'Catherine: Full Body' Transcript Leaks Regarding Alleged Controversial Ending *Spoilers*

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I wonder what ERA and similar communities think of Doki Doki. Promotes suicide, no?


Seriously its about time this BS and fake pretentious ''We are for the minorities, if you don't then you are just guilty by proxy!'' narrative needs to end. Actively spoiling games to raise a point about a virtual world.

And its not like all that discussion will change sales, mind you, so the only real reason this is done is to gain traction and a stage to complain over.

I am disappointed that 2019 is just going to pander more to entitlement in general. Its a game, a game that explores boundaries. But yah lets just frame it as another despicable game. Where was ERA when Hatred and Agony came out?

Just unplug your internet and watch at some nice horizon's. Far healthier for your mental stability than getting outraged over everything in games. Jack Thompson would be so proud of these people.
 
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Yikes! I'm so angry right now. I'm literally shaking. SMH I need to calm down.

btw Naked Gun was on TV yesterday and there's no way you could show a scene like this in a new movie

I was thinking about the Naked Gun movies the other day and was reminded of this joke, this was the same year as Ace Ventura which also had a lot of transphobic jokes, both movies were spoofing 1992's The Crying Game, which was probably what introduced the vast, vast majority of Americans to the fact that trans people even existed.

And I'm not a fan of either movies' jokes, they ARE pretty mean spirited, but here's the thing though, there's a difference between saying a joke is lame and unfunny and acting like someone blasphemed your Religion , as I already said they act like outraged fundamentalist Muslims over things, when you have such extreme Religiosity over these kind of things that's when it's time to tone it down a notch.

And hey, I'll throw them a bone though and mention that it's not lost on me as to WHY they are so absurdly sensitive over trans issues and that's because transwomen are often murdered when hookups go wrong, in a city only a couple of hours from where I live there was a serial killer targeting specifically transwomen.

That's all pretty fucked up, yeah, but the important thing to remember is a video game is not going to be the direct reason a transwoman gets murdered, we really are living in the days of Jack Thompson "Grand Theft Auto is a murder simulator!" again.

Remember when Thompson was disbarred and later the supreme court shot down a bunch of anti-game laws in 2011? It all seemed like the long nightmare was over and games would left alone, but instead the nightmare was just beginning.

What is it about video games that cause people to freak out so bad? Is it just because video games are such a new medium? Even movies are just fancier versions of stage plays fundamentally which are thousands of years old but there was never anything like a video game prior to the 20th century.
 
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So what? I haven't played the game but if it happens to be transphobic in its message, then so fucking what? You are not forced to buy a game. People are also free to make a game that's 100% pro transsexual in its messaging and people are then free to support, ignore or hate on that as well. Just because this game has an opinion doesn't make it invalid, just as other games are free to have diametric opinions on the same matter that are just as valid.

If we start censoring every opinion to adhere to some "societal standard", then we should abolish discussion and any democratic values as well, while we're at it. If you get offended by a game (that, again, you are not forced to buy. You can even ignore it!), then introspect why that is.
It will incite real life transphobia, that‘s why. Or so the claim goes. Same with sexualization of women.

It‘s kinda funny this argument is used here as we‘ve been fighting against the claimed influence of video games since the dawn of the medium when it comes to violence. So it‘s very interesting to see people saying stuff like in Cathrine will make people transphobic but on the other hand that game violence doesn‘t make people violent in real life. You can‘t have it both ways. Or well... Apparently you can if you look at what is happening at the moment.
 

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You should probably stop giving their outrage campaigns any kind of relevancy and spotlight.
I do agree, when I posted the article I actually wanted to see how Gaf sees the changes in Catherine Full Body.
Sadly things have escalated fast on Era with the creation of the Witch Hunt.
Reading through they seemed to retroactively gone back to Persona 3/4/5 for evidence that the guy is evil.
This is news to me and they seem mad because characters like Kanji in P4 aren't gay and characters react shocked trans characters are revealed as men in past games.
It's like they expect a different response?
Also
the new girl Rin in Catherine isn't Trans like what they wanted her to be
 

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I very much agree Era completely blows everything out of proportion and are completely blinded by their zealotry when it comes to such matters (I was banned for telling a rape victim he/she and fellow victims were the last people that should get to decide the punishment for such crimes), but the attitudes I see on display here are equally shameful, be it because you're just ignoring that transphonbia is an actual issue that does need addressing or the childish mentions of supporting the game even though you had no intention to do so beforehand just to spite the Era crowd.
 
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It will incite real life transphobia, that‘s why. Or so the claim goes. Same with sexualization of women.

It‘s kinda funny this argument is used here as we‘ve been fighting against the claimed influence of video games since the dawn of the medium when it comes to violence. So it‘s very interesting to see people saying stuff like in Cathrine will make people transphobic but on the other hand that game violence doesn‘t make people violent in real life. You can‘t have it both ways. Or well... Apparently you can if you look at what is happening at the moment.
That's actually an interesting point. You are right, it is basically similar to the claim that violent video games might incite violent behaviour. I remember when that was a huge discussion in politics in the early 2000s in Germany (part of the reasons why PAL box art do have this ugly, big USK logo now). I've always thought that arguments of that nature basically imply that people lack the ability to think for themselves (which is what our school system touts to equip the pupils with...). You are also right that you can't say "bullshit!" to the violence claim and then claim "it incites transphobic behaviour!". That is certainly an interesting connection I haven't thought of.
 
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I very much agree Era completely blows everything out of proportion and are completely blinded by their zealotry when it comes to such matters (I was banned for telling a rape victim he/she and fellow victims were the last people that should get to decide the punishment for such crimes), but the attitudes I see on display here are equally shameful, be it because you're just ignoring that transphonbia is an actual issue that does need addressing or the childish mentions of supporting the game even though you had no intention to do so beforehand just to spite the Era crowd.
I thought the original Catherine was fantastic and the inclusion of a trans character to be very brave on the developers part.
Despite its comic nature I believed the game to be very mature.
I was always going to buy it again.
It's one of those games that deserves being experienced.
And I don't think anyone on this thread that's buying the game is doing it other then because it's a fantastic game.
 
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There's this thing called Cognitive Behavior Therapy where they teach you to identify and get through certain dangerous or self destructive thought patterns. They use it to (effectively) treat eating disorders, depression, gambling, smoking, and mental illness. It is done by identifying certain patterns which are particularly unhealthy, and it seems that the people complaining about Catherine have just gone down the list of unhealthy thought patterns (cognitive distortions) and decided they take one of everything.

For example, catastrophizing. This is basically assuming the worst possible outcome, or that any negative outcome would be a catastrophy. In this case, I've seen people say that Catherine will literally lead to the murder of trans people.

Here's a list of cognitive distortions. See how many you can recognize. you might just get Bingo!

Filtering - magnifying the negative details while downplaying or ignoring the positive ones.
Polarized Thinking - Something is either all or nothing, with no shades in between.
Overgeneralization - Coming to a general conclusion based on a single piece of evidence.
Jumping to Conclusions - Assuming you know what others are thinking or feelings.
Catastrophizing - Covered already.
Personalization - Believing everything someone does or says is a personal slight against you.
Fallacy of Fairness - Having an opinion on what is fair, but being resentful when others disagree.
Blaming - I mean, duh.
Shoulds - Having ironclad rules about how others should behave.
Emotional Reasoning - If I feel this way, it must be true.
Fallacy of Change - Other people will change if I just insult, pressure, or ridicule them enough.
Global Labeling - Taking one bad aspect of a person and using it to judge them as a whole.
Always Being Right - Believing one is always right and never wrong.
Heaven's Reward Fallacy - Believing there is a reward for their behavior (being on the right side of history).

Did you notice one or more of those things in this discussion, or maybe even in the discussion over at ResetEra? Did you notice... I don't know... ALL OF THEM?
All of these can be found in this thread aswell.
 
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That's actually an interesting point. You are right, it is basically similar to the claim that violent video games might incite violent behaviour. I remember when that was a huge discussion in politics in the early 2000s in Germany (part of the reasons why PAL box art do have this ugly, big USK logo now). I've always thought that arguments of that nature basically imply that people lack the ability to think for themselves (which is what our school system touts to equip the pupils with...). You are also right that you can't say "bullshit!" to the violence claim and then claim "it incites transphobic behaviour!". That is certainly an interesting connection I haven't thought of.
Psychologists have been criticising games since their inception, nothing new really. But at least they werent picky about it.


All of these can be found in this thread aswell.
Difference is Atlus does not have to know.
 

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I thought the original Catherine was fantastic and the inclusion of a trans character to be very brave on the developers part.
Despite its comic nature I believed the game to be very mature.
I was always going to buy it again.
It's one of those games that deserves being experienced.
And I don't think anyone on this thread that's buying the game is doing it other then because it's a fantastic game.
You're barking up the wrong tree, my dude... I'm well aware of how awesome Catherine is and I'm a huge Atlus fan in general. I wasn't talking about transphobia in relation to the game but rather some of the responses in this thread.

As for your last statement, I said what I said precisely because there's been multiple posts in this very thread implying exactly that.
 
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How empty the lives of these whinners must be so they need to cyber-bully others in order to feel some kind of personal realization.
SJWs are fundamentally miserable fucking people and that's why they hate the world around them so much and want to make everyone think like they do, because misery loves company.

It's easy to hate on them but when I think about it that way I really feel sorry for them, this isn't about politics or media when you really boil it down and is more about mental health and people who lack it.
 

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Hopefully Atlus does absolutely nothing and the game sells fine.
It's about time companies start to realise that there's nothing to gain by bowing down to the demands of people who aren't even your target audience


Ah it's true what I predict on other thread as some Western / American gaming community, developer and platform holder still want to dictate other country's value and culture. Cultural imperialist.
Every time I've visited Era I've had to laugh at the irony of the word "bigot" being thrown around so much in a community known for banning people as soon as they deviate slightly from the accepted opinions/reactions.
 
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Couldn't help but go watch that thread. The OP actually has a WHAT CAN WE DO? paragraph on how to ban the game, or harass the creators. It's … it's … fuck, I can't believe I've been lurking on that cesspool for 2 years in order to get gaming news and leaks. Fuck that shit.

But crimes? SERIOUSLY!? God, those people are flat out dangerous if they get their hands on power.

I don't applaud the oversexualization of DoA and the jiggle physics, but I won't ask to ban the game for everyone else! Ignore the product if you don't like it, and move on!

Christ!

"Within hours of the phobic revelations about Catherine: Full Body, a petition to add the game to the official ResetEra banlist (written by yours truly) was submitted to site admins" … the cunt is actually proud of starting this. He takes pride on the fact that he's the one who asks to ban the game and LITERALLY LABEL THE CREATOR AS A CRIMINAL. I … I don't even.
It's really pathetic and crazy irritating. There's a STAFF WARNING at the game's OT stating that yes there are some troubling content within the game and that yes said content will get debated and if you condone the material or don't trash it ("dismiss relevant criticism" is the actual phrase, holy shit) every time someone brings it up, you're getting banned.

This is not an internet board, this is a cult.
 

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Atlus has never and will never give a crap what westerners think or want so ultimately it doesn't matter if they make a stink again.
 

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its not okay to take things out of context, yeah, but yall need to grow that f up. ur way too obsessed with the ResetEra people, every single thread is about them.
...What? 39 out of the 40 non-stickied threads on the front page have nothing to do with ResetEra nor do their conversations. You are literally mental, mate. May need to lay off that projection as it seems you are the one way too obsessed with ResetEra, or at least any conversations that surround it.
 
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SJWs are fundamentally miserable fucking people and that's why they hate the world around them so much and want to make everyone think like they do, because misery loves company.

It's easy to hate on them but when I think about it that way I really feel sorry for them, this isn't about politics or media when you really boil it down and is more about mental health and people who lack it.
Me too, I think they're looking for identity as part of a group. A sense of belonging, somewhere to call their home. Why else would a bunch of frigging videogame nerds - a group traditionally rejected by wider society - be so concerned with it otherwise. Yo gotta ask yoself these tings.
 
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You can't have any what if scenarios like these in any medium nowadays, cause it immediately is seen as racism, homophobia, sexism, transphobia...

In a couple of years there will be strict guidelines what is allowed in telling any kind of stories.
 
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Chaps. Ignore Era.
Problem is devs and publishers instead of ignoring sometimes play along, diversity and social justice hires happen bringing in people with strict ideological bias and sometimes outright censorship in the case of nintendo and sony, all because this kind of narrative is being ignored and not being called out, second problem is calling it out makes you sexist and racist, it's a lose lose situation.
 
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I saw the scene in question. There was nothing sinister about it. It was a simple “What if...?” Dimension trope that we’ve seen in a million other media items.

The psychotic levels of devotion to Liberal dogma needs to stop. It’s reaching Dark Ages-levels of fanaticism.
It’s not even anything to do with left, right or liberalism. We’re beyond normal labels.

It’s essentially civil rights for mental illness.
 
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So, to clarify, this ending, an added ending that does not erase any of the other endings
Has Time Magic bullshit happen that resets the scinario to a time before Erica transistions but still conciders herself female
Therefore meaning this whole thing is Mt. Molehill, am I correct in that assessment?
 
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Chaps. Ignore Era.

They’re lunatics. And I mean that quite seriously; there are about 40 to 50 extremely disturbed, angry and mentally unhinged regulars (including moderators) that control what can and cannot be said.
As of writing this, NeoGAF has 216 members online while ResetEra has 3,543. Reset also has the ears of some of the more popular, though less reputable gaming journalists, where a lot of the worst articles on Kotaku and Polygon are ripped straight from that den of crazy.

Like it or not, ResetEra is not something that I think we can ignore, much less should ignore, if we want reasonable minds to be the stewards of our hobby rather than the mentally ill. As much as I'm against call out culture, I think calling them out for their bullshit, often and loudly, is the most peaceful and effective way of containing their bullshit.
 

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I very much agree Era completely blows everything out of proportion and are completely blinded by their zealotry when it comes to such matters (I was banned for telling a rape victim he/she and fellow victims were the last people that should get to decide the punishment for such crimes), but the attitudes I see on display here are equally shameful, be it because you're just ignoring that transphonbia is an actual issue that does need addressing or the childish mentions of supporting the game even though you had no intention to do so beforehand just to spite the Era crowd.
Transphobia definitely needs addressing.

Just not through the fingers of those folks that claim to be a minority and thus have a leading voice in the discussion. Not that group of people that effectively wants to steer that discussion to include outrage over videogames.
As of writing this, NeoGAF has 216 members online while ResetEra has 3,543. Reset also has the ears of some of the more popular, though less reputable gaming journalists, where a lot of the worst articles on Kotaku and Polygon are ripped straight from that den of crazy.

Like it or not, ResetEra is not something that I think we can ignore, much less should ignore, if we want reasonable minds to be the stewards of our hobby rather than the mentally ill. As much as I'm against call out culture, I think calling them out for their bullshit, often and loudly, is the most peaceful and effective way of containing their bullshit.
How many of those are actual developers?
 
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Chaps. Ignore Era.

They’re lunatics. And I mean that quite seriously; there are about 40 to 50 extremely disturbed, angry and mentally unhinged regulars (including moderators) that control what can and cannot be said.
Usually yes, I agree this is the best way to act. Let them be happy there. But this one is truly disgraceful, they're labeling a legend in the industry a fucking criminal for an unbelievably petty reason and trying to run yet another boycott campaign against a niche non-AAA title, one of the good ones everyone should be rooting for. This one gets me at a human level, it's one of the things that makes you feel so bad it's impossible not to react somewhat irrationally.
 
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So, to clarify, this ending, an added ending that does not erase any of the other endings
Has Time Magic bullshit happen that resets the scinario to a time before Erica transistions but still conciders herself female
Therefore meaning this whole thing is Mt. Molehill, am I correct in that assessment?
Had this been a discussion about The Last Jedi, it's participants would have been called man babies

 
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Some, but most importantly they influence publishers and publishers control developers.
And in sales their influence is non-existent. In fact, if ERA ever played an influence on BFV in any shape or form, then they played a part in EA's disappointing expectations for it.
 
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As of writing this, NeoGAF has 216 members online while ResetEra has 3,543.
I agree with your point.

The only thing I would say is that of those 3,500, it's only about a hundred or so who are legitimately unhinged. Unfortunately, many of them are moderators and, as such, they control what can and cannot be said. It's the same names, steaming into each thread, saying 'yikes' and then doing their utmost to get people banned. They're not offended by anything, they just enjoy baiting people. Because they are sad, angry and lonely, it's what they live for.

Sadly, social media massively over inflates the significance of progressive politics. And yes, at present, they do seem to have too much influence over developers.
 
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But this one is truly disgraceful, they're labeling a legend in the industry a fucking criminal for an unbelievably petty reason and trying to run yet another boycott campaign against a niche non-AAA title, one of the good ones everyone should be rooting for.
You're not wrong.

Fun fact - have you noticed that they don't whinge about Daniel Vavra anymore? He made it quite clear that if anyone continued slandering him, he would seek legal redress. Someone at Era HQ might have got the memo.

What we *desperately* need is a slew of libel cases to be brought against significant Twitter and social media commentators, to make them realise that their campaigns are legally wrong. They're always going on about how words are worse than physical violence. Maybe it's time someone demonstrated that and sued them.
 

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You're not wrong.

Fun fact - have you noticed that they don't whinge about Daniel Vavra anymore? He made it quite clear that if anyone continued slandering him, he would seek legal redress. Someone at Era HQ might have got the memo.

What we *desperately* need is a slew of libel cases to be brought against significant Twitter and social media commentators, to make them realise that their campaigns are legally wrong. They're always going on about how words are worse than physical violence. Maybe it's time someone demonstrated that and sued them.
Interesting, isn't it. As soon as they are faced with legal consequences - Yeah lets not do that anymore.

The only road that will get an end to this is the road of the court. Defamation of character, for example, is one accusation you can easily apply there, what with them slandering and banning actual developers...
 
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Defamation of character, for example, is one accusation you can easily apply there, what with them slandering and banning actual developers...
It's tough stuff to prove though. Libel, thankfully and rightly so, is not easily established.

In terms of banning people, Era can do whatever they like. It's a private platform. If they wish to curate an echo chamber of loonies, so be it. But their persistent campaigns against individuals need to be looked into, not least when their smears are demonstrably false.

Not sure if you're in the UK, but the Lord McAlpine case was a watershed moment in terms of Twitter and what can be tried in a court of law. I think there's still a general feeling that Twitter operates at two levels. The sort of nonsense gossip of small accounts, versus the celebrity accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers. There are different standards at work. It also appears to be the case that the test will be updated; you mustn't just prove harm, rather *substantial harm*.

Which leads is back to Vavra. I sincerely believe that their months long campaign of slander crossed the divide from opinion to legitimate libel. And their platform is big enough to have to defend that.

Probably why they shut up about it.
 

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Now over there they basically banning anyone try to voice their reason. You know what this fucking called!!? "dictatorship"!! They gone full on cyber bully and if anyone disagrees they shut them up by banning them. This fucking disgusting!!!
Dude, just ignore these nobodies and stay here. No need to stress yourself over this.
 
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On one hand, I don't understand all the hand wringing going on over at era.... on the other hand, some of the guys here take it too seriously the other way by saying they support the game just out of spite lol. Just a game yall
 

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What is it about video games that cause people to freak out so bad? Is it just because video games are such a new medium? Even movies are just fancier versions of stage plays fundamentally which are thousands of years old but there was never anything like a video game prior to the 20th century.
Maybe these types of gamers are living up to the "manbabies" and "childish" terms we always heard? Just look at the way they act and respond. Throwing their toys out the pram every time. Everything is exaggerated.
 
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