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[Kreydo]

They are optional costumes with ads about the most important SFV tournament.

While i see and understand the danger of this intrusive marketing, it's not a banner in the middle of your screen.
It's some UGLY sticker OPTIONAL that GIVE you a Bonus of ingame money.

As long as it's optional and don't advertise tooth pate or detergent, I'm fine with it...
I'm aware versus fighting game is a niche genre that require a lot of money to be made properly, I can do some compromise to keep this genre and the FGcommunity alive... But don't push it too far Capcom you are on the edge.

 

[dirthead]

They are optional costumes with ads about the most important SFV tournament.

While i see and understand the danger of this intrusive marketing, it's not a banner in the middle of your screen.
It's some UGLY sticker OPTIONAL that GIVE you a Bonus of ingame money.

As long as it's optional and don't advertise tooth pate or detergent, I'm fine with it...
I'm aware versus fighting game is a niche genre that require a lot of money to be made properly, I can do some compromise to keep this genre and the FGcommunity alive... But don't push it too far Capcom you are on the edge.

No. NO. Stop making excuses.

The kind of rationale you just typed out is the reason gaming is currently burning in DLC and microtransaction hell in the first place.

Just stop. This is unacceptable horse shit.

 

[hariseldon]

Oh for fuck's sake. They charge a high price for the game, charge for microtransactions and now ads on top. Are they fucking serious???????

 

[Kreydo]

No. NO. Stop making excuses.

The kind of rationale you just typed out is the reason gaming is currently burning in DLC and microtransaction hell in the first place.

Just stop. This is unacceptable horse shit.

I'm not making excuses... I'm just aware of the state and cost of an AA fighting game in the industry and i don't want all the market to be filled with Fortnite or Smash clones...
We are not talking about AAA like BF, CoD, or some Fifa game who require minimum effort for max money back on investment, we are talking about a niche game!

I don't see this as greed from Capcom since the game doesn't make that much money for the work spent.(competitive fighting game aren't the most efficient way to make money)
For exemple Blizzard which only got a "stop" recently by fanboys with the Diablo mobile story, always got a pass before despite their greedy and scammy practicing. And Blizzard was(and still) making a shitload more money than Capcom!
Blizzard created the first DLC EVER in WoW, selling a $10 mount while the game was at his apogee.

So please put things back in context... Of course i'm not pleased by this, and of course i wouldn't blindly support Capcom if competitive fighting game was in top chart.

 

[Belmonte]

There are so many stupid skins in this game. Sometimes it feels like they want to destroy the setting with all the crap. The atmosphere is important in a fighting game for lots of people, they are hurting the brand.

And now, after people asked for an increase in the measly fighting money they recieve each battle, the answer is : "Sure, here is an ad. Please, expect more Red Bull skins. BTW, You can't turn off the skin of your opponent. Thanks for your 60 dollars."

 

[Makariel]

Blizzard created the first DLC EVER in WoW, selling a $10 mount while the game was at his apogee.

Wait, what? Are we rewriting history now? They were not the first, not by a long shot:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...n-pack-free-dlc-paid-dlc-ever-released.79593/

 

[Kreydo]

I was refering to the first dumb useless thing as DLC/cosmetic or whatever was succefully sold to mass.

Of course games addon etc existed before and they never been a problem... DLC became a problem when it started be the shit Blizzard democratized.
recent exemple nobody complainted about "DLC" like The Witcher III provided, obviously this isn't what i'm refering.

 

[lock2k]

No. NO. Stop making excuses.

The kind of rationale you just typed out is the reason gaming is currently burning in DLC and microtransaction hell in the first place.

Just stop. This is unacceptable horse shit.

This. A million times.

I'm a huge Street Fighter fan and I own every single entry of this game in some platform or another. I even own SFV (but I don't have a PS4 currently).

But I can't accept this.

I hope they make a SFVI and move on from this shit and I'll gladly ignore this turd's existence.

 

[Makariel]

I was refering to the first dumb useless thing as DLC/cosmetic or whatever was succefully sold to mass.

That was the horse armor DLC for the Elder Scrolls. Still nothing to do with Blizzard.

 

[Fuz]

It's not that simple. Yes we can ignore the ads, yes the ads may not be too intrusive or in your face. The problem is it sets a really bad precedent going forward. This is not a freemium game. Ads have no place in a paid for product. It's another way of monetizing a full priced game. If people are ok with it, I can definitely see other publishers following suit.

And you can be sure that going forward you will absolutely need to activate ads to reduce unsufferable grinds. Psychology 101.

Just a reminder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

While i see and understand the danger of this intrusive marketing, it's not a banner in the middle of your screen.
It's some UGLY sticker OPTIONAL that GIVE you a Bonus of ingame money.

You are so naive. You don't understand what it's gonna happen.

recent exemple nobody complainted about "DLC" like The Witcher III provided

Let's call them for what they are: Expansions.

Not DLCs.

 

[AngularSaxophone]

I feel sorry for people who bought the game 60$ and have to submit to this shit.

I dunno man I’ve literally gotten over 1000 hours of gameplay out of it.

 

[Makariel]

And you can be sure that going forward you will absolutely need to activate ads to reduce unsufferable grinds. Psychology 101.

Just a reminder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Frogs jump out of a pot if the water is getting too hot, doesn't matter how slowly the heat is increased. That's even written in the article you link to. So all we learn from that is that frogs won't buy street fighter if there are mandatory ads.

 

[Fuz]

Frogs jump out of a pot if the water is getting too hot, doesn't matter how slowly the heat is increased. That's even written in the article you link to. So all we learn from that is that frogs won't buy street fighter if there are mandatory ads.

 

[Kreydo]

You are so naive. You don't understand what it's gonna happen.

I'm not naive, if they abuse those ads for anything else related to SFV the game will die instanly plain and simple.
This is a NICHE game, SFV isn't filled by millions of kids that purshase shit with smarphone and don't care about their gaming experience, It's the EXACT opposite...
You guys are taking SFV case like it was your common AAA copy/paste game, this is not the same audience.

That was the horse armor DLC for the Elder Scrolls. Still nothing to do with Blizzard.

Yes i was mixing the 10$ WoW pet with the Horse armor, my bad.

I dunno man I’ve literally gotten over 1000 hours of gameplay out of it.

Same here... bought the game for $40 with all season pass 6 month ago and already spent 300 hours enjoying competitive online versus fighting.

 

[Makariel]

Right back at you.

 

[Fuz]

I'm not naive, if they abuse those ads for anything else related to SFV the game will die instanly plain and simple.

You won't have any choice going forward. You're naive.

 

[The Elite]

I wouldn't mind everything else but adding it to the costumes seems wrong. They should pull back on that.

 

[Kreydo]

You won't have any choice going forward. You're naive.

What?... I just writed you that i will not keep playing or buy more SF stuff if they abuse the ads system.
I'm not naive i'm aware of the possibility that Capcom abuse it.

 

[Elcid]

People who are ok with this are not considering the full history with Sfv. This game came out at full price, has had three season passes for characters, and a myriad of alternate outfits that can be purchased with real money only. When AE released they also actively removed single-player fight money generation and reduced fight money rewards for challenges, while implementing a new challenge that requires you to gamble existing fight money for a chance to earn more.

And now they're putting in ads. One of the selling points of this game originally was that you would be able to unlock characters and costumes through regular play, but that has proven to be complete and utter horseshit.

I bought the game at launch and have all 3 season passes and every stage and costume bundle along with a bunch of singles, I'm aware and it doesn't bother me. Just shut it off if you don't want them.

 

[Nymphae]

People who are ok with this are not considering the full history with Sfv. This game came out at full price, has had three season passes for characters, and a myriad of alternate outfits that can be purchased with real money only. When AE released they also actively removed single-player fight money generation and reduced fight money rewards for challenges, while implementing a new challenge that requires you to gamble existing fight money for a chance to earn more.

And now they're putting in ads. One of the selling points of this game originally was that you would be able to unlock characters and costumes through regular play, but that has proven to be complete and utter horseshit.

This is all true, yet as I mentioned before, as someone who is not interested in any DLC basically (I main Ryu and don't really give a fuck about costumes ultimately - I always use his default and the first colour choice is best) - none of this bothers me. Ok, maybe the reduction of fight money stings a bit, but it's mainly just used for shit I don't really want or need. It would be nice to get the stages, but I spent hours playing this last night and the gameplay wasn't really lacking because I only had whatever the default number of stages is. And all this optional bullshit can be grinded for, which I don't believe any other fighter really lets you do, do they?

I paid a reduced price for this game brand new $35. I got a ton of content, and haven't needed to pay a dime, and in fact keep getting new stuff (seasonal updates and stages, whereas older games would require a brand new title to purchase)

And again, these ads can be turned off.

 

[Fuz]

What?... I just writed you that i will not keep playing or buy more SF stuff if they abuse the ads system.
I'm not naive i'm aware of the possibility that Capcom abuse it.

See? Told you you're naive.
It's not just capcom. It's all of the industry. This get a pass, and we'll get mobile game models on our PCs/consoles going forward.

 

[Nymphae]

I wouldn't mind everything else but adding it to the costumes seems wrong. They should pull back on that.

I can't imagine that many people are going to select ad costumes, but we'll see.

 

[Mochilador]

We are going full mobile.

 

[Kreydo]

I can't imagine that many people are going to select ad costumes, but we'll see.

Very few people play online for the fight money so... But people here mostly don't play SFV.

 

[GenericUser]

I could tolerate that tbh. But lets be straight, the real problem is, that they are only testing the waters here. Like bethesda did back then with the infamous horse armour. Fast forward 11 yrs, mtx dlc is worse then ever.

Imagine what this whole "add ads to the game" thing could bring to the industry and therefore to us gamers. If gamers silently accept it (what they usually do) goodnight immersive gaming.

 

[kraspkibble]

make it free to play and then you can pull this shit. i paid full price for it and i don't want ads.

for people who paid full price they should be given what ever bonus content the ads bring.

 

[Nymphae]

make it free to play and then you can pull this shit. i paid full price for it and i don't want ads.

for people who paid full price they should be given what ever bonus content the ads bring.

You don't have to have ads, are people even reading?

 

[Fuz]

You don't have to have ads, are people even reading?

"You don't have to have ads" but you'll be pratically forced by the slow grind if you deactivate them.

 

[Nymphae]

And you can be sure that going forward you will absolutely need to activate ads to reduce unsufferable grinds

"You don't have to have ads" but you'll be pratically forced by the slow grind if you deactivate them.

Why are you grinding in a Street Fighter game for anything other than skill? Who cares about dressing up a virtual doll. They start locking Critical Arts behind paywalls and we have a problem. I can't get outraged at this when the whole AE game is there without having to pay a dime on top of your purchase price.

And also, no one seems to bat an eye at all of the other fighters with shitty DLC, which provide no way to grind for that content. I don't understand why people hate the one game that does let you purchase DLC with your time and not money. Could the FM rates be better? Sure! But after single player content FM earnings, you have enough to buy several characters. Show me another fighter that does that for their DLC.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

If your enjoyment of a fighting game depends on the costume your opponent is wearing, then you probably shouldn't be playing fighting games.

 

[zwiggelbig]

Yes but it kept getting worse....right now it's insane compared to what it was before...if you give corporations an inch they will go a mile

every single video on youtube now has a starting ad.. crazy

 

[Morinaga]

I'm interested to see how it will turn out. If its the costumes and background scene stuff, then whatever.

If it ends up like "Buy flash for all your kitchen needs" 2 minute ad before a fight, then that's a bit different.

If it is costumes, depending what it is then it could be pretty cool.

See what happens I guess.

 

[hariseldon]

How did we go from buying a game and getting the whole thing for one price through not accepting horse armour because it was bullshit to gamer's advocating in favour of ads in a game they paid full-price for, with microtransactions for random shit? Have we become, to borrow from the alt-right (sorry - can't stand the fuckers but in this case the term fits), a bunch of cucks?

 

[Fuz]

Why are you grinding in a Street Fighter game for anything other than skill? Who cares about dressing up a virtual doll. They start locking Critical Arts behind paywalls and we have a problem. I can't get outraged at this when the whole AE game is there without having to pay a dime on top of your purchase price.

And also, no one seems to bat an eye at all of the other fighters with shitty DLC, which provide no way to grind for that content. I don't understand why people hate the one game that does let you purchase DLC with your time and not money. Could the FM rates be better? Sure! But after single player content FM earnings, you have enough to buy several characters. Show me another fighter that does that for their DLC.

If your enjoyment of a fighting game depends on the costume your opponent is wearing, then you probably shouldn't be playing fighting games.

How can you people STILL not fucking understand the point?

I give up. Gamers deserve this shitty business practices we have.

 

[DonF]

As many have stated, I hate free 2 play monetization tactics in full priced games. Its just tacky.

Don't accept this shit, or it will only spread.

 

[Nymphae]

How can you people STILL don't fucking understand the point?

I give up. Gamers deserve this shitty business practices we have.

To reiterate:

They start locking Critical Arts behind paywalls and we have a problem

I'm sorry the dresses for your virtual doll require grinding. I'll be over here enjoying the gameplay I payed for and got.

 

[Elcid]

My God so much outrage over nothing. This game is not a MMO, they do not get revenue monthly from subscriptions. They need a way to keep paying their developers and a way to maintain their servers. And those who bought the game USED then Capcom got dick from you but they still have to service you. Most of you crying outrage probably don't even play this game so why let yourself get so flustered? I play this game almost daily and have since launch. A little logo on a glove or in a stage is not going to bother me and if it does I CAN TURN IT OFF.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

How can you people STILL don't fucking understand the point?

I give up. Gamers deserve this shitty business practices we have.

Yes, you should give up crying over nothing.

 

[hariseldon]

To the corporation white knights - do you honestly think, given the history of these things, that ads in a full-priced game with microtransactions will stop only at this level which you have decided is acceptable? Can you be sure that this won't spread to other games where, shock-horror, you might end up with ads that affect you?

 

[Nymphae]

To the corporation white knights - do you honestly think, given the history of these things, that ads in a full-priced game with microtransactions will stop only at this level which you have decided is acceptable? Can you be sure that this won't spread to other games where, shock-horror, you might end up with ads that affect you?

When/where it's a problem, I won't support it. This is not a problem. Again:

They start locking Critical Arts behind paywalls and we have a problem

Ads can be turned off and dresses do not need to be purchased (but unlike other fighters, can be purchased via a grind if you so choose), still not seeing the problem here.

 

[abstract alien]

You can have them display the ads and receive fight money, or not have the ads displayed and everything is normal? That's the sum of it right?

 

[Nymphae]

You can have them display the ads and receive fight money, or not have the ads displayed and everything is normal? That's the sum of it right?

You should still receive FM like normal without ads, but it sounds like you'll get more with ads on.

 

[abstract alien]

You should still receive FM like normal without ads, but it sounds like you'll get more with ads on.

If this is the case, what issue are people having? They can turn it off if they don't want the ads for extra fight money.

 

[Nymphae]

If this is the case, what issue are people having? They can turn it off if they don't want the ads for extra fight money.

Read the posts, people are outraged that ads are even being considered for a game people have already payed money for. Will set bad precedent and Capcom will stick ads in everything going forward. I'll personally just leave them off if they become annoying, tbh I don't even really need FM but having all of the stages would be nice so I'll try this for a bit to see how much more FM I earn.

 

[azz0r]

We have to resist this crap.

 

[JunkerWoland]

To each their own, of course, but this is not a practice with which I agree for full priced games, even more so for products already built around regular-paid DLC updates.

 

[lock2k]

If your enjoyment of a fighting game depends on the costume your opponent is wearing, then you probably shouldn't be playing fighting games.

Weak argument.

All the things related to the fighting game matter. Street Fighter is iconic. It has great characters. Most of the people that were first drawn to play it were not playing for competitive reasons. They were playing because they wanted to wreck shit up with a crew of cool characters. If visuals did not matter we would be playing fighting games competitively with stick figures and we would call it a day.

 

[ReBurn]

Pretty sad to see Capcom sink this low. I mean, I get it since this game was created for the esports scene and advertising pays for much of the tournament system. I just wish that this wasn't a mainline entry in the series. If it were an esports edition intended to help support competitions I could probably go along with it. But introducing it into the game years after release is just terrible.

I uninstalled it and won't be playing it any more. It's great that people can opt out, but I shouldn't have to opt out of ads in a game I've already paid for.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Weak argument.

All the things related to the fighting game matter. Street Fighter is iconic. It has great characters. Most of the people that were first drawn to play it were not playing for competitive reasons. They were playing because they wanted to wreck shit up with a crew of cool characters. If visuals did not matter we would be playing fighting games competitively with stick figures and we would call it a day.

Not at all a 'weak' argument' since gameplay literally makes or breaks a fighting game; there's a reason why there's so few of them that are successful. And even then they are still very much targeting a niche audience.
This is also the reason why we can rate which entries we like better in a series; not because vega keeps switching between blond and brunet, but because in the end the gameplay dictates if we'll be coming back or not.
K-brad doesn't prefer SF4 because cammy looks better there (she doesn't). Neither do any of the players who prefer SF5 do so because the costume selection.

 

[lock2k]

Not at all a 'weak' argument' since gameplay literally makes or breaks a fighting game; there's a reason why there's so few of them that are successful. And even then they are still very much targeting a niche audience.
This is also the reason why we can rate which entries we like better in a series; not because vega keeps switching between blond and brunet, but because in the end the gameplay dictates if we'll be coming back or not.
K-brad doesn't prefer SF4 because cammy looks better there (she doesn't). Neither do any of the players who prefer SF5 do so because the costume selection.

The biggest fighting game franchise is MK. Strip the visuals out of MK and see if it sells as much as it does.

Let's launch stick figure fighter for the ultra hardcore!