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SLoWMoTIoN
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I'm not slinging mud for the hell of it here though?
Anyway this came to mind when I read the rest of this post.
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Square Enix has an ethics department; Told the Final Fantasy 7 remake developers to "restrict" Tifa's chest
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Anyway this came to mind when I read the rest of this post.
I don't care about you argument anymore. People like you make me sick, you can not have a discussion without insulting people.
Psykodad
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Stop being so overly sensitive.
Funny, because you're on her level, just the opposite end.
Anyway this came to mind when I read the rest of this post.
But you don't even realize it.
That's all I'm saying. "Sorry" if my choice of words offends you.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Wow you are bored. Alright I'll reply once more.
Didn't you just post a 5 minute video of some random guy? Who is overreacting to a shitpost on 4channel? Interesting.
You didn't offend me but you tried! The video was pretty shit though but it wasn't offensive.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Pixel characters don't need boobs either so....
Well....no I said you're a caveman and immature if you are "ONLY" attracted to exaggerated sexy characters. The "only" part matters. So as the saying goes....."hit dogs holla".
Half this thread is based on people insulting Square for even having an ethics department and allowing them to have any say on the design of a game. Maybe think about why some gamers get so upset because their favorite video game character doesn't have mountains for boobs.
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#Phonepunk#
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Fuz
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Nice strawman.
We're not talking about boobs, we're talking about fidelity to the original, censorship and stupid, pathetic excuses.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Not a strawman at all. But more importantly, it's not censorship. It's literally a department within SquareEnix. And do we know if the artist working on FF7 disagreed with this "ethics" department? And the fidelity to the original is darn near perfect. Most people have recognized this.
Now it's up to you if you don't like or accept the excuses (or "reasons" as I see them). But let's stop playing silly as if the Tifa Remake isn't a great interpretation of the original.
Fuz
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It's censorship.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Fuz
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People already explained it to you time and again.
It's tiring and definitely not worth the trouble: you just suck up their lies, I doubt there's any way to make you understand how things are.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
There a difference between insulting a video game company and people. For example i don't like how Sega handle the Sega Saturn in the US. and I called them out on it at the time. By the way I am personally, fine with the redesign of Tifa.
Astartes
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Thank god, i thought i was the only sane person in this threadDid you not see these gifs with how boobs with with different clothing?
Why are you so attracted to the SJW vs Anti-SJW war so much? Did you want Tifa to be wearing a bathing suit? You act as if you were in the ethics meetings with Square or something.
MagnesG
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Just move on now. Vote with your interest as there's no point arguing your stance here. Later it will only become the batlte of stereotypes calling and occasional low self-esteem shitposters.
Well now I'm back
"Ethics department"
Well now I'm back
sevoro
Member
Why do you so fervently believe this decision was based on SJW sensibilities? And where is your proof that isn't based on conjecture?
Grand Theft Scratchy
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I'm actually curious what's not to like about this design?
And if you think her chest should be bigger, by how much exactly? What will satisfy you guys?
And if you think her chest should be bigger, by how much exactly? What will satisfy you guys?
sevoro
Member
I want balloons.I'm actually curious what's not to like about this design?
And if you think her chest should be bigger, by how much exactly? What will satisfy you guys?
Grand Theft Scratchy
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It's just insane we're 12 pages in to this "controversy" because of an ethics department. When this game releases and people play it they will be too engrossed in the story and gameplay. That's how it's always been with this kind of stuff on the internet.
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ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
This is some weird Twilight Zone "#FreeTheTitty," sort of thread lemme tell ya lol
sevoro
Member
I expect a few of these people to keep their outrage boner.
Now then, if stuff like the honey bee inn is changed drastically that would be worth discussing. Right now all we have is an artist's decision to alter Tifa's design because they were asked/requested to by the ethics department. Equating that stuff to SJW pressure or w/e is more baseless than the flat Earth theory.
Personally would have loved bigger boobs. But, I am not gonna lambaste the ethics department nor assume to know what they or the artist are thinking.
lukilladog
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I'm actually curious what's not to like about this design?
And if you think her chest should be bigger, by how much exactly? What will satisfy you guys?
I really don´t care about the size, it´s good to have variety. What I really despise are idiots outside the creatives dictating what size or bounciness is, "correct".
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Arkage
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The real controversy here is that Barret is now wearing a shirt instead of just a vest so his man boobs are now covered up.
I need me some OUTRAGE at PC CULTURE for the lack of black male cleavage in this game, the only cleavage we know to have been officially censored out by the devs.
WHERE ARE MY PITCHFORK BROS. SOMEONE NEEDS TO CREATE ANOTHER OUTRAGE THREAD.
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Dacon
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As stupid as all this is, are people seriously arguing that a fake person made out of pixels needs bra support? That a character's design needs to "make sense" in a fantasy game? Come on. Where was all of this stupidity when the original game came out?
All of these arguments are stupid and people are just getting dumber and dumber in their attacks and defensiveness over this subject.
All of these arguments are stupid and people are just getting dumber and dumber in their attacks and defensiveness over this subject.
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DryPancakes
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It's dumb to complain about polygonal boobs, it's dumb to think a fictional characcter needs back support and it's dumb to think a practical/realistic design is objectively better in a FANTASY game.
It's NOT dumb to question non-creative departments altering creative decisions and it's NOT dumb to suspect activist/regulation/ethics groups strongarming and guilt tripping devs (especially japanese) into compliance with western outrage culture.
It's NOT dumb to question non-creative departments altering creative decisions and it's NOT dumb to suspect activist/regulation/ethics groups strongarming and guilt tripping devs (especially japanese) into compliance with western outrage culture.
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Imperialis
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These guys are performing some mental gymnastics and disingenuous ass arguments. An ethics department asking for a characters breasts to not jiggle profusely! And the designer had no problem working out a cool solution!
You guys are being upset for no one but yourselves. Focus on other things like how other female characters need fat asses instead.
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Panajev2001a
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Ok, fair... how is her wearing a sports bra instead of a more loose top an ethics matter ?
This is beyond a personal preference of the end users protesting, hence why some people ignore the ad hominem and being the point back.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Ok, but how is this an ethics issue? What was unethical about the design before the alteration?
Arkage
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Yea I bet the creatives of FF7R really wanted to show some black man titty cleavage and bouncing but then the Ethics Dept told them they had to bind his tits so they put him in a shirt. Western Outrage Culture strikes again! Or actually none of that happened because Tifa's tits are the only tits anybody cares about
(also, a realistic design is objectively better in a remake where the goal is to portray the human characters as realistically as possible i.e. they could be real life people. inb4 "cloud using big heavy sword" see: jenova cells+skinny guy power fantasy, unlike loose Tifa tits which could only be rationalized as purely sexual fan service)
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Dacon
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That's not the goal though? They admitted that they completely revamped Cloud's design to make him resemble the art and design of the original game. They've intentionally stylized the character models compared to how they looked in the psx 2015 reveal to make them look more stylized, which they've also admitted.
Also, if realistic design is the goal, to make characters as realistic as possible, then they already failed with Barret, Cloud, and Sephiroth. None of these characters look like real people.
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Psykodad
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Dude, at the end of the day, you're the one getting all worked up over slightly reduced boobs on a videogame character.
You even started a new thread on something that already had a seperate thread, to continue your rant by hiding it behind "requested by fellow gaffer".
You need to re-evaluate your life if all this really gets to you this much.
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MagnesG
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You also need to step outside, people discussed a lot of things here, not just boobies. There's the existence of "ethics department", the conversation between them and the devs, alteration for the pub scene etc. This is getting ridiculous I know. Maybe we all need to step outside and chill. I'm sure after this you are less prone to call other people 'pathetic'. Let's be respectful at least, not turning into subhumans, just wanting to bark insults at each other like dogs.
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I realized you're calling the situation 'pathetic', not at person. Still hold some weight though..
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Enygger_Tzu
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Let me ask, what has the change of this "Ethics Department" has entailed? Where it started and stopped?
Let me tell you where, Tifa's chest size and cleavage (male gaze), Honey Bee Inn's content (male gaze and accusations of homophobia) and of course, Cloud's cross-dressing mission (accussations of transphobia) the latter to fit "modern sensibilities".
If you don't see a pattern here, you are willfully ignorant.
Also @
mckmas8808
can I make you to answer my questions before you start asking the same questions I answered beforehand?
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SLoWMoTIoN
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He's just bored. Don't entertain him.
Psykodad
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sevoro
Member
As you can see I have no real opinion on the supposed ethics, I only care about what the artist feels.
Enygger_Tzu
says that the ethics department has influence on all things like honey bee inn. Also they still have not provided any proof on the effect SJW's have on all this censorship, Which screams to me a false narrative or a narrow view. (I asked for something that wasn't based on conjecture, give me an article or an interview.) It's almost as bad as being an SJW who believes they have an influence on the industry.But the removal of such things are more in line with prudes such as right wing conservatives rather than the SJW fringe of the left, which to me makes me wonder, why do people believe in an SJW narrative? Where is the proof?
If I were to assume one thing, it would be that ethics want to avoid any scruffle with Sony's censorship.
But I wouldn't present this as a fact.
Dacon
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I'm sorry what? I have no issue with the rest of your post, but dude you've missed some shit.
sevoro
Member
Explain. To me it's just becoming a catch all term losing it's original meaning.
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Dacon
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The removal of "oversexualized women" in fiction, notably games and comics has been a goal amongst feminist types for what feels like the last decade. It was even a tentpole in Anita's crusade against game. They in particular have a bone to pick with Japanese games.
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Psykodad
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Don't get me wrong, I fully stand by the things I've said.
Anyway, I'm out. This discussion ran out of fun.
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sevoro
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I'll have to concede this bit then, cause what you said is true. Maybe I should've reworded it to make it more of a personal view. I still believe it's more conservative than SJW, mainly for the fact that everything SJW's argue for make no sense in anyway what so ever, it's contradictory.
Side-note me and my friends make fun of everything Anita has done.
Dacon
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As do all individuals of sound mind.
Slings and Arrows
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Can someone ELI5 about why this is even a talking point?
I'm guessing there are a lot of people in this thread who were attracted to tifa as their ideological gf, back when ff7 originally launched. A time when these people were awkward shut-ins who couldn't get a relationship irl and instead fantasised about a cartoon character?
I'm guessing there are a lot of people in this thread who were attracted to tifa as their ideological gf, back when ff7 originally launched. A time when these people were awkward shut-ins who couldn't get a relationship irl and instead fantasised about a cartoon character?
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