I was banned once for saying Sony devs are SJW friendly on Gaf despite ND and a few other Sony Devs sucked Era trans dick since its creation.
Where was ERA when Hatred and Agony came out?.
Yikes! I'm so angry right now. I'm literally shaking. SMH I need to calm down.
btw Naked Gun was on TV yesterday and there's no way you could show a scene like this in a new movie
It will incite real life transphobia, that‘s why. Or so the claim goes. Same with sexualization of women.So what? I haven't played the game but if it happens to be transphobic in its message, then so fucking what? You are not forced to buy a game. People are also free to make a game that's 100% pro transsexual in its messaging and people are then free to support, ignore or hate on that as well. Just because this game has an opinion doesn't make it invalid, just as other games are free to have diametric opinions on the same matter that are just as valid.
If we start censoring every opinion to adhere to some "societal standard", then we should abolish discussion and any democratic values as well, while we're at it. If you get offended by a game (that, again, you are not forced to buy. You can even ignore it!), then introspect why that is.
I do agree, when I posted the article I actually wanted to see how Gaf sees the changes in Catherine Full Body.You should probably stop giving their outrage campaigns any kind of relevancy and spotlight.
That's actually an interesting point. You are right, it is basically similar to the claim that violent video games might incite violent behaviour. I remember when that was a huge discussion in politics in the early 2000s in Germany (part of the reasons why PAL box art do have this ugly, big USK logo now). I've always thought that arguments of that nature basically imply that people lack the ability to think for themselves (which is what our school system touts to equip the pupils with...). You are also right that you can't say "bullshit!" to the violence claim and then claim "it incites transphobic behaviour!". That is certainly an interesting connection I haven't thought of.It will incite real life transphobia, that‘s why. Or so the claim goes. Same with sexualization of women.
It‘s kinda funny this argument is used here as we‘ve been fighting against the claimed influence of video games since the dawn of the medium when it comes to violence. So it‘s very interesting to see people saying stuff like in Cathrine will make people transphobic but on the other hand that game violence doesn‘t make people violent in real life. You can‘t have it both ways. Or well... Apparently you can if you look at what is happening at the moment.
I thought the original Catherine was fantastic and the inclusion of a trans character to be very brave on the developers part.I very much agree Era completely blows everything out of proportion and are completely blinded by their zealotry when it comes to such matters (I was banned for telling a rape victim he/she and fellow victims were the last people that should get to decide the punishment for such crimes), but the attitudes I see on display here are equally shameful, be it because you're just ignoring that transphonbia is an actual issue that does need addressing or the childish mentions of supporting the game even though you had no intention to do so beforehand just to spite the Era crowd.
There's this thing called Cognitive Behavior Therapy where they teach you to identify and get through certain dangerous or self destructive thought patterns. They use it to (effectively) treat eating disorders, depression, gambling, smoking, and mental illness. It is done by identifying certain patterns which are particularly unhealthy, and it seems that the people complaining about Catherine have just gone down the list of unhealthy thought patterns (cognitive distortions) and decided they take one of everything.
For example, catastrophizing. This is basically assuming the worst possible outcome, or that any negative outcome would be a catastrophy. In this case, I've seen people say that Catherine will literally lead to the murder of trans people.
Here's a list of cognitive distortions. See how many you can recognize. you might just get Bingo!
Filtering - magnifying the negative details while downplaying or ignoring the positive ones.
Polarized Thinking - Something is either all or nothing, with no shades in between.
Overgeneralization - Coming to a general conclusion based on a single piece of evidence.
Jumping to Conclusions - Assuming you know what others are thinking or feelings.
Catastrophizing - Covered already.
Personalization - Believing everything someone does or says is a personal slight against you.
Fallacy of Fairness - Having an opinion on what is fair, but being resentful when others disagree.
Blaming - I mean, duh.
Shoulds - Having ironclad rules about how others should behave.
Emotional Reasoning - If I feel this way, it must be true.
Fallacy of Change - Other people will change if I just insult, pressure, or ridicule them enough.
Global Labeling - Taking one bad aspect of a person and using it to judge them as a whole.
Always Being Right - Believing one is always right and never wrong.
Heaven's Reward Fallacy - Believing there is a reward for their behavior (being on the right side of history).
Did you notice one or more of those things in this discussion, or maybe even in the discussion over at ResetEra? Did you notice... I don't know... ALL OF THEM?
That's actually an interesting point. You are right, it is basically similar to the claim that violent video games might incite violent behaviour. I remember when that was a huge discussion in politics in the early 2000s in Germany (part of the reasons why PAL box art do have this ugly, big USK logo now). I've always thought that arguments of that nature basically imply that people lack the ability to think for themselves (which is what our school system touts to equip the pupils with...). You are also right that you can't say "bullshit!" to the violence claim and then claim "it incites transphobic behaviour!". That is certainly an interesting connection I haven't thought of.
All of these can be found in this thread aswell.
You're barking up the wrong tree, my dude... I'm well aware of how awesome Catherine is and I'm a huge Atlus fan in general. I wasn't talking about transphobia in relation to the game but rather some of the responses in this thread.I thought the original Catherine was fantastic and the inclusion of a trans character to be very brave on the developers part.
Despite its comic nature I believed the game to be very mature.
I was always going to buy it again.
It's one of those games that deserves being experienced.
And I don't think anyone on this thread that's buying the game is doing it other then because it's a fantastic game.
How empty the lives of these whinners must be so they need to cyber-bully others in order to feel some kind of personal realization.
Ah it's true what I predict on other thread as some Western / American gaming community, developer and platform holder still want to dictate other country's value and culture. Cultural imperialist.
Couldn't help but go watch that thread. The OP actually has a WHAT CAN WE DO? paragraph on how to ban the game, or harass the creators. It's … it's … fuck, I can't believe I've been lurking on that cesspool for 2 years in order to get gaming news and leaks. Fuck that shit.
But crimes? SERIOUSLY!? God, those people are flat out dangerous if they get their hands on power.
I don't applaud the oversexualization of DoA and the jiggle physics, but I won't ask to ban the game for everyone else! Ignore the product if you don't like it, and move on!
Christ!
"Within hours of the phobic revelations about Catherine: Full Body, a petition to add the game to the official ResetEra banlist (written by yours truly) was submitted to site admins" … the cunt is actually proud of starting this. He takes pride on the fact that he's the one who asks to ban the game and LITERALLY LABEL THE CREATOR AS A CRIMINAL. I … I don't even.
All of these can be found in this thread aswell.
its not okay to take things out of context, yeah, but yall need to grow that f up. ur way too obsessed with the ResetEra people, every single thread is about them.
its not okay to take things out of context, yeah, but yall need to grow that f up. ur way too obsessed with the ResetEra people, every single thread is about them.
Sorry mate, but you are full of shit.
SJWs are fundamentally miserable fucking people and that's why they hate the world around them so much and want to make everyone think like they do, because misery loves company.
It's easy to hate on them but when I think about it that way I really feel sorry for them, this isn't about politics or media when you really boil it down and is more about mental health and people who lack it.
Chaps. Ignore Era.
I saw the scene in question. There was nothing sinister about it. It was a simple “What if...?” Dimension trope that we’ve seen in a million other media items.
The psychotic levels of devotion to Liberal dogma needs to stop. It’s reaching Dark Ages-levels of fanaticism.
I've said it before but Demolition Man predicted the futureIn a couple of years there will be strict guidelines what is allowed in telling any kind of stories.
As of writing this, NeoGAF has 216 members online while ResetEra has 3,543. Reset also has the ears of some of the more popular, though less reputable gaming journalists, where a lot of the worst articles on Kotaku and Polygon are ripped straight from that den of crazy.Chaps. Ignore Era.
They’re lunatics. And I mean that quite seriously; there are about 40 to 50 extremely disturbed, angry and mentally unhinged regulars (including moderators) that control what can and cannot be said.
Transphobia definitely needs addressing.I very much agree Era completely blows everything out of proportion and are completely blinded by their zealotry when it comes to such matters (I was banned for telling a rape victim he/she and fellow victims were the last people that should get to decide the punishment for such crimes), but the attitudes I see on display here are equally shameful, be it because you're just ignoring that transphonbia is an actual issue that does need addressing or the childish mentions of supporting the game even though you had no intention to do so beforehand just to spite the Era crowd.
How many of those are actual developers?As of writing this, NeoGAF has 216 members online while ResetEra has 3,543. Reset also has the ears of some of the more popular, though less reputable gaming journalists, where a lot of the worst articles on Kotaku and Polygon are ripped straight from that den of crazy.
Like it or not, ResetEra is not something that I think we can ignore, much less should ignore, if we want reasonable minds to be the stewards of our hobby rather than the mentally ill. As much as I'm against call out culture, I think calling them out for their bullshit, often and loudly, is the most peaceful and effective way of containing their bullshit.
Chaps. Ignore Era.
They’re lunatics. And I mean that quite seriously; there are about 40 to 50 extremely disturbed, angry and mentally unhinged regulars (including moderators) that control what can and cannot be said.
How many of those are actual developers?
Had this been a discussion about The Last Jedi, it's participants would have been called man babiesSo, to clarify, this ending, an added ending that does not erase any of the other endingsTherefore meaning this whole thing is Mt. Molehill, am I correct in that assessment?Has Time Magic bullshit happen that resets the scinario to a time before Erica transistions but still conciders herself female
And in sales their influence is non-existent. In fact, if ERA ever played an influence on BFV in any shape or form, then they played a part in EA's disappointing expectations for it.Some, but most importantly they influence publishers and publishers control developers.
As of writing this, NeoGAF has 216 members online while ResetEra has 3,543.
But this one is truly disgraceful, they're labeling a legend in the industry a fucking criminal for an unbelievably petty reason and trying to run yet another boycott campaign against a niche non-AAA title, one of the good ones everyone should be rooting for.
I just assumed that was matter of course ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Had this been a discussion about The Last Jedi, it's participants would have been called man babies
Interesting, isn't it. As soon as they are faced with legal consequences - Yeah lets not do that anymore.You're not wrong.
Fun fact - have you noticed that they don't whinge about Daniel Vavra anymore? He made it quite clear that if anyone continued slandering him, he would seek legal redress. Someone at Era HQ might have got the memo.
What we *desperately* need is a slew of libel cases to be brought against significant Twitter and social media commentators, to make them realise that their campaigns are legally wrong. They're always going on about how words are worse than physical violence. Maybe it's time someone demonstrated that and sued them.
Defamation of character, for example, is one accusation you can easily apply there, what with them slandering and banning actual developers...
Dude, just ignore these nobodies and stay here. No need to stress yourself over this.Now over there they basically banning anyone try to voice their reason. You know what this fucking called!!? "dictatorship"!! They gone full on cyber bully and if anyone disagrees they shut them up by banning them. This fucking disgusting!!!
Maybe these types of gamers are living up to the "manbabies" and "childish" terms we always heard? Just look at the way they act and respond. Throwing their toys out the pram every time. Everything is exaggerated.What is it about video games that cause people to freak out so bad? Is it just because video games are such a new medium? Even movies are just fancier versions of stage plays fundamentally which are thousands of years old but there was never anything like a video game prior to the 20th century.