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Are you boycotting RDR2 because of the misrepresented 100 hours 'controversy'?

Are you boycotting Red Dead Redemption 2?

  • Yes, I am

    Votes: 36 6.9%
  • No, I am not

    Votes: 472 90.4%
  • undecided

    Votes: 14 2.7%

  • Total voters
    522

Mister Apoc

Demigod of Troll Threads
after the recent labor story and the "100 hour weekends" some gamers have mentioned that they are boycotting Rockstar and will not be purchasing Red Dead Redemption 2 citing a moral dilemma

how about you, has this story changed your plans, will you be boycotting Red Dead 2?
 

Iaterain

Member
after the recent labor story and the "100 hour weekends" some gamers have mentioned that they are boycotting Rockstar and will not be purchasing Red Dead Redemption 2 citing a moral dilemma

how about you, has this story changed your plans, will you be boycotting Red Dead 2?

Nobody is boycotting it. Those people were working very hard, because they knew that the reward will worth it.
 

Vawn

Banned
Oops I voted wrong. Your poll is confusing. The thread is "Are you boycotting RDR2?" and right under that the question is "Are you still buying RDR2?".

It should also be noted you can both not buy RDR 2 and not boycott it either. My mom, for example, isnt boycotting it, but she's also not buying it (or knows it exists for that matter).
 
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Teletraan1

Banned
I am boycotting until the PC version comes out. If I boycotted every company that treated employees like garbage I wouldn't be able to post this message and I would be naked.
 
Oops I voted wrong. Your poll is confusing. The thread is "Are you boycotting RDR2?" and right under that the question is "Are you still buying RDR2?".

It should also be noted you can both not buy RDR 2 and not boycott it either. My mom, for example, isnt boycotting it, but she's also not buying it (or knows it exists for that matter).

Oh wow I totally voted wrong as well...

Also source OP?
 

Joe T.

Member
A little clarification some may have missed via Kotaku or Gamesindustry.biz:

In response to concerns, Houser provided a reply to Kotaku in which he endeavored to clarify that the 100-hour weeks were limited to the four-person senior writing team (including himself) and only took place over three weeks. He goes on to note that some employees can and do opt to "work very hard" at the company, but added, "No one, senior or junior, is ever forced to work hard."

As is often the case, his comments were exaggerated. I don't personally see any reason to boycott them over poor working conditions because once you take that step you're going to find yourself boycotting a huge portion of the games on the market.
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
I'll just quote myself from the other thread so that we can get the moralizing over with:

Passion begets excellence. There is one problem and one problem only: games are too "produced" (which means the teams are too big and they take too long to develop). A random cog in the machine may kill themselves for 14 hours a day and invest as much "passion" as they possibly can, but it will almost never end up in the final product since everything is decided by consensus and market research. When you have small teams, passion translates directly into actionable ideas and adjustments. When you have huge teams full of remote workers and temps, passion means nothing.

In Stones of Venice, Ruskin talks about how we should not encourage the manufacture of cookie-cutter, mass-produced products of artistry (oh! Like a modern Ubisoft game?) because it devalues the worker and cheapens the art:

For instance. Glass beads are utterly unnecessary, and there is no design or thought employed in their manufacture. They are formed by first drawing out the glass into rods; these rods are copped up into fragments of the size of beads by the human hand, and the fragments are then rounded in the furnace. The men who chop up the rods sit at their work all day, their hands vibrating with a perpetual and exquisitely timed palsy, and the beads dropping beneath their vibration like hail.
Neither they, nor the men who draw out the rods or fuse the fragments. have the smallest occasion for the use of any single human faculty; and every young lady, therefore, who buys glass beads is engaged in the slave-trade, and in a much more cruel one than that which we have so long been endeavoring to put down.
But glass cups and vessels may become the subjects of exquisite intention; and if in buying these we pay for the invention, that is to say, for the beautiful form, or colour, or engraving, and not for mere finish or execution, we are doing good to humanity.


It's as if videogame developers are finally waking up to the uncaring reality of corporate work.
 

McCheese

Member
My guess is you do it once to get your name in a Rockstar game's credits, then send your CV out before the next crunch hits. I feel far worse or folks who pull similar hours working on lesser titles. I used to know one of the 3 coders who worked on those vtech games, and even they had crazy crunch periods to get a licenced spongebob game out, before it had to go into manufacturing for the Christmas period.
 
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Lol. I see what you did there with switching up the poll question from thread title. That's some AAA level trolling. Did it take you 100 hours this week to accomplish that?
 
Nope I live in a world where you work to eat. I’ve worked 12 hour shifts and I’ve worked 24 hour shifts. I didn’t read the story but as long as they are getting compensated I don’t see an issue. If they are not being paid fairly then I may have a problem, but they chose to work there. Why the bait and switch OP?
 
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Of course not. Those people are not slaves. They always have the choice to leave.

Also, it was only four people, the lead writers, including Houser himself. Maybe they are just very dedicated to their work.

EDIT: EVERYBODY, THE POLL IS WRONG. At first the op had the question "will you boycott red dead 2" and then changed it to "will you buy red dead 2" so the votes actually favour getting the game.
 
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TheShocker

Member
No. No one boycotts shit when I work more than 40 hours a week. If people read the follow on interview they would know it was limited in scope and voluntary.
 

sol_bad

Member
Boycotting the game as a consumer is pointless. The people that work within the industry need to take a stand and make changes happen.

I voted wrong too. I am not boycotting the game.
 
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Grimmrobe

Member
we should not encourage the manufacture of cookie-cutter, mass-produced products of artistry (oh! Like a modern Ubisoft game?) because it devalues the worker and cheapens the art:

So how come Ubisoft makes some of the best games every year?

https://culture.vg/reviews/awards/game-of-the-year.html

I am not buying your theory. It smacks of communism and hipsterism and pseudo-intellectualism.

If a director is good, he can command 2000 people (Kojima, et al), and make them coordinate to produce his exact passionate vision. If a director is crap ("indie" directors) they could be working alone in full control of the work, and still turn out 20,000 pieces of rubbish on Steam.

Ubisoft 4evar. Best developer/publisher working today.
 
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8 to 2 in favor of boycott
No your poll is messed up because you ask one question in the thread title and then ask a different question in your poll...
Oops I voted wrong. Your poll is confusing. The thread is "Are you boycotting RDR2?" and right under that the question is "Are you still buying RDR2?".

It should also be noted you can both not buy RDR 2 and not boycott it either. My mom, for example, isnt boycotting it, but she's also not buying it (or knows it exists for that matter).
I did the same thing... OP may have done it on purpose.

I think that if you're going to boycott RDR2 then you shouldn't play video games. Not that the practice is good, but it is very common for devs to put in a lot of hours. Plus, why take a project that devs put a lot of hard work into and then snub it? Devs do have the choice to walk away from the business if they don't like the grueling environment. I think we should let devs make those decisions for themselves on not punish their efforts, especially when having a job is a good thing. Let's not boycott a game in which we don't even know the true nature of what went on. That's just social justice warrior crap.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
Heavens no. The people who make the most in my field of work- work 100 hours a week. Sometimes they're up till 4 AM in the morning. They also get paid more. They work more hours than I do and they chose the job.

I feel bad for game designers. Hell, I think these people are more talented than Leonardo da Vinci and Pablo Picasso. Yet, why do they (Rockstar) have so much money? Why do they sell billions of copies and people still work for them?

That's a lot of guilt for someone who gets paid to design a game. How many kids did I sit in tech school with complain about the smallest of details? Are those people working for Rockstar? If so than I can see why we get so many complaints. Those kids complained about anything and everything. lol

No I don't want to boycott Rockstar or Red Dead Redemption 2. I have already given them money for the Ultimate Edition. Yeah, I'm happy I did. I'm a consumer who wants to enjoy their game. I can only give them my money. A better question is: How many reviewers returned their copy? Did they send a note that said, "this is because of a labor dispute?". They'll gladly witness this 7 year-multi million dollar video game then write their "labor issues" article later on.
 
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drotahorror

Member
Oops I voted wrong. Your poll is confusing. The thread is "Are you boycotting RDR2?" and right under that the question is "Are you still buying RDR2?".

It should also be noted you can both not buy RDR 2 and not boycott it either. My mom, for example, isnt boycotting it, but she's also not buying it (or knows it exists for that matter).

Yeah I voted the wrong one. Why would someone change the question of the poll?
 

Pallas

Member
Seems the 100 hour work week was only a few of the writers, including the main guy himself. I don’t know when I’ll buy it but if I don’t get it right away it probably won’t be from a boycott, and I highly doubt any boycott could significantly damage sales.
 

bitbydeath

Member
Hahaha, no.

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If you boycott this game then you should boycott every game.
Crunch is standard in the industry and many industries really.
On top of that you'd be doing the devs a disservice who worked really hard on putting in the extra hours.
 

drotahorror

Member
8 to 2 in favor of boycott

The fact that you actually believe this.

Why the fuck would you ask a question and have a poll on it, then change the actual question of the poll in the topic?

If you were going to purchase RDR2 and you no longer are due to the hours people worked, then you're just hurting/disrespecting the time people put into the game. You can't really show with your wallet how much you don't like this practice.
 

120v

Member
my armchair impression is that work sucks period and it's mostly unfair and you get short changed. for every R* story there's millions others. if this can be a siren's call for the industry great but i don't think sitting out on RDR2 a few weeks from now will do anything about that
 

Dargor

Member
Of course not. How can you even think thats a smart idea in the first place? If the game doesn't sell well enough these people probably won't have to worry about working 100 hours a week, they'll have to worry about finding a job.
 
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Nymphae

Banned
Yeah I voted wrong nice poll OP

Edit: I mean, my mistake at the end of the day lol, but come on, you're begging for incorrect votes with a thread title/poll question set up the way you did it.
 
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Dargor

Member
Man, how low can you go when you troll your own poll lol

edit: fuck, it rimed "pie_tears_joy:
 
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Keylime

Spoiler Tag Abuser
Fixed the poll to match the OP's thread title and erased all the old votes.

Vote again if so please.

:messenger_heart:
 

MayauMiao

Member
after the recent labor story and the "100 hour weekends" some gamers have mentioned that they are boycotting Rockstar and will not be purchasing Red Dead Redemption 2 citing a moral dilemma

how about you, has this story changed your plans, will you be boycotting Red Dead 2?

Nope. Will still buy. Hopefully my money will end up being their bonus.
 

Hanon

Banned
i mean, if you feel bad for the dev's hours of working on the fucking game from crunch. then SUPPORT THEM BY BUYING THE GAME! if you were interested in the game in the first place.
 
I'd buy two copies if I had a job at rockstar where I could work 100hrs and roll around in all the money I made in OT or benefits in addition to my immense salary.
 

DonF

Member
I can't wait to play it, but my wallet is boycotting it. I don't have the budget right now so I'll have to wait. Knowing rockstar, it's going to be $60 for like 2 years so I'm fucked.
 

Elenchus

Banned
This is exactly the kind of bullshit I rail against on this forum. A coordinated smear campaign against a game by certain individuals just because that game is likely to snatch GOTY from some other games. Are we really doing this? This entire thread should be locked. Already preordered the game so afraid your propaganda reached me too late. Never change GAF.
 

Vawn

Banned
This is exactly the kind of bullshit I rail against on this forum. A coordinated smear campaign against a game by certain individuals just because that game is likely to snatch GOTY from some other games. Are we really doing this? This entire thread should be locked. Already preordered the game so afraid your propaganda reached me too late. Never change GAF.

Too late. GAF did change. Did you actually read the responses to the OP?

I imagine the reaction would be quite different on the other site consisting of ex-GAF SJWs.
 

lvl8

Member
Lol boycott. I won't be getting it for a while though. I'll wait a few months for the price to drop and the bugs patched.
 

KellyNole

Member
I would never boycott something where people have the option to leave anytime they want. If they do not like it stop working there.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Easy to boycott something I wasn't planning on buying anyway.

Come at me bro
 

DavidGzz

Member
Not boycotting. What's the next thing we are going to freak out about? Like someone else said, if we boycotted everything that involved suffering of some sort I'd be an amish naked hippie vegan.
 
This is exactly the kind of bullshit I rail against on this forum. A coordinated smear campaign against a game by certain individuals just because that game is likely to snatch GOTY from some other games. Are we really doing this? This entire thread should be locked. Already preordered the game so afraid your propaganda reached me too late. Never change GAF.
You appear to have significant mind-reading skills.
 
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