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[THE:MILKMAN]

Another day gone without an update. Going to assume Osiris doesn't have anything now. Oh well.

 

[mckmas8808]

Another day gone without an update. Going to assume Osiris doesn't have anything now. Oh well.

Basically.

 

[NeroDaGod]

I'm not very technical so apologies in advance for my ignorance but could someone ELI5 why the leaked specs highlighted in the OP (regardless if they're fake or not) would/wouldn't make PS5 a good console/considerable leap in tech?

 

[DiddyInAHellcat]

This is just a matter of opinion.

I had a dreamcast. Never looked at the VMU while playing. Don't see any advantage to it compared to just pressing a button and/or seeing that information on my tv. It costs money, it makes the controller more fragile, more expensive and drains the battery faster. So, in my opinion, it is not worth it.

That's just my opinion. If you think it is worth it, ok. Agree to disagree.

I had a Dreamcast as well . And I totally agree I never looked at the vmu either. I think if sony wanted to add a screen it should be something like the switch imo

 

[SonGoku]

https://wccftech.com/amds-david-wan...-dxr-until-its-offered-in-all-product-ranges/

AMD Won’t Implement DirectX RayTracing (DXR) In Games Until Its Offered In All (Gaming) Product Ranges

The biggest implication I can think of is that future consoles like the PS5, which are always based on AMD tech, will probably not be supporting DXR either.

YES! as immature as it is rtx is a waste of sillicon budget for consoles, the best use of silicon budget is to cram as many traditional raster units as possible

At 7nm 14TF is no longer a pipedream

EDIT: What does Until Its Offered In All (Gaming) Product Ranges even mean? Its so ambigious, they could very well support rtx on all product ranges with their next arch lol

 

[DiddyInAHellcat]

YES! as immature as it is rtx is a waste of sillicon budget for consoles, the best use of silicon budget is to cram as many traditional raster units as possible

At 7nm 14TF is no longer a pipedream

How isn't 14TF not a pipeline dream . I'm kinda of lost can you please explain thanks

 

[Imtjnotu]

How isn't 14TF not a pipeline dream . I'm kinda of lost can you please explain thanks

its a strech. i wouldnt say pipe dream.

 

[SonGoku]

How isn't 14TF not a pipeline dream . I'm kinda of lost can you please explain thanks

Because at 7nm assuming Navi is post gnc (so no longer 64 cu limit) they could make a 14tf chip the size of the X, if all silicon is used for raster units unlike turing

its a strech. i wouldnt say pipe dream.

Yep, depending of how power efficient their next arch is
Chip size for a 14tf GPU won't be a problem at 7nm, the main obstacle will be power consumption

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Longest. Shift. Ever.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Longest. Shift. Ever.

Maybe he works for Rockstar?

 

[onQ123]

Longest. Shift. Ever.

He is Proud Mary working for the man night & day

 

[David Ricardo]

I had a Dreamcast as well . And I totally agree I never looked at the vmu either. I think if sony wanted to add a screen it should be something like the switch imo

Actually that would be more like the Wii U. You can't use the Switch's screen while playing on a TV.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Maybe he works for Rockstar?

hold this W you ass

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[Pallas]

Project Epiloson sounds more like a dev kit tbh. I don’t see how that console gets made for the consumer market at an affordable price.

 

[Toe-Knee]

YES! as immature as it is rtx is a waste of sillicon budget for consoles, the best use of silicon budget is to cram as many traditional raster units as possible

At 7nm 14TF is no longer a pipedream

EDIT: What does Until Its Offered In All (Gaming) Product Ranges even mean? Its so ambigious, they could very well support rtx on all product ranges with their next arch lol

It means until they can also offer it on their absolute budget cards too and still have playable games.

So 10 years or so

 

[Dontero]

That's only if you're throwing old ideas at new problems. I'm welling to bet that raytracing hardware is going to be cheap & all in phones & tablets in the next few years.

You bet would be wrong because what nvidia did was not to use normal gpu but to combine GPU + tensor cores (for AI) + raytracer cores (for only raytracing) on one chip.

No way phones will get raytracing in next 5-10 years. TOP end hardware today gets slashed framerate in half and it is using separate hardware instead of only gpu.

 

[demigod]

I believe in you Osiris, don’t leave me hangin!

 

[CuNi]

I believe in you Osiris, don’t leave me hangin!

He probably got caught and now has to find the girl to wipe away his debt..

 

[Nizz]

So, with these supposed specs is it possible we can get games that look like say Far Cry 5 running at 60fps? With those possible specs will there be enough overhead for games to run at 60fps with no issues.

Don't know if what I'm trying to ask is making any sense but...

 

[David Ricardo]

So, with these supposed specs is it possible we can get games that look like say Far Cry 5 running at 60fps? With those possible specs will there be enough overhead for games to run at 60fps with no issues.

Don't know if what I'm trying to ask is making any sense but...

All previous gen games that run 30fps on jaguar can run at 60 on zen. The thing is developers are going to still choose graphics before perfomance on games, so I expect we will still get plenty of 30fps games next gen. And every other gen after that.

 

[TLZ]

I believe in you Osiris, don’t leave me hangin!

I'm afraid we're going to have to wait a very long time

 

[llien]

Until Its Offered In All (Gaming) Product Ranges even mean?

2080Ti struggles at 1080p with RTX on.
Imagine how that works on xx60 tier of cards.

 

[Foxbat]

Anyone still believing this guy is a legit leaker is setting themselves up for disappointment.

If he had anything, he would've said so by now.

 

[TeamGhobad]

if navi is ps5 exclusive since sony is funding it. its possible nexbox might go with an intel cpu+gpu

 

[Bani]

I don't know what a new generation console is if the same won't be at least 4 times stronger than the previous one, and that's why I expect some pretty good specs for PS 5 and for the Xbox even better so this leak of 32 GB of memory makes me quite convincing and 15 Tf graphic card , why not

 

[mrMUR_96]

so fake, how would dlss support be possible? It's an nvidia developed and owned technology. Post process for msaa? that's not how it works at all.

 

[Bani]

TeamGhobad @ ,if navi is ps5 exclusive since sony is funding it. its possible nexbox might go with an intel cpu+gpu

Huu,anything is possible, though hard to believe.

 

[TLZ]

if navi is ps5 exclusive since sony is funding it. its possible nexbox might go with an intel cpu+gpu

Isn't Intel much more expensive?

I don't know what a new generation console is if the same won't be at least 4 times stronger than the previous one, and that's why I expect some pretty good specs for PS 5 and for the Xbox even better so this leak of 32 GB of memory makes me quite convincing and 15 Tf graphic card , why not

Depends if you mean 4 times more powerful than base PS4 or Pro?

 

[Bani]

Isn't Intel much more expensive?


Depends if you mean 4 times more powerful than base PS4 or Pro?

PRO,Xbox X is 4 times stronger than Xbox One, meaning, why not

 

[TLZ]

PRO,Xbox X is 4 times stronger than Xbox One, meaning, why not

Well.. that's a lot of teraflops. Almost 17.

 

[TeamGhobad]

Isn't Intel much more expensive?

im sure MS will get a good price, especially when intel is keen on getting into the GPU space.

 

[boutrosinit]

Looks like bollocks.

 

[mckmas8808]

PRO,Xbox X is 4 times stronger than Xbox One, meaning, why not

Because that's not how technology works my dude. MS under engineered the Xbox One X. The 1.3 TFs was super disappointing, but you have to remember that the Kinect came with EVERY Xbox One in 2013 so the money on a better GPU just wasn't there. Now, 4 years later, the Xbox X comes out at $500 (instead of $400) with no Kinect.

So you are doing an unfair comparison on what's possible.

 

[Bani]

Because that's not how technology works my dude. MS under engineered the Xbox One X. The 1.3 TFs was super disappointing, but you have to remember that the Kinect came with EVERY Xbox One in 2013 so the money on a better GPU just wasn't there. Now, 4 years later, the Xbox X comes out at $500 (instead of $400) with no Kinect.

So you are doing an unfair comparison on what's possible.

I don't understand what's not fair, expect a new generation console 4 times stronger than the pro and Xbox X, all is fair to me it would not be OK if PS5 was just a few Tf stronger than Xbox X, for example 10 or 11 Tf, I mean why the new generation then, and more will sell them at a price of $500 maybe more this time.....

 

[bhunachicken]

I could see Sony popping in 2-4GB of RAM just for the OS, so that 16GB RAM could be available to devs from day one. They popped a 1GB RAM chip into the Pro for exclusive use by the OS, so doing something similar in the PS5 wouldn't be unthinkable.

 

[Toe-Knee]

I don't understand what's not fair, expect a new generation console 4 times stronger than the pro and Xbox X, all is fair to me it would not be OK if PS5 was just a few Tf stronger than Xbox X, for example 10 or 11 Tf, I mean why the new generation then, and more will sell them at a price of $500 maybe more this time.....

Because the pro and x is something less than 5% have.

4x the base console sure.

Then again even the pro and x would be far more impressive with better cpus and memory bandwidth

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't understand what's not fair, expect a new generation console 4 times stronger than the pro and Xbox X, all is fair to me it would not be OK if PS5 was just a few Tf stronger than Xbox X, for example 10 or 11 Tf, I mean why the new generation then, and more will sell them at a price of $500 maybe more this time.....

Because it's not just about TFs alone. You not thinking about the CPU change, extra RAM, new silicon that can do newer technics, memory bandwidth, etc.

 

[demented waffle]

Because it's not just about TFs alone. You not thinking about the CPU change, extra RAM, new silicon that can do newer technics, memory bandwidth, etc.

Comparing flops between gpus is stupid anyways, unless they're very similar.

This will be a different arch and will have more bandwith/memory anyways. It's pointless.

 

[Bani]

4x the base console sure.

Then again even the pro and x would be far more impressive with better cpus and memory bandwidth

I think the CPU has nothing to do with graphics, if you thought impressively under the graphic details, maybe a little better fps, but the graphic does not

I don't understand what this means 4x base console, please clarify

 

[Meowzers]

Now I have Xbox X I'm happy until 2020-2021. The longer the wait surely means It'll be more of a beast.

 

[Bani]

Because it's not just about TFs alone. You not thinking about the CPU change, extra RAM, new silicon that can do newer technics, memory bandwidth, etc.

The technique of anything implies power, that is so at hardwer, how you optimize for all this depends only on the ability of the programmers, so for everything is worth a minimum of 4x, especially Tf for graphics, I think it doesn't work differently, whatever technology it is behind

 

[demented waffle]

The technique of anything implies power, that is so at hardwer, how you optimize for all this depends only on the ability of the programmers, so for everything is worth a minimum of 4x, especially Tf for graphics, I think it doesn't work differently, whatever technology it is behind

No. X1X only had a 1.8 tf advantage. Now look at the resolutions between the 2.

It's not the shader/clock, it's the extra memory and bandwith that give them that major advantage.

Not too mention the compression they use.

 

[Noctis114]

Hope that the PS5's rumoured zen2 CPU is powerful enough to give us a huge performance over the current Jaguar architecture, such as better physics, more destruction, complicated AI and especially more NPC characters in an open world game. Something Ubisoft wanted to do with AC: Unity but couldn't due to the limitations of the Jaguar CPU yet CD Project Red is looking to do in CP 2077.

This is what a next gen console improvements feels to me rather than just better looking games then the predecessor, the Jaguar processor has always been the Achilles heel to the 8th generation.

 

[Toe-Knee]

I think the CPU has nothing to do with graphics, if you thought impressively under the graphic details, maybe a little better fps, but the graphic does not

I don't understand what this means 4x base console, please clarify

4x ps4, xbox one is what we should expect. That's a realistic jump. So 8tf minimum.

The cpu determines how many gpu calls can be done the better the cpu the better the gpu can perform. Currently the cpu is a good bottleneck for the existing systems.

Things such as transparency, reflections, smoke & shadows can be very cpu intensive.

After that we go on to geometry and world density both would see an uptick in quality with better cpus & memory bandwidth.

The crowds in ac unity are a good example the Xbox one handled them better due to its minor cpu clock difference despite having a worse gpu

 

[Bani]

No. X1X only had a 1.8 tf advantage. Now look at the resolutions between the 2.

It's not the shader/clock, it's the extra memory and bandwith that give them that major advantage.

Not too mention the compression they use.

I'm talking about technology that's available or will be until the next gen console release, so if PS 5 does not be a 15 Tf for me it will be a disappointment because I think this is some minimum for a console that will handle the next gen prefix and everything else to follow these 15 Tf from CPU to memory and everything else, that's it from me

 

[demented waffle]

I'm talking about technology that's available or will be until the next gen console release, so if PS 5 does not be a 15 Tf for me it will be a disappointment because I think this is some minimum for a console that will handle the next gen prefix and everything else to follow these 15 Tf from CPU to memory and everything else, that's it from me

But the tech changes. Maxwell was a major upgrade from Kepler on the same node.

 

[mckmas8808]

Now I have Xbox X I'm happy until 2020-2021. The longer the wait surely means It'll be more of a beast.

Except the Xbox One X is restricted to what the Xbox One Poor can do so now what?......

The technique of anything implies power, that is so at hardwer, how you optimize for all this depends only on the ability of the programmers, so for everything is worth a minimum of 4x, especially Tf for graphics, I think it doesn't work differently, whatever technology it is behind

No it doesn't. You don't know what you are talking about. I think you need to do more reading on the subject. The PS5 does not need to be 4x more powerful than the Xbox One X to be next gen.

 

[Redneckerz]

I'm inclined to believe this more than anything else right now......Colors, fonts etc...seem similar to that PRO document that was leaked before PRO went primetime....Looks a bit more authentic overall and specs seems more inline with what I expect from a PS5......The caveat being it's still preliminary, so I expect a boost in TF count from the GPU....

...You can literally see where text is edited and bolded which looks amateurish and suggests that the document format is from the previous PlayStation and edited to appear as if it is talking about the new console. This isn't even a case of oh you are just seeing things - the edits are clearly there.

This in fact makes it look less authentic and if you ought to believe that, then you aren't looking the visual make up. Come on.

I think bandwidth is important, depending on the speed they use, this 32 GB setup can probably hit 1152 GB/s,

You can't just say ''Depending on the speed they use'' and then list a number that i have no way of verifying from.

Yes, I want pretty visuals with 4k textures across the board, higher rez effects, better Ai, larger worlds, better physics, but I don't want these things taking a decade to load in.....32Gb, SSD, lots of bandwidth is the way to go...

Sony really does not care what you or me want from this hardware. They listen to their own teams and to the bigger game studios in the industry, along with AMD.

I'm not very technical so apologies in advance for my ignorance but could someone ELI5 why the leaked specs highlighted in the OP (regardless if they're fake or not) would/wouldn't make PS5 a good console/considerable leap in tech?

It would make a good leap in terms of CPU first and formost. GPU wise it would be more modern and effective, but i would disregard the raytracing part for now.

so fake, how would dlss support be possible? It's an nvidia developed and owned technology. Post process for msaa? that's not how it works at all.

That does not mean AMD can create something similar though, although i doubt it would carry the same name.

I think the CPU has nothing to do with graphics, if you thought impressively under the graphic details, maybe a little better fps, but the graphic does not

I don't understand what this means 4x base console, please clarify

Ehhh, i think i understand why you are saying this but things aren't as easy as is said here.

I'm talking about technology that's available or will be until the next gen console release, so if PS 5 does not be a 15 Tf for me it will be a disappointment because I think this is some minimum for a console that will handle the next gen prefix and everything else to follow these 15 Tf from CPU to memory and everything else, that's it from me

TeraFLOPS are a terrible metric to gauge a console's performance. What it is about:

• How effective the console is in terms of wattage
• How open or restrictive the console is in terms of API. Are there low-level API's? Is there assembly access? Are their hidden tricks in there or good design choices?
• How easy the SDK and devkits are
• How industry companies react to these.

These are far more crucial towards a next-gen console than a fixed level of TF.

 

[Bani]

Except the Xbox One X is restricted to what the Xbox One Poor can do so now what?......



No it doesn't. You don't know what you are talking about. I think you need to do more reading on the subject. The PS5 does not need to be 4x more powerful than the Xbox One X to be next gen.

Okay, if you say so, but all I know is that with 2 GB of memory, you can't get as much data as you can through 8 GB, or maybe I'm missing something.