Same here. I find the game market big enough where I don’t have enough time to play everything I want to. It’s easy to avoid games that aren’t all that appealing for one reason or another.
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Games are invaded with SJW politics
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Same here. I find the game market big enough where I don’t have enough time to play everything I want to. It’s easy to avoid games that aren’t all that appealing for one reason or another.
Handy Fake
Member
Frankly I think the term "SJW" is intellectually lazy. It's bandied about by people who think that just because they don't agree with something that it's a deliberate affront to them by "PC Do Gooders".That's a bit intellectually lazy, ain't it? At least until you know what's actually meant by the one using that word. Unless you never had any intention of discussing all along?
I understand the thought behind it but it's reached a saturation point where it's just used to shut down debate. Much like the terms "fascist" and dare I say "racist". Both terms now bandied about willynilly and diluting the true power of those words.
Plus, yer kna, it's a term brought to attention by the alt-Right so you'll forgive me if I raise an eyebrow every time I see it used.
iorek21
Member
I wouldn’t worry much about SJW bullshit in the future, something like the next 4-5 years.
I think this trend is going to fade away and be forgotten just as most of trem do.
I mean, SJW, woke games and shit have been receiving so much hate lately that I bet devs will think twice about including it in the next generation
I think this trend is going to fade away and be forgotten just as most of trem do.
I mean, SJW, woke games and shit have been receiving so much hate lately that I bet devs will think twice about including it in the next generation
nani17
are in a big trouble
Yeah I'm so sick of people pointing out this game is political what's it saying. Don't give a shit I just want to play it and possible kill something.
"Are ubisoft games polictcal they said they're not." Again don't care why is this news it definitely wouldn't be news years ago. Why were they asked that question in the first place?
"Are ubisoft games polictcal they said they're not." Again don't care why is this news it definitely wouldn't be news years ago. Why were they asked that question in the first place?
Birdo
Banned
Plus, yer kna, it's a term brought to attention by the alt-Right so you'll forgive me if I raise an eyebrow every time I see it used.
The term "Social Justice Warrior" was around WAAAAAAAAY before the Alt-Right were a thing (Like, decades)
Hell, I used to call myself one back in the 90's (Before it got taken over by nutters).
Handy Fake
Member
Really? Well consider my gast flabbered.
Must be an American thing then? I hadn't heard the term until it started permeating over the pond about 4 years ago.
I'm 40. Whether this means I really ought to have heard of it or whether I'm just not down with the kids anymore, I don't know.
EDIT:"Social justice warrior. ... The phrase originated in the late 20th century as a neutral or positive term for people engaged in social justice activism. In 2011, when the term first appeared on Twitter, it changed from a primarily positive term to an overwhelmingly negative one. "
Okay, apparently I'm just old.
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Petrae
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I don’t bother with narrative-rich games anymore because I don’t wish to be beaten about the head with sociopolitical nonsense... and that’s what most game developers are into these days. When PR firms and community managers proudly bleat on about how “diverse” their games are, or how they cater to the alphabet crowd, or whatever? It’s a red flag for me to avoid said game... because the sociopolitical stuff is far more important than the underlying game, or else it wouldn’t be worn like medals on chests.
Worse yet is when platform holders like Papa Sony butt in and force changes to games because of “objectifying women” or whatever such nonsense. Sony’s agenda has been pretty clear for some time now, and there’s not much that developers can do but to bend to Sony’s will or not make games for the most popular console (and thus lose money).
At the end of the day, this bullshit isn’t changing. Video games have become the new battleground for issues like this. In my view, it sucks— but this industry isn’t going to reverse course because a few people like me don’t care for where things have gone. At the end of the day, you’re either going to have to accept it or move away from it and play something else (if anything at all).
Worse yet is when platform holders like Papa Sony butt in and force changes to games because of “objectifying women” or whatever such nonsense. Sony’s agenda has been pretty clear for some time now, and there’s not much that developers can do but to bend to Sony’s will or not make games for the most popular console (and thus lose money).
At the end of the day, this bullshit isn’t changing. Video games have become the new battleground for issues like this. In my view, it sucks— but this industry isn’t going to reverse course because a few people like me don’t care for where things have gone. At the end of the day, you’re either going to have to accept it or move away from it and play something else (if anything at all).
FranXico
Member
That's when it was used to describe people who genuinely cared about social justice.
Nowadays it's used to describe hypocrites (because there's so many of them). And nutters (which there also are so many of) use it a lot too.
Godzilla Emu
Banned
I'm busy with The Dark Forest at the moment
If you want sjw free science fiction novels. Look at the publisher BAEN Books. They publish some great sci-fi. Free of the sjw shit. They are just publish good novels.
I'm genuinely envious, mate. That novel completely blew my mind. I wish that I could read it again for the first time.
Liu Cixin's trilogy will forever reside in my yearly "must read again" reading list.
Thanks so much for the heads-up by the way. This is exactly why I love modern-GAF.
Enjoy The Dark Forest!
Ivory Blood
Member
I agree. This trend is on the decline already. Woke stuff is failing across the board - from movies and TV to games. Even the games that were professing some wokest things in their marketing earlier this year, like VtMB 2 and Cyberpunk, have toned it down lately, instead focusing more on the usual "gamey and cool" stuff.
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Elektro Demon
Banned
They've ruined everything. Movies, music, games etc.
Kindjal
Member
I don't intend to derail the thread, but could you please tell me more about this?
What's going on in the world of written sci fi?
Also, what's The Three-Body Problem about?
I'm intrigued!
DemiFiend_
Banned
Mate it's just video games. It ain't that deep lol.
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michaelius
Banned
It's a paradox really but Chinese market might be last thing holding back Disney and their likes.
Honey Bunny
Member
If its egregious i just dont buy them. You should do the same.
Xenon
Member
Yeah the overt woke characters are going tho go the way of the edgy animal mascot.
But like it or not the demographics of gaming have changed. So there is nothing wrong with games reflecting that. As much as the social issue focused activists are responsible for the current situation, so are the overtly defensive gamers who acted threatened by games like Gone Home who inadvertently created the perfect environment for them to grow into a voice in the industry.
OOGUAY: “ONE OFTEN MEETS HIS DESTINY ON THE ROAD HE TAKES TO AVOID IT.”
So now the industry is filled with the very politics they hated. But obviously things will eventually balance back. But there is no going back completely to the way things were and that's ok.
As others have said vote with your wallet and clicks. If a game is preachy Ill just avoid it. Same goes for the gaming media and that already seems to be correcting itself.
Meanwhile, the three blonde 20 somethings in the jacuzzi, practically jump out of their bikinis each time a real man walks by.
Sorry, ladies... taken like a Liam Neeson vehicle.
Soy Boys must literally be Chinese Takeout, sexually.
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pennythoughts
Member
Post of the thread right here. No one knows what the fuck it means but it's saying something goddamnit.
Smaller than Atom
Member
You guys realize that this is a war tactic brought about by other nations right. We'll tear each other apart for nothing. Countries like China and Russia no this. Have you ever asked yourself who is posting all these things on the net? Remember the vid of the terns harassing the native america? Disgraceful but posted from overseas. It's funny how kojima is crying brexiteers and trump yet he's from japan. Lol. Racism rampant, women in the kitchen etc. Go there. See for yourself. I just spent 11 years living abroad. Only here fo we allow and do this. Its because we've become too undereducated. We're caught up in bait n switch ideas while the world gains stronger education, culture, and religion. We will never be able to compete with this. But what do I know. I cant say this anywhere here. It would make me a criminal. Do you see now? A true criminal for having an opinion and concern.
Enjoy
Katsura
Member
Some of us can code but we're also smart enough to not make games. That's low tier work. Also, your point is fallacious but that's par for the course
Hugare
Member
Exactly this
Kingdom Come: Deliverance received a lot of shit because of the alt right director, but the game was not preachy at all. Could be enjoyed by ALL audiences. And thats how should be done.
Your post made me cringe, OP.
What a goddamn snowflake you are
You expect Last of Us 2 to be preachy and on the nose? They are giving Ellie an emotional reason with Dina's loss to go on her journey or something. They are means to and end.
Was Lost Legacy some SJW shit just because you control Chloe? Life is Strange SJW just because you can make out with the girl at the end?
What a sad life you must have by having such a narrow view of the world
Portugeezer
Member
I agree, I myself find it tiring as people just end up going in circles and nothing gets accomplished (for the most part) in these online "discussions".
That said, whether you decide to buy a game or not depends on how much it annoys you. I can dislike the lesbian similation virtue signalling that ND blatantly decided to go for when revealing the game (ultimately this is inoffensive, but so blatant it detracts from the reveal), but I can still decide to buy the game if it ends up looking like it's a good game.
I can enjoy a game irrespective of the political or social leanings of its creators (to an extent, of course).
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HermitSperg691
Banned
Politics don't belong in any form of art or media except those that are specifically for the purpose of politics and yet its infested everything.
Shinobitron
Member
Sjw's aren't a wide audience. it's mob mentality in a culture war.
Sterling88
Member
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. Art can reflect a person's beliefs, even if those beliefs are fucking stupid. Politics in art and media have been a thing for as long as art and media have been around. Those politics have just gotten worse over time.
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Ah yes the old mentality similar to the whole "get good" thing where you can easily just toss out a short sighted and closed ended statement and then lean back in your chair with a cheap sense of smug self satisfaction because you "really told them".
But it isn't that simple or easy. Some people have lives to live, nor the skill set or capacity to just drop everything and learn to make video games on their own. It's as dumb as a homeless man saying he lost his job scraping guts up at the slaughter house and the bank took his home and now he lives under a bridge and someone walking up to him and saying "pffff go learn to be an surgeon and stop complaining" and then just walking off as if you imparted some wisdom into them.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
If you don't like the politics expressed by some game developers, support those who don't. The power is in your wallet.
Bkdk
Member
It’s weird too because their SJW strategy is hurting their profit, the market clearly hate these SJW plot and character design in games yet they keep going for it. No wonder total number of AAA releases are slowly declining over the years, who would want to play games with such ugly and unlikable characters. The recent success of a small rpg atelier ryza is just another sign of gamers extremely fed up with ugly female char designs.
Another obvious example is league vs dota, league has far more cute girl champions and girls love cosplaying them all the time, also their female casts except One look far more attractive compare to dota, it’s just give new gamers such a better first impression thus Far more popular.
Another obvious example is league vs dota, league has far more cute girl champions and girls love cosplaying them all the time, also their female casts except One look far more attractive compare to dota, it’s just give new gamers such a better first impression thus Far more popular.
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nowhat
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Cyberpunk creator Mike Pondsmith says 'everything is political,' including his game
"A big part of what Cyberpunk talks about is the disparities of power and how technology readdresses that."
Whitesnake
Banned
Damn, you really do get genuinely upset when someone shits on SHWs, don’t you?
OutrageousFacts
Banned
Op, I don't agree with your premise, because this
makes you look a really conservative, anti-feminist (and I'm using 'feminism' in its original meaning here, not in its new 'all men should die' meaning) idiot.
I've got nothing against 'sjw topics' in video games. On the contrary, those things are part of the real world, too, so they often could enhance an experience, especially in immersive, realistic games.
HOWEVER, I hate the incompetent, wood hammer way in which it's almost always done. See ME Andromeda and its 'hey, btw I'm trans. Here's my story' npc. Or Dragon Age Inquisition's Bull and his 'let's talk about how my friend here is trans for the 5th time' dialogues. And yes, making a lesbian kiss the focal point in the TLoU2 trailer was dumb, too. And then there's this general rule of 'all female characters MUST be badass!'. It sucks.
Cyberpunk dared doing a more nuanced inclusion of transgender topics, but was immediately attacked for it. And can you imagine a medieval game where homosexuals are burned for their sexuality as DID happen irl? Impossible, the outrage crowd would harass developers into oblivion.
I want ALL aspects of life be represented in games (and movies, anime, books, etc). Unfortunately, people from all sides always try to shun some contents they don't like. And it only makes creative freedom smaller.
makes you look a really conservative, anti-feminist (and I'm using 'feminism' in its original meaning here, not in its new 'all men should die' meaning) idiot.
I've got nothing against 'sjw topics' in video games. On the contrary, those things are part of the real world, too, so they often could enhance an experience, especially in immersive, realistic games.
HOWEVER, I hate the incompetent, wood hammer way in which it's almost always done. See ME Andromeda and its 'hey, btw I'm trans. Here's my story' npc. Or Dragon Age Inquisition's Bull and his 'let's talk about how my friend here is trans for the 5th time' dialogues. And yes, making a lesbian kiss the focal point in the TLoU2 trailer was dumb, too. And then there's this general rule of 'all female characters MUST be badass!'. It sucks.
Cyberpunk dared doing a more nuanced inclusion of transgender topics, but was immediately attacked for it. And can you imagine a medieval game where homosexuals are burned for their sexuality as DID happen irl? Impossible, the outrage crowd would harass developers into oblivion.
I want ALL aspects of life be represented in games (and movies, anime, books, etc). Unfortunately, people from all sides always try to shun some contents they don't like. And it only makes creative freedom smaller.
Shangounchained
Banned
I don't think they care about my wallet I think they are funded by the government
nowhat
Member
Seriously, you're really going off the deep end here.
Shangounchained
Banned
Nope they aren't making art, art doesn't confirm to any wide audience it's simply art and you can take 80% of gamers and they'll tell u that what theyr making is shit
Shangounchained
Banned
Someone big is funding this people it's not a coincidence that movies series media schools everything's infested this isn't easy!
Shangounchained
Banned
No
Nope games aren't fine they are fucked I wasn't born yesterday mate
nowhat
Member
Well, which government does the funding? The current US administration for example isn't exactly "SJW" friendly. So who/what is behind the funding? The Clinton Foundation? The Illuminati? Lizard people? Do tell!
zenspider
Member
This is the kind of thread that makes me nervous to be anti-SJW, because honestly, it’s not the problems they’re identifying that are the issue, but their solutions and methodology (and religiosity).
I agree that there’s issue on the attacking of OP’s “when men were men” ideals, but the real problem is with it being the default. It shouldn’t be anymore - not because of some rainbow and love reasons, but simple economics, demographics, and broad cultural assimilation.
The SJW agenda of ripping it out root and stem is problematic as well. There is so much bandwidth that there should be something for everyone, but again, OP and SJWs are playing for the zero sum default, not their space.
The real problem is that we still have a default: despite moving away from a broadcast model, we are still wired for it - we have the technology for a flatter, more equitable opt-in “multi-cast”, but the media conglomerates and institutions are still broadcasting and we’re buying it.
Fact is, if OP can’t find games where horses run fast and women are pretty, they’re not looking. OP is fixated on the mainstream neo-broadcast, which SJWs have rightly found many problems with - unfortunately, as with every pseudo-revolution, they’re now just taking it over for themselves for their own ends and only changing who is driven around in the black cars.
I agree that there’s issue on the attacking of OP’s “when men were men” ideals, but the real problem is with it being the default. It shouldn’t be anymore - not because of some rainbow and love reasons, but simple economics, demographics, and broad cultural assimilation.
The SJW agenda of ripping it out root and stem is problematic as well. There is so much bandwidth that there should be something for everyone, but again, OP and SJWs are playing for the zero sum default, not their space.
The real problem is that we still have a default: despite moving away from a broadcast model, we are still wired for it - we have the technology for a flatter, more equitable opt-in “multi-cast”, but the media conglomerates and institutions are still broadcasting and we’re buying it.
Fact is, if OP can’t find games where horses run fast and women are pretty, they’re not looking. OP is fixated on the mainstream neo-broadcast, which SJWs have rightly found many problems with - unfortunately, as with every pseudo-revolution, they’re now just taking it over for themselves for their own ends and only changing who is driven around in the black cars.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Didn't know Anita Sarkeesian had coding skills?
zenspider
Member
It’s not nefarious - corporations are “funding” it. It’s the most corporate friendly political movement in human history. Like, it sold the radical left on Nikes - if this came from a marketing think tank as opposed to academia, I wouldn’t be surprised.
iorek21
Member
Yeah, I agree, representativity will continue onwards, and it's no big deal if handled properly (Outer Worlds is quite nice in that regard, it has social commentary but it isn't preachy about it).
Giving players options is okay: Wanna be straight? Fine. Want to be trans? Ok. Just give it actual purpose instead of just doing it just to be "woke" enough.
At the end of the day, wallets will decide whether this is accepted or not.
Coincidentally, the most praised games this year little to no SJW stuff....
Funny, huh
johncaveman12
Member
Everyones being a big ol bitch in this thread
Shangounchained
Banned
Go and YouTube Norway and how they handle their budget! You'll get a bit of what I'm saying!
Zog
Banned
Remember when Gamergate started and they said 'Calm down, no one is trying to take away your games!'? Yeah, they lied and some of us knew what they wanted to do all along.
First they tell you that a little representation of their side won't hurt anyone. Then when they get a little representation they call you a hater if you don't fall in line with championing it and then when you don't have any representation left they say that even a little of your representation is hateful and not wanted.
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nowhat
Member
Using YouTube (and even "search something in YouTube instead of a direct link) as a reference - yup, your argument is solid.
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Shangounchained
Banned
I read manga it helps
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