Jack Videogames
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Gearbox confirms Borderlands 3 launches on September 13, 2019; Epic Games Store exclusive
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Helios
Member
No, what's the point of Steam making a better platform if Epic is just going to moneyhat everything? What will happen is Steam will have to resort to the same tactic as Epic.
You as the consumer are the only one getting shafted by this strategy.
If you want to make a comparison with GPU's even though they are completely different markets: Imagine if AMD started giving publishers money so that their games only work on AMD's GPUs. Do you think that inspires competition? Or do you think that Nvidia will just have to give publishers more money?
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Chairman Tickles
Banned
I'm kind of worried, because if push comes to shove tencent *cough* Epic can just moneyhatt eveything, and valve could not fight back. It's a case of david vs goliath. Tencent is all about acquisition of market share by acquisition of properties and companies and their operating revenue is ~50 billion annually..Valve isn't even worth $3 billion. Tencents biggest game (a Chinese mobile mmo) generates more PROFIT annually than the entirety of Valve is WORTH. They can afford to embellish Epic and Epic can thus afford to greedily slurp up the market, one franchise at a time.
You thought Valve had a monopoly? Oh boy, you ain't seen nothing yet. China is one giant corporation, and organizations like tencent are its appendages. The country is run by a permanent board of 6-8 directors that choose their CEO (president) from among themselves, for fucks sake.
The people celebrating this as 'competition' are a joke. Start learning Mandarin and prepping your social credit scores, fools. I've been to China, I've done business in China. You gonna get rolled.
You thought Valve had a monopoly? Oh boy, you ain't seen nothing yet. China is one giant corporation, and organizations like tencent are its appendages. The country is run by a permanent board of 6-8 directors that choose their CEO (president) from among themselves, for fucks sake.
The people celebrating this as 'competition' are a joke. Start learning Mandarin and prepping your social credit scores, fools. I've been to China, I've done business in China. You gonna get rolled.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Like nvidia is doing with steamworks you mean?
Eh
All i see is prices getting lower thanks to epic. I def like them bringing the heat to steam.
I have no clue in what way i will end up worse with them fighting over MY money.
Helios
Member
Where do you see those lower prices?
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
Oh, look, yet another game I won't be playing!
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
except 2K don't make GTA/RDR. they are made by Rockstar.
and if you think TakeTwo or Rockstar will make GTA or RDR exclusive then i'm sorry but you're deluded. if they make it Epic exclusive that means less shark cards + gold bars sold. rockstar MIGHT sell their next PC game on Epic but it sure as shit will NOT be exclusive.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Soon ...Think of the big picture. You think steam will do jack shit about losing big names?
HALO MCC is only on windows store and steam. Key resellers will have fun with this.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
not sure this is what is meant but if people refuse to buy through Epic while the games are exclusive then maybe a year or so later when they come to other platforms they will be cheaper.
i'll just wait for the games to come to Steam or get a cheap key.
Epic is doing us all a favour by forcing us to wait so we get cheaper games!
No wonder Pitchford try to do damage control for Epic after Outer Worlds Exclusive announcement. Now it makes perfect sense. He just wanted to safe his own ass.
Well my PC library is not getting much this year on PC. But oh well. I already put 20 hours into Tropico 6 so I do not need Anno and there wil be tons of other games as well.
Fuck Epic^^
All Epic is doing right now is re establishing Piracy. Something Valve almost eradicated with their services. I already heard from a lot of people that they will just pirate the games since the Developer already has been paid.
Well my PC library is not getting much this year on PC. But oh well. I already put 20 hours into Tropico 6 so I do not need Anno and there wil be tons of other games as well.
Fuck Epic^^
All Epic is doing right now is re establishing Piracy. Something Valve almost eradicated with their services. I already heard from a lot of people that they will just pirate the games since the Developer already has been paid.
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Rockstar is a publishing label owned by Take2. So, yeah Rockstar is/belongs to Take2.
Also never say never. At least for RDR2 the possiblity sadly exists.
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Mista
Banned
Competition is good but you can’t blame the people that has a massive library on one launcher. And apparently having 2-3 launchers is alright but one extra is ooohhhh that’s too much fuck you. Eh
Lanrutcon
Member
It's getting kinda silly. Epic would be my 6th launcher.
Mista
Banned
In your case that’s alot and definitely I understand the frustration. What are the launchers if I may ask? Steam, uPlay, Origin, GOG, Battle.net and maybe Bethesda?
Gamezone
Gold Member
People have to stop calling it competition. Competition is when games are released simultaneously on different store, not bought monopoly.
Eh, I expected this to happen for over a month already. There isn't a game in existence that would convince me to install EGS, but you keep trying, Tim. And all of you celebrating this, don't come crying to me when they start asking you to pay for multiplayer on PC in a few years.
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Lanrutcon
Member
Luckily no reason to use Beth's launcher atm.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Nah, I’ll pass. I’ll get it on Xbox this time first. Borderlands 2 I can’t even think how many hours I put in, I loved it. But this? Nah... I’ll wait for the steam release.
Mithos
Member
IF I get it on PC (well even on console actually), I'd wait for the inevitable Borderlands 3: GOTY Edition anyways.
HaveButOneLife
Banned
I figured. I predicted a September window on Twitter.
Simply_Bry
Member
How dare game developers make their own decisions with their games. We, the gamers, should have the authority to decide which platform they should use.
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Mista
Banned
Nah it’s competition. This will make Steam do new shit that will attract players. The majority isn’t going to boycott EPIC. Reddit and forums doesn’t represent the majority of gamers and mark my words, soon Steam are going to do something crazy to counter EPIC. When the time comes, come back to me and tell me it isn’t the result of competition
They are free to use EGS. I'm free to not buy their products. Why do you have a problem with this?
Simply_Bry
Member
If you want to miss out the fun because you don't want to spend 5 minutes downloading a new platform, go ahead.
I'm tired of talking about this, but me not wanting to use EGS has nothing to do with the fact that it's another launcher.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
It's not about spending the time to install and use the other launcher. It's that the launcher is completely bare bones and you can currently only buy those games at the storefront price. Bizarre that people still don't get this. You're free to do what you want, but don't pretend the Epic backlash is unfounded. If they want to compete with Steam they should at least produce a decent launcher and allow third party sites to sell keys.
The same people that don't vote with their wallets are often the same people moaning about sloppy industry practices.
It's not a conspiracy theory if it is true. By all means though, continue to be naive.
Shifty
Member
Wilfully reductive takes like this should be bannable tbh.
There is an entire book's worth of valid, well-reasoned discussion on why people oppose EGS in GAF's backlog, but oh no, let's just ignore that for the sake of dropping a tired hot take in whatever the latest exclusivity thread is.
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Don't be upset with Nvidia, be upset with AMD not being a better competitor.
Woo-Fu
Banned
As long as Epic is writing checks developers are going to keep taking them for limited exclusivity. Instead of looking at this as Epic making gamers use their shitty launcher, look at it as Epic underwriting a bunch of games.
And hey, let's be honest about Steam. The client is a bloated monstrosity that performs fairly poorly for anything other than downloading/launching games, at least on my PC. Epic's launcher is garbage too, but at least there is a bit of room for it to get better before it too becomes a bloated monstrosity.
And hey, let's be honest about Steam. The client is a bloated monstrosity that performs fairly poorly for anything other than downloading/launching games, at least on my PC. Epic's launcher is garbage too, but at least there is a bit of room for it to get better before it too becomes a bloated monstrosity.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I've been waiting for Steam to at least lower their insane 30%, but they haven't done anything. Meanwhile EGS is targeting pretty much everything that isn't complete shit. Valve was only lucky with Halo. Probably because Epic didn't know about it.
Mista
Banned
True that but I still believe things will happen. We’re just at the beginning and we’ll see what the days ahead are holding for us. Hopefully not a dick in the ass
Shifty
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Simply_Bry
Member
Now you're only thinking from the perspective of gamers. Ever thought about how game developers oppose Steam because of their revenue policies? EGS may have less features than Steam, but why should they care? Game developers make games to make money and apparently EGS is the better platform for that.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I'm pretty sure they did something to secure Bethesda. Bethesda intention was to release their upcoming games as Bethesda Launcher exclusives, until they suddenly changed their minds.
Shifty
Member
Oh you actually have an argument to make now you've been called out on your shitpost? Speaks volumes, that does.
I love how you've gone from "it's just five minutes" [for the consumer] to "but think of the business tho!" as well. Let me know when those goalposts of yours have settled down and started a family
In the meantime, the litany of previous EGS exclusivity threads continue to serve as reference for counterpoints to crap arguments like these that have not only been presented before now, but also thoroughly deconstructed.
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theclaw135
Banned
Why don't we level the playing field and whine when a PC game is exclusive to Steam?
Mista
Banned
Money mate, it does everything.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Developers aren't making their games Epic exclusive because of some crusade against Steam's revenue split, they're doing it because they're taking a fat payout from Epic to do so. Hence everyone else is on both platforms. No developer is dying on a hill to stick it to Valve, they're in it for the money, which is fair enough, but they're paying for it in blood with a part of the fanbase. It's too early to tell whether or not it will ultimately be worth it. People use Metro 3 as an example of Epic working which is a horrible comparison, that game's the first in the series to be marketed to hell and back. Borderlands 3 will be interesting if we actually get the real data in the end.
Because aside from Steam being the best PC launcher by a country mile, there's plenty of different ways to buy both Steam games codes and wallet top-ups. I'm also not aware of Valve paying anybody to make their games Steam exclusive, developers generally just realise that it's where their game will sell the most copies and they'd be dumb not to put it there.
Mista
Banned
Piss off Shifty. ILY
Ivellios
Member
It's not about spending the time to install and use the other launcher. It's that the launcher is completely bare bones and you can currently only buy those games at the storefront price. Bizarre that people still don't get this. You're free to do what you want, but don't pretend the Epic backlash is unfounded. If they want to compete with Steam they should at least produce a decent launcher and allow third party sites to sell keys.
The same people that don't vote with their wallets are often the same people moaning about sloppy industry practices.
I was going to post this picture.
One of the big advantages of PC gaming is that you have a variety of sites to look for a better deal on a game you want.
Epic just removes that entirely.
Simply_Bry
Member
Go ahead, try to find a game like that that is not a Valve developed title. You'll find that it's impossible. The only games that are actually exclusive to Steam are for the most part asset reusing shovelware that no other store wants to sell.
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Shifty
Member
Time to show some receipts. Where's your evidence that Valve bought MCC exclusivity rather than being approached by Microsoft?
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