Geki-D
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Hate against foreigners, LGBT people, the feeling that the (((global elite))) are pushing an agenda to demonise and replace white people... That kind of massive...
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Games are invaded with SJW politics
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llien
Member
Occasionally, you can come across racist post on this forum.
"Anti-LGBT" is close to non-existent, just do not mistake people not accepting dubious gender theories with hating people.
The only case of "global elite" talk that I recall is "evil capitalists" (can't take that seriously so never engage in discussions about it, anyhow, people looked to be pretty far on the left)
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
You might as well be saying, "If you're not with us, you're against us". Just because we choose not to obsess over every gaming controversy on Twitter, Kotaku and ResetEra doesn't make us morons.
Jooxed
Gold Member
to be fair these costumes look so much better and more unique lol
nkarafo
Member
You say you not care about the matter but here you are posting and complaining about both sides complaining.
Why not just sit down and relax after work and play some video games, like you claim you do? And let us who actually care about the industry to fight and complain with each other.
Nobody accused you about anything. We don't care if you don't care about these things. That's good on you. It's the holier than thou types who are "above all" and come here to complain about "people complaining in both sides".
If you don't want to pick a side, great on you. Just don't come here telling me how i'm the same as those crazy SJW, anti-free speech, pro-censor racists.
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Katsura
Member
Not at all. You can be annoyed at both sides, that's completely fair. However, when you claim both sides are equally bad you're ignoring that one side is trying to control gaming and one is fighting against that. They are not equally bad
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
You mean normal people? People who aren't American or involved with the so called "Culture wars"? So i need to be a communist LGBTQETC Ally far American left nut, or a great replacement believing, DEUS VULT! shouting puritan nut!
The US establishment, media and corporations have done a big damage on the way Americans view the world, normal people change their minds all the time, and usually hold some opinions on the right and some on the left, and
I love playing game but i also love discussing them, the problem is most discussions aren't about why a certin mechanic or story moment is not very good it's become a pissing contest to prove which side is more angry than the other.
You don't want politics in your games yet you can stop talking about them.
petran79
Banned
In next GOW players gets to choose Ganymede instead
Katsura
Member
You putting words in my mouth doesn't exactly help portray you as indifferent. I never said anything like that. Do you understand the concept of being intellectually dishonest? If you're not a moron and you're not a regressive then you're clearly being intellectually dishonest if you insist both sides are equally bad. One side is the attacker, the other is the defender. Claiming they're both equally at fault is objectively wrong
nkarafo
Member
There are plenty of discussions about why a certain mechanic or story moment is not very good. There are also pissing contest discussions as well. You have the right to not participate to the topics that are not interesting to you.
And yes, i don't want games being censored, free speech getting banned, developers being fired for stupid reasons, gamers being doxxed and "canceled" for equally stupid reasons, etc. So when i see those things i like to oppose them because i care about the industry as a whole. If you don't, that's good on you but you aren't doing anything useful coming here to tell me i shouldn't care too.
Strider Highwind
Banned
Who gives a shit
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
I think both sides are equally stubborn, much like two console warrior fanboys going at each other except in that case we're still talking about the games and hardware, not some bitch on Twitter or ResetEra (of which we have dedicated threads for both of those topics). What has been said in the OP of this thread that hasn't been stated many times before by other people?
"Did you guys know 007 is a black woman in the new movie?" Yes, in fact, I do. I knew about it when it was first announced and I poked fun at the producer detailing it in an interview. But that was months ago. It hasn't ruined watching movies for me though because there are a lot of movies for me to still watch, just like there are a lot of games for me to still play. I will continue to criticize some poor decisions by game developers like the rest of you but I'm not at the point where it's like #MakeGamesGreatAgain.
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Rean no Kiseki
Banned
You can Keep calling me that but i don't care, when this whole GG/anti-sjw thing started, i was pro GG in the beginning, i HATED Anita and her ilk (now she and big red and Macintosh are all forgotten), i went down the rabbit hole and watched endless anti sjw videos, from Sergon of Applebee's to every angry "game" channel you can think of, but it’s been over 5 years and lot have change both in video games and my life and it all seem so childish now.
Simply put the SJW left are just the new 80's/90's religious right, give it time and it'll pass.
I agree with this but i also think this whole SNOY censored muh Senrans! is an overreaction.
As for general censorship i don't think it's as big of a problem as it was in 80's/90's.
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Katsura
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And that's completely fair. In fact, not giving a shit is completely fair too. I was simply pointing out how both sides are not equally bad. I wasn't making a judgement on people who don't give a shit and just want to play games
someone wise said this, was it jordan peterson? It is totally true.
Katsura
Member
Agree completely with the bolded part and i'm not passing judgement on you for not giving a shit. Who am i to control what you want to do? I'm simply opposing the idea that both sides are equally bad. Even if you think both sides are bad, one is worse than the other. That's all i was saying
Tiamat2san
Member
Every media is infected.
Games, movies, musics, tv shows..
Medias are paying too much attention to social medias.
Games, movies, musics, tv shows..
Medias are paying too much attention to social medias.
nkarafo
Member
It's a bigger problem now. In the 80's 90's it was just a bunch of religious old men and soccer-moms who pushed for censorship. But at least the gaming community was united. Now this thing has infiltrated the industry and gaming community, you have developers, journalists and even gamers who try the same thing, from the inside. Religious old men and soccer moms don't even have to try anymore. Add the fact that it's easier to push your agendas and brainwash now with the internet and social media.
It's a lot worse now.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
You do realise that 007 is an agent number and James Bond retires at the end of the last movie. What is the problem with having a black female play 007 till he gets the role back?
PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
If anyone shows bias against them, I think their actions have proven why. Don't feel wrong for a second.
PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
Race baiter.
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Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
I was expecting Idris Elba. Something wrong with that?
Jon Neu
Banned
Plus, yer kna, it's a term brought to attention by the alt-Right so you'll forgive me if I raise an eyebrow every time I see it used.
Intellectual laziness you say?
It's always amusing to see how every time someone brings the SJW politics of any field, it's always the exact same type of people the ones doing the damage control, the ones saying "I don't see anything therefore you are inventing things".
It really makes you think.
nkarafo
Member
The issue is that nobody ever really cared about the "007" thing. The series was about James Bond himself. Not the banner on his office door.
You can't have a black woman being James Bond himself though.
The fact that they had to get rid of the main character in order to shoehorn a different race and sex is the issue. It's the fact that the different skin color and sex of the actor is more important than the main character who is the main ingredient of the series since forever. It's the fact that they are changing the story/character based on the sex/skin color of the actor instead of choosing an actor based on the story/character.
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PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
It's a set up for them to virtue signal.
Jon Neu
Banned
They are sick of both sides, therefore they are above both sides.
But they are on every thread doing damage control for one side and critizicing the other. And more than once, when a criticism of a very particular thing is made -like for example, the female ghostbusters- they retort to the typical "commentaries" such as: if you are upset about a -insert minority here- protagonist, maybe you are a -insert SJW ad hominem here-. They will insist that everything is in the imagination of the alt-right, and if they are presented with unmistakable proof, they are just going to shrug their shoulders and say that we are just over exaggerating.
But remember, they are above both sides, they are not part of any side.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Meanwhile, you can bet that on something like Reee or Reddit, they’d be going full blast.
Here, they gotta play it a little more subtle.
I have no doubt that there’s some small brains out there that legitimately believe ‘both sides!’, though, for whatever reason. Maybe their favorite game got criticized, they want to project an appearance of being above it all, or just want to interject in a situation that it’s blatantly obvious they know nothing about.
Here, they gotta play it a little more subtle.
I have no doubt that there’s some small brains out there that legitimately believe ‘both sides!’, though, for whatever reason. Maybe their favorite game got criticized, they want to project an appearance of being above it all, or just want to interject in a situation that it’s blatantly obvious they know nothing about.
GreenAlien
Member
A lot of the time, there is actually more SJW in the marketing than in the games themselves. This is extremely annoying. I'm not going to play your shitty game just because there is a feminist lesbian minority woman in it, even if she is hot. Is this supposed to be some form of emotional blackmail? Buy it or you are evil?
How about you try to show that it is a good game first? Could you not make it all about politics please?
How about you try to show that it is a good game first? Could you not make it all about politics please?
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PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
You mean the era when they TRIED. The normies are catching on and Lewis launched a nuke at the Esports awards.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
The people who make threads like these only play a tiny portion of games that release, or have a thinly veiled agenda behind the post (such as the recent "games suck nowadays" which was just a console warrior crying about Sony). In the past month alone I have played Star Wars, Pokemon, Death Stranding, River City Girls, Celeste (physical release), Call of Duty Modern Warfare, Code Vein, and Outer Worlds. Only *one* of those games had social justice influence and that was with Outer Worlds' piss poor writing/dialog (and yes, I still stand by that the models themselves were not some SJW push, but just laziness by devs/lack of talent by the artists as *everyone was fucking hideous in that game*).
Winter John
Gold Member
Suits me. I like lesbian sex scenes. The more the better
Rhazer Fusion
Member
We still have great games, solid variety and talent, but I feel that the over abundance of politics and agendas interfere with freedom of expression and separating reality from fantasy. I play video games for fun and escapism. You can put politics in games, but we don’t need them shoehorned in so many games now.
I hate that companies will go out of their way not to offend or to try to appeal to a diminutive audience who typically won’t even buy their game in the first place. Seems like these companies now care more about checking the proverbial political checklist over making an enjoyable video game experience.
Honestly though, I think movies has been penetrated with politics even more than gaming which is saying something.
I hate that companies will go out of their way not to offend or to try to appeal to a diminutive audience who typically won’t even buy their game in the first place. Seems like these companies now care more about checking the proverbial political checklist over making an enjoyable video game experience.
Honestly though, I think movies has been penetrated with politics even more than gaming which is saying something.
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Sterling88
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I just don't want to give lgbt politics the time of day, personally. It's so much easier to just ignore their existence altogether and play games that are much better. There's no point me getting angry at some shitty sjw game I'm not going to play anyway.
So if I understand you correctly, heterosexual white males are the target demographic for most games and because of that, characters in said games outta be white? Or games should display attractive white women because of it? I guess I'm having an issue grasping the "whom do they want to see" part.
So the folks that aren't being catered to should just suck it up, strangely enough what you seem unwilling to do. In the interest of making more money, companies will do whatever they can to appeal to the most broad swath of consumers, it probably feels bad to not be catered to specifically anymore.
I always hear this argument as if you have an issue with pandering, but you really seem to have an issue with not being pandered to.
In regards to Kingdom Come, people say stupid things. That's all you have to understand in that entire situation - drawing broad strokes about diversity and it's impact on gaming based on that is just as absurd as them getting upset in the first place.
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Handy Fake
Member
Not really. I just object to the term, specifically when used to just belittle something someone doesn't like.
I think it's a cop out. By all means frame your issues and discuss, but SJW is just the new "political correctness gone mad". Although I see that "woke" is now replacing SJW...
I will point out that you've missed the point entirely in what I was saying. I didn't pass comment at all, was merely an observation as to the woke usage of SJW. It's PC gone mad. Etc etc.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Social commentary is great to have in games and it's an age old practice in story telling that's not going anywhere.
Individual sensitivities and ideological predisposition should be challenged in the medium as with others. Not in all circumstances or to the same degree ofc. Regardless, some will always see things they don't like. Reviewers and social media will always take issue one way or the other with one thing or another because some people always bitch and moan and seek an outlet and commiseration about things they disagree with getting any recognition. Be it toxic masculinity to one or sjw-ism to another, all any side sees are bitches eating crackers and can't stfu about it.
These people are the ones trying to mobilize others to help limit expression in games. Limit to their particular worldview. Unfortunately, busy bodies aren't going anywhere. Literally they don't have to leave their couch. So, on an individual level it's ignore or participate and evaluate case by case based on the argument but for a developer it seems wise to not overvalue or ignore. Market democracy.
Individual sensitivities and ideological predisposition should be challenged in the medium as with others. Not in all circumstances or to the same degree ofc. Regardless, some will always see things they don't like. Reviewers and social media will always take issue one way or the other with one thing or another because some people always bitch and moan and seek an outlet and commiseration about things they disagree with getting any recognition. Be it toxic masculinity to one or sjw-ism to another, all any side sees are bitches eating crackers and can't stfu about it.
These people are the ones trying to mobilize others to help limit expression in games. Limit to their particular worldview. Unfortunately, busy bodies aren't going anywhere. Literally they don't have to leave their couch. So, on an individual level it's ignore or participate and evaluate case by case based on the argument but for a developer it seems wise to not overvalue or ignore. Market democracy.
Shangounchained
Banned
Anybody can tell politics from art, as a black man I can see how they are faking diversity by forcing black roles just for the sake of it, for instance alot of black people celebrated when black panther came out and they all lined up for the cinema, most of those people don't even know about black panther or care about the story! I know people who went to watch it just because it had a big black cast, somehow it made them feel empowered which isn't a bad thing but it's sacrificing art for the sake of making a certain people feel good,
Same way Obama became president alot of black voters voted for Obama not because he had a good pitch to run a country it's because he's black, they just wanted to feel empowered and a sense of approval in the society, again it's sacrificing Ur countries leadership for skin colour and approval,
This trend keeps going on everywhere and it's damaging because art doesnt have to conform to anything it doesn't have to be loved and liked by anybody or anything art isn't about approval it's simply a work of art and it shouldn't be tainted by shit if art becomes tainted then we're fucked next they'll control our brains cause they'll have all our freedoms of expression,
Im black and ever since growing up I know 007 is a British white male and never had a problem with that and never asked to be James bond but somehow the powers at be in the industry think that making James bond as Idris alba or a black woman is empowerment to us no it's not, it's smoke and mirrors we don't need such appreciation if they can't make honest art about and including black people or any group then don't because it now feels embarrassing as if black people need help and saving! This goes to women aswell if they can't represent you honestly then go open your own company or make your own video game cause nobody would do it for you.
Man,
You don't need to tell some harrowing tale to justify having a minority in your fiction. There are tons of white characters involved in stories in which their race is of no significance, minorities can function the same way.
Black Panther was a movie with a ton of hype and a predominantly black cast, people can derive pride or happiness from that and it's ok even if you don't - it's not as if it's something that happens on a regular basis. Many movies are designed to make people feel good, do you look down on those moviegoers also?
Do you know that race plays a significant role in how people choose who to vote for? Are you chiding Americans as a whole or just black Obama voters?
I'm black and I've known since growing up that James Bond is a British Intelligence agent. His skin color doesn't matter, Idris Elba would be a great JB and I'd like to see him in the role for that reason - not because I'm some diversity lunatic.
sol_bad
Member
As long as they look like women.
lefty1117
Gold Member
I actually have to commend video game designers for their attempts at diversity in their games, since the vast majority of the industry is still male and white. I'm not making that up, those statistics are readily available. You're talking 70%+ white male heterosexuals in the game development industry. But interestingly the audience is much more diverse especially among the youth. So game developers are making an attempt to appeal to diversity in their products, but the industry itself still has a representation problem. I'm reminded of the team ownership situation in most American major sports - mostly white ownership & management, more diverse (often more black) players.
So perhaps rather than some insidious social commentary, devs are simply responding to the demographics of their audience. Seems like an unnecessary fear response from the OP, but this sort of thing is quite common nowadays as white control over western society diminishes, and well frankly a lot of my white brothers and sisters are freaking out about it. It wasn't going to last forever, fellas. Time to come to grips with the changes.
So perhaps rather than some insidious social commentary, devs are simply responding to the demographics of their audience. Seems like an unnecessary fear response from the OP, but this sort of thing is quite common nowadays as white control over western society diminishes, and well frankly a lot of my white brothers and sisters are freaking out about it. It wasn't going to last forever, fellas. Time to come to grips with the changes.
Shangounchained
Banned
Tj
They are playing you and playing everybody, if u can't see that then I can't help u
Shangounchained
Banned
I don't have a problem if the industry is full of 70 percent dogs or cats or Jews and Nazis as long as it isn't like that for political agenda reasons and aswell as it's all creatively a work of art, if somebody decides to creatively design a game with a white male lead that's his story I can't stick a finger in his ass and force him to put monkeys in there what I hate is pretend art! Shoving diversity to prove a point this always fails and fucks up, just tell it like it is that's what stories are made of.
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lefty1117
Gold Member
"tell it like it is" ?? Are all stories white then? I'm not exactly sure what your point is. If you're talking about retconning traditionally white characters into other races, I can see where maybe there is a point, though to be honest all kinds of things change in the retelling of stories (do you believe Jesus was white?). This kind of reminds me of the "illegal immigrant" argument. What if we made what is currently illegal immigration legal, or changed the laws so that the policies were more open. Illegal immigration would be reduced, though the overall number of immigrants would increase. Would that be ok? I suspect for many the answer would be no, because it's not ACTUALLY about illegal immigration. Same thing here - the complaint is about forced SJW agenda in videogames, but the anger is rooted in something more grim which maybe we don't want to go into here.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
You have to really try to purposefully misunderstand what they said like this. Just... wow.
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