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[somerset]

And in Australia small tits are *illegal* in porn, cos- you know- underage girls have 'small' tits- so adult porn stars with small tits are 'obviously' making 'child' porn (I kid you not).

You know, it's funny. Most males are not exactly in good shape, especially when older. But does that mean males scream in outrage at the massively muscled action heroes cos it just ain't 'real'.

These are games aimed at boys/men. If the fantasy of big tits helps sell the games, there there is *nothing* wrong in giving these customers what they want.

Fiction is exactly that- make believe. Fiction was *never* supposed to be an accurate portrayal of reality. This fact isn't in debate. So the SJW types in this thread are all part of a team that is about societal control for the most evil possible reasons (which recently shows up in their attempts to start the Iran war).

Their weasal words play on the low IQ types who are otherwise decent people. And you'll notice how persistant the usual suspects are in these threads. Orwellian or stasi like control takes an army of enforcers operating wherever ordinary people hang out.

Those of you that 'argue' with these would-be enforcers are wasting your time. The statist thugs only win via ruthless persistance- breaking the will of decent people. That's how they took control in East Germany, for instance, where 1-in-10 of the population would have actively justified the (East German cultural equivalent) of banning big tits in a game in public discussions, because 1-in-10 of adult E Germans chose to be stasi informers.

An issue like this may seem trivial- but not when you know the history of population control in regimes like E Germany. For it is actually the grind of constant censorship like this that is best for crushing the spirit of normal people.

 

[BruceCM]

 

[sevoro]

And in Australia small tits are *illegal* in porn, cos- you know- underage girls have 'small' tits- so adult porn stars with small tits are 'obviously' making 'child' porn (I kid you not).

You know, it's funny. Most males are not exactly in good shape, especially when older. But does that mean males scream in outrage at the massively muscled action heroes cos it just ain't 'real'.

These are games aimed at boys/men. If the fantasy of big tits helps sell the games, there there is *nothing* wrong in giving these customers what they want.

Fiction is exactly that- make believe. Fiction was *never* supposed to be an accurate portrayal of reality. This fact isn't in debate. So the SJW types in this thread are all part of a team that is about societal control for the most evil possible reasons (which recently shows up in their attempts to start the Iran war).

Their weasal words play on the low IQ types who are otherwise decent people. And you'll notice how persistant the usual suspects are in these threads. Orwellian or stasi like control takes an army of enforcers operating wherever ordinary people hang out.

Those of you that 'argue' with these would-be enforcers are wasting your time. The statist thugs only win via ruthless persistance- breaking the will of decent people. That's how they took control in East Germany, for instance, where 1-in-10 of the population would have actively justified the (East German cultural equivalent) of banning big tits in a game in public discussions, because 1-in-10 of adult E Germans chose to be stasi informers.

An issue like this may seem trivial- but not when you know the history of population control in regimes like E Germany. For it is actually the grind of constant censorship like this that is best for crushing the spirit of normal people.

Not that I agree one way or another, but I would say normal people wouldn't care in this instance at least.

 

[BruceCM]

 

[TGO]

I don't think the size of her boobs is the problem, they are pretty decent size after all.
But the added support so she's knocking enemies out with her fists instead of her boobs is probably what they're referring to.
Guess they didn't what it to look like a DOA game.

 

[Senhua]

I don't think the size of her boobs is the problem, they are pretty decent size after all.
But the added support so she's knocking enemies out with her fists instead of her boobs is probably what they're referring to.
Guess they didn't what it to look like a DOA game.

Shrug... whatever it's their product.
Hopefully all of this Ethics shit worth it for them, to get at least E-YA rating cause even with Dahlia XBC2 managed to get T.

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

Also haven't they said they are going to make changes to the cross-dressing scene that are on par with today's sensibilities?

 

[plushyp]

Her thighs look great with thigh highs. Your the only guy I’ve seen that dislikes them.

Oh there are quite a few detractors out there. The black stockings make her look very generic and she looks even thinner because of them. Even though in actuality she seems fine but the stockings are having that slimming effect.

 

[Helios]

they exclusively adding stockings because Japanese love it

Hell yeah, they do. Based Japan.

 

[Enjay]

Also haven't they said they are going to make changes to the cross-dressing scene that are on par with today's sensibilities?

Most likely right after having consentual group sex with Mukki and his men Cloud will get the full procedure done and stay a woman. This in turn wraps up his whole storyline re: his identity issues prematurely and he has the strength to face Sephiroth much earlier.

 

[Airola]

This isn't about discriminating. You are arguing in bad faith. This is about designing a character that looks and fits in with the overall look of the main cast. And attractiveness through boobs is fine. Have you actually looked at Tifa's new design? She doesn't have small boobs.

I don't really care much about Tifa's looks and I was not serious with calling it discrimination. The point was to note that if this really is a decision made by some ethics department and they have decided it's not good to have Tifa be as shamelessly voluptous as she originally was, then shouldn't it logically follow that it is unethical to have that type of bodies portrayed in a game. And in today's world where a lot of calls out for discrimination are being thrown out, isn't it discriminating towards woman who actually have bodies like that? I don't think half of the things people call discrimination are discrimination, and I don't really think this is discrimination either, but the context being the ethics department making a decision to change something in a game logically seems to point to some people saying certain types of body figures are more unethical to show than others.

Now, this can all be just some big misunderstanding of course. Maybe they didn't mean an actual ethics department but it was just a mistranslation, or maybe they mentioned ethics department in a jokingly manner. Who knows.
But IF they have an ethics department and if that department made them change the design of how her breasts are portrayed in the game, then that's a problem. The problem isn't that a designer wanted to make this kind of Tifa, but the problem is that ethics department thought it's their thing to control that aspect of the designs.

The designs are made to attract nevertheless. Strong is strong, handsome is handsome, pretty is pretty, beautiful is beautiful, cute is cute. The women in FF7Remake are beautiful. The men are handsome or "manly cute", and the mascot characters are as cute as they can be. I guarantee there will be countless of kids and adults, boys and girls, women and men, whose hearts are melted by the sight of the eyes, faces and the bodies of the characters. Not one single character will be designed to be unattractive. The ethics department has no issue with that, but when the breasts are shown in a certain way it's now a thing that needs to be changed. And saying it's because of it's too unnatural is obviously bullshit as first of all it's not the job of any ethics department to make judgments of what is natural. Their job should be to keep things ethically correct, not to give opinions of what is more plausible appearance from world design standpoint, especially in a game where the whole point is completely based in fantasy and science fiction.

Tifa can punch robots with her bare hands and Barret shoots a living cactus with an arm cannon, but suddenly it's not fitting for that world to have a woman have big boobs move around the way they would naturally move. Sure, for real people it's painful to jump around with huge boobs swinging around, but these characters are slashed and shot and stabbed and mutilated in all kinds of manners without dying until hit points get to zero (and even then having some medicine dropped on them brings them back to life). But no, it's too unrealistic for a fantasy character to have big less constrained boobs - and for some reason this is a thing where an ethical department can and will have a say.

Again, I have no issue with how Tifa looks like on its own (I was more into Yuffie anyway back in the day). The only issue I have is the context of ethics in this matter - which obviously might be just a thing of a mistranslation or a joke.

 

[Astartes]

So physical form of the player characters can't be unrealistic in a game where you at some point kill a living cactus with magical things.
Besides there are women who are thin but who have big boobs. Isn't this discriminating them if that body form is considered unethical?



Basically there is no reason to make anyone attractive in any other way either. Why attractiveness through boob size is worse than attractiveness through pretty eyes? Is being attracted to boobs more unethical than being attracted to pretty eyes?

Her boobs are the same size. The bra isn't about them being too big, but because a martial artist needs a sport bra for fighting

Your big tiddy representation is still being presented but in a practical way.

 

[Tomeru]

I thought restrict meant in ragards to movement

 

[BruceCM]

None of those defending Tifa's new look seem to get the actual complaint .... Please explain how it's an ETHICS decision?
As I said, if the interview had gone along lines like: "while working on designs, we decided to give Tifa a sports bra to better fit our overall vision... " or anything like that, we'd be reasonably happy

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

Her boobs are the same size. The bra isn't about them being too big, but because a martial artist needs a sport bra for fighting

Your big tiddy representation is still being presented but in a practical way.

And that is the point, why THIS was the specific that needed changing? It raises more eyebrows than it shuts.

Also, CuteSexyRobutts is also my fave artist.

 

[DryPancakes]

Your big tiddy representation is still being presented but in a practical way.

Why is practicality even a thing that matters for a fictional character?

 

[LMJ]

Once again incorrect translation hastily pushed out for early clicks...

The other thread it covers the correct translation and proves like the post above me says that this was more about a realistic depiction of Tifa and her garments for action gameplay rather than having her breast sway to-and-fro in a flimsy top, there doesn't appear to have been any actual censorship or changing for Western audiences this was just bad translation of the original Famitsu article

 

[infinitys_7th]

Wait. . .if they have a department of breast size ethics, that means they have to inspect the breasts.

 

[Fuz]

Where is SE's ethics dept when it comes to the absurd amount of DLC they dump into games now?

Didn't you knew? DLCs, microtransactions and loot boxes are ethic. Boobs are not.

My girlfriend is unethical, then.

We need proof of her unheticness.

 

[kunonabi]

Once again incorrect translation hastily pushed out for early clicks...

The other thread it covers the correct translation and proves like the post above me says that this was more about a realistic depiction of Tifa and her garments for action gameplay rather than having her breast sway to-and-fro in a flimsy top, there doesn't appear to have been any actual censorship or changing for Western audiences this was just bad translation of the original Famitsu article

A separate department was still involved in how her chest was presented, whether it was the amount of jiggle or the size is irrelevant. And considering its covering up for the new skin made visible by her lower cut top it's pretty obvious there was more to its inclusion than just support since you could have done that by just leaving her top alone and limiting the movement. Tifa was obviously an issue behind the scenes as they wouldnt have been so gunshy about showing her off otherwise.

 

[chaos789]

I thought everyone was fine with Tifa’s new look. So why are all these game “journalists” writing stories like their is some kind of mass outrage about the size of Tifa’s breasts.

Game journalism is a joke, then again it’s always been nothing more than PR for corporations.

 

[Abriael_GN]

A separate department was still involved in how her chest was presented, whether it was the amount of jiggle or the size is irrelevant. And considering its covering up for the new skin made visible by her lower cut top it's pretty obvious there was more to its inclusion than just support since you could have done that by just leaving her top alone and limiting the movement. Tifa was obviously an issue behind the scenes as they wouldnt have been so gunshy about showing her off otherwise.

Holding back the reveal of a beloved character for E3, when the biggest amount of people possible are going to be watching, for the biggest possible effect, with a little tease at the beginning making people think that she wouldn't be shown until she appeared on screen, is literally the geometric opposite of "gunshy."

 

[MagnesG]

Shrug... whatever it's their product.
Hopefully all of this Ethics shit worth it for them, to get at least E-YA rating cause even with Dahlia XBC2 managed to get T.

I don’t believe shit’s the original reason of it.

Her boobs are the same size. The bra isn't about them being too big, but because a martial artist needs a sport bra for fighting

Your big tiddy representation is still being presented but in a practical way.

I know I know, but not big enough.

Spoiler

I kid

 

[Airola]

Her boobs are the same size. The bra isn't about them being too big, but because a martial artist needs a sport bra for fighting

Your big tiddy representation is still being presented but in a practical way.

A fantasy martial artist needs a sport bra just as much as she needs protection for her fists when she's punching robots so hard they will explode.
And of course this is a thing that needs to be addressed and corrected by a department controlling the ethical side of the game.

Not only a fantasy character needs sports bra when she's punching a living cactus and whatever the hell a Tonberry is, but it's also a matter of ethics too

None of those defending Tifa's new look seem to get the actual complaint .... Please explain how it's an ETHICS decision?
As I said, if the interview had gone along lines like: "while working on designs, we decided to give Tifa a sports bra to better fit our overall vision... " or anything like that, we'd be reasonably happy

Exactly this.

 

[Airola]

Once again incorrect translation hastily pushed out for early clicks...

The other thread it covers the correct translation and proves like the post above me says that this was more about a realistic depiction of Tifa and her garments for action gameplay rather than having her breast sway to-and-fro in a flimsy top, there doesn't appear to have been any actual censorship or changing for Western audiences this was just bad translation of the original Famitsu article

I read some corrected translation. It still has them talking about an ethics committee. That's the only thing that bothers people and that still hasn't changed.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ethics department. Wow. Who knew Human Resources wouldn't be able to tell the team what is and isn't suitable.

 

[Avion4017]

Personally, I'll wait until the Don Corneo scenario, where Tifa won't be in a sports bra, to make any real judgement here.

 

[Imperialis]

Square-Enix Ethics Department: These milkers are yikes! Shrink them!

Now look. I love big ass anime tits but don’t you think that’ll look a bit silly on remake Tifa?

 

[mortal]

Why is practicality even a thing that matters for a fictional character?

lol

Simply being a fictional character does't mean some practicality isn't useful in design. It's all about context and setting.
Doing away with the idea of being practical altogether you risk shattering the suspension of disbelief, even in Final Fantasy game.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Her boobs are the same size. The bra isn't about them being too big, but because a martial artist needs a sport bra for fighting

LOL this is the same girl that is not a Mako powered soldier/experiment or does any kinds of weighs and can suplex giant monsters and punch things to death with literal stick limbs. She even survived THE GAS CHAMBER . Come on man why go in circles? They decided to model a character a certain way and they have an ETHICS department that focuses on ETHICS ffs.

nsfw non ethical image related

Spoiler

 

[Joshmyersbv]

I just can't believe we're talking about the feasibility and realism of a character's chest in regards to her ability to use martial arts in a remake of a Japanese RPG that came out in the fucking 90's. She had big tits then, she should have big tits now end of discussion. If you're going to go into detail about how a woman with double D size chest can't realistically do a jumping uppercut on a giant mechanical robot dinosaur without her tits hitting her face. Then you need to take time off the internet.

 

[Paracelsus]

Speaking of practicality, I wonder if we can get one of those fine interviewers to ask the Square Enix development team the practical use of this

Not many people noticed, but it seems to be an attachment, some sort of detachable backplate for her arse.
What is the purpose of that? In case someone kicks her in the butt? Does it detach and turn into Kitana's steel fan?

Spoiler

Or they simply felt giving her bloomers wasn't enough so they went all the way to obliterate male gaze?

 

[Helios]

Speaking of practicality, I wonder if we can get one of those fine interviewers to ask the Square Enix development team the practical use of this

Not many people noticed, but it seems to be an attachment, some sort of detachable backplate for her arse.
What is the purpose of that? In case someone kicks her in the butt? Does it detach and turn into Kitana's steel fan?

Spoiler

Or they simply felt giving her bloomers wasn't enough so they went all the way to obliterate male gaze?

I don't know if you're arguing about her belt thingy or if you just want her skirt taken off. I'm with you either way.

 

[DryPancakes]

Simply being a fictional character does't mean some practicality isn't useful in design. It's all about context and setting.
Doing away with the idea of being practical altogether you risk shattering the suspension of disbelief, even in Final Fantasy game.

suspension of disbelief is subjective and I don't believe breast size or sport bras are the final straw for it to start shattering, we've had many MANY female characters without sports bra and big boobs and it has never mattered, only now it matters for obvious "current year" reasons.

I still stand by the point I've made 2 or 3 times already (and nobody has countered btw), practicality and realism only seem to apply to female characters, which sounds like an excuse for activists and "ethics departments" to start changing designs.

 

[Vayne]

Ethics what?

 

[Astartes]

They decided to model a character a certain way and they have an ETHICS department that focuses on ETHICS ffs.

nsfw non ethical image related

You guys have the wrong idea if you think they asked for her boobs to be smaller.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

He's already being called out for misinterpreting words himself lol.

 

[Astartes]

He's already being called out for misinterpreting words himself lol.

Nomura: First of all, since we wanted Tifa to have defined abs, we made her more athletic looking. And then, there were also directions from our internal ethics committee that as not to make even the most intense action look unnatural it was necessary to bind [Tifa’s] chest. And thus, for her simple upper body clothing, we put a black undergarment with a fitting tank top for a fitness-conscious, sporty design. (CORRECTION 12:33am - The article originally read “single upper body clothing.” It should read “simple upper body clothing.” Brain fart!)

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Nomura: First of all, since we wanted Tifa to have defined abs, we made her more athletic looking. And then, there were also directions from our internal ethics committee that as not to make even the most intense action look unnatural it was necessary to bind [Tifa’s] chest. And thus, for her simple upper body clothing, we put a black undergarment with a fitting tank top for a fitness-conscious, sporty design. (CORRECTION 12:33am - The article originally read “single upper body clothing.” It should read “simple upper body clothing.” Brain fart!)

That makes less sense. Why are they worried about breast physics in the first place? Or things being unnatural? Did they forget how everything about FF is unnatural? They should just own up to their decisions instead of pussyfooting around the subject concerning a characters design like this. But I guess a company being honest is too much to ask. Oddest thing honestly. Game is gonna sell regardless of what Tifa looks like. There is no way in hell FF7 fans wouldn't buy this game. Even when the game was cut up to pieces with "episodes" they didn't even bat an eye. It is literally the most mainstream JRPG in existence. This is such a weird timeline.

 

[Tesseract]

damn those ingame assets are a mess, terrible materials, piss poor muscular

you are fucking it up, se

 

[Astartes]

They should just own up to their decisions instead of pussyfooting around the subject concerning a characters design like this.

The designer himself wanted Tifa to look more athletic and did that by giving her a sports bra. Also taking the departments note in consideration. Plus its a remake why shouldn't her design not be slightly altered or updated to appear sporty? The department didn't want Tifa's tits to be jiggling unnaturally in combat so it wouldnt be something to consider when rating.

 

[Tesseract]

is anyone really buying the sport's bra thing, lol

 

[Astartes]

is anyone really buying the sport's bra thing, lol

Why not?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Is SE going to tidy up Barrett's slang filled dialogue too?

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

The designer himself wanted Tifa to look more athletic and did that by giving her a sports bra. Also taking the departments note in consideration. Plus its a remake why shouldn't her design not be slightly altered or updated to appear sporty? The department didn't want Tifa's tits to be jiggling unnaturally in combat so it wouldnt be something to consider when rating.

The same post you quoted answered that. I honestly believe they are just covering their own ass for no reason whatsoever.

is anyone really buying the sport's bra thing, lol

Yes. Read that twitter.

 

[Arkage]

You guys have the wrong idea if you think they asked for her boobs to be smaller.

This has been pointed out multiple times by a variety of translation sources but this trainwreck of a thead just keeps on rollin' cuz ETHICS DEPT and JIGGLY BOOBS.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

Now look. I love big ass anime tits but don’t you think that’ll look a bit silly on remake Tifa?

no

 

[Astartes]

The same post you quoted answered that. I honestly believe they are just covering their own ass for no reason whatsoever.

Covering their own ass so that what would happen? Jiggly boobs on Tifa?

 

[Imperialis]

no

OK. why did you send me my avatar lol

 

[gatti-man]

Tiffa looks great I have to laugh when people say what’s the problem with D boobs on Tifa bc that’s literally what’s on her in the remake. What y’all are wanting is triple D porno boobs. Either is fine with me but tbh this whole thread is embarrassing and it’s needless.