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Next Xbox is ‘More Advanced’ Than the PS5 according to Insiders.
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shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
SonyGAF was hyped as fuck when we found out how much more powerful PS4 was compared to X1. Now it’s “well nobody cares about power, what matters is the games!!”
Honestly don’t care who wins the power war, but this is making it pretty entertaining to watch.
Honestly don’t care who wins the power war, but this is making it pretty entertaining to watch.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Papa Phil will launch his nukes at E3, less than 2 months away. People need to chill.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I will buy both and still play mostly pc, but I hope Xbox smokes ps5 power wise, and comes out with some killer games, just to spite you sony fanboys. The absolute arrogance some of you are showing in this thread, and on this forum, is disgusting and makes it hard to read neogaf.
The competition between these companies should be fun to watch and discuss, but the obnoxious fanboyism on all sides ruins it for us grownups who love the industry.
The competition between these companies should be fun to watch and discuss, but the obnoxious fanboyism on all sides ruins it for us grownups who love the industry.
One of the Xbox insiders on the other forums claims that PS5 fast loading times is just GPU Decompression & that both next gen Xboxs will have it but he/she neglected the fact that the wired interview said that PS5 storage raw bandwidth is going to be faster than the fastest PC SSDs that's out now. we know that the leaked Xbox Scarlet specs say that it will have a 1GB/s NVMe & that's not faster than the fastest PC SSDs on the market now.
Stuart360
Member
Power is a factor for some people, one of a few factors though. Price imo is the no'1 factor for the majority of gamers (especially ones that dont have fanboy loyalty to one company), and if the next Xbox is more powerful BUT $100 more expensive, we will have a similar situation with the PS4 and XB1, with PS5 winning the early sales imo.
nowhat
Member
Should I be embarrassed for recognizing that setting immediately?
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Well he / she would say that wouldn't they...
GermanZepp
Member
<<<Sonnie's edge,>>>do me a favor and catch that episode of love, death a robots.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Lol after all these years it's hard for me to believe mistermedia wasn't a parody account
DynamiteCop!
Banned
"this powerful"?
You have no idea how many CU's the GPU has or its frequency, you have no idea what RAM it has, what capacity or how much bandwidth it has, you have no idea what variant of Zen2 it is or its operating frequency...
Literally a bunch of vague nothingness...
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Amen, it's inevitable what you typed and Phil ain't @#$% around, there will be very AAA salty downplays but they'll be a laughing stock anyways.. can't wait to se tables get turned around just in spite off all the ignorance and hate
Shin
Banned
Follow AMD Arcturus as well as how Microsoft have been engineering their console since the first Xbox, just their design philosophy in general (even Inc kinect or always online).
I posted a video earlier today about Navi that gives a better understanding of it all.
Don't need an insider, the clues have been there since Xbox E3 2018, AMD CES 19, Digital Foundry laughing 2x in the PS5 video, the rumors that Navi was made for PS5 and the list goes on.
Also while on that note Navi is confirmed via via to be the last in the GCN line so max 64CU for PS5. Arcturus breaks that limitation and I guess that's how it might end up being stronger. So I wonder if the exclusive deal was real or Microsoft paid more like they did with XO, I'm guessing it's the latter. Would it be strange? No because they need it as a selling point due to software catalog or lack thereof.
Here watch the whole video:
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SonGoku
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It sounds like bs, why would MS be privy to secret info on Sony but not the other way around
Its one think to aim to make the most powerful console but there is no way to guarantee that without having control over your competition
The only way they can is by launching a year later giving them time to improve upon whatever the competition has in stores that or decide in advance to lose millions, possibly billion/s subsiding hardware
bhunachicken
Member
It would be rather amusing if the Xbox Next came with a faster CPU and GPU combo, but the PS5 came with more RAM.
Some would argue that the PS5 would then have a speed advantage due to the RAM.
Some would argue that the PS5 would then have a speed advantage due to the RAM.
Dabaus
Banned
And neither does Microsoft or these "insiders."
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I can't say I'm surprised - and I wonder how these giants will do in 5 to 10 years.
The ideology is about power, how to take it from people by making them feel guilt, and shame... so far it seems to work. If you assume that a good number of students coming out of the top universities are part of the cult, when they get the big jobs they push that agenda because they feel that this is the "right thing to do", they are on the right side of history, etc. Yet in reality this group of people show so much bigotry, just coming from a different angle.
And if that was only the tech giants, they do their best to take away big open source projects (the kernel from Linus! and countless other smaller ones) with the implementation of a "code of conduct" in many of them.
This is the visible part of it, even politicians who are apparently going against the wave often pander to the SJW crowd, probably because of the perceived size of it? I mean in Canada, even the Conservatives sometimes adopt the victim narrative, or they won't push back when SJW policies are implemented by other parties.
Then you have most people in the population who just don't get what's going on, in discussion with old friends, family etc. they are just like: "where are all the trans related policies coming from?", "how come we are told that the society is more racist?", etc. or a friend who work in IT told me he stopped using FB because he was worried that he may say something his employer may not like (and believe me this guy is a serious lefty)... So I stopped voting, I don't feel represented, and I don't want to encourage any of it.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
That's not entirely true because Navi has intrinsic limitation tied to GCN and CU count, if Microsoft is using a variant of Next-Gen they'd by default have a better GPU.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well that’s because they get directly fed from Microsoft PR. They're are soft extension of it.
KINDERFELD
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We know they said the 1X was going to be more powerful than the Pro and it certainly lived up to that.
The Pro does 1440p while the 1X actually does native 4K.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
I wouldn't paint things so black and white, realistically the Xbox One X can do native 4K but the reality is it's more of an 1800p system on average. The Pro is a 1440p system on average.
KINDERFELD
Banned
I know it runs quite a few current gen games at native 4K.
The Pro is yet to do that in any current gen game.
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DeepEnigma
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GPU compression excuse seems like not knowing what Sony are doing damage control. You’re not going to go from 15 seconds to less than one second based on that alone.
We have it in real world models now to test with Nvidia and it does not do that level of performance increase, at all.
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WhiskeyDiver
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No. That's where everyone gets their start out when interviewing for any job hahaha....right guys?
...right?
Ozymandias013
Banned
oh look,its mine is bigger than yours discussion
DynamiteCop!
Banned
It did it with Shadow of Mordor to an extent, but the Xbox One X is by no means a native 4K console, it just makes a substantially better overall attempt at it.
KINDERFELD
Banned
Its more a 4K console than the Pro and that's undeniable.
Shadow of Mordor was a PS3 game and not current gen however I can mention more than 1 game for the 1X that is current gen and runs at native 4K.
Dabaus
Banned
If Microsoft is skipping to a next next genration gpu how much do you realistically expect that to cost?
The 1x was a year later and 100 dollars more, it HAD to be more powerful.
KINDERFELD
Banned
Well the Switch is the same price as the base PS4 and more expensive than the base Xbox, came out after both of them and is significantly weaker than them both.
The point is, we can trust that the next gen Xbox will indeed be more powerful than the PS5. They made the same claim with the 1X and delivered on that claim.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Well here's the thing, it seems now that Sony is going to pivot for a Spring 2020 launch using Navi, they're releasing information which for them seems a bit early to make a Fall 2020 push. If Microsoft simply held out for fall that extra 6-7 months could bode them a better GPU not just in terms of power but also features for possibly the same cost.
The Mad Draklor
Member
The more powerful the consoles become, the smaller the percent delta becomes. Here's an example:
Console A has 2TF of power and Console B has 4TF. The absolute gap is 2TF and Console B is 100% more powerful than Console A.
Console A has 12TF and Console B has 14TF. The absolute gap is the same, but this time, Console B is only 16.7% more powerful than Console A.
Console A has 2TF of power and Console B has 4TF. The absolute gap is 2TF and Console B is 100% more powerful than Console A.
Console A has 12TF and Console B has 14TF. The absolute gap is the same, but this time, Console B is only 16.7% more powerful than Console A.
ANIMAL1975
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Thanks, can't watch right now I'm on mobile, but saw your post on this yesterday in the other thread. Yes that's a possibility, with that information of course the insider could say Xbox is more advanced than PS5, knowing only its arch. We'll have to wait and see, i think it depends also on the planing ms has for the Nextbox release.
Musky_Cheese
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I thought they were launching 2 Xbox models. Base and premium. Or has that been debunked
SonGoku
Member
The way it was phrased i think it meant faster than most conventional SSDs on PC
Just like when Cerny said the PS4 onion (or was it garlic) bus that connects GPU/CPU at 20GB/s its faster than the PCI connection on most PCs
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
What difference can there be? 2-3TF? for 100+~$?
Unless microsoft has some new design like they did in the 360 era with the revolutionary unified shaders, there's not much room to surpass the ps5. Given they are likely to be on the same process, substantially greater performance demands either vastly higher energy consumption or radically more efficient architecture.
Shin
Banned
Yea, as excited as I am about technology I'd rather be realistic than get carried away.
We'll see in 7 weeks what the plan is, still a better first impression about PS5 than when PS4 was announced.
AMD was more prepared this time also I bet and that's the biggest win/take away from it all, one hand washes the other.
ruvikx
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I want both manufacturers to first & foremost make sure third party developers release games with a stable framerate on their consoles (60 is better, but 30 can also be passable in the right game). All the 2013 obsession over the PS4 versus Xbox One power debate turned to literal ash in the latter part of this generation because the framerate on both consoles is... passable at best & fucking atrocious at worst. God of War for example on the base ps4 performs like crap, even when simply rowing a boat.
Anthem? (aka one of the latest blockubusters)? It's a turd on the base consoles because of the framerate. Resolution means diddly-squat when stutter creates an eyesore.
Anthem? (aka one of the latest blockubusters)? It's a turd on the base consoles because of the framerate. Resolution means diddly-squat when stutter creates an eyesore.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Seems to me these arguments are quite pointless until you know we actually have some specs to go on.
recklesscognition
Member
Has anyone ever launched two versions of a new product at once, like a PS5 and a PS5 Pro? Seems implausible at launch.
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Gamernyc78
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"Now to be fair to Microsoft, they promised to have the most powerful console with the 360 (which also released first) and in retrospect, I think most would agree they achieved it"
That isn't a consensus at all. 360 in the opinion of many was not more powerful. The multi-player games tht were inferior on ps3 were inferior because devs weren't familiar with the cell. Ps3 first party games from Uncharted and on were graphical benchmarks in most of their genres from Uncharted looking better than Gears to Killzone looking better than Halo and doing stuff ppl couldn't believe. So this notion is far from true for many. I mean lens of truth, Digital Foundry, etc were constantly giving the graphical nod to ps3 exclusives.
Microsoft can say all they want like they always seem to do but their record isn't helping them from kinect, to milo, to crackdown and the cloud, etc... All which had high promises but disappointed.
I am not saying Microsoft can't or won't have a slightly stronger console. What I'm saying is just because thy say it it isnt a given. Sony are watching and will not allow themselves to be 1uped overall. If it's more powerful they'll do something to diminish tht edge like price ps5 cheaper or add some special feature like the SSD talk.
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SonGoku
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I think so yes, there's no way Sony is settling with a obsolete arch if there is a vastly superior arch in the same release timetable
Unless the Xbox launches one year later or more i dare say its imposible it will have a better arch.
shark sandwich
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1. PS4 and X1 used the same GPU and CPU architectures, yet PS4’s GPU was twice as powerful
2. Some of the rumors here suggest that Xbox WILL indeed use a different architecture (Arcturus vs Navi)
3. That’s all beside the point. Wasn’t my intention to predict the magnitude of the power difference. I was remarking how funny it is that the prevailing attitude on GAF shifted from “OMG PS4 is a beast, it’s gonna be so awesome!!” to “power doesn’t matter, right guys?” as soon as we heard rumors about next Xbox being more powerful than PS5.
Javthusiast
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Even if it is slightly more powerful. The ps brand name, the huge ps4 install base and the fact that your already purchased ps4 library will probably be easy playable on ps5, gives sony a huge edge going into next gen. They will probably continue with their success and xbox will still be second fiddle.
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