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[Zewp]

Isn't this... actually a good thing?

If that's how the creator want to do it, let him do it. It is a fantasy world after all, they can do whatever they want.

No no. We must all be triggered and butthurt because the game doesn't have an exclusively white cast and then we must insinuate that everyone who doesn't agree with us are sensitive snowflakes.

It's an incredibly fair and reasonable tweet.

GAF is going to shit yet again with all this political bullshit.

It's becoming insufferable. I've been saying for a while that Gaf needs to create a dedicated subforum for politics in vidya so that those of us with no interest in politics can discuss games normally without always having to sift through dozens of angry posts because "black femoids on the cover, REEE" or shit like that.

 

[Dada55000]

"Mass Effect never did until 3"

That is incorrect...



I've played the whole series and the whole series has the option, some are a bit limited like 1, but it is actually still in the game.

Egg on your face, that's a mod.

 

[Azurro]

I cannot see why a story written in 2018 couldn't be progressive while not alienating modern audiences. Like, I really think you have to set out to make people angry today via diversity.

But is that even possible? Progressive values are diametrically opposed to anything traditional, and absolutely need an entire race/gender as villains while exalting the virtues of their protagonist's gender/race in any story. That's why you have the stainless lesbian/gay/black/whatever and the white, straight characters are either apologetic buffoons or comedically evil. It's tough to make SJW interesting because there is no nuance, since the minority protagonist is good innately because of his/her/"their" identity, hardly any character development because the minority protagonist are incredibly amazing to begin with, and the evil side always represent a traditional gender or idea portrayed through evil characters that are stupid at it.

I don't normally buy Bioware game, so I don't really care, but it seems that EA will have another underperforming title if their political representations are more important than a decent story.

 

[Alexios]

But is that even possible? Progressive values are diametrically opposed to anything traditional, and absolutely need an entire race/gender as villains while exalting the virtues of their protagonist's gender/race in any story. That's why you have the stainless lesbian/gay/black/whatever and the white, straight characters are either apologetic buffoons or comedically evil. It's tough to make SJW interesting because there is no nuance, since the minority protagonist is good innately because of his/her/"their" identity, hardly any character development because the minority protagonist are incredibly amazing to begin with, and the evil side always represent a traditional gender or idea portrayed through evil characters that are stupid at it.

I don't normally buy Bioware game, so I don't really care, but it seems that EA will have another underperforming title if their political representations are more important than a decent story.

Wow... Bye...

 

[KonradLaw]

So does this mean I won't be able to play utter heartless asshole? That would be dissapoiting. I tend to play as good guy in first playthroughs of RPGs and then try to be as much of a evil monster as I can in second playthrough.

Anyway, I don't mind politics and progressive ideas in games, but as anything they have to be done well and serve the story. Which I'm not sure modern BioWare is capable off.

 

[EDMIX]

Egg on your face, that's a mod.

Well I did play it on PC, didn't use any mods though (wipes egg off face)

 

[Saint Boot]

Well I did play it on PC, didn't use any mods though (wipes egg off face)

What you wiped all over your face was a bit worse than that... "Big Boss". Kinda white and powdery/made up of multiple ingredients....

Sorry, I could not resist the obvious based on your picture.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

diversity isnt the problem. advertising and pushing some weird narrative and acting like you are above other people is the problem. the whole narrative diversity thing isnt a problem i think a lot of "people of color" actually care about. this is a white people pleasing other white people problem and as soon as people realize this the better off we will all be. all the diverse cast everyone wants to make is made by a bunch of crackers. i never cared about this whole diversity debate but you cant scream diversity and be just a bunch of polar bears. doesnt work like that. im not fuckin white but dont hate yourself. make the fucking game you want to make

 

[JimmyRustler]

Ugh... Think it‘s time for us to start a thread that ranks the wokeness of the upcoming games. Would be useful for me so I know which games to avoid.

I‘m not even saying all this is bad per se. Maybe it‘s good after all. What the fuck do I know, right? If the general gamer audience wants this, so be it. I‘m just so annoyed by this and don‘t want to be force fed political agendas. I have enough games in my library and on my wishlist to last me a lifetime and I‘d rather play those again than to be tricked into playing on of those super progressive games. Also I‘m sure that every now and then some great game without all this will come along, thanks to Japan and Europe. Guess I have to look twice for every game from the US from now on...

 

[5secondrulesucks]

Ugh... Think it‘s time for us to start a thread that ranks the wokeness of the upcoming games. Would be useful for me so I know which games to avoid.

I‘m not even saying all this is bad per se. Maybe it‘s good after all. What the fuck do I know, right? If the general gamer audience wants this, so be it. I‘m just so annoyed by this and don‘t want to be force fed political agendas. I have enough games in my library and on my wishlist to last me a lifetime and I‘d rather play those again than to be tricked into playing on of those super progressive games. Also I‘m sure that every now and then some great game without all this will come along, thanks to Japan and Europe. Guess I have to look twice for every game from the US from now on...

i kind of feel like this whole video game woke stuff is definitely taking a turn. there are still some studios who will fight this to the end but i definitely think the wokeness is starting to die off a bit

 

[JimmyRustler]

i kind of feel like this whole video game woke stuff is definitely taking a turn. there are still some studios who will fight this to the end but i definitely think the wokeness is starting to die off a bit

We‘ll see I guess. Many of the games pushing this in a very obivous way seem to be flopping but on the other hand devs keep spewing that stuff over twitter so I‘m not so sure... Either way, I really don‘t care that much. I would just love to know what to avoid.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Ugh... Think it‘s time for us to start a thread that ranks the wokeness of the upcoming games. Would be useful for me so I know which games to avoid.

I‘m not even saying all this is bad per se. Maybe it‘s good after all. What the fuck do I know, right? If the general gamer audience wants this, so be it. I‘m just so annoyed by this and don‘t want to be force fed political agendas. I have enough games in my library and on my wishlist to last me a lifetime and I‘d rather play those again than to be tricked into playing on of those super progressive games. Also I‘m sure that every now and then some great game without all this will come along, thanks to Japan and Europe. Guess I have to look twice for every game from the US from now on...

I get annoyed when they force feed it instead of presenting it in an integrated way because it creates a shitty non believable story and characters, but I do not mind those concepts and ideas exposed and integrated well. That is the job of writers, musicians, story tellers, philosophers, teachers, real journalists... try to make us think and tell us something we may or may not agree with.

What’s the problem with playing a great game, with great characters, and great story even if it had a “progressive” agenda? Is not one of the issues people have with “progressives/post-modernists/rabid SJW/etc...” people that they basically want other people to stop saying anything they even remotely disagree with / makes them uncomfortable? How would this be any better?

My issue in deplatforming people you disagree with in general, not taking about you in this example, is that it assumes the a portion of the public is stupid and will be brain washed by words easily (in a way I am not sure why such hypothetical group of people is allowed/trusted to vote if that were the case... they follow blindly anything other people say so let’s limit what they hear to only what we want them to hear...), but that is a whole other topic...

 

[HeresJohnny]

Yuck. I’m not going to pay to hear someone lecture me on social issues no matter which angle they’re pushing. Games are about escapism and fun, fuck off with the political bullshit in games. Oh well, at least it isn’t a game I really cared about.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yuck. I’m not going to pay to hear someone lecture me on social issues no matter which angle they’re pushing. Games are about escapism and fun, fuck off with the political bullshit in games. Oh well, at least it isn’t a game I really cared about.

Fair, but to others games are not just pure mindless entertainment... they can be challenging, they can be thought provoking, artistic even. Why are or should games be that different from book or movies? Still, it is beautiful that there are enough different games you are not forced to play games you hate.

Sending someone to school is paying to be lectured about social issues that they (or we when we went to school) knew shit about. University is by definition paying to be lectured .

 

[HeresJohnny]

Fair, but to others games are not just pure mindless entertainment... they can be challenging, they can be thought provoking, artistic even. Why are or should games be that different from book or movies? Still, it is beautiful that there are enough different games you are not forced to play games you hate.

Sending someone to school is paying to be lectured about social issues that they (or we when we went to school) knew shit about. University is by definition paying to be lectured .

I don’t want to read books or watch movies made with a political agenda in mind first and entertainment second. That’s my real issue; Dragon Age isn’t exactly setting the world on fire with the experience it’s been offering, so instead of simply trying to make a better game mechanically and from a design perspective, they’re messing around with stuff like this. It’s like going to see a shitty movie with bad acting but a challenging message, or a book with a bad premise that is long on political meanderings. I just don’t care what these people have to say politically; it’s not what I pay them to do.

 

[Paracelsus]

Fair, but to others games are not just pure mindless entertainment... they can be challenging, they can be thought provoking, artistic even. Why are or should games be that different from book or movies? Still, it is beautiful that there are enough different games you are not forced to play games you hate.

Sending someone to school is paying to be lectured about social issues that they (or we when we went to school) knew shit about. University is by definition paying to be lectured .

Social issues are, like most things, opinions subject to valid questioning. You can't push your opinions on other people; that's not lecturing, it's shilling.

 

[Nelsin]

Smart move from EA getting with

Stop strawmanning, there's nothing wrong with inclusiveness. I don't care about whatever flavor of the month minority developers decide to inject into their games. They're all welcome as long as they are decently written and not used as a bludgeoning tool in order to bring across your heavy-handed militant agenda.

I usually don't give a rat's rear about what you write on twitter, but developers need to learn that the games they work on are not their personal twitter feed.

But if they don't tweet then they can't show the world how good humans they are!

 

[Darak]

Sending someone to school is paying to be lectured about social issues that they (or we when we went to school) knew shit about. University is by definition paying to be lectured .

That is a good definition of what schools and universities have become, especially if you look at social disciplines. It's wrong, though. Just like science constantly evolves and rewrites itself, pursuing the truth is impossible without the continuous clashing of ideas. Schools and universities should be places that make you think, not places that tell you what you should think.

 

[Halo0629]

Jeez I'm all for diversity and equality but please stop shoving it down our throats.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Social issues are, like most things, opinions subject to valid questioning. You can't push your opinions on other people; that's not lecturing, it's shilling.

You do not have to buy the game. A game designer putting his own message in the game is not doing anything despicable. The issue seems to be with you liking the message or not and also that sometimes the games are worse because of how they push their narrative in.

Unless we are asking book authors, poets, musicians, film makers, and all writers and artists (games too) to only produce content void of personal opinion I am not sure what the point is.

I understand when to drive an idea a work of art is badly altered and skewed and comes worse off because of it (and the authors want praise anyways and can I accept any criticism...)... that also upsets me, but for a different reason. Value of freedom of speech and ideas goes both ways.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Ok but, thats probably how they wrote the character. Thats no different then someone who is trans in real life telling you that. "unnatural and preachy" ? So no trans person on earth has ever told anyone this before or?

Nobody talks like that in real life.

 

[Thiagosc777]

How in the fuck adding diversity to games is an insult?

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...neducated-doesnt-want-them-to-buy-game/61256/

If you criticized Battlefield V for being a gross misrepresentation of World War II after DICE claimed that it was the most historically immersive game to date, Electronic Arts’ chief creative officer, Patrick Soderlund, doesn’t want you buying the game. In fact, he went as far as to call such critics “uneducated” and that they should either accept DICE’s agenda for rewriting World War II or “don’t buy the game.”

 

[Fuz]

Diversity and inclusiveness aren't the problem. The problem is when it's shoehorned in by bad writing and the game gets preachy.

Done right: Witcher games.
Done wrong: anything bioware, BFV.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Fair, but to others games are not just pure mindless entertainment... they can be challenging, they can be thought provoking, ...

Or just poorly written propaganda pamphlets. The problem with games that push this nonsense is how awkward and unnatural the characters are. They don't exist in the story for a reason, they exist to check a box.

Two examples of diversity done properly were in The Witcher 3 and Valkyria Chronicles 4. In both cases nothing in the story told you the characters were any different. But you could find out if you tried to learn more about them.

In a Bioware game, the first chance you get to talk to them those characters would let you how much gay they are and how that is great. Like in Mass Effect Andromeda, with that trans NPC, that tells you her entire life the first time you meet. It's so awkward and unnatural that feels like it was written by some AI. No human talks like that.

Dragon Age Inquisition was similarly "written by an AI".

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

What is the point of adding diversity in your games (like FFVII and BG2 did, the right kind of diversity) if any hack writer/journalist/critic will come to your game's review and proclaim:
"NOT ENOUGH DIVERSITY, NOT ENOUGH CELEBRATION OF DIVERSITY, NOT TICKBOXING THE SMALLEST DENOMINATOR OF DIVERSITY! REEEEEEEE!!"

At some point, publishers developers are going to say fuck it and don't bother.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Or just poorly written propaganda pamphlets. The problem with games that push this nonsense is how awkward and unnatural the characters are. They don't exist in the story for a reason, they exist to check a box.

Those are example of content which will likely fail because it is not a good overall package, but a badly written propaganda piece if so. Which is the point I was making, so we kind of agree .

 

[Guileless]

Or just poorly written propaganda pamphlets. The problem with games that push this nonsense is how awkward and unnatural the characters are. They don't exist in the story for a reason, they exist to check a box.

Rod Liddle wrote about this today in the The Times in the context of his daughter, who quit watching the new season of Dr. Who despite being a fan:

What she doesn’t want, she says, is to be struck over the head each week by the monkey wrench of fatuous BBC liberal propaganda, with a few crap aliens thrown in here or there as a sop. A perfectly balanced, all-boxes-ticked, ethnic and gender-balanced team trying to help Rosa Parks sit where she wants on that bus (episode three), or partition in India, the consequence of British wickedness, in which Muslims show how absolutely bloody marvellous they are (episode six), or the misogyny of witch trials and so on and so on.​

​

My kid isn’t alone. The audience for the current series has dropped by more than a third. The kids don’t like it — they get all that tendentious rubbish at school “enrichment” class, when they should be learning how to add up. Me, I’m down with the kids. They’re right.​

 

[General Lee]

Here's a hint for Bioware writers. While including diversity, it also includes respecting the the wishes of straight men too, so how about making whatever romance options that are left after catering to minorities to actually be appealing to straight men and not some fantasy feminist self insert that they're supposed to worship. Inquisition already had pretty bad options for straight men, with Cassandra pretty much the only one slightly resembling an appealing woman to romance, and Josephine's romance route being really lackluster. I won't even go to ME:A where the characters were just awful or boring even outside romance. Where's my new Tali, Liara, Miranda, Morrigan, Leliana, Isabela, Merrill, Jaheira, Viconia or Aerie? Bioware used to make a lot of good romance options for straight men, but the way I see it going is all we're getting is a romance "option" that's there to make us see the light of intersectional feminism.

 

[Panajev2001a]

That is a good definition of what schools and universities have become, especially if you look at social disciplines. It's wrong, though. Just like science constantly evolves and rewrites itself, pursuing the truth is impossible without the continuous clashing of ideas. Schools and universities should be places that make you think, not places that tell you what you should think.

In a certain way, especially in earlier years, they need to do both. That is why we’ll defined and not propaganda driven school curricula are important. I am also concerned about this school of thought that diminish the importance of expertise and seems to only focus on what people feel is right and thus it becomes for them a valid logical reason to support an argument... see the revolt by some groups against vaccination. Some people have being told anything no matter if the other people are right or wrong.

Respecting your teachers and considering what he says in his field of expertise, as the teacher also gives you and teaches the importance of rational criticism and evidence based argumentation, is not wrong. That is the reason you pay so much to hire those experts to begin with. In some cases they may be right empirically on this you feel uncomfortable accepting too.

 

[Akira1983]

Here's a hint for Bioware writers. While including diversity, it also includes respecting the the wishes of straight men too, so how about making whatever romance options that are left after catering to minorities to actually be appealing to straight men and not some fantasy feminist self insert that they're supposed to worship. Inquisition already had pretty bad options for straight men, with Cassandra pretty much the only one slightly resembling an appealing woman to romance, and Josephine's romance route being really lackluster. I won't even go to ME:A where the characters were just awful or boring even outside romance. Where's my new Tali, Liara, Miranda, Morrigan, Leliana, Isabela, Merrill, Jaheira, Viconia or Aerie? Bioware used to make a lot of good romance options for straight men, but the way I see it going is all we're getting is a romance "option" that's there to make us see the light of intersectional feminism.

Oh no poor straight male gamers. You’ve had virtually the entire history of games catering to straight heterosexual fantasies. A few games with more options than “hot straight woman is ready to date you “ isn’t gonna kill you

Your entire post sounds pathetic

 

[johntown]

I did have some hope for the game. That statement just flushed all that hope right down the toilet.

Why don’t they make a game that gamers want to play.

I don’t want to play some stupid dating sim with RPG elements that tries to accommodate everyone and is careful not to offend.

I want a game that has meaningful choice where if I want to be evil I can be evil. Not so politically dumbed down that all meaningful choice is stripped out so no one is butt hurt.

End rant and yeah I am now officially done with BioWare as they are no longer the RPG game maker I used to love.

 

[Fuz]

Rod Liddle wrote about this today in the The Times in the context of his daughter, who quit watching the new season of Dr. Who despite being a fan:

What she doesn’t want, she says, is to be struck over the head each week by the monkey wrench of fatuous BBC liberal propaganda, with a few crap aliens thrown in here or there as a sop. A perfectly balanced, all-boxes-ticked, ethnic and gender-balanced team trying to help Rosa Parks sit where she wants on that bus (episode three), or partition in India, the consequence of British wickedness, in which Muslims show how absolutely bloody marvellous they are (episode six), or the misogyny of witch trials and so on and so on.​

​

My kid isn’t alone. The audience for the current series has dropped by more than a third. The kids don’t like it — they get all that tendentious rubbish at school “enrichment” class, when they should be learning how to add up. Me, I’m down with the kids. They’re right.​

Just curious, is The Times a right-leaning magazine?

 

[Akira1983]

I did have some hope for the game. That statement just flushed all that hope right down the toilet.

Why don’t they make a game that gamers want to play.

I don’t want to play some stupid dating sim with RPG elements that tries to accommodate everyone and is careful not to offend.

I want a game that has meaningful choice where if I want to be evil I can be evil. Not so politically dumbed down that all meaningful choice is stripped out so no one is butt hurt.

End rant and yeah I am now officially done with BioWare as they are no longer the RPG game maker I used to love.

Who said you won’t be able to be evil in this game?

 

[Darak]

In a certain way, especially in earlier years, they need to do both.

I strongly disagree. Keep in mind how early school is frequently used to preach political and religious agendas because children are vulnerable. That's wrong, and in fact it's much worse than any college-level political indoctrination practices.

 

[RoboFu]

The other DAs were the same. If they continue with what they had it will be good, but if they try to push it more it could feel like they are trying to hard.

 

[General Lee]

Oh no poor straight male gamers. You’ve had virtually the entire history of games catering to straight heterosexual fantasies. A few games with more options than “hot straight woman is ready to date you “ isn’t gonna kill you

Your entire post sounds pathetic

Me wanting a character that's specifically designed to be the straight option for males to be actually an attractive character is pathethic? That's the most disingenuous bs take I've heard in a good while. Nowhere did I say others shouldn't have their wishes catered to. The problem is that the "option" for straight men is actually catering to is unappealing to the target group, and designed to preach to this group about what they should prefer.

 

[TheShadowLord]

"Mass Effect never did until 3"

That is incorrect...



I've played the whole series and the whole series has the option, some are a bit limited like 1, but it is actually still in the game.

Wow, guess I have missed that even though I play the first a lot of times

 

[zenspider]

Isn't this... actually a good thing?

If that's how the creator want to do it, let him do it. It is a fantasy world after all, they can do whatever they want.

There's a difference between diversity and 'Diversity', and I think that's the good reason for any skepticism.

Even if that's the case, that IV will be Dragon Age: Awokening, I agree with you that it's a good thing - let them make the game they want.

I've never understood the "keep politics out of games" operating on the narrative level. I want diverse perspectives in games. I want to be challenged by narratives in story telling.

My line has always been at journalism and review culture: I don't need some 20 year old with a feeble understanding of critical theory telling me Bayonetta is a tool of the patriarchy or that EA is cucking me or whatever by having women in Battlefield.

 

[royox]

Oh no poor straight male gamers. You’ve had virtually the entire history of games catering to straight heterosexual fantasies. A few games with more options than “hot straight woman is ready to date you “ isn’t gonna kill you

Your entire post sounds pathetic

You forgot to add "cis" and "white". Call some technical assistance so they write them properly into your code for the next time

 

[Akira1983]

Me wanting a character that's specifically designed to be the straight option for males to be actually an attractive character is pathethic? That's the most disingenuous bs take I've heard in a good while. Nowhere did I say others shouldn't have their wishers catered to. The problem is that the "option" for straight men is actually catering to is unappealing to the target group, and designed to preach to this group about what they should prefer.

I can’t think of a single rpg that didn’t have straight male romance options available

What do you mean by unappealing?

Like mass effect andromeda’s hideous character models? That’s not related to any agenda whatsoever, it’s related to low skilled animators and graphic designers that don’t know how to create character models

I’m not sure specifically what you are referring to?

 

[Akira1983]

You forgot to add "cis" and "white". Call some technical assistance so they write them properly into your code for the next time

NPC

hurr durr

 

[Screamer-RSA]

Oh no poor straight male gamers. You’ve had virtually the entire history of games catering to straight heterosexual fantasies. A few games with more options than “hot straight woman is ready to date you “ isn’t gonna kill you

Your entire post sounds pathetic

Yikes! Lets unpack this, your post seems very problematic. Wow...just wow!

 

[General Lee]

I can’t think of a single rpg that didn’t have straight male romance options available

What do you mean by unappealing?

Like mass effect andromeda’s hideous character models? That’s not related to any agenda whatsoever, it’s related to low skilled animators and graphic designers that don’t know how to create character models

I’m not sure specifically what you are referring to?

The straight male romance options specifically. Characters like Cassandra, Cora, even Peebee etc. They're sort of tomboys that just don't quite suit my tastes, and I see the overall development of these romance options going back from Origins/ME1 to this day to be less and less appealing, even though they're still supposed to cater to a straight man. I see it as these feminist writers trying to push us to like this masculine independent woman caricature, and the only one we should like. It feels like those characters would serve better as lesbian options than straight to be honest. I'm not saying they're awful, just not nearly as appealing in comparison to what we've seen before from Bioware.

Maybe they'll come up with something more appealing this time, who knows. But for me Bioware's output has been on a constant downwards trajectory in terms of appeal, not just in romances, but overall quality of writing. Bioware can continue on their path of making more unappealing characters to their target demographics, but that won't sell copies no matter how diverse it's supposed to be. To me it's just catering to a very specific loud and obnoxious subset of people in social media, who these writers often seem to be a part of.

Outside that I'm not sure why you keep referring to things my post said nothing about. I never said anything about games not having male romance options available, I was talking about their quality. It's like you are purposefully coming up with weird strawmen arguments about something I never stated in my posts to begin with, and then calling me pathetic. Straight up nonsense.

 

[The_Mike]

No no. We must all be triggered and butthurt because the game doesn't have an exclusively white cast and then we must insinuate that everyone who doesn't agree with us are sensitive snowflakes.

It's an incredibly fair and reasonable tweet, but Thiagosc777 needs to REEEEE.



It's becoming insufferable. I've been saying for a while that Gaf needs to create a dedicated subforum for politics in vidya so that those of us with no interest in politics can discuss games normally without always having to sift through dozens of angry posts because "black femoids on the cover, REEE" or shit like that.

How are we supposed to separate games from politics if the developers forces it down in our throats?

 

[Raven117]

OP this is totally fine. It’s not like this is some goofy shoe-horn in for the sake of inclusion. Its in the design from the ground up and what the developer legitimately wants to make and wants to let all kinds of options for “role play.”

I would suggest that this is a good thing and will bring more folks to the hobby. (Remember, this is fantasy, not sure true to life gritty Ww2 game).

Besides, I guarantee they will screw up the relationship stuff in the game as something like “relationships are just giving things and answering questions right” and it will get bashed by idiots.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Diversity and inclusiveness aren't the problem. The problem is when it's shoehorned in by bad writing and the game gets preachy.

Done right: Witcher games.
Done wrong: anything bioware, BFV.

Diversity is only done right if it involves the main character. Didn‘t you know? And dare not to like it mate, then you‘re a fucking bigot!

Like, I never got that. No one would bat an eye if a women says she doesn‘t want to play Gears of War because it‘s just a bunch of dudes shooting shit but if I don‘t want to play as women and/or a gay character than I‘m a bigot? Erm... what?

 

[Afro Republican]

I think what is going on is that most of the so-called "games journalists" are "leftists". Many games companies, in an effort to help their games review well, have been pandering to these bone heads. You see evidence of this all over the place, praise for games that peddle the whole diversity, inclusion, equality narrative (none of these things are bad, however they have been bastardized to be something more than what is encompassed by the words themselves). Games that fail to pander are called out for not being diverse, inclusive, etc.

It really is a stupid cycle. The games journalists don't represent their audience, they are just a bunch of indoctrinated clowns parroting talking points from the latest and greatest woke movement hoping to score some points. I don't mind someone having an opinion, but labeling all other opinions as wrong or invalid is just the height of stupidity.

Hopefully these companies will continue to lose money and remember to treat their actual customers in a more respectful manner, to actually cater to their customers and not some ideologue working at some gaming site.

Well I know this, EA removed Bad Company (according to EX-employees) due to journalists getting complaints. But the issue is now they are sacrificing money to get points that have no value. Activision at least knows how to make money and will continue to cater to the fans and average gamers so that they will continue to financially support them.

But at this point EA is basically killing multiple of their IPS and doubling down on this crowd of desperate trend jumpers for value that isn't worth any money. Even the people giving EA props aren't even buying their games, it's like the top of the company was invaded by morons.

Well, EA is dead, may they float in space.

 

[Thiagosc777]

How are we supposed to separate games from politics if the developers forces it down in our throats?

Yes, we are just quoting the developers themselves. If anyone doesn't like this, they can ask the developers to stop defecating through their mouths. Then we won't have what to talk about.

 

[Cosmogony]

No no. We must all be triggered

Refuting with rational argumnents is the opposite of being triggered.
You must have the two confused.

and butthurt because the game doesn't have an exclusively white cast

Would you be able to quote a single passage calling for an all-white cast? Would you?
Then drop the farce.

and then we must insinuate that everyone who doesn't agree with us are sensitive snowflakes.

The problem will be easily solved if and when the other side starts presenting good arguments. Regrettably, I guess your post won't be inaugurating that luminous day after all.

It's becoming insufferable.

If you really feel that way, the solution is obvious.

However, may I suggest an alternative? Why don't you compile what you deem the very best arguments, phrase them as eloquently as possible and then write a comprehensive post detailing your position?

Deal?

I've been saying for a while that Gaf needs to create a dedicated subforum for politics in vidya so that those of us with no interest in politics can discuss games normally without always having to sift through dozens of angry posts because "black femoids on the cover, REEE" or shit like that.

Really? The thread title was not a sufficient hint? Somehow you inadvertedly fell into its trap and somehow you inadvertedly started typing and inadvertedly hit the Post Reply button?

Getting away from something by taking part in it is very inefficient.

 

[bosnianpie]

Funny, the game is years away and I can already sense the train derailing. Perhaps they should start with getting the facial animations right before thinking about skin color.