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[thelastword]

I would say the same if i had no more arguments.

Just bonkers really, how could someone be so uniformed and yet try to lead the charge????

This is what he said on PSNOW....

"This is true, but it's a substandard service that hasnt made many advancements in that time frame. And it's more expensive than the competition."

So, what other console manufacturer is streaming games and what prices do they do it at? He is dealing in facts right? How many games do they offer on said service, what are the latency tests compared to PSNOW.....Where are the facts? Not the FODDER or plain LIES.....

Is this it?

"You gotta face facts: Sony is going to struggle with Cloud technology and they'll be up against behemoths next gen when streaming arrives. That's not fanboy shit. Those are facts."

Such a factual statement, a soothsayer and a Miss Cleo of next gen events, full with verafied and proven information ... Sony is going to struggle with Cloud Tech?......Yeesh!.....No wonder MS is fooling such persons at will.....You just can't be that much under the eight ball......That's like struggling to get Miss Piggy next door in Detroit, but you're all shroomed up thinking about Sandra Bullock in Beverly Hills....It's not happening...

It's the same way people were going on about MS's OS capabilities, but their console OS is all types of convoluted compared to PS4's. The makers of Direct-X will not be out-programmed they said, but they can't program great games for their base all generation and they're asking for time to prove themselves next gen with a bunch of new acquires that struggle to even hit a 70% meta for the most part.....All this talk about a vapor streaming service, just like the vaporized power of the cloud games with access to unlimited compute power, promised since 2013TM.....

You can't hype what does not exist, it's what MS has ben doing all gen, dedicated servers for all games, True 4k, no upscaling, no checkerboarding, the AAA games are coming, yet, Ori and SLT are those games....Power of the cloud is coming since 2013, it gives you unlimited power, the XB-ONE is only the conduit.....

Truth is, when MS starts delivering, the gamers will come, I will be there.....If they continue this vapor hype with nothing to show, either functional or running, it only means they have nothing, it's not rocket science....They are just following the same drill and target as they always have, just endless promises and hype, yet only delivering placebos and empty shells, just like they've been doing all generation.......Be hyped for more of the same if they don't start showing some games people actually want to play, games that are diverse and is of quality, and caters to a wider demographic.....Apart from the always online and dudebro crowd....which they felt was a good fit for their DRM policy in 2013......

 

[ZywyPL]

I stand by the fact that Microsoft can very much "Dominate" next gen with the landscape expanding like it is. This is why I think its incredibly short sighted for people to just assume Sony will dominate next gen too. With the way Microsoft are approaching next gen by all fronts (not to mention Amazon and Google making waves) I can't see them being the runaway success they were this generation -- even with their first party games.

Exactly - the whole world runs Windows, they already have BILLIONS of customers, encouraging just a few percent of this user base will result in the biggest gaming community the world has ever seen. That being said - nobody will dominate the market once we get into cloud-gaming, because how? In a hardwareless world, where people won't be tied to any specific platform, they will be able to pay for more than just one service - 10$ here, 15$ there, 8$ for another one. I don't want to sound overly optimistic, but in such a scenario, everyone will be the winner, both us consumers, as well as all the publishers.

 

[1inthechamber_]

Just bonkers really, how could someone be so uniformed and yet try to lead the charge????

This is what he said on PSNOW....

"This is true, but it's a substandard service that hasnt made many advancements in that time frame. And it's more expensive than the competition."

So, what other console manufacturer is streaming games and what prices do they do it at? He is dealing in facts right? How many games do they offer on said service, what are the latency tests compared to PSNOW.....Where are the facts? Not the FODDER or plain LIES.....

Is this it?

"You gotta face facts: Sony is going to struggle with Cloud technology and they'll be up against behemoths next gen when streaming arrives. That's not fanboy shit. Those are facts."

Such a factual statement, a soothsayer and a Miss Cleo of next gen events, full with verafied and proven information ... Sony is going to struggle with Cloud Tech?......Yeesh!.....No wonder MS is fooling such persons at will.....You just can't be that much under the eight ball......That's like struggling to get Miss Piggy next door in Detroit, but you're all shroomed up thinking about Sandra Bullock in Beverly Hills....It's not happening...

It's the same way people were going on about MS's OS capabilities, but their console OS is all types of convoluted compared to PS4's. The makers of Direct-X will not be out-programmed they said, but they can't program great games for their base all generation and they're asking for time to prove themselves next gen with a bunch of new acquires that struggle to even hit a 70% meta for the most part.....All this talk about a vapor streaming service, just like the vaporized power of the cloud games with access to unlimited compute power, promised since 2013TM.....

You can't hype what does not exist, it's what MS has ben doing all gen, dedicated servers for all games, True 4k, no upscaling, no checkerboarding, the AAA games are coming, yet, Ori and SLT are those games....Power of the cloud is coming since 2013, it gives you unlimited power, the XB-ONE is only the conduit.....

Truth is, when MS starts delivering, the gamers will come, I will be there.....If they continue this vapor hype with nothing to show, either functional or running, it only means they have nothing, it's not rocket science....They are just following the same drill and target as they always have, just endless promises and hype, yet only delivering placebos and empty shells, just like they've been doing all generation.......Be hyped for more of the same if they don't start showing some games people actually want to play, games that are diverse and is of quality, and caters to a wider demographic.....Apart from the always online and dudebro crowd....which they felt was a good fit for their DRM policy in 2013......

What basement did they find this one in?

 

[Nemesis Prime]

They have one guy from the original gears team leading the gear development crew and one from the original Halo at 343. But it doesn't mean shit if the games weren't just that one person's vision. Halo 4 and 5 were not bad games but they were shitty Halo games imo.

Gears 4 is just trash besides the campaign mode. So much bullshit with that one. Rod doesn't know what he's doing. The season pass was pointless as fuck and they gave more remakes than new maps. Not to mention the shitty netcode on and hit registration. It was fine at launch and the first patch broke it.

I can't comment on Gears as much as I've always been a very casual gears fan.

You are right tho, that is a factor as well. Took a quick look at some of the heads and directors for Halo 3, seems like a lot of them moved on from Bungie as well, many to work or create indie games. Which makes me wonder why 343/MS didn't make an attempt to hire these people, or if they did why did it not go through. Maybe they weren't interested in making Halo? Maybe they wanted to work on their own thing.

I'm trying to find out some development information on Halo Infinite because a lot of names have left 343, doesn't seem to be much information out

Edit: What I find interesting considering how many years its been since Halo 5, how little information there is with regards to who is working and leading on Halo Infinite. Maybe a lot more information will be revealed later

 

[1inthechamber_]

I can't comment on Gears as much as I've always been a very casual gears fan.

You are right tho, that is a factor as well. Took a quick look at some of the heads and directors for Halo 3, seems like a lot of them moved on from Bungie as well, many to work or create indie games. Which makes me wonder why 343/MS didn't make an attempt to hire these people, or if they did why did it not go through. Maybe they weren't interested in making Halo? Maybe they wanted to work on their own thing.

I'm trying to find out some development information on Halo Infinite because a lot of names have left 343, doesn't seem to be much information out

Honestly I have no hope for Halo Infinite as far as campaign. 5 was just such a mistake imo and I couldn't even go further than 2 chapters.

Mp on 5 was fun and I hope it only improves to recapture some of glory days of 2 and 3.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

Honestly I have no hope for Halo Infinite as far as campaign. 5 was just such a mistake imo and I couldn't even go further than 2 chapters.

Mp on 5 was fun and I hope it only improves to recapture some of glory days of 2 and 3.

Halo 5 is the only campaign I have not replayed yet. It's really odd because I don't know exactly what was bad (outside of story), and I thought there were 1 or 2 missions which were fun and open (the desert sanghelios map) but its such a cluster fuck that I can't even identify what I disliked about it.

You don't understand how badly I want them to just recapture those glory days you talk of.

 

[kingwingin]

Microsoft will crush it next gen.

The only thing lacking is exclusives and once those studios they bought start dropping bombs, it will be game over.

 

[1inthechamber_]

Halo 5 is the only campaign I have not replayed yet. It's really odd because I don't know exactly what was bad (outside of story), and I thought there were 1 or 2 missions which were fun and open (the desert sanghelios map) but its such a cluster fuck that I can't even identify what I disliked about it.

You don't understand how badly I want them to just recapture those glory days you talk of.

Thats what I look forward to. Halo 2 was my first online game. And it was only months before 3 came out that I started playing it cuz I was always a ps2 gamer.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Microsoft will crush it next gen.

The only thing lacking is exclusives and once those studios they bought start dropping bombs, it will be game over.

This viewpoint is nothing new. There were also people who said X1 would dominate. Then, when it didn't, they said the reason was because "Sony was only capitalizing on Microsoft's mistakes. If it wasn't for that pesky Don Mattrick..."

Maybe Sony is just a good game company and Microsoft is incapable of matching them so far? It's always excuses for why Microsoft fails. It's always excuses for why Sony succeeds.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

Thats what I look forward to. Halo 2 was my first online game. And it was only months before 3 came out that I started playing it cuz I was always a ps2 gamer.

I hopped on a bit later than you. Xbox was never big in my school, and I was a big PS3 gamer at the time. Tried Halo 3 for the first time at a neighbors and I ended up going over often to play, it was unlike anything I've ever played before.

Finally copped the 360 around the time ODST came out so most of my proper solo experience was with Reach, but even that was far more enjoyable than anything I've played by 343 (except MCC, I've got like 150 hours on that)

 

[onQ123]

I'll just sit this here


Your predictions for The Big Three at the end of The Next Generation. (2012)

 

[ruvikx]

Halo 5 is the only campaign I have not replayed yet.

Halo 5's squad commands in the single player was (for me) one of the absolute worst design decisions I've ever seen, taking away fun & turning it into a babysitting simulator where we constantly worry about the how & where of squadmates in a gunfight.

As for the topic, I don't believe Microsoft can dominate unless Sony sabotages itself (which isn't impossible, with an over emphasis on VR for example). People are now entrenched with their profiles, trophies, friends & console "ecosystem" of choice ergo when it's time to upgrade, they'll stick with the PlayStation brand unless there's a serious reason "why" the Xbox is better (a huge tech advantage, namely).

 

[Armorian]

Microsoft will crush it next gen.

The only thing lacking is exclusives and once those studios they bought start dropping bombs, it will be game over.

You mean sales bombs? We don't know if any of those studios would make good games, remember that SSM lost few years of development on (apparently) bad game, they canceled the project and started making GOW so even best studios aren't immune on making medicore games that won't sell. We know Halo and GeOW are not selling like they used to so MS really don't have any big selling Ip right now (Minecraft? LOL), Sony lost GT too (they fucked it with Sports).

 

[Nemesis Prime]

Halo 5's squad commands in the single player was (for me) one of the absolute worst design decisions I've ever seen, taking away fun & turning it into a babysitting simulator where we constantly worry about the how & where of squadmates in a gunfight.

Which I don't understand because it could have been so much better. Didn't they get one of the directors from that Star wars republic commando game. Never played it but the squad gameplay looked so much better there.

As for the topic, I don't believe Microsoft can dominate unless Sony sabotages itself (which isn't impossible, with an over emphasis on VR for example). People are now entrenched with their profiles, trophies, friends & console "ecosystem" of choice ergo when it's time to upgrade, they'll stick with the PlayStation brand unless there's a serious reason "why" the Xbox is better (a huge tech advantage, namely).

For sure

 

[Lort]

Its easy to see that obviously there is some question marks for Sonys future, like when Apple gave up on custom hardware the future is no longer about some unreality field where the hardware is better. Its commody hardware with few customisations and in the console space MS hardware engineers AND software engineers are ahead of Sony.

Sonys future is releasing games for all platforms exaclty like MS does right now. For those who think exclusivity and hardware is Sonys future ... and the horse you rode in on.

 

[Armorian]

We have at least one generation when console hardware sales will be enough - true 4K generation (so PS5 and X4). And with traditional consoles "PS is poised to dominate the next console generation", I don't see any way for MS to catch up WW.

Streaming futere after that? Yeah I don't want that - looks like PC will be my platform of choice (just like it is right now ). And something about MS software engineers - I still read many opinions on how bad X1 OS is and W10 (I'm using it right now) is still inconsistent and full of bugs.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Again, people are insinuating too much for Microsoft’s and Sony’s future. Like we have crystal balls or something. I also heard backwards compability and Gamepass will surge sales. Now cloud gaming is the big thing? Sony fans could also claim that Sony’s new acquisitions and enhanced VR will guarantee them more amazing exclusives and domination with PS5 with and PSNow and no one can compete.

Why don’t we wait until the consoles are released before making so many baseless assumptions? Cloud gaming could very well put Microsoft in a great position next generation, but Sony or even Nintendo could introduce something just as monumental. It probably will be a closer race, but saying Microsoft will dominate all next generation is a bit of a stretch imo considering Microsoft has NEVER came close to dominating a generation before.

 

[Aurelian]

Its easy to see that obviously there is some question marks for Sonys future, like when Apple gave up on custom hardware the future is no longer about some unreality field where the hardware is better. Its commody hardware with few customisations and in the console space MS hardware engineers AND software engineers are ahead of Sony.

Sonys future is releasing games for all platforms exaclty like MS does right now. For those who think exclusivity and hardware is Sonys future ... and the horse you rode in on.

Apple isn't really the best analogy here, since its mobile devices all use extensive custom silicon (it's why the iPad Pro is faster than most new Windows laptops), and it's rumored to switch Macs to ARM when it thinks the hardware is powerful enough. Mind you, that's partly because the technology really is making leaps forward in performance while Intel is still offering small iterations on Skylake.

 

[DForce]

Exactly - the whole world runs Windows, they already have BILLIONS of customers, encouraging just a few percent of this user base will result in the biggest gaming community the world has ever seen. That being said - nobody will dominate the market once we get into cloud-gaming, because how? In a hardwareless world, where people won't be tied to any specific platform, they will be able to pay for more than just one service - 10$ here, 15$ there, 8$ for another one. I don't want to sound overly optimistic, but in such a scenario, everyone will be the winner, both us consumers, as well as all the publishers.

Windows platform is not exclusive to MS. Amazon, Google and Sony (with PS Now) will run their products through Windows. I tried PS Now and their streaming service and it runs great , but the only issues I came across was from PS3 games, but PS4 titles ran great.

Mobile will be an issue for most and if these streaming boxes that might be available next gen are hardwired, I don't see much of an issue for Sony. If they're improving their cloud tech, then I can only see them going up from here.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Also, saying Sony will struggle with cloud gaming next generation is like me saying Microsoft will always struggle with exclusives and software. How do we know?

 

[Mr Hyde]

I'll just sit this here

I love these prediction threads. There is so much gold in those failed outcomes. Like these.

"The PS4 will do worse than the VITA, they have lost to much brand recognition, exclusives and they have IPs noone gives a shit about besides nerds on the internet. Coupled with no backwards compatibility (due to the abandonment of the Cell), Sony is destined for last place again. Failing all that, the PS4 will be $499-$549 and we will get a repeat of the PS3 but this time it will be much worse."

"Nintendo: Strong first place, double the other two in sales. I think Wii U is going to be the lead platform for multiplat games much like the PS2 was for games in it's generation."

" 1. Microsoft
2. Nintendo
3. PC\Steam

Sony dead."

"Microsoft:
Will have even more success with a bundled-from-the-start Kinect 2. Will be the lead platform for third-party games from Western devs again. Will overtake Wii U sales in North America. Will be largely ignored in Japan. Will be king of multimedia living rooms."

"Sony:

Dead, well almost, in the worst case scenario they will go 3rd party like they have with their PS1 games now running in Android, the Playstation brand will be licensed out or they will follow SEGA's model."

Pure gold I tell you!

 

[onQ123]

I love these prediction threads. There is so much gold in those failed outcomes. Like these.

"The PS4 will do worse than the VITA, they have lost to much brand recognition, exclusives and they have IPs noone gives a shit about besides nerds on the internet. Coupled with no backwards compatibility (due to the abandonment of the Cell), Sony is destined for last place again. Failing all that, the PS4 will be $499-$549 and we will get a repeat of the PS3 but this time it will be much worse."

"Nintendo: Strong first place, double the other two in sales. I think Wii U is going to be the lead platform for multiplat games much like the PS2 was for games in it's generation."

" 1. Microsoft
2. Nintendo
3. PC\Steam

Sony dead."

"Microsoft:
Will have even more success with a bundled-from-the-start Kinect 2. Will be the lead platform for third-party games from Western devs again. Will overtake Wii U sales in North America. Will be largely ignored in Japan. Will be king of multimedia living rooms."

"Sony:

Dead, well almost, in the worst case scenario they will go 3rd party like they have with their PS1 games now running in Android, the Playstation brand will be licensed out or they will follow SEGA's model."

Pure gold I tell you!

LOL

 

[Shin]

I don't think streaming will ever be a viable option even if games were to be half the price of psychical/digital download.
I'm saying that as someone rocking an optic fibre connection, routing, hops, distance all come into play no matter what smoothing/buffer/anti-lag tech anyone comes with.
Reading about cloud this cloud that, streaming and so on, I can't help but feel like it's like a Samsung marketing level of bullshit (their 8K upscaling, QLED, fake foto's etc etc.)

 

[PocoJoe]

I asked this from my ps4 gaming group(67 answers):
3 would buy next xbox and ps5, rest could not care less even if it is more powerful than ps5.

Small sample, but in many countries xbox is basically just a fifa machine for minority and most just like PlayStation no matter what happens

 

[//DEVIL//]

1- IMHO MS killed them selves the minute they announced their games will be on PC day one for me. I know what others will say how more people playing and buying the game is better. and I agree. I am enjoying MS games on my PC. so they already got my money on the software side. but when it comes to hardware ? the Xbox Two can be 10 times more powerful than the PS5 and I will still not buy it. ill just play their games on PC.

Hell even if I have a mid range laptop or PC, If it run the game fine on low or mid, I will still save my ass some money on the hardware .

2- MS bought some questionable studios this year.. like... really bad studios.. which makes you wonder what kind of output they are expecting from these guys ? Sony success was based on the awesome talent they have. all of their games look stunning even compared to high end PC games because of the animation / art direction / Story driven etc. MS output should match that if they want to have a chance next generation.

3- this is a subjective matter as well. but I do believe being the most powerful console early on helps establish the userbase. if I have 400$ to spend on a console. ill look for the console that the games I want the most. if both consoles have good games I want, then I will just look at the console that has better specs to enjoy these games . why one would spend 400 on a console to play weaker graphics if the other console with the same price play them better ?

 

[Lort]

Apple isn't really the best analogy here, since its mobile devices all use extensive custom silicon (it's why the iPad Pro is faster than most new Windows laptops), and it's rumored to switch Macs to ARM when it thinks the hardware is powerful enough. Mind you, that's partly because the technology really is making leaps forward in performance while Intel is still offering small iterations on Skylake.

Good point i ment Apple changing macs to run on intel. The ipad and Apple ARM are very strong and completly custom.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Xbox games on PC was a good opportunity for Microsoft. If they avoid RROD and can distribute AAA correctly (Background downloading, legible loading screen font etc.) than can be the best of the bunch.

 

[Foxbat]

I suppose only time will tell if Sony can keep up in the streaming games department. I see many people here saying that Sony won't have a problem, because they can just use AWS, Azure, or Google, etc... Is anyone here intricately familiar with how streaming games works?

From what little I know, there has to be hardware modifications made at the servers. It's not as easy as Sony just calling up Amazon or Rackspace, and ordering cloud game streaming. There has to be hardware installed. If Sony wants to compete, they're going to have to upgrade infrastructure. Either thier own, or someone else's.

It's for this simple reason why some people believe that Sony will have a hard time competing.

 

[AgentP]

Microsoft will crush it next gen.

The only thing lacking is exclusives and once those studios they bought start dropping bombs, it will be game over.

That what I'm worried about. MS rushing the B teams and then dumping them when they drop bombs. Buying developers does not mean you have a golden goose, it just means you have more mouths to feed and more opportunity to screw it up.

 

[thelastword]

I'll just sit this here


Your predictions for The Big Three at the end of The Next Generation. (2012)

All you need to read is the third post.....

"Sony will be vaporized, that's all I know."

Well the second and third, because the poster after the OP said, it won't be the big 3 after this gen is done and the concensus on the first page was that Sony would drop out of the race........
Somethings never change I guess..... The world is a cycle.....

 

[onQ123]

All you need to read is the third post.....

"Sony will be vaporized, that's all I know."

Well the second and third, because the poster after the OP said, it won't be the big 3 after this gen is done and the concensus on the first page was that Sony would drop out of the race........
Somethings never change I guess..... The world is a cycle.....

But check this out


MICROSOFT OR SONY TO QUIT CONSOLE RACE? "Not all of the current console makers will have one more generation," claims online service.

Cloud gaming service Gaikai has made the bold prediction that either Sony or Microsoft will quit the console race during E3. Speaking at CES, Gaikai chief product officer Nanea Reeves claimed that "not all of the current console makers will have one more generation. That will be the big news at E3."

Few months later

Sony buys Gaikai cloud gaming service for $380 million

 

[kevin_trinh]

I love these prediction threads. There is so much gold in those failed outcomes. Like these.

"The PS4 will do worse than the VITA, they have lost to much brand recognition, exclusives and they have IPs noone gives a shit about besides nerds on the internet. Coupled with no backwards compatibility (due to the abandonment of the Cell), Sony is destined for last place again. Failing all that, the PS4 will be $499-$549 and we will get a repeat of the PS3 but this time it will be much worse."

"Nintendo: Strong first place, double the other two in sales. I think Wii U is going to be the lead platform for multiplat games much like the PS2 was for games in it's generation."

" 1. Microsoft
2. Nintendo
3. PC\Steam

Sony dead."

"Microsoft:
Will have even more success with a bundled-from-the-start Kinect 2. Will be the lead platform for third-party games from Western devs again. Will overtake Wii U sales in North America. Will be largely ignored in Japan. Will be king of multimedia living rooms."

"Sony:

Dead, well almost, in the worst case scenario they will go 3rd party like they have with their PS1 games now running in Android, the Playstation brand will be licensed out or they will follow SEGA's model."

Pure gold I tell you!

I laughed my ass off =))) Poor @ Gavon West Xbox fanboi has been shutdown really hard lul

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I love these prediction threads. There is so much gold in those failed outcomes. Like these.

"The PS4 will do worse than the VITA, they have lost to much brand recognition, exclusives and they have IPs noone gives a shit about besides nerds on the internet. Coupled with no backwards compatibility (due to the abandonment of the Cell), Sony is destined for last place again. Failing all that, the PS4 will be $499-$549 and we will get a repeat of the PS3 but this time it will be much worse."

"Nintendo: Strong first place, double the other two in sales. I think Wii U is going to be the lead platform for multiplat games much like the PS2 was for games in it's generation."

" 1. Microsoft
2. Nintendo
3. PC\Steam

Sony dead."

"Microsoft:
Will have even more success with a bundled-from-the-start Kinect 2. Will be the lead platform for third-party games from Western devs again. Will overtake Wii U sales in North America. Will be largely ignored in Japan. Will be king of multimedia living rooms."

"Sony:

Dead, well almost, in the worst case scenario they will go 3rd party like they have with their PS1 games now running in Android, the Playstation brand will be licensed out or they will follow SEGA's model."

Pure gold I tell you!

LOL. That’s this thread in a nutshell.

 

[Gavon West]

I laughed my ass off =))) Poor @ Gavon West Xbox fanboi has been shutdown really hard lul

Fucking Christ you guys go hard with the drama. No one said Sony was going to bow out of the race. No one even hinted at it - I sure as hell didnt. I said Sony will have a challenge next gen and Microsoft doesnt need to sell a shit load of hardware to dominate - and they dont. None of what I said is set in stone, other than Microsoft having the edge over Sony with Cloud streaming, and its true.

 

[Armorian]

I suppose only time will tell if Sony can keep up in the streaming games department. I see many people here saying that Sony won't have a problem, because they can just use AWS, Azure, or Google, etc... Is anyone here intricately familiar with how streaming games works?

From what little I know, there has to be hardware modifications made at the servers. It's not as easy as Sony just calling up Amazon or Rackspace, and ordering cloud game streaming. There has to be hardware installed. If Sony wants to compete, they're going to have to upgrade infrastructure. Either thier own, or someone else's.

It's for this simple reason why some people believe that Sony will have a hard time competing.

In order to do cloud game streaming you need to have ACTUAL CONSOLE HARDWARE (or similiary specd pcs) to render the games just like in home, that's milions of dollars and 1 unit (so console in other words) = 1 player, no matter if it's from streaming unit or smartphone. Add enormous electricity bills as servers build from power hungry hardware drains few times more electricity than normal ones.

I don't think monthly fee is gonna cut amount of resources company has to invest to make it happen, people will probably pay for access per game.

 

[TLZ]

I'll just sit this here


Your predictions for The Big Three at the end of The Next Generation. (2012)

Thanks for the comedy. History repeating itself.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Oh man I love these predictions just nobody knows what are they based on. MS bombed so hard this generation. The PS3 had a rocky start first 2 maybe even 3 years and by the generations end it was head to head with the xbox. Xbox one is still half the sales of the PS4 and we are coming to an end and no, MS wont make some amazing new IP to push even more ONE sales. Whatever big guns they have, they will leave for next gen to come out swinging. Problem is SONY already saw how bad it can get when they go way too far with the PS3, so I doubt they'll ever let themselves fall in that position again and they have so much going for them, I dont expect them to run out of amazing new games. Hell, you know TLOU2 and Death Stranding will be cross-gen. Just those 2 games promoting the new hardware can make major sales. Hopefully this means we will be getting a proper head to head gaming war of new IPs...hopefully.

 

[iHaunter]

Wonder how much they got paid.

Consoles are irrelevant, it's the games that matter. Sony has too many IPs and too many good studios, I don't care what the hardware/software is. Microsoft can't match at the moment.

 

[Snake29]

I suppose only time will tell if Sony can keep up in the streaming games department. I see many people here saying that Sony won't have a problem, because they can just use AWS, Azure, or Google, etc... Is anyone here intricately familiar with how streaming games works?

From what little I know, there has to be hardware modifications made at the servers. It's not as easy as Sony just calling up Amazon or Rackspace, and ordering cloud game streaming. There has to be hardware installed. If Sony wants to compete, they're going to have to upgrade infrastructure. Either thier own, or someone else's.

It's for this simple reason why some people believe that Sony will have a hard time competing.

Ever heard about PSNOW? It already runs several years with dedicated costum hardware and software virtualisation. Sony is expanding that same service for the coming years.

 

[Bogroll]

1- IMHO MS killed them selves the minute they announced their games will be on PC day one for me. I know what others will say how more people playing and buying the game is better. and I agree. I am enjoying MS games on my PC. so they already got my money on the software side. but when it comes to hardware ? the Xbox Two can be 10 times more powerful than the PS5 and I will still not buy it. ill just play their games on PC.

Hell even if I have a mid range laptop or PC, If it run the game fine on low or mid, I will still save my ass some money on the hardware .

2- MS bought some questionable studios this year.. like... really bad studios.. which makes you wonder what kind of output they are expecting from these guys ? Sony success was based on the awesome talent they have. all of their games look stunning even compared to high end PC games because of the animation / art direction / Story driven etc. MS output should match that if they want to have a chance next generation.

3- this is a subjective matter as well. but I do believe being the most powerful console early on helps establish the userbase. if I have 400$ to spend on a console. ill look for the console that the games I want the most. if both consoles have good games I want, then I will just look at the console that has better specs to enjoy these games . why one would spend 400 on a console to play weaker graphics if the other console with the same price play them better ?

Your 1st point could also apply to Sony in the future with their play on any device announcement. (depending how it pans out)

 

[ZywyPL]

Oh man I love these predictions just nobody knows what are they based on. MS bombed so hard this generation. The PS3 had a rocky start first 2 maybe even 3 years and by the generations end it was head to head with the xbox. Xbox one is still half the sales of the PS4 and we are coming to an end and no, MS wont make some amazing new IP to push even more ONE sales. Whatever big guns they have, they will leave for next gen to come out swinging. Problem is SONY already saw how bad it can get when they go way too far with the PS3, so I doubt they'll ever let themselves fall in that position again and they have so much going for them, I don't expect them to run out of amazing new games. Hell, you know TLOU2 and Death Stranding will be cross-gen. Just those 2 games promoting the new hardware can make major sales. Hopefully this means we will be getting a proper head to head gaming war of new IPs...hopefully.

Will all due respect, but you are the one who has any idea what he is talking about - all you mention is hardware sales, which are somewhat irrelevant, as the companies don't make ANY money from the console sales - PS3/X360 were being sold at a loss, things have changed a little with PS4/XB1, but it's still literally just a dollar or two earned on each unit. It's the software that matters, it always have been. And if you would check the actual financial reports, you'd notice that MS is on par with Sony in earnings from the gaming departments, if not higher.

So you're actually right, most people in the thread don't have a slightest clue what are they discussing, they look at this, previous, or even 6th generation of consoles solely by the hardware sales numbers, which just couldn't be any more false view on the entire picture. People say that MS is paying extra for the interest since OG XB and will continue to do so until they start making a serious revenue, but they already do for a long time, billions of dollars each year, that's why they are in for all those years. PS3, another example - sure it eventually did catch up with X360 in sales, even surpassed it, but the console was generating over three BILLIONS of loss each year for half of it's lifespan, PS3 is the sole reason the entire company got restructured and why they even the divisions that weren't making huge enough earnings that could fill that hole.

I think many people (dare I say, fanboys) here misunderstood the thread "MS might dominate" as "MS surely will dominate", and got triggered, and the topic went out of control and turned out into yet another childish console war...

 

[SaucyJack]

This viewpoint is nothing new. There were also people who said X1 would dominate. Then, when it didn't, they said the reason was because "Sony was only capitalizing on Microsoft's mistakes. If it wasn't for that pesky Don Mattrick..."

Maybe Sony is just a good game company and Microsoft is incapable of matching them so far? It's always excuses for why Microsoft fails. It's always excuses for why Sony succeeds.

Sony have “won” 3 of the 4 video game generations that they’ve been in and were runner up to a fad in the other despite many missteps.

They’ve done this, IMO, by consistently having a variety of games that people want to play as well as supporting their old consoles into the new generation. As a result they have a loyal global fan base that will continue to buy their consoles.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Sony have “won” 3 of the 4 video game generations that they’ve been in and were runner up to a fad in the other despite many missteps.

They’ve done this, IMO, by consistently having a variety of games that people want to play as well as supporting their old consoles into the new generation. As a result they have a loyal global fan base that will continue to buy their consoles.

This is an argument that has been repeated over and over, you are right. They massively won all generations but one and in that one they did not win they came a “reasonably close” second overall even though they launched very late.... but of course with Sony it is always just luck... .

 

[thelastword]

But check this out


MICROSOFT OR SONY TO QUIT CONSOLE RACE? "Not all of the current console makers will have one more generation," claims online service.






Few months later

Sony buys Gaikai cloud gaming service for $380 million

Ha, the irony of it all....

 

[mckmas8808]

I suppose only time will tell if Sony can keep up in the streaming games department. I see many people here saying that Sony won't have a problem, because they can just use AWS, Azure, or Google, etc... Is anyone here intricately familiar with how streaming games works?

From what little I know, there has to be hardware modifications made at the servers. It's not as easy as Sony just calling up Amazon or Rackspace, and ordering cloud game streaming. There has to be hardware installed. If Sony wants to compete, they're going to have to upgrade infrastructure. Either thier own, or someone else's.

It's for this simple reason why some people believe that Sony will have a hard time competing.

You can stream PS2, PS3, and PS4 games RIGHT NOW! They are LITERALLY ahead of the game when comparing them to Microsoft. Now can MS catch them and even pass Sony? Yes, but lets stop taking the marketing hype from MS and talking about as if they are already doing it.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Microsoft will crush it next gen.

The only thing lacking is exclusives and once those studios they bought start dropping bombs, it will be game over.

20 years from now, there will be another like you spewing game over nonsense but with same results, just like you are now and there has been all these past years . The fact is Sony is just good at what they do and tht is making good hardware and great software.

Also the ppl tht conveniently act like Psnow doesnt exist in every thread is just incredible. Sony has been taking the lead in streaming solution for years just like they have for console VR. They are on top of their game and if ppl think they wont evolve it and be a major player during the years you just have never been paying attention and have a narrative riddled with holes.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Your 1st point could also apply to Sony in the future with their play on any device announcement. (depending how it pans out)

If Sony games on their PC ? Hell yeah I will not touch the ps5 as well. Same goes for Nintendo too. .

At the end of the day I consider my PC as a gaming console . And that console is giving me a more powerful Xbox games. So I don't need to really buy the X .

But I highly doubt Sony will release their games anywhere else outside of their consoles range. So you are still forced to buy their hardware .

 

[Snake29]

I hope for some around here that Microsoft will disappoint them really hard next-gen.

Microsoft will crush it next gen.

Looks more like MS crushed some Xfans brain cells lately with their marketing hype around everything next-gen.

The arrogance and dumbness is truly laughable.

 

[thelastword]

I love these prediction threads. There is so much gold in those failed outcomes. Like these.

"The PS4 will do worse than the VITA, they have lost to much brand recognition, exclusives and they have IPs noone gives a shit about besides nerds on the internet. Coupled with no backwards compatibility (due to the abandonment of the Cell), Sony is destined for last place again. Failing all that, the PS4 will be $499-$549 and we will get a repeat of the PS3 but this time it will be much worse."

"Nintendo: Strong first place, double the other two in sales. I think Wii U is going to be the lead platform for multiplat games much like the PS2 was for games in it's generation."

" 1. Microsoft
2. Nintendo
3. PC\Steam

Sony dead."

"Microsoft:
Will have even more success with a bundled-from-the-start Kinect 2. Will be the lead platform for third-party games from Western devs again. Will overtake Wii U sales in North America. Will be largely ignored in Japan. Will be king of multimedia living rooms."

"Sony:

Dead, well almost, in the worst case scenario they will go 3rd party like they have with their PS1 games now running in Android, the Playstation brand will be licensed out or they will follow SEGA's model."

Pure gold I tell you!

I know that thread was full of gold, but I can't carry all that....I just read the first page and was satisfied at post #3.....Yet, that post that you quoted is so similar to certain sentiments in "this here thread".........It's so similar to the writing style of a poster in this thread too....

Then rinse and repeat, when SONY waxes the competition next gen, we're back to "MS fouled up and gave SONY the win by not using it's X-cloud capability to the fullest, or a myriad of other excuses".....Like "MS had the studios but they did not produce the quality games like Sony did, they had the talent to 1up Sony but they squandered"....Then FF to 4 years into next gen, more hyperbole from MS and it's fans about X-Cloud 2.0, Samepass and Az-not so-Zure, We-still-doing-E3.... and here's the Adaptive Controller X-treme......Booyah!..the competition is done....Essentially, whatever MS comes up with to start another hype train that leads to a dead end......

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

I'll just sit this here


Your predictions for The Big Three at the end of The Next Generation. (2012)

Reads like wishful thinking. Lots of them wanted Sony to fail.