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[Dabaus]

"At launch, we've heard there won't be any "Xbox Scarlett"-exclusive games. For at least a few years, games will ship on both the Xbox One consoles and on the new Scarlett consoles, as is typically the case during a generational transition. "


Seems Bold, if True. Consider how fundametally different designing a game around the OG Xbox one with its jaguar cpu and lack of SSD hard drive. compared to a fully fledged next gen gpu, ssd, and ryzen cpu. Could it cripple next gen for developers, especially MS first party devs next gen?

Xbox at E3 2019: Everything we expect to see

We take a big look at the current state of Xbox and ask ourselves, what exactly will Microsoft drop at the biggest gaming event of the year?

www.windowscentral.com

 

[Celcius]

Makes me wonder if game design or visuals will be held back at all by having to also run on the older consoles

 

[Gavin Stevens]

If you didn’t expect this, for either console, you really are dumb.

 

[Hendrick's]

Seems logical. Doesn't mean 1st party games wont be pushing tech in their games, but it may temper 3rd party games for awhile.

 

[Imtjnotu]

If you didn’t expect this, for either console, you really are dumb.

I expect PS5 only games at launch....you're kidding right

 

[ResilientBanana]

While UWP is dead WinCore is looming. I doubt anything would have to be held back from a game design standpoint, esepcially if they phase out the Xbox One S.

 

[Pallas]

Well with the new studio acquisitions coming so late in the gen, games have to be made first. I imagine whatever The Initiative is working on will be Anaconda/Lockhart exclusive at least. I also wonder if Halo:I will be the same, but if they can, it’ll be released on the One as well, too much money left on the table.

The entire article is just based on rumors, and the guys opinion. I don’t think they would intentionally do this if true, it’s just a matter of next gen games not being completed in time.

 

[Codes 208]

If you didn’t expect this, for either console, you really are dumb.

Um. Yes I do expect there to be some next gen exclusives. Where’s the 360 versions of dead rising 3, ryse or forza 5? Where’s the ps3 versions of knack or killzone shadow fall?

 

[Hendrick's]

I expect PS5 only games at launch....you're kidding right

I wouldn't be so confident in that. With 100 million PS4's out in the wild, it would be dumb to make a PS5 only game at launch for a relatively small amount of early adopters.

 

[demigod]

If you didn’t expect this, for either console, you really are dumb.

Oh really? You wanna explain to me why Knack and Killzone were launch titles?

 

[Ellery]

I mean this is the perfect place to make a mean comment about Xbox now, but that would be childish.

But I have to say I am surprised by this, (if it is true), because I think appealing and graphically stunning games is exactly what Microsoft would need for the release of their next gen console to promote and highlight it and not some sort of generational transitionphase just to have more short-run software sales.

For Sony the story is different imho.

If I was Microsoft having the best looking and most stunning game ever being revealed and launched alongside the next xbox would be exactly what I think is the right way to go to have a huge impact on consumer perception.

But I am not Microsoft.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I expect PS5 only games at launch....you're kidding right

Both machines have been described as next gen upgrades with massive focus on backwards AND forward compatibility.

Games will be made for PS5, then run in lower resolution/quality on PS4, the exact same way they work for Pro>4 or X>S.

Did you honestly, really not see this as being what would happen? They will still look and play best on next hen consoles, but if you really think Sony will be leaving behind the 27 billion PS4s sold for a few hundred thousand PS5s at launch... Well...

You should be greatful. More ways to play new games. Don’t read this as there won’t be any exclusives. That’s not what this is saying, it’s just saying Xbox One Two Wibble will run games at the best possible quality, but they will work in some fashion on X/S. The exact same way shit has worked on Pc for... well... ever

 

[48086]

I would be more surprised if there was going to be exclusive titles.

 

[ethomaz]

I expect Sony to do the opposite and have at least 2 fully exclusives to PS5

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Um. Yes I do expect there to be some next gen exclusives. Where’s the 360 versions of dead rising 3, ryse or forza 5? Where’s the ps3 versions of knack or killzone shadow fall?

Oh really? You wanna explain to me why Knack and Killzone were launch titles?

That was a previous gen. and even then, you did get games that were on both the new and old system.

That way of buying a game for a closed system has gone the way of the dodo. It’s all about future proofing now. If you buy last of us 2, it WILL work on PS4 and it WILL work on PS5. Likewise, if you buy untitled PS5 launch game, it WILL work on PS5 but also cut down on PS4. Same disk.

You can’t honestly be surprised by this?

 

[Pallas]

I expect Sony to do the opposite and have at least 2 fully exclusives to PS5

That would leave a lot of money on the table, especially with the large console market share they have.

 

[Hendrick's]

I expect Sony to do the opposite and have at least 2 fully exclusives to PS5

I think they may have some exclusives, but they won't be heavy hitters. Tech-wise, there is little reason not to have a PS4/XBO version of any of these new games.

 

[ethomaz]

I think they may have some exclusives, but they won't be heavy hitters.

The last PS4 heavy hitter for PS4 will be that Ghost of Tsushima... after that only PS5 exclusives.

That would leave a lot of money on the table, especially with the large console market share they have.

Sony leave money at PS4 launch? Because they will do the same this gen... exclusives at launch.

 

[Xenon]

The good news is 60fps is more likely with all the unused CPU cycles.

 

[Bogroll]

I expect it to be like Virtua Tennis on Dreamcast (Xbox 2) v Virtua Tennis on the Dreamcast VMU (xbox one)

 

[Pallas]

The last PS4 heavy hitter for PS4 will be that Ghost of Tsushima... after that only PS5 exclusives.


Sony leave money at PS4 launch?

They didn’t enjoy a giant market share like they do now, they were neck and neck with Microsoft. Plus with the similar architects, it would be much easier to release games on both PS4 and PS5 starting out.

 

[Codes 208]

Did you honestly, really not see this as being what would happen? They will still look and play best on next hen consoles, but if you really think Sony will be leaving behind the 27 billion PS4s sold for a few hundred thousand PS5s at launch... Well...

I swear I hear this every gen. Yes I do believe theyll pull the cord one way or another to incentivize buying the new systems, that’s how generations traditionally work.

Otherwise what’s the point? It’d be just another midgen refresh.

That was a previous gen. and even then, you did get games that were on both the new and old system.

That way of buying a game for a closed system has gone the way of the dodo. It’s all about future proofing now. If you buy last of us 2, it WILL work on PS4 and it WILL work on PS5. Likewise, if you buy untitled PS5 launch game, it WILL work on PS5 but also cut down on PS4. Same disk.

You can’t honestly be surprised by this?

I still doubt this will be the case. I suspect a game like halo infinite will launch on both systems but separately as part of the Xbox one family and as part of the Xbox 4 systems. Possibly cross-Buy but I don’t think the xb4 version will run on xb1.

 

[Dabaus]

Seems logical. Doesn't mean 1st party games wont be pushing tech in their games, but it may temper 3rd party games for awhile.

Tying your next gen super anaconda console to 6-7 year old hard ware is logical? How so?

 

[ethomaz]

They didn’t enjoy a giant market share like they do now, they were neck and neck with Microsoft. Plus with the similar architects, it would be much easier to release games on both PS4 and PS5 starting out.

Nah they will push PS5

It is te best thing to do and killer strategy.

BTW I call that info from Jez bullshit... MS wants to win the next gen... they will have exclusives for the new family only (Anaconda and Lockhart).

 

[mejin]

Some of the studios from Sony WWS are not silent for nothing...come on, now.

 

[demigod]

That was a previous gen. and even then, you did get games that were on both the new and old system.

That way of buying a game for a closed system has gone the way of the dodo. It’s all about future proofing now. If you buy last of us 2, it WILL work on PS4 and it WILL work on PS5. Likewise, if you buy untitled PS5 launch game, it WILL work on PS5 but also cut down on PS4. Same disk.

You can’t honestly be surprised by this?

No it has not, there WILL be exclusive to PS5. Every Playstation gen has had new games that were exclusive to that system/gen. Why are you even mentioning a PS4 game in The Last of Us 2? We talking about PS5 exclusive here.

 

[Pallas]

Nah they will push PS5

It is te best thing to do and killer strategy.

We can agree to disagree, the entire strategy is to make money and by releasing on both consoles starting out would maximize their profits because not everyone is going to buy a new console right away. I don’t expect support to fade away, and rely on third party support. I think at least for a year, maybe more, which may very well align with your statement about Ghost being the last for the PS4.

 

[ethomaz]

I will say more...

Release two consoles... one stronger (Anaconda) and other weaker (Lockhart) without having exclusives to sell the cheaper option?

So why bother with Lockhart at all?

Non sense.

MS will have exclusives at launch.

 

[llien]

If you would develop a new cross-plat game, would you ignore previous gen, which is 100 million install base of PS4 alone?

 

[Burrito Bandito]

i was expecting Halo Infinite to be exclusive. You want people to upgrade, so give them as many reasons as possible to

 

[ethomaz]

If you would develop a new cross-plat game, would you ignore previous gen, which is 100 million install base of PS4 alone?

To sell and build the new userbase making your actual userbase migrate.

Not making exclusives will just trow away all the userbase they build this gen and start a new one from 0... with exclusives you already start your userbase with the upgrade/migrate users.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

No it has not, there WILL be exclusive to PS5. Every Playstation gen has had new games that were exclusive to that system/gen. Why are you even mentioning a PS4 game in The Last of Us 2? We talking about PS5 exclusive here.

I mentioned LOU2 because that will be forward planned. The game will run on pro and PS5 with better resolution, effects, frame rate, all the usual gubbins.

Consoles as you know them have died. You aren’t buying a PS5 or an Xbox 747. You’re buying a PlayStation and an Xbox. They want you playing on the system you have. Yes, games will never look as good on older hardware. Of course not. But if you want the best, you have to buy the best.

This is how it’s been on pc gaming for all of time. Multiple systems with multiple components and multiple configs for games. A game that releases in a few months on pc will run on systems years old, just jot as fast, or as pretty - and that’s what both studios want. They want you in the eco system.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I mean this is the perfect place to make a mean comment about Xbox now, but that would be childish.

But I have to say I am surprised by this, (if it is true), because I think appealing and graphically stunning games is exactly what Microsoft would need for the release of their next gen console to promote and highlight it and not some sort of generational transitionphase just to have more short-run software sales.

For Sony the story is different imho.

If I was Microsoft having the best looking and most stunning game ever being revealed and launched alongside the next xbox would be exactly what I think is the right way to go to have a huge impact on consumer perception.

But I am not Microsoft.

Why wouldn't cross platform games be stunning on Xbox Scarlett? I never understood this logic. Why wouldn't Microsoft add effects, up the texture resolutions and up the poly counts to their new flagship console? Even Xbox One X Enhanced titles received 4k Asset Packs.

i was expecting Halo Infinite to be exclusive. You want people to upgrade, so give them as many reasons as possible to

343 Said it was for both platforms since the day it was announced. More players = better experiences.

Lockhart will be weaker than X lol

You should absolutely stop to sell old hardware to sell new one... more you do that better.

With a better CPU and a more efficient GPU. Sure. They may actually be on par with one another.

Nah they will push PS5

It is te best thing to do and killer strategy.

BTW I call that info from Jez bullshit... MS wants to win the next gen... they will have exclusives for the new family only (Anaconda and Lockhart).

Meanwhile, Sony said it will receive content for another 3 years.

 

[NickFire]

Will wait and see. A few years seems a bit of a stretch, but I can kind of understand the first year to two years. Would hope for a few single player gems early next generation, but for the big multiplayer games I assume the development cost requires a return of investment that might not be possible early in a cycle anymore.

 

[llien]

So why bother with Lockhart at all?

Stronger one for upgrading users, slower ones for new users.
If users are already in xbox world, MS wouldn't care.

To sell and build the new userbase making your actual userbase migrate.

You stop selling old hardware and it eventually dies.
But as long as users pay full price for games, why do you care, if your main business is game sales cut?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Exactly. We have moved beyond “up the resolution” for the mid gen refresh. Games are now adding more effects, better physics, more enemy AI etc. This is on a mid gen refresh.

And as for Halo Infinite... That was known agggges ago it was going to be cross system.

 

[ethomaz]

Stronger one for upgrading users, slower ones for new users.
If users are already in xbox world, MS wouldn't care.


You stop selling old hardware and it eventually dies.
But as long as users pay full price for games, why do you care, if your main business is game sales cut?

Lockhart will be weaker than X lol

You should absolutely stop to sell old hardware to sell new one... more you do that better... it is even better now that all PS4 games will run on PS5 so you want everybody to convert to PS5 ASAP.

 

[llien]

Lockhart will be weaker than X lol

You should absolutely stop to sell old hardware to sell new one... more you do that better.

I don't see how Lockhart could be weaker than old X.
It could be half of what next gen box will be, which would still be in 6Tf area.

Plus, possibly, the new "sauce", RT gimmicks, etc.

 

[demigod]

I mentioned LOU2 because that will be forward planned. The game will run on pro and PS5 with better resolution, effects, frame rate, all the usual gubbins.

Consoles as you know them have died. You aren’t buying a PS5 or an Xbox 747. You’re buying a PlayStation and an Xbox. They want you playing on the system you have. Yes, games will never look as good on older hardware. Of course not. But if you want the best, you have to buy the best.

This is how it’s been on pc gaming for all of time. Multiple systems with multiple components and multiple configs for games. A game that releases in a few months on pc will run on systems years old, just jot as fast, or as pretty - and that’s what both studios want. They want you in the eco system.

Consoles aren't dead, go whine in another thread about that if you think so. Of course you mention TLOU2 because Sony hasn't released too much info about next gen nor its games. Once they do a reveal, expect new launch games exclusive to PS5.

 

[ethomaz]

Feeling the quotes in a few years...

"if MS didn't screw up at launch they could have success this gen... Don Mattrik Spenser was the worst things that happed to Xbox ever"

Déjà vu.

PS. The good news is that I believe this Jez news is bullshit so the Déjà vu could not happen at all.

 

[CJY]

I wouldn't be so confident in that. With 100 million PS4's out in the wild, it would be dumb to make a PS5 only game at launch for a relatively small amount of early adopters.

What, like they did with ps1 -> Ps2, PS2 -> PS3 and PS3 -> PS4. What are you talking about?

 

[VectorVictor]

Oh really? You wanna explain to me why Knack and Killzone were launch titles?

You do realize that the PS4 was not backwards compatible with the PS3, whereas the PS5 is backwards compatible with the PS4?

One game, both consoles...yes, there may be next-gen exclusives, but most games will have hooks for both systems, and likely download the appropriate assets at the expense of the user's bandwidth.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Consoles aren't dead, go whine in another thread about that if you think so. Of course you mention TLOU2 because Sony hasn't released too much info about next gen nor its games. Once they do a reveal, expect new launch games exclusive to PS5.

I didn’t say consoles are dead? I said consoles as you know them, are dead. Consoles are now eco systems, they are more like pc boxes, in that you will have multiple spec machines, all running the same game but in different configurations.

I Hope consoles never die. They offer a simple plug and play way to game and have just as much a place in the home as pc gaming does.

 

[Hendrick's]

Tying your next gen super anaconda console to 6-7 year old hard ware is logical? How so?

What, like they did with ps1 -> Ps2, PS2 -> PS3 and PS3 -> PS4. What are you talking about?

Consoles are just PC's now. There is no reason to not offer a dialed back version so long as people are still buying games for the older consoles.

 

[demigod]

You do realize that the PS4 was not backwards compatible with the PS3, whereas the PS5 is backwards compatible with the PS4?

One game, both consoles...yes, there may be next-gen exclusives, but most games will have hooks for both systems, and likely download the appropriate assets at the expense of the user's bandwidth.

PS3 was backwards compatible with PS2 and there were exclusives for PS3, try again.

 

[CJY]

I think they may have some exclusives, but they won't be heavy hitters. Tech-wise, there is little reason not to have a PS4/XBO version of any of these new games.

Same as with every gen previous. They are called cross-gen titles.

I highly doubt PS4 with the forward compatible with PS5. it seems silly to suggest Sony will do this. Sure, devs could probably do patches and it may be a feature of Sony's SDK but I would be very surprised if it's part of their marketing plan.

I can see MS doing it in their attempt at extinction the concept of generations, but if anybody thinks you'll be able to take a PS5 disc and put it into a PS4 and have it run, I think you'll be disappointed.

Don't get my wrong, it would be awesome, but no way that's happening with Sony.

 

[CJY]

Consoles are just PC's now. There is no reason to not offer a dialed back version so long as people are still buying games for the older consoles.

Yes, Consoles are like PCs. Does that mean you can stick a PS4 game into a PC and have it run? No.

Sure, Sony could do it, but will they? Not a chance in hell IMO. Not for PS5. Whether that's a good or bad strategy remains to be seen. The most I can see is a continuation of their Cross-buy strategy going into next gen.

 

[VectorVictor]

PS3 was backwards compatible with PS2 and there were exclusives for PS3, try again.

Because extensive online updates weren't a big thing at the beginning of the PS3 era. Everything was still self-contained on the disk, save for small updates.

So try getting the big picture again, puny god.

 

[Hendrick's]

but if anybody thinks you'll be able to take a PS5 disc and put it into a PS4 and have it run, I think you'll be disappointed.

Not sure that's what the argument was, but now that you bring it up, why not?

 

[demigod]

Because extensive online updates weren't a big thing at the beginning of the PS3 era. Everything was still self-contained on the disk, save for small updates.

So try getting the big picture again, puny god.

No you're still wrong. PS4 had cross gen games with PS3.