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[Papa]

I find it pretty easy to not get banned, all you gotta do is not be a piece of shit.

Not to say I haven't been banned before. But when I was, I knew it was coming. lol

Define piece of shit.

 

[Guiberu]

The very poster I was replying to. States they are convinced "most moderators and a large portion of users in that site are transgenders," after first stating "i'd rather cut both my balls off than go back to Resetera tbh. fuck that POS echo chamber "

No hostility towards trans people there!

An assessment/opinion [that there is large percentage of transgender moderators].

A separate, qualified critique/opinion of there being an "echo chamber".

So no, I don't think there is actually any active hostility toward trans people there. Only toward echo chambers.

 

[Dunki]

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

Can I ask where? If they are used they are used in the context on how to deal with it etc. But never as a slur or personal or racial attack

 

[Trojita]

Man, I don't know how you skate under the radar so often.
I thought for sure you were going to get dogpiled for posting photos of ariana grande.

Senpai never notices me.

 

[Stat Flow]

Damnnnnn I haven't logged in in a while but the new GAF looks fucking slick as hell

 

[HeadsUp7Up]

Haha. I don’t remember the specifics. But the ban reason was like “making a post in a thread and then not answering peoples responses to you and posting elsewhere”. I didn’t feel like responding at that moment.

That can’t be real! I saw another one other day just as ridiculous.

In the spirit of the thread I have accounts on and visit both. I rarely post on either but am more active here. I rarely posted here before because everything moved so fast and I didn’t want to contribute to all of the noise. Since things are slower I’m more willing to participate and engage in threads.

 

[Papa]

Yeah they bought that theme I believe from themehouse, as they kicked all of their designers off lol.

Looool

Weren’t you one of their designers before you had a little bit too much to think and they unpersoned you?

 

[dorkimoe]

That can’t be real! I saw another one other day just as ridiculous.

In the spirit of the thread I have accounts on and visit both. I rarely post on either but am more active here. I rarely posted here before because everything moved so fast and I didn’t want to contribute to all of the noise. Since things are slower I’m more willing to participate and engage in threads.

Haha it’s real. I might have screenshotted it. There was a worse one than that.

Someone made a thread “what’s the worst thing you’ve done at work”. And someone told a story about calling a woman a bitch. Got banned for it. Lol. He was answering the OP. He never said it was right.

 

[Papa]

Y'all just need to be better about shitposting.

Not that you should stop, you just need to be better at it.

Ideologue alert.

Y’all hate the South so much, why do you appropriate their vernacular?

 

[telasoman]

I can fully see the people who run Resetera coming here and banning people for what they say here from over there if they can find the same username between the two.

I find GAF to be more rational in terms of conversation, but I do like the community involvement in certain games that are now lacking here.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Looks like Era is back up, for those that care.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Damnnnnn I haven't logged in in a while but the new GAF looks fucking slick as hell

And work is constantly being done to improve the look and feel by the moderation team!

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I can fully see the people who run Resetera coming here and banning people for what they say here from over there if they can find the same username between the two.

I find GAF to be more rational in terms of conversation, but I do like the community involvement in certain games that are now lacking here.

Not sure they go that far but they have extended bans or turned them into perms for complaining about them offsite.

 

[Kagey K]

I have to say that after seeing the issues they are having with the migration there, that what Gromph did here with the migration was simply magical. It was virtually seamless. I browsed GAF for a while, put it down for an hour and with no heads up or warning boom brand new site.

Really shows how far ahead the technical team is here. Great job again on that guys.

 

[molnizzle]

Yes Era it's definitely not a vacuum, the mods are bastions of freedom of speech. Do they? Why? Who says? Some women dislike them sure, but just has many love them. That's also a nice of saying if you don't agree with our vies you're promoting the patriarchy and are a bigot/racist/literal Nazi (As opposed to metaphorical Nazis)

Obviously there are women who love the designs. That doesn't make the designs less harmful.

Now that Era is back up, I can quote this legendary mod response to a user (who wasn't banned, btw) arguing that he likes sexualization because he just likes the designs, and the better solution would be to have more male sexualization to even the score, instead of less female sexualization. I've italized the remarks by the initial poster.

As someone who highly values logic and truth, I personally find it extremely difficult to argue with anything Finale Fireworker is saying here.



Jaibamon said:
That being said, my solution to the issue is:

• Sexualize men and women on the same level. If there is a bikini armor for women, men should be able to wear it too. This can be an issue with games where the player can only play as one gender, but I hope that there would be enough games from both with the same amount of sexualization.
• If you find a game that doesn't suit you well, accept that maybe, you aren't the target market. If one or two things of the game aren't of your liking, be more tolerant and try to enjoy the game regardless. Consider that you may not be the only one feeling like that, and those who are comfortable by playing this game may have to be like you when they play the next one.

This is not a solution to the issue. This doesn't acknowledge or remedy the issue in any capacity whatsoever.

Most major visual industries (gaming, television, and cinema) are male-dominated industries. This pertains to both who is creating the media (where men are writing, directing, and designing the content) and who the media is created for (male consumption and point of view). Most media is written by men, for men, and media meant for women has historically been regarded as its own genre (the "chick flick", so to speak). This means that the male point of view is the dominant, neutral, point of reference. In this sense, women must learn to appreciate art on men's terms or create their own art. When they do create their own art, it is often underappreciated or relegated to genre because a woman's point of view is often not taken seriously.

What this means in reference to your statement above is that most media produced is going to be produced by men, for men, and because of the sexism most men have internalized, their art is going to either exclude women entirely or make them sex objects. Some male creators won't even think to include women in their stories because male critics and audiences will laud them anyway (just look at Martin Scorsese). Because their media is consumed principally by male audiences they will not be challenged on the fact their media contains virtually no women at all. This is because - again - a female perspective is niche and not important. What you get instead is an extremely narrow male perspective on what women are or should be.

Comfortable people don't complain and men are not usually the ones made uncomfortable. If they are, they have other options, because media has prioritized them for thousands upon thousands of years. Women do not have these same options. Men are depicted differently across every genre and medium and never are men at a shortage of ways to see themselves depicted. Women do not have this luxury and never have.

In most media, women are either victimized (murdered as an inciting incident, or kidnapped if you want to be generous) or idealized (sexy eye candy who pine for the main character or tease the male viewer with sex appeal). Rarely have women been portrayed with any depth, realism, or meaning other than how in danger or how hot they are. This means women do not have other options to choose when they find a sexualized depiction distasteful.

Sexualizing men does not improve the status quo of how women are depicted in media. It ignores the problem completely. This flawed sense of pragmatism doesn't do anything to improve media inclusivity. You are proposing a solution that nobody asked for to a problem you are not acknowledging.

Because the truth is: if women had as many options to choose from as men did, this thread would not exist.

Depiction of women in general has gotten better over the last decade. In gaming, inclusivity picked up steam in the wake of eye-opening hate movements like GamerGate. The situation is improving, but it isn't fixed, and it hasn't just improved automatically. It improved because a lot of women complained. It improved because some men listened. It improved because people realized broader and healthier depictions of all types of people is a moral compulsion that should be satisfied and, if nothing else, is good for business. Ten years ago, if women's complaints for how they were represented in media was answered with "increasing male sexualization" literally none of their concerns would have been addressed and we would not be where we are today.

Furthermore, the cop-out that sexualizing men somehow makes sexualizing women better doesn't do anything to make media more appealing to women. Most women, and most men for that matter, do not pick and choose the games they like to play based on how hot the main character is and how often their ass is on-screen. Sexualized female characters in male-dominated stories are a symptom of unaccommodating male authorship that doesn't care if it makes women uncomfortable. Introducing more hot men doesn't challenge men to write more compelling female characters and doesn't do anything to address how the content they've created has made women feel unwelcome.

If this was an industry full of female writers, designers, and directors, we wouldn't need to have this conversation at all. But this is a slow status quo to change and happens from the ground-up. Asking for better representation in the meantime is change from the top-down because men already in positions of control have the opportunity to take some responsibility and produce content people other than heteronormative white men are asking for.

Jaibamon said:
It's just like violent games; they are made for adults. And we, as adults, can know the difference between reality and fiction, and can understand that these are fantasy bodies wearing fantasy outfits just for the sake of looking good.
In all of human creation, there is no more powerful or influential tool than man-made media. Media is the foundation for every human religion, over which wars are waged and millions of people murdered. Media is the basis for all of advertising, the cornerstone of commerce through which entire corporate empires are built. Media is the vehicle for propaganda, for every day social correspondence between humans, for bringing news and information and ideas. Media is a uniquely human creation through which all of humanity is influenced and defined. Human existence as you know it would not exist without media. This is precisely because humans have mastered media as a means of conveying messages, consciously or unconsciously, directly or indirectly, and other humans have listened.

In all of human creation, there is no more powerful or influential tool than man-made media. Media is the foundation for every human religion, over which wars are waged and millions of people murdered. Media is the basis for all of advertising, the cornerstone of commerce through which entire corporate empires are built. Media is the vehicle for propaganda, for every day social correspondence between humans, for bringing news and information and ideas. Media is a uniquely human creation through which all of humanity is influenced and defined. Human existence as you know it would not exist without media. This is precisely because humans have mastered media as a means of conveying messages, consciously or unconsciously, directly or indirectly, and other humans have listened.

How things are portrayed in media affects the way you recognize that same stimulus elsewhere. Seeing a commercial can make you want to buy something. Seeing a recruitment poster can make you want to join the army. A single movie can change the way an entire country of people perceive themselves. This is called The Godfather Effect. There is a reason the US Military and the Pentagon spend millions of dollars and lend equipment and expertise to Hollywood movies that depict the American Armed Forces in a flattering light. Media matters. Media makes a difference. Media shapes people and how they see the world - including other people.

People like to think they are smarter than their media. They like to think they decide what does and doesn't affect them. Certain people consume media more consciously than others by recognizing its faults and its dangers. They mitigate some of the conditioning by simply staying aware of the media they're viewing. But most people don't. Most people plug media directly in to their brain holes and don't think about it. They know they enjoy it and that's all that matters.

Seeing women only depicted as idealistic or endangered sex objects both reflects societal prejudices against women and also reinforces them. It fortifies the point of reference through which people relate to other people because the way your brain reacts to things is automatic. If you've been conditioned to see women as toys or dolls or objects through the media you consume you will continue to do so in the real world.

The comparison to violence is pointless. In your long life, it is highly unlikely you will ever pick up a gun and go on a killing spree. Humans are not born with guns and don't possess the natural impulse to go on a spree killing. This is not a biological function. It's not a basic human experience that happens automatically. But for most humans, sex is, and in your long life you will definitely see and speak to women. How you perceive women, and what you've been conditioned to think women are like and want, is going to affect how you interact with them and how you treat them.

Example: You have been influenced to think the answer to women's media problems are more hot men because your own media experience has taught you that it's a good thing that you like, so women must too. You assume women have as many options that you do and suggest they just play something else if they don't like it. But the point of this thread is to help you understand how people outside your personal experience might feel and what they might want out of their media. Instead, you are trying to give them what you think you would want.

As men, you and I already have everything we could want out of media. We have nothing to gain by denying others that same opportunity. I hope you realize that giving people more of what they like doesn't mean less of what you like. What you like does not need to be defended or preserved. It's not going anywhere. A lesson I wish more men would learn before they approach this thread is that it isn't about you.

 

[Papa]

Note the Ban Justice Project:

Give this thread a read, please:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/neogaf-ban-review-justice-project-off-topic-edition.1463407/

We've been building bridges.


I'm here to resolve the abuses of power, sabotage, and injustices that led to the formation of that place under egregiously unjust circumstances. Hundreds of bans mainly perpetrated by a handful of folks who ended up informing Reset's policies were slipped in through the cracks of our old platform's deficient logging, accompanying a despicable smear campaign with *no* basis and a DDoS attack to give the incompetent showrunners over there enough time to figure out how to run a forum.

13 months and change doesn't seem to be enough for them to figure out how to do what we're best in class at. On the contrary, they only know how to ban things that scare them and copy whatever announcement we make, only to botch it horribly.

If you're interested in real discussion, come on home. Be civil, mind the rules. If you did something stupid and account suicided during the angry mob last year, send an email to support@ explaining yourself (see ban justice protocols in linked thread above) and we will take all emails under consideration, I hold no grudges. I hold self-respect and dignity, however, so phrase your emails accordingly, please.


We did one of the biggest forum migrations in history, vb3 --> xf 1.5 ---> xf2, with a >100 million post database, in 3 hours. We have fully custom designs we've spend months of internal development and *significant* investment for the sake of the NeoGAF community. What do these jokers have to show for themselves other than community good will they manufactured with a bullshit scandal and a campaign to destroy this place with porn bombs as a means of "virtue signaling" (what would your mom think of that one?), and some off-the-shelf turnkey shit they bolted on haphazardly? They can barely get that shit to work.

We have near 20 years in experience at this.

I weathered this unconscionably horrible shitstorm of hate and baseless accusation for this place. Along with a few loyal hardasses who saw it exactly for what it was and helped keep this place afloat and back on the road forward, we're. STILL. STANDING. Retire, bitch? Not so much. I have responsibilities.

Are these responsible people? Just people?

Come on home.

Unless you posted a noose picture and encouraged my suicide, or porn bombed this place like a pathetic coward.. Then meet me somewhere with a signed waiver, consent form, and EMTs on call. I kid.

NeoGAF is not what the crazy bubble people and activist modders elsewhere would have you believe.

It's just a video game message board on the internet where we encourage talking things out like respectful, mature intellectuals. Along with some healthy trolling to lighten the mood -- generally not getting you banned, but we keep it real and include our own transparent public ban record so you know exactly why if you were. Not "disingenuous with a history of infractions."

Your call.

-Tyler

“Loyal hardasses”

“Healthy trolling”

Fuck yeah, Tyler. You just made my day.

 

[Quonny]

Ideologue alert.

Y’all hate the South so much, why do you appropriate their vernacular?

nou

gottem

 

[cormack12]

C'mon y'all - Come back home.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I can fully see the people who run Resetera coming here and banning people for what they say here from over there if they can find the same username between the two.

I find GAF to be more rational in terms of conversation, but I do like the community involvement in certain games that are now lacking here.

I hope not for all the members here who are also members there. This whole feud thing really is wack af. Even for those of us who can’t stop clowning hopefully know it.

 

[Dunki]

• Sexualize men and women on the same level. If there is a bikini armor for women, men should be able to wear it too. This can be an issue with games where the player can only play as one gender, but I hope that there would be enough games from both with the same amount of sexualization.

This alone makes no sense since sexualization does not work the same way. Best example webcams.

While men love to see tits and pussy women often do not want to see your cock Sexualization wroks differently so a guy in the same armor example Quiet and solid snake comparision does not work in any way. In Japan FFXV Cast was totally sexualized for women in Japan. It was the ulitmate Trope you see a lot in Animes and Manga for women as well. If you but in something homoerotic comedy you have a real seller for women in Japan.

 

[Papa]

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God damn you are weird.

Spoiler

I kinda liked it

 

[Papa]

Because a bunch of mentally unstable ideologues hijacked the forum, pornbombed it and DDOSed it, and spread reprehensible lies about its owner.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I hope not for all the members here who are also members there. This whole feud thing really is wack af. Even for those of us who can’t stop clowning hopefully know it.

The only times I remember seeing that probably happen was people catching temp bans and then talking shit about Era/the mods in that community thread here. And even then you can't know for sure if that was the reason or not as all bans are temp until reviewed by a panel of mods. So it could just be coincidence that the decision to permaban happened after those posts, or they could have seen them and that played a role. No way to know.

But yeah, best to have a different name on each site just to be safe (if one cares about keeping their accoutn over there). Especially if you have right leaning views you share here as you never know how much they may be comparing--and they have some reason to with people from here (or especially other sites) who go there to troll them. In any case, I'd requested a ban over there when taking a break (from forums over the summer) and opted to just make a new account after I'd started posting here again to not have to worry about it. My views largely align with theirs, but I do speak negatively of their moderation over here at times (like in this thread).

 

[Blam]

I can fully see the people who run Resetera coming here and banning people for what they say here from over there if they can find the same username between the two.

I find GAF to be more rational in terms of conversation, but I do like the community involvement in certain games that are now lacking here.

Wanna know something cool lmao that's exactly what happened to me. Whole story is right below.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253599352

Looool

Weren’t you one of their designers before you had a little bit too much to think and they unpersoned you?

Yeah I was lmao.

 

[Redneckerz]

Why quote him/her? Either they don't care, so you're quoting someone who literally won't log back in, or they're just trying to troll you, and you're feeding into it.

Considering most users will just pester them, i like to provide a more honest-to-ground comment or explanation, even when 9 out of 10 times it means they won't elaborate on their original complaint or simply were looking for a gotcha. In some cases, users may react positively instead of negatively which is why i go with it.

I rather want to approach this with a positive attitude to showcase GAF is more than a room full of angry cobwebs battling which spiders we need to seduce.

i am convinced most moderators and a large portion of users in that site are transgenders

Even if that's true, is that a problem or an explanation for their behavior?

It's literally in this very thread.

The cite you are referring to was a comment made in satire, not a geniune remark. It was made as an example as to what to expect from what users from ResetERA might use as an argument.

It seems you took that post serious enough to believe it was true.

God damn you are weird.

Spoiler

I kinda liked it

You don't need to use drugs to come up with random semi-coherent stuff that still sounds crazy.

But you should follow the path of Evil's Lore aswell, young Mattador.

 

[howdyjacker]

I'm here only for da ladies....


















Sike, there are no bona-fide ladies here

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I'm here only for da ladies....


















Sike, there are no bona-fide ladies here

I’m a delightful southern belle.

 

[Liljagare]

Not anymore, got banned for going for that judged and correct evictions from Sweden should be carried out. Esp. if it is criminals/rapists. Also pointed out that our famous swedish protester thought she was protesting for a cute 18 year old, but he wasnt on the plane, so a 57 year old rapist was good enough.

Oh, 57 year old rapist, that also liked to rape babies. Sorry, forgot that part, we are just evil up here for deporting criminals, they are just misunderstood.

 

[bitbydeath]

But at the end of the day, you still need do something pretty fucked up to get perma'd.

Not at all.
Check this out.

https://resetera.kiwifarms.net/

Also just saw they banned Rigby. His threads here were legendary. Hahaha.

Here’s what he wrote to get banned.

They’re banning folks just for saying that they’ll buy the game regardless, so yes.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Even if that's true, is that a problem or an explanation for their behavior?

Problem? No.

Explanation? Perhaps partially. Transgender people face a ton of bullying, belittling and so on and from that and the general stress of having gender dysphoria there's a high level of severe depression, anxiety and other mental illness in that population.

That could certainly at least partly explain severe moderation of things like "dismissing transphobia" when people are just saying they didn't take the CDPR tweet as deliberately hateful (just tone deaf/edgelord nonsense) and will still buy the game (or just saying they'll buy the game regardless). Rather than just giving bans for outright transphobia (which gets moderation here and there, as it should).

That said, I don't think anywhere near a majority of staff is trans. It's just an extreme community that believe the way to "win" is by "deplatforming" the opposition. Thus they just have a near zero tolerance stance on anything that even remotely seems to be non-supportive of transgender people (and other marginalized populations) rather than just weeding out the true bigots.

 

[Papa]

First post in GAF since the great migration.

I see N-words and ridiculous comments that wouldn't fly even on reddit. I understand wanting free expression, and wanting to differentiate yourself from Era. I do think Era is a bit over-moderated especially on certain topics such as trans issues, but at least you can expect to have reasonable discussion that you could maybe associate your real name with (if you were an industry insider) without tarnishing your image.

Where has the n word been used other than the Kendrick Lamar thread in which we discussed its meaning and status in the modern world after he invited a white person up on stage then subsequently embarrassed her in front of thousands of people for singing a lyric that he wrote? If you cringe like a wizard hearing "Voldemort" irrespective of context, that's your problem.

 

[Papa]

I can fully see the people who run Resetera coming here and banning people for what they say here from over there if they can find the same username between the two.

I find GAF to be more rational in terms of conversation, but I do like the community involvement in certain games that are now lacking here.

They have a history of doing that already. Spiteful little cunts.

 

[Skyn3t]

The n word, like nigga? Big deal, just chill out nigga, been listening to my man 50 since his first record. Don't sweat, blood.

 

[RedVIper]

.

You competently disregarded everything else I said, my main focus was on Era but you decided to quote one line and send me a pre programed response from someone else. He's not here to debate me so I think it's kinda pointless to, but,since I'm bored, I'll do so anyway.

Most major visual industries (gaming, television, and cinema) are male-dominated industries

This lacks context, the people who historically have engaged in those form of media are also predominantly male, magazines and tumblr are predominantly female, is there sexism in those forms of media as well? This competently disregards other factors at play to push an agenda.

In this sense, women must learn to appreciate art on men's terms or create their own art. When they do create their own art, it is often underappreciated or relegated to genre because a woman's point of view is often not taken seriously.

Fuck off, woman don't need me, or you, or the idiot who wrote this to validate them, they can and should create their own media, especially considering the author seems to think men can't write about women.

media meant for women has historically been regarded as its own genre (the "chick flick"

You could as easily say media created for men it's its own genre( Dudebro), this is stupid, sure some films attract bigger female audiences, others attract more a male audience, why is this an issue?

because of the sexism most men have internalized

Yes yes, mean are evil and they're sexist even if they don't know it! If you look really closely and happen to have some mental issues.

women are either victimized (murdered as an inciting incident, or kidnapped if you want to be generous) or idealized

Men are depicted as cannon fodder and just as idealized, I'm not sure how you can argue that woman portrayal is problematic and men's isn't without being slightly sexist yourself.

Depiction of women in general has gotten better over the last decade

Pretty sure no form of media or society in general has even been as inclusive as it is today.

I'm gonna stop here because this is completely off topic and I'd prefer if you tried to defend Era instead since that's the issue at hand here.

 

[Papa]

I held onto my account in some hope that this site would have changed back to some semblance of its former self. I see that's never going to happen under you; nothing has changed.

Fucking ban me.

loooool look at the wee baby

 

[Papa]

You competently disregarded everything else I said, my main focus was on Era but you decided to quote one line and send me a pre programed response from someone else. He's not here to debate me so I think it's kinda pointless to, but,since I'm bored, I'll do so anyway.



This lacks context, the people who historically have engaged in those form of media are also predominantly male, magazines and tumblr are predominantly female, is there sexism in those forms of media as well? This competently disregards other factors at play to push an agenda.



Fuck off, woman don't need me, or you, or the idiot who wrote this to validate them, they can and should create their own media, especially considering the author seems to think men can't write about women.



You could as easily say media created for men it's its own genre( Dudebro), this is stupid, sure some films attract bigger female audiences, others attract more a male audience, why is this an issue?



Yes yes, mean are evil and they're sexist even if they don't know it! If you look really closely and happen to have some mental issues.



Men are depicted as cannon fodder and just as idealized, I'm not sure how you can argue that woman portrayal is problematic and men's isn't without being slightly sexist yourself.



Pretty sure no form of media or society in general has even been as inclusive as it is today.

I'm gonna stop here because this is completely off topic and I'd prefer if you tried to defend Era instead since that's the issue at hand here.

Why bother making your own media when you can just repurpose the existing media made by oppressive cis white het buzzword salad males?

 

[0ptimusPayne]

Given how much of a failure BFV has been, there really isn't any surprise that it is not active. Meanwhile check out the RDR2 thread which has more than enough people conversing about the title.

RDR2 OT seems to be the exception. ERAs gaming OTs are more in line with what I participated with Gaf pre shit show for 5 years.

Both sites seem to be weird opposites from each other. On one hand we got post saying gay people are going to hell for the lolz and skin head sympathizers , and on the other hand we got people who think Amazon was racist because they were selling the circle game symbol pins on their site and BS bans for having a non inflammatory opposing opinion on a discussion.

Why can’t people just be fucking normal haha.

Either way I think I’m out for now, I’ll pop in here every once in awhile. Too bad I’m not creative enough bring back some of that gaming side magic.

 

[Papa]

Obviously there are women who love the designs. That doesn't make the designs less harmful.

Now that Era is back up, I can quote this legendary mod response to a user (who wasn't banned, btw) arguing that he likes sexualization because he just likes the designs, and the better solution would be to have more male sexualization to even the score, instead of less female sexualization. I've italized the remarks by the initial poster.

As someone who highly values logic and truth, I personally find it extremely difficult to argue with anything Finale Fireworker is saying here.



Jaibamon said:
That being said, my solution to the issue is:

• Sexualize men and women on the same level. If there is a bikini armor for women, men should be able to wear it too. This can be an issue with games where the player can only play as one gender, but I hope that there would be enough games from both with the same amount of sexualization.
• If you find a game that doesn't suit you well, accept that maybe, you aren't the target market. If one or two things of the game aren't of your liking, be more tolerant and try to enjoy the game regardless. Consider that you may not be the only one feeling like that, and those who are comfortable by playing this game may have to be like you when they play the next one.

Jaibamon said:
It's just like violent games; they are made for adults. And we, as adults, can know the difference between reality and fiction, and can understand that these are fantasy bodies wearing fantasy outfits just for the sake of looking good.
In all of human creation, there is no more powerful or influential tool than man-made media. Media is the foundation for every human religion, over which wars are waged and millions of people murdered. Media is the basis for all of advertising, the cornerstone of commerce through which entire corporate empires are built. Media is the vehicle for propaganda, for every day social correspondence between humans, for bringing news and information and ideas. Media is a uniquely human creation through which all of humanity is influenced and defined. Human existence as you know it would not exist without media. This is precisely because humans have mastered media as a means of conveying messages, consciously or unconsciously, directly or indirectly, and other humans have listened.

How about we just sexualise everyone of legal age and stop this modern day puritanism?

 

[Skyn3t]

But gay people are going to hell if you take Christianity into account. Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible.

 

[Dr. Claus]

But gay people are going to hell if you take Christianity into account. Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible.

Dude, I know you are screwing around/joking, but it is getting a bit old. Let's bring the level of converse back up a bit.

 

[Papa]

But gay people are going to hell if you take Christianity into account. Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible.

Good thing I don't then.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

RDR2 OT seems to be the exception. ERAs gaming OTs are more in line with what I participated with Gaf pre shit show for 5 years.

Both sites seem to be weird opposites from each other. On one hand we got post saying gay people are going to hell for the lolz and skin head sympathizers , and on the other hand we got people who think Amazon was racist because they were selling the circle game symbol pins on their site and BS bans for having a non inflammatory opposing opinion on a discussion.

Why can’t people just be fucking normal haha.

Yeah, both cites have a ton of cringeworthy shitlords, just from opposite sides of the spectrum. Have to stay away from any remotely political/social thread on either site to not have my eyes roll so far back I'm worried they'll get stuck.

Normal people and forums and just become more of a rarity unfortunately as most regular people either never were on forums or left them for social media/Reddit years ago. So the ratio to wacky/extreme shit to normal stuff is more skewed than before.

In terms of OTs, yeah GAF is still really only useful for the huge games like RDR2, Spider-man etc. Most everything else is too slow as people don't want to wait hours for an answer to a question when playing a game when you'll get an answer in seconds or minutes on Era or the game's sub-Reddit.

 

[El_Belmondo]

. But at the end of the day, you still need do something pretty fucked up to get perma'd

As a perm'd resetter let me tell you that you don't really need to do something fucked up, you just need to do something they don't like. I got banned two times, the second one being perm'd. First, i stood my ground against a particular dog race segregation (some people even advocated for its extintion) and i compared that way of thinking to racism, wich in turn got twisted and they labeled me as a racist because how did i dare to compare PoC to dogs? (And fuck me if i ever did that)

OK, let's keep it civil, i just want to enjoy my videog... Oh, so now a spanish name is an antisemite slur outside of spain and there are people saying that WE should change that name? I'll stood my ground again.

OK, perm'd, and the mail they sent me when i reached to them was the most snarky, patronizing and antagonizing mail i ever read coming from a forum staff, and at my age that's saying something.

 

[Skyn3t]

-- Edited: Off topic. ~Avasarala~

 

[J-Roderton]

This thread, yo.

 

[Nelsin]

Nah, I'm dead serious. Christians, hundreds of millions of people, think that homosexuality is a sin, blasphemy and immoral filth. Are you trying to say that the Holy Bible endorses it? Nope, treats it as a heavy sin.

Why do you bring christianity in here tho? Neogaf isnt religious forum.

 

[dorkimoe]

I still really like this video on the whole matter.

The theme in those avatars..

 

[J-Roderton]

*Downplaying <insert whatever the fuck you want>

 

[Papa]

*Downplaying <insert whatever the fuck you want>

User banned (permanent): Downplaying downplaying

 

[bitbydeath]

Why do you bring christianity in here tho? Neogaf isnt religious forum.

Silly robot.
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