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[kevin_trinh]

better not try to arguing with NintenDrone, they can't play any game except Nintendo kid game only

 

[woigemok]

Yeah, again, you think constructing a permanent bridge in a game for other players to use is the same as your character becoming a vehicle to drive somewhere. It's really not worth talking to you about this unless you're going to be more intellectually honest.

just chill man, you went mad because of that comparison alone which is I consider the same QOL upgraded no matter what graphical presentation changes.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

just chill man, you went mad because of that comparison alone which is I consider the same QOL upgraded no matter what graphical presentation changes.

No, not that comparison alone, you made lots of dumb comparisons that proved you don't understand basic fundamental things like building a bridge and driving a car are different things to do in a game, also in real life, believe it or not!

 

[Psykodad]

Wasn't BotW a blacksmith simulator where you repair weapons every 5 minutes?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Wasn't BotW a blacksmith simulator where you repair weapons every 5 minutes?

you mean that unique dynamic system not at all influenced by Dark Souls?

 

[ethomaz]

Let's be honest... I did not have DS preordered and I should not buy it day one if not the reviews having issues to talk about the gameplay... that increased my interest so I bought day one.

After play the game I had a pleasant surprise because the gameplay that reviewers can't explain how it works is fabulous and for me the best part of the game... it is fun, addictive, challenging and gives you a high sense of archivment.

No video or stream can show how the gameplay works because you will see only San walking while you did not the gameplay mechanics the dude Playing had to use to walk that way.

The best recommendation I can give is... if you want an experience different from any other game then play the game.

You can end loving or hating but the experience to play something unique is there.

Streaming and videos for this game are basically useless and pointless except for the story.

 

[Psykodad]

you mean that unique dynamic system not at all influenced by Dark Souls?

Dude, BotW was so original, it revolutionized gaming retroactively.

 

[woigemok]

No, not that comparison alone, you made lots of dumb comparisons that proved you don't understand basic fundamental things like building a bridge and driving a car are different things to do in a game, also in real life, believe it or not!

Both are the QOL aspect of the game. Xenoblade X used skell to help the world traversal became faster and efficient the same thing applied to DS as well. It's basically a basic logic of gameplay design.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Dude, BotW was so original, it revolutionized gaming retroactively.

I hear it was literally the first open world game ever made.

 

[woigemok]

I hear it was literally the first open world game ever made.

The first open-world with open structure of story and gameplay design to be exact.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Both are the QOL aspect of the game. Xenoblade X used skell to help the world traversal became faster and efficient the same thing applied to DS as well. It's basically a basic logic of gameplay design.

Okay, this is completely reductionist, two games aren't similar because they both have ways to help you traverse a world better. This is on a level with "in Luigi's Mansion 3 ghosts are a big issue, just like Death Stranding" like give me a break dude. How are you not getting there's a massive difference between being able to drive somewhere and being able to CREATE THE ROAD YOU DRIVE ON TO GET THERE especially in a game WHERE YOU CAN GET IN A VEHICLE TOO.

The first open-world with open structure of story and gameplay design to be exact.

DO YOU LITERALLY BELIEVE THIS?

 

[woigemok]

Okay, this is completely reductionist, two games aren't similar because they both have ways to help you traverse a world better. This is on a level with "in Luigi's Mansion 3 ghosts are a big issue, just like Death Stranding" like give me a break dude. How are you not getting there's a massive difference between being able to drive somewhere and being able to CREATE THE ROAD YOU DRIVE ON TO GET THERE especially in a game WHERE YOU CAN GET IN A VEHICLE TOO.



DO YOU LITERALLY BELIEVE THIS?

Skell served the same purpose as a bridge and transportation in DS.

Believed in Zelda is the first with an open gameplay structure with a non-linear story structure? yes of course! the same reason why it scored 97 on metacritic with 70 perfect scores which DS failed to achieve.

 

[kevin_trinh]

Yeah building a bridge must be the same as making a plane, because they both help the world traversal better. Nice logic

 

[ethomaz]

Yeah building a bridge must be the same as making a plane, because they both help the world traversal better. Nice logic

At this point he is just trolling well to be fair since beginning... dumb me that took so much time to realize that... I trend to believe people are serious discussing lol

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Skell served the same purpose as a bridge and transportation in DS.

Believed in Zelda is the first with an open gameplay structure with a non-linear story structure? yes of course! the same reason why it scored 97 on metacritic with 70 perfect scores which DS failed to achieve.

I'm legitimately done... like WTF, how is this even real? Breath of the Wild released 2 years ago, not even the first time a ZELDA GAME had these elements.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

Dude, a thread for a Sony exclusive is being inundated with people saying LOL NINTENDO GAME BETTER, how is this not classic console wars bullshit and totally derailing a thread that should be about the actual game in question? Most of them freely admit to not having even PLAYED Death Stranding resorting to shit like "I watched a stream of it for an hour" as if that fucking shit would fly in a thread for Breath of the Wild. They're acting in bad faith and you're responding to my responses like my responses happened in a fucking vacuum and not a reaction to ridiculous fanboyism.

BTW what were the valid comparisons between Death Stranding and FUCKING LUIGI'S MANSION 3?

If you can’t handle a little dissent go to the OT where that behavior is banned. If such talk was banned in this thread there’d be no room for dissenting opinions.

Honestly, just go to your safe space in the OT.

 

[woigemok]

Yeah building a bridge must be the same as making a plane, because they both help the world traversal better. Nice logic

Both served as the QOL for the games

 

[Explosive Zombie]

If you can’t handle a little dissent go to the OT where that behavior is banned. If such talk was banned in this thread there’d be no room for dissenting opinions.

Honestly, just go to your safe space in the OT.

The problem isn't dissent, it's dissent that's in bad faith and just to serve as console war bullshit where people are comparing games that aren't actually comparable. Get a clue or find your own safe space where people don't challenge your bullshit.

 

[Bodatan]

I'm legitimately done... like WTF, how is this even real? Breath of the Wild released 2 years ago, not even the first time a ZELDA GAME had these elements.

I think you just salty about Botw being better than DS in both commercially and critically at this point

 

[kevin_trinh]

Both served as the QOL for the games

yeah yeah, combat in BOTW and combat in DS both served as killing enemies in the game so they must be the same too.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

The problem isn't dissent, it's dissent that's in bad faith and just to serve as console war bullshit where people are comparing games that aren't actually comparable. Get a clue or find your own safe space where people don't challenge your bullshit.

You’re the one that’s raging here. I’m not even participating in this argument. So...?

 

[ethomaz]

You’re the one that’s raging here. I’m not even participating in this argument. So...?

So why are you making defense control for trolls?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I think you just salty about Botw being better than DS in both commercially and critically at this point

If I came in the thread apropos of nothing to say "man this game is so much better than... BREATH OF THE WILD" then yeah, you might have a point. But everything I've said has been reacting to other people bringing such Nintendo exclusives into it themselves. I'm salty about trolls, what are the trolls salty about though? Can't take too much digging to find that answer.

You’re the one that’s raging here. I’m not even participating in this argument. So...?

In what way are you not currently participating in the argument?

 

[woigemok]

yeah yeah, combat in BOTW and combat in DS both served as killing enemies in the game so they must be the same too.

That's the basic and fundamental aspect of the game design, just because both were represented by different graphical presentation it doesn't mean it different. From the game design perspective both were created in order to help the player be more effective in engaging the game's world.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

That's the basic and fundamental aspect of the game design, just because both were represented by different graphical presentation it doesn't mean it different. From the game design perspective both were created in order to help the player be more effective in engaging the game's world.

There's more than a graphical difference involved in BUILDING SOMETHING IN A GAME vs hitting a damn button to turn into a vehicle, there's a gameplay difference as well. The goal of traversal being the same does not make them EQUIVALENT. That's like saying because in both Breath of the Wild and Call of Duty my goal is to kill enemies they're the same. Like WTF are you on. dude?

 

[Bodatan]

Some console fans are easily trigger just only a few comparison pic

 

[woigemok]

There's more than a graphical difference involved in BUILDING SOMETHING IN A GAME vs hitting a damn button to turn into a vehicle, there's a gameplay difference as well. The goal of traversal being the same does not make them EQUIVALENT. That's like saying because in both Breath of the Wild and Call of Duty my goal is to kill enemies they're the same. Like WTF are you on. dude?

You needed to pass a license test in Xeno X and gear up your Skell to get the flight module which is translating the same as the process required in DS, like I said just because you saw a difference in visual presentation it doesn't mean it different. Both were there to facilitate the user in order to improve the experience of the game playing field and be more effective when tackling certain aspects of game design.

 

[kevin_trinh]

That's the basic and fundamental aspect of the game design, just because both were represented by different graphical presentation it doesn't mean it different. From the game design perspective both were created in order to help the player be more effective in engaging the game's world.

yeah yeah, so every game will be the same. Fighting with 3rd person view in BOTW will be the same as 1st person view like Halo coz " both were created in order to help the player be more effective in engaging the game's world". I totally see your point

 

[Explosive Zombie]

You needed to pass a license test in Xeno X and gear up your Skell to get the flight module which is translating the same as the process required in DS, like I said just because you saw a difference in visual presentation it doesn't mean it different. Both were there to facilitate the user in order to improve the experience of the game playing field and be more effective when tackling certain aspects of game design.

It's not just a visual difference, you are literally performing different actions in the game. How is this not easy to comprehend.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

So why are you making defense control for trolls?

Put them on ignore? That’s generally what you do with “trolls.”

I think that people try to understand what they don’t know in terms of what they do know. So it’s hard to tell who or what is genuine is a troll or not.

If you’re in here shilling for DS and you continually talk past another person, then I think you’re both arguing in “bad faith.”

It SEEMS you two are just making a different kind of argument as “Kojima Is a genius. He’s done it again.” How about you think real hard to explain such a complicated game? You failing to do so is just hurting the image of this game in its own thread rather than helping.

 

[woigemok]

It's not just a visual difference, you are literally performing different actions in the game. How is this not easy to comprehend.

Action as point A to point B which is completely the same

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Put them on ignore? That’s generally what you do with “trolls.”

I think that people try to understand what they don’t know in terms of what they do know. So it’s hard to tell who or what is genuine is a troll or not.

If you’re in here shilling for DS and you continually talk past another person, then I think you’re both arguing in “bad faith.”

It SEEMS you two are just making a different kind of argument as “Kojima Is a genius. He’s done it again.” How about you think real hard to explain such a complicated game? You failing to do so is just hurting the image of this game in its own thread rather than helping.

Is there a cogent argument buried somewhere in here? Hard to say!

 

[Lionel Richie]

Yes, I would, I would never wonder "which game should I play, Death Stranding or Breath of the Wild? Better find out which is superior." Their similarities are shallow and surface level like telling someone Call of Duty is comparable to BioShock and that we can totally divine the superior game of the two. You don't need to post on Resetera to post in bad faith, I'm not sure if you understand what the phrase means.

I understand it dude. In fact, I understand every single one of your posts despite you constantly questioning that. Just like Death Stranding's plot, it isn't a matter of not understanding it, it's a matter of not being as clever as you think it is.

Because there are completely different games.
There is nothing similar in gameplay between them even if you say if I press forward it will go forward in DS not always will go forward.... so even basic controls of the gameplay are different.

Yes they're somewhat similar, you're not comparing a FPS to a RTS. Both are third-person adventure titles with some sort of survival mechanics. If you can't compare that, you can't compare anything ever.

As a switch owner I might know of one of the games you might talking about? All those games and your spending your time here hating on this game on day one, those 5 games must really be something eh

Read the post I replied to.

 

[ethomaz]

Put them on ignore? That’s generally what you do with “trolls.”

I think that people try to understand what they don’t know in terms of what they do know. So it’s hard to tell who or what is genuine is a troll or not.

If you’re in here shilling for DS and you continually talk past another person, then I think you’re both arguing in “bad faith.”

It SEEMS you two are just making a different kind of argument as “Kojima Is a genius. He’s done it again.” How about you think real hard to explain such a complicated game? You failing to do so is just hurting the image of this game in its own thread rather than helping.

I disagree.

I explained pretty well but the guy is just for trolling so no matter what I do he will try to find a useless comparison instead to play the game.

It is laughed to be fair.

 

[woigemok]

I don't think dragging this argument longer will be any different.

Let's get back to the topic

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I understand it dude. In fact, I understand every single one of your posts despite you constantly questioning that. Just like Death Stranding's plot, it isn't a matter of not understanding it, it's a matter of not being as clever as you think it is.



Yes they're somewhat similar, you're not comparing a FPS to a RTS. Both are third-person adventure titles with some sort of survival mechanics. If you can't compare that, you can't compare anything ever.



Read the post I replied to.

Might as well compare them both to Ark: Survival Evolved, too! Oh wait... that's exclusive to nothing and won't bait people as hard... damn... better find something else... uh... Sea of Thieves?

Also, if you understand things so well maybe come up with more interesting responses that actually address what people are arguing?

 

[ethomaz]

Yes they're somewhat similar, you're not comparing a FPS to a RTS. Both are third-person adventure titles with some sort of survival mechanics. If you can't compare that, you can't compare anything ever.

Did you play it?

 

[Lionel Richie]

Might as well compare them both to Ark: Survival Evolved, too! Oh wait... that's exclusive to nothing and won't bait people as hard... damn... better find something else... uh... Sea of Thieves?

Also, if you understand things so well maybe come up with more interesting responses that actually address what people are arguing?

I'm not sure how Sea of Thieves not being as much of a landmark title in the industry as BOTW is somehow lost on you. That's why you compare games like DS to BOTW, or why you would compare a WRPG to The Witcher 3, or a fantasy hack and slash to Dark Souls. It's because those games are relevant.

Did you play it?

Did I say something nonfactual? Is DS secretly a FPS?

 

[woigemok]

Looks like Edge really going to give the score in the next issue of their magazine

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I'm not sure how Sea of Thieves not being as much of a landmark title in the industry as BOTW is somehow lost on you. That's why you compare games like DS to BOTW, or why you would compare a WRPG to The Witcher 3, or a fantasy hack and slash to Dark Souls. It's because those games are relevant.

Is Outer Worlds being compared to Witcher 3? Is Diablo III compared to Dark Souls? Seeing the problem with vague genre descriptions as a basis for comparisons?

 

[ethomaz]

Did I say something nonfactual? Is DS secretly a FPS?

Yes just the part they are "somewhat similar".

I should say play it first before jump conclusions.
To start to understand how Death Stranding gameplay is the first step is realize it is not similar to any other game in the market.

 

[Bodatan]

I think some users here really need to accept about the fact DS game play isn't really dynamic and new. Even Kojima himself admitted it

 

[eastwood333]

Wasn't BotW a blacksmith simulator where you repair weapons every 5 minutes?

Breath of the wild actually has great combat/gameplay/varied world. All of which DS is lacking. DS would have a metacritic score in the 60s or 70s were it not for the Kojima name

 

[kevin_trinh]

Nintendrone logic: because they shared the same goal so they must be the same. Riding a bicycle and driving a car must be the same coz ”they both make to world traversal easier”.

 

[ethomaz]

Breath of the wild actually has great combat/gameplay/varied world. All of which DS is lacking. DS would have a metacritic score in the 60s or 70s were it not for the Kojima name

Actually DS is in 80s or 90s that is why the average is 83-84.
So your should is not fair.

 

[woigemok]

I think some users here really need to accept about the fact DS game play isn't really dynamic and new. Even Kojima himself admitted it

(I'm not really trying to create a new genre)

a few months earlier

 

[Otterz4Life]

Maybe Kojima had more to do with Metal Gear Survive than we thought!

Lets not compare BotW, an actual great game, to this masturbation.

 

[ethomaz]

I think some users here really need to accept about the fact DS game play isn't really dynamic and new. Even Kojima himself admitted it

Kojima said it is a brand new genre

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I think some users here really need to accept about the fact DS game play isn't really dynamic and new. Even Kojima himself admitted it

No, he even claimed he created an entirely new genre... some more quotes...


“So my approach is always the same. In terms of how I feel now people are playing Death Stranding – I believe there will be positive and negative reactions. This happens when you try to do something new, even in movies or games.

“If people are faced with something they haven’t experienced before, it can be challenging. It was the same when I first did a stealth title,” Kojima added.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Is Outer Worlds being compared to Witcher 3? Is Diablo III compared to Dark Souls? Seeing the problem with vague genre descriptions as a basis for comparisons?

Diablo 3 is a looter with a completely different camera than Dark Souls, but it's possible Outer Worlds is getting compared to The Witcher 3. The thing is, games like TW3, Dark Souls and BOTW are the standard in the industry. I don't feel like I need to explain you that.

Yes just the part they are "somewhat similar".

I should say play it first before jump conclusions.
To start to understand how Death Stranding gameplay is the first step is realize it is not similar to any other game in the market.

Unless you're comparing a couple of Ubisoft games, no game is ever going to be exactly the same as another. I'm sure DS doesn't play like BOTW, but not to the point it's radically different you can't compare them. Like comparing a FPS to a RTS.