CrustyBritches
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I've been wondering about this too in relation to the unconfirmed OQA PCB leak. For the sake of not shitting up the thread I'll put this in a quote.
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Mr.XtremeGamer
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Different environment, different time of day, different weather .Therefore different lighting and visuals. Not really an apples to apples comparison.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Guys just don't quote that video. It's from a ridiculous Brazilian fanboy which lives from doing that kind of shit.
ResilientBanana
Member
Stiffer animation, the lighting is completely off especially on her hands, no SSAO, less detail. Didn't Naughty Dog do this with Uncharted 4 also? While TLOU2 still looks good, it doesn't look as good as the trailers do and that's probably because they realized during production that it wasn't possible to keep a steady framerate. Plus they will want to make it look it's best with additional visuals for PS5.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
32GB is overkill and unnecessarily expensive. 20-24GB is the sweet spot.
Imtjnotu
Member
I'm all for that ram but I don't feel like spending $600 on a console again
MikonJuice
Member
People talking about power and ram... and I'm here, cheering for the chance to use all my play2 and playone games that are on discs for... decades...
Sakura Wars and Dragon Quest VIII to be more specific.
Sakura Wars and Dragon Quest VIII to be more specific.
rəddəM
Member
16GB for games only I think is pretty decent.
Anything less than 16GB and I'm disappointed.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
That's not going to happen, don't worry.
TeamGhobad
Banned
wasn't 20gigs confirmed for nexbox? people read off the serial numbers off the RAm and it was a mixmatch of 2gb and 1gb and it added up to 20?
Again a lot of fun in this thread!
1. Over 16GB in a console... have you no pity for PC guys? They will need 32GB and more to keep up.
2. Powerful CPU here, powerful CPU there. There is no need in any CPU power in a console. Its only purpose is to run poor, underoptimized game logic code. If you need computational power - use GPGPU, if you cannot use it - you don't need power, you need to run your crappy underoptimized code. The only need for good CPU in a new console is for fast asset decompression when streamed from SSD.
3. Fast SSD is there for a reason, not to "reduce loading times", fuck me sideways, using a fast side bus just to load everything in memory, because you cannot stream properly? Go work in mcdonalds.
SSD is there for the streaming, use small amounts of RAM and constantly load assets, this way with a good flash bandwidth (>2GB/sec) you can get to almost infinite resources per-frame.
For example Killzone Shadowfall used ~1.5GB non-streaming assets and 500GB streaming pool (with 1.6GB streamable assets), essentially doubling the available assets, and all of that with 30-40MB/sec drive.
If you have 50x bandwidth, you can theoretically have 50x asset pool, like 80GB of streamable assets instead of 1.6GB. And if done right it behaves exactly like another 80GB of read-only RAM pages.
1. Over 16GB in a console... have you no pity for PC guys? They will need 32GB and more to keep up.
2. Powerful CPU here, powerful CPU there. There is no need in any CPU power in a console. Its only purpose is to run poor, underoptimized game logic code. If you need computational power - use GPGPU, if you cannot use it - you don't need power, you need to run your crappy underoptimized code. The only need for good CPU in a new console is for fast asset decompression when streamed from SSD.
3. Fast SSD is there for a reason, not to "reduce loading times", fuck me sideways, using a fast side bus just to load everything in memory, because you cannot stream properly? Go work in mcdonalds.
SSD is there for the streaming, use small amounts of RAM and constantly load assets, this way with a good flash bandwidth (>2GB/sec) you can get to almost infinite resources per-frame.
For example Killzone Shadowfall used ~1.5GB non-streaming assets and 500GB streaming pool (with 1.6GB streamable assets), essentially doubling the available assets, and all of that with 30-40MB/sec drive.
If you have 50x bandwidth, you can theoretically have 50x asset pool, like 80GB of streamable assets instead of 1.6GB. And if done right it behaves exactly like another 80GB of read-only RAM pages.
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Son_of_Zardoz
Banned
Sure we all know how terrible the cooling solutions have been on the different Xbox One models <insert fart noise here>
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I don't think so. Higher clocks on Ryzen 2 increase power consumption exponentially. MS will make some very customized changes if they want a better CPU, but much higher clocks probably won't be the case.
demigod
Member
I meant the GPU, not CPU.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Oh ok then.
Negotiator
Member
MS might push the CPU to 3.4 GHz vs only 3.2 GHz on the PS5:
www.notebookcheck.net
CPUs tend to have miniscule differences (OG PS4 vs XB1, Pro vs X). Nothing to brag about.
Supposed Xbox Scarlett devkit specifications leaked; outguns rumored PlayStation 5 power
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www.notebookcheck.net
CPUs tend to have miniscule differences (OG PS4 vs XB1, Pro vs X). Nothing to brag about.
bhunachicken
Member
16GB total would be disappointing. You'd be reserving some 3-4GB just for the OS, giving the devs just 12-13GB to work with.
That 12GB would then have to be split between CPU and GPU. Just 6GB each.
Probably sounds ridicilous to say "just 6GB each", but there's a lot you can do with 2GB extra.
Sticking with my 16+4 prediction. The PS4 Pro has 1GB DDR3 RAM just for the OS, so it would be sensible of the PS5 to take the same approach.
That 12GB would then have to be split between CPU and GPU. Just 6GB each.
Probably sounds ridicilous to say "just 6GB each", but there's a lot you can do with 2GB extra.
Sticking with my 16+4 prediction. The PS4 Pro has 1GB DDR3 RAM just for the OS, so it would be sensible of the PS5 to take the same approach.
Fake
Member
Again this shit? They made the same move on the original Xbox One to try match the base PS4.
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Negotiator
Member
I don't agree with 16GB rumors, but the bold part is not true.
AMD APUs offer hUMA, which means that both the CPU and the GPU have a unified address space and common memory pointers to access the same data sets (a requirement for HSA/GPGPU algos):
AMD HUMA - PS4 and Xbox One Memory System Analysis
AMD are keen to point out the benefits for HUMA (Heterogeneous Unified Memory Access), and there has been recent comments that it is also present in Sony's
www.redgamingtech.com
On the other hand, XBOX 360 offered plain UMA. You still had to split the pool there.
hUMA is the reason current-gen consoles still chug along with only 5GB of free RAM, while PCs need much more.
TeamGhobad
Banned
- Custom CPU based on AMD’s Zen 2 architecture: 12 cores; 3.4 GHz clock
- Custom GPU also from AMD – “Arcturus”: L4 1 GB @ 1.3 TB/s; 14.366 teraflops of power (80 CUs)
- 28 GB GDDR6 RAM (4 GB for the OS) @ 672 GB/s
- 500 GB NVMe SSD @ 6 GB/s cache + 1 TB HDD
- Hardware-based real-time ray tracing
- The Xbox Scarlett “secret sauce”
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Nope
No, because Arcturus has nothing to do with traditional GPUs. It's a Vega based GPU purely for computation like Instinct.
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Imtjnotu
Member
All for the low low price of $999. I'd buy this lol
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
What are your expected clocks and CU counts for both the Scarlett and the PS5?
Handy Fake
Member
Can I presume you got this from "misterXmedia"?
TLZ
Banned
Tales from who's ass is this?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Yeah, that’s the rumour killer right there.
demigod
Member
Not making any guesses on CU. I don't see PS5 gpu clocks being higher than 2ghz and I doubt MS will stick with 1.6ghz.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
pretty much everything about this is wrong. avatar bet. you can bookmark and quote me on this.
the only thing true is the hardware based realtime ray tracing. ssd will be 1gb minimum. gpu isnt arcturus, thats not even a desktop gpu. cpu is going to be 8 cores. ram might be accurate but i dont see why they would use 4gb of gddr6 ram for the os when ddr4 will do just fine.
FranXico
Member
1GB minimum? I'll say.
I know it's a typo and you meant 1TB, but I had to joke.
Xdrive05
Member
I’m in the dedicated OS RAM camp. Probably cheaper for them to have a 4GB DDR4 side piece and thus get away with “only” 16GB of GDDR6 to run the games.
Either way, seems like the solid state will be bussed such that it will be available as a 2nd tier RAM cache to mitigate limitations years down the road. In fact, if they do forego a dedicated OS chip that will be their excuse why. “12GB is plenty, we have 64GB as SSD RAM cache!”
Either way, seems like the solid state will be bussed such that it will be available as a 2nd tier RAM cache to mitigate limitations years down the road. In fact, if they do forego a dedicated OS chip that will be their excuse why. “12GB is plenty, we have 64GB as SSD RAM cache!”
alabtrosMyster
Banned
This is old, but I know many who got the og xbox for Halo, I'm pretty sure we can find PC gamers who got PS4s for Bloodborne, Horizon: ZD, Uncharted 4, God of War (one or multiple of them). Same for the Switch, in fact I know of one, well he probably also got it because there was some cool factor around the release of this console for whatever reason.
Imtjnotu
Member
I bought my switch just to play super smash. No other reason. There are plenty of gamers who buy consoles for exclusive games. Just let his delusional opinion be.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
RROD was caused by the switch to lead-free solder iirc.
Can you give a scenario using estimates with clocks and CUs that would result in MS choosing to "push their clocks higher to compete with PS5 and then end up with another RRoD fiasco."
If you believe that 2GHz is the ceiling for clocks, and Scarlett has the same amount of CUs, why would that clock speed damage the Scarlett and not the PS5? If Scarlett has more CU's, then it could have lower clock speed to get to the same performance, which should be even less of a risk.
demigod
Member
You might want to refer to the leaks on why PS5 is estimated to be ahead right now instead of asking these silly questions.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I'll just wait for you to post them and demonstrate why it would cause a rrod fiasco, since it's your claim.
demigod
Member
I guess I was wrong about the RRoD, but my point still stands. If you raise the clocks too high, it's going to crash.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
demigod
No worries. These new AMD chips have all sorts of thermal sensors in them and they'll simply throttle before cause any harm to the chip. A lot of "fun" has been taken out of CPU overclocking, because AMD has basically tied performance with quality of cooling and their boost systems handle the frequency scaling. Admittedly, I still don't understand the intricacies, but GamersNexus did some awesome vids on this subject...
Based on the X1X, MS can get to 20K+ Fire Strike score pretty easily. Not to say the PS5 isn't more powerful, just I don't see easy-breezy covergirl for Sony and crash and burn for MS at this level of performance. A 5700 XT ballz out will hit over 225W, and the cheapo blower can handle it "OK". These consoles shouldn't be over 200W.
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Little Chicken
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Crazy that we pretty much had the final specs for the PS4/X1 seventeen months away from launch, aside from the RAM sizes
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Latest reliable Orbis and Durango specs
Disclaimer: Everything isn't final, but the general range of these system are more or less set in stone. Durango: AMD CPU, 6-8 cores Ram 3-4 GB AMD GPU Total processing power 1-1.2 teraflops Note: I've heard of 8GB ram from reliable people on this form, but a certain, well...
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Mass Shift
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Crazy that we pretty much had the final specs for the PS4/X1 seventeen months away from launch, aside from the RAM sizes
Latest reliable Orbis and Durango specs
Disclaimer: Everything isn't final, but the general range of these system are more or less set in stone. Durango: AMD CPU, 6-8 cores Ram 3-4 GB AMD GPU Total processing power 1-1.2 teraflops Note: I've heard of 8GB ram from reliable people on this form, but a certain, well...
I think we have the PS5, minus memory. So it's almost like a repeat.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Just like Sales. You get the PS number (12TF) and minus a certain percentage to get the Xbox figure. (11TF)
Mass Shift
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