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[Adam_802]

OK so the announcement of Half Life Alyx has finally convinced me to get a gaming PC. Im a console only gamer who first experienced the Half Life games on the Orange Box on the Xbox 360 and completely fell in love. Despite playing on console, i'm probably more familiar with the Half Life story/lore than most PC gamers. I was always hoping that the next HL game (whenever it finally came out) would also be on console, but that is obviously not going to happen now. Not only that, but its apparent that it will also be a VR-only game. So i've finally decided to take the plunge and get into PC gaming. This is what finally pushed me over the edge. So.......

I need to get a gaming PC and a VR headset. I have a good amount of money saved up already thankfully. I want to get the Valve Index headset, I know it's the most expensive but it's a future investment and I want the best experience. I just need advice on the PC.

The steam store page for the Index says the recommended PC specs are a Quad core+ Processor with an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 or better and a USB 3.0+ port. Now I dont know too much about building a PC, so are there any good pre-built PCs out there that match those recommended specs? I know some pre-built PCs out there from certain stores can be crap (or not as advertised), so I'd like some advice. How much would a PC with those specs set me back? I have a budget of about $1000-$1500 for the PC alone, though i'd obviously like to spend as little as possible, plus I need to purchase the Index separately as well. It's of course all a big future investment. And then there's the monitor. I'd like a decently sized 144Hz monitor.

Best Buy would be the best source, since i'm currently applying for a job there and would get an employee discount if I get the job. And if not, I already have a friend who works there, so I can use his discount.

So basically, I would like advice on a good pre-built VR-ready gaming PC with the Index recommended specs for about $1000-$1500 as well as a good decently sized 144Hz monitor. Sorry if I sound stupid or misinformed on any of this, like I said i'm a console only gamer currently so I dont know too much about all of this yet but I want to learn. Any other advice/tips for setting it all up would be appreciated as well.

Also sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[johntown]

With your budget you need to build your own PC, pre-built are way more expensive and ones that are cheaper are cheaper for a reason and I say avoid those. If you don't feel comfortable doing that you can buy all the parts and unless you live in the middle of nowhere there should be a place you can take it to assemble it (like Microcenter etc)

EDIT: https://pcpartpicker.com/

 

[KyoZz]

Welcome to the world of PC gaming, I can't recommend you where to buy a good pre-built PC because I'm not living in the US, but PC is the best platform to game. You have so much to discover!

 

[SantaC]

Ryzen 3700
16gb ddr4 @ 3200mhz
1080ti gtx

 

[diffusionx]

The GPU most comparable to the 1070 these days is the 2060 Super. For a CPU, any modern Intel or AMD would be sufficient. I honestly don't know what is out there in terms of prebuilt gaming PCs, but I would advise to spend a lot of time looking at Black Friday as you may be able to find something good.

 

[Holammer]

As others suggested, do build your own computer if you can. You get much more oomph for the money.
If you have a friend, acquaintance or neighbors kid that can build one, exploit him mercilessly to help you. Some online stores will build your computer for you for a fee.

 

[fast_taker]

You definitely need to build a custom pc. Go for a 2060 super or better yet a 2070 super instead of the 1070 (if you can afford them). Choose an i7 7700 or 8700 cpu, 16GBs or Ram (@3200Mhz) and a SSD drive for the operating system and your games. Make sure you get a power supply that can accomodate your power needs. There are online power supply wattage calculators to help you find what type of power supply you need.
Getting a monitor is a bit tricky. You can go for a relatively cheap 144hz 24'' or 27"" monitor but you should definitely consider Gsync compatibility which is a game changer and... expensive.
What is the preferred resolution you want to game on? 1080p or 4K?

I suggest building a couple pc setups ideal for 1080p, 4K and making slight adjistments on the parts.
Good luck.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Congrats!

Yea, you need to build it. I have a VR setup myself. Whatever you decide, get the highest end GPU you can get. It's going to be needed for VR as games become more complex.

 

[Vawn]

I'm not personally a Half Life fan, but if it gets more people interested in VR, I'm rooting for it.

VR as it is is amazing. But we need more awesome made for VR games, which will bring in more players, which will bring in more games. The next generation is looking even more promising for VR.

 

[Shifty1897]

First reply had it right. Do not buy prebuilt, if you are just completely opposed to building it yourself it's still way cheaper to buy all the parts from PC Part Picker and then pay a PC Tech $100 to build it for you.

 

[One Eyed Willy]

Avoid prebuilt, its a giant waste of money and the margin on those products is so high its disgusting.

 

[Kenpachii]

Ryzen 3700
16gb ddr4 @ 3200mhz
1080ti gtx

 

[pennythoughts]

it's not that hard to build it yourself and the markup on high-end prebuilt pcs is usually well past $500. provided you arent trying to push things in together with a hammer or build up some kind of electric charge and zap your own motherboard you shouldnt have too many issues.

my first build I was watching a newegg tutorial off my crappy phone's tiny tiny screen and despite all the anxiety I suffered throughout I still built the pc within a few hours. Now it only takes about 1.

pcpartpicker has great builds you can pick and choose from, something like

Excellent Intel Gaming/Streaming Build

pcpartpicker.com

is right up your alley, VR capable and you shouldn't have to fiddle with any settings for at least 2 years, just set everything to max if the game doesnt do itself.

you'll still need to get a windows 10 key and all your peripherals. you can go super cheap on things like mouse and keyboard and upgrade those later on.

 

[A.Romero]

As many have said, building your own is the best approach.

While budgeting don't forget you Windows 10 license.

Spec wise, I'd recommend:

Ryzen 3600 or up (Or the Intel equivalent but you would spend more and have little benefit). CPU is important when using VR because it directly impacts the framerate. VR headsets operate at a high refresh rate (75 Mhz and up) so you want your framerate to match that for a better experience (meaning less motion sickness and a more immersive experience).

RAM should be 3200 Mhz or up, specially if you are going for Ryzen.

For MOBO I like Aorus Gaming 7 if your budget allows.

For GPU go for the best you can afford, for VR I wouldn't go lower than the 2060.

Finally, for storage go for an SSD solution. While nvem might show a better performance once consoles put focus on it next gen, right now there is littlle benefit. A SATA SSD will work just fine. Samsung are among the best. I'd also have had good results with ADATA.

Building a PC is easier than ever. There are many resources online, including the PC thread here. If you need specific advice hit me up.

 

[daveonezero]

go to youtube. educate yourself. One of the biggest things on PC's is you can upgrade. You may not need the top of the line CPU today but as long as you get the right motherboard you can upgrade it later. If you mess up and get the wrong mother board you will end up switching out almost everything.

Also yeah what is your budget for the monitor?



See someone who made a PC with the same budget as you have.

Order all the parts from amazon.

Follow video to build PC.

Aslo newest Ryzen CPUS are ripping apart Intel.

 

[JBat]

It's very easy to build it yourself. If you can put together a Lego set you can build a PC and it's just as fun. My advice is to not skimp on a power supply and go with a modular one. It makes wire management easier and looks nicer. Also consider an all-in-one CPU cooler. It will be quieter than an air cooler and a little more efficient. As for a case, bigger is better. Look for something that will accommodate some extra case fans. Avoid LEDs; they WILL get annoying. Trust me lol. And finally don't forget about a nice mouse and mechanical keyboard

 

[daveonezero]

Yeah gaming things are usually just for marketing.. The post I put up with the build I'd say you could follow that but save 100s on no RGB.

 

[jshackles]

I suppose I'll be the counterpoint in this thread. I used to build all my own PCs because back in the day it was a lot cheaper.

Now there are a lot of options for mid range budget builds that are much less expensive than buying the parts and paying someone to put it together for you. Just don't buy "name brand" (in most cases) and skip all the "epic gamer" shit because that usually just screams "unnecessary markup".

Case in point: I bought my daughter this computer a few weeks ago.

Archangel 3.0 - Skytech Gaming

Prebuilt & Custom Gaming PC Setup w/ Lifetime Support. Superior Desktop Components, American Built & Supported. Designed for Gaming, Streaming, and VR.

skytechgaming.com

It was $660 on Google Shopping. If I type all the pieces into PCPartPicker I get this

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

Even if you're a crazy person on here who likes to advocate pirating your operating system to save money, you're still better off paying the current price ($749) then you are paying for the parts separately and then spending the time to put them together yourself. The pre-built also includes a wireless card and internal bluetooth which I admittedly couldn't figure out how to add on PCPartPicker, along with a generic keyboard and mouse.

I bought my PC I'm typing this on last year from Best Buy, it was a pre-built Dell system that was in a similar scenario. It was on sale, and cost less at the time than the internal components would have set me back.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that putting your own PC together isn't always the best / cheapest option these days. You've gotta shop around and stay away from the obvious traps like Alienware or Razer, but it can be done and they typically provide a really solid "out of box" experience.

 

[Adam_802]

Hey guys so I was looking around and found this: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberp...0-super-1tb-ssd-black/6360137.p?skuId=6360137

What do you guys think? Keep in mind I can get it for a discount.

7 3700x
16gb RAM
rtx 2070 super
1tb SDD

 

[Mista]

I summon the homie that made me my PC and I’m absolutely loving the shit out of it. Excuse me angels, please send down my boy 888 to us the unworthy

 

[dsk1210]

In The UK we have Overclockers which is awesome for picking all your parts and they build it, overclock it and test it and it pretty much comes to the same price if you were building it yourself, the great thing is their cable management is fantastic and way neater than I could do it.

Is there no company like this in the US?

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

You shouldn't pay anymore than about 10 bucks for Windows 10, and it's completely legal.

 

[UltimaKilo]

OK so the announcement of Half Life Alyx has finally convinced me to get a gaming PC. Im a console only gamer who first experienced the Half Life games on the Orange Box on the Xbox 360 and completely fell in love. Despite playing on console, i'm probably more familiar with the Half Life story/lore than most PC gamers. I was always hoping that the next HL game (whenever it finally came out) would also be on console, but that is obviously not going to happen now. Not only that, but its apparent that it will also be a VR-only game. So i've finally decided to take the plunge and get into PC gaming. This is what finally pushed me over the edge. So.......

I need to get a gaming PC and a VR headset. I have a good amount of money saved up already thankfully. I want to get the Valve Index headset, I know it's the most expensive but it's a future investment and I want the best experience. I just need advice on the PC.

The steam store page for the Index says the recommended PC specs are a Quad core+ Processor with an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 or better and a USB 3.0+ port. Now I dont know too much about building a PC, so are there any good pre-built PCs out there that match those recommended specs? I know some pre-built PCs out there from certain stores can be crap (or not as advertised), so I'd like some advice. How much would a PC with those specs set me back? I have a budget of about $1000-$1500 for the PC alone, though i'd obviously like to spend as little as possible, plus I need to purchase the Index separately as well. It's of course all a big future investment. And then there's the monitor. I'd like a decently sized 144Hz monitor.

Best Buy would be the best source, since i'm currently applying for a job there and would get an employee discount if I get the job. And if not, I already have a friend who works there, so I can use his discount.

So basically, I would like advice on a good pre-built VR-ready gaming PC with the Index recommended specs for about $1000-$1500 as well as a good decently sized 144Hz monitor. Sorry if I sound stupid or misinformed on any of this, like I said i'm a console only gamer currently so I dont know too much about all of this yet but I want to learn. Any other advice/tips for setting it all up would be appreciated as well.

Also sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

Thanks in advance guys!

I think you need to do some research on headsets. The Index is OK, but the glare issues are terrible.

Best headset on the market is the Pimax8KX which gives 170FOV and 4K per eye.

Also, you can find some great gaming PC deals on Etsy that are: Intel i7, 2080, with 16GB of RAM for around $999, but they sell out quickly.

At this point, wait to see what new GPUs become available in 2020, even the 2080 struggles with huge games like Subnautic, at full settings.

 

[dsk1210]

I think you need to do some research on headsets. The Index is OK, but the glare issues are terrible.

Best headset on the market is the Pimax8KX which gives 170FOV and 4K per eye.

Also, you can find some great gaming PC deals on Etsy that are: Intel i7, 2080, with 16GB of RAM for around $999, but they sell out quickly.

At this point, wait to see what new GPUs become available in 2020, even the 2080 struggles with huge games like Subnautic, at full settings.

The pimax is awesome for its FOV but it's a finicky mess to get performance right and compatibility issues make it a right pain in the ass. I would not advise it for someone just getting into VR.

 

[Knch]

I think you need to do some research on headsets. The Index is OK, but the glare issues are terrible.

Best headset on the market is the Pimax8KX which gives 170FOV and 4K per eye.

My Index must be malfunctioning because I have no glare issues at all.

But of course the pimax, which also uses fresnel lenses, doesn't have this problem because of it's much higher resolution... (nevermind the lower base refresh rate, which is arguably a more important variable)

 

[888]

I summon the homie that made me my PC and I’m absolutely loving the shit out of it. Excuse me angels, please send down my boy 888 to us the unworthy

I have been summoned from a restless sleep of not building a PC in a month.

OP. If you want we can chat about what would work best via direct message if you want. Considering Cyber Monday is coming up building your own will be much more affordable than a prebuilt.

 

[UltimaKilo]

My Index must be malfunctioning because I have no glare issues at all.

But of course the pimax, which also uses fresnel lenses, doesn't have this problem because of it's much higher resolution... (nevermind the lower base refresh rate, which is arguably a more important variable)

If it wasn’t for the glare issues (great that you don’t have it, appears you are in the very small minority), it would be a great headset.

The refresh rate isn’t that big a deal to me. Yes, games look slightly smoother on Index, but it’s not perceivable over 90 (144hz is great tho).

The biggest win for Pimax, in my opinion, isn’t even the superior resolution, it’s the FOV which makes it much more immersive. It’s 130ish vs 170. Someday we’ll be at 200+ hopefully.

All headsets are plagued with vertical FOV issues, and unless StarVR ever gets off the ground, it will remain that way for some time.

Index wins on ease of use, however. Fooling around with PiTools can be a pain, but Valve did help Pimax in developing the 8KX, so let’s wait and see. The impressions are incredible so far.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Hey OP, this is a crazy deal. Keep an eye out, my cousin picked it up for $999 and once saw it at $850!

Open Box: ABS Gem - Intel i7-8700 - GeForce RTX 2080 - 16GB DDR4 - 240GB SSD - 1TB HDD - Gaming Desktop PC - Newegg.com

Buy Open Box: ABS Gem - Intel i7-8700 - GeForce RTX 2080 - 16GB DDR4 - 240GB SSD - 1TB HDD - Gaming Desktop PC with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

 

[MisterBrimstone]

We don't do "lol" mate. We are hardcore PC gamers.

PC gaming is gg ez.

 

[SantaC]

Hey guys so I was looking around and found this: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberp...0-super-1tb-ssd-black/6360137.p?skuId=6360137

What do you guys think? Keep in mind I can get it for a discount.

7 3700x
16gb RAM
rtx 2070 super
1tb SDD

it's a good PC.

 

[888]

You shouldn't pay anymore than about 10 bucks for Windows 10, and it's completely legal.

or even finding a win 7 oem key on a random pc and using that at the windows 10 installer will activate it. I’ve done that plenty of times.

 

[888]

Hey OP, this is a crazy deal. Keep an eye out, my cousin picked it up for $999 and once saw it at $850!

Open Box: ABS Gem - Intel i7-8700 - GeForce RTX 2080 - 16GB DDR4 - 240GB SSD - 1TB HDD - Gaming Desktop PC - Newegg.com

Buy Open Box: ABS Gem - Intel i7-8700 - GeForce RTX 2080 - 16GB DDR4 - 240GB SSD - 1TB HDD - Gaming Desktop PC with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

Generally not a bad price. Quick thoughts on it. Doesn’t show ram details besides amount. It’s not a K model processor so no overclocking. Also prebuilt usually skimp on the power supplies.

but if you’re not interested in overclocking it isn’t a terrible deal. I still would rather build In a case of my choosing but I just love doing that. Some don’t.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

It'll be a bottom of the range GPU, too. Probably Palit.

 

[Bert Big Balls]

Definitely build your own. It's great fun and you can use it as a learning experience. Nothing like pressing the power button and the lights coming on!

 

[MisterBrimstone]

Definitely build your own. It's great fun and you can use it as a learning experience. Nothing like pressing the power button and the lights coming on!

Then the Beep Beep Beep Beep from the motherboad that still gives you nightmares.

 

[888]

Then the Beep Beep Beep Beep from the motherboad that still gives you nightmares.

It’s almost always that damn cpu 4 pin power cable people forget about.

 

[GametimeUK]

For the monitor I recommend the PG279Q from Asus. 1440p, Gsync and 144hz (can overclock to 165hz). Assuming you go with a Nvidia card of course.

 

[daninthemix]

Welcome, OP!

My penis grew an additional 4 inches when I moved from console to PC.

 

[GametimeUK]

You could try and get a pre built bundle. I got my motherboard, CPU (they overclocked it for me), ram and cooler all set up and working for me. All I did was pop it in the case and did the rest myself. 3 year warranty on the bundle and it was only a small premium to buy it that way.

 

[888]

For the monitor I recommend the PG279Q from Asus. 1440p, Gsync and 144hz (can overclock to 165hz). Assuming you go with a Nvidia card of course.

Can second this, I love my PG279Q and was by far the best upgrade I picked 3 years ago when I was doing a mid cycle refresh on my system. Its funny how many people skimp on a Monitor when its what we spend our whole time looking at.

 

[kraspkibble]

Don't buy a prebuilt. 99% of the time they are garbage and a total rip off.

CPU - 6 or 8 cores. anything less than 6 is severely outdated and anything over 8 is a waste of money. You could argue that most games are only really starting to make use of more than 4 cores but with the amount of 6 or 8 core cpus out now there is no reason to get 4. 6 cores will do fine but ideally go with 8. If you're building a PC for VR and getting a 144Hz monitor then you need a very good CPU. my recommendations:

6 core cpu - Ryzen 3600. Probably the best budget CPU out right now. Will destroy anything you throw at it.
8 core cpus - Ryzen 3700X or Intel 9900K/9900KS. Ryzen 3700X will do the job but if you want absolute gaming performance then nothing beats the Intel 9900K/9900KS. The difference between the K + KS is minimum and not worth the money. Get whatever is cheapest. The Intel will give you better higher frames which is crucial for VR/144Hz.

GPU - there are a LOT of gpus. AMD aren't really that great in the GPU department. You'll want an Nvidia card. a 1070 is roughly the same as a 1660 or 1660 Ti. I wouldn't recommend either those cards now the 1660 Super is out (it sits between both in terms of performance). After that GPU the next step is RTX gpus. I really don't need to say it but you should spend as much as you possibly can on your GPU.

RAM - no less than 16GB. i would recommend 32GB if you plan on using this PC for 3-5 years. 16GB is fine now but in the next couple years i reckon it will start to struggle. I used to have 16GB but games can easily use 10-13GB now so i upgraded to 32GB. any make is fine (corsair/g.skill are good). If you get an Intel cpu you can basically just throw in any RAM kit and forget about it. If you go Ryzen then you need FAST ram with low latency timings. 3200Mhz and CL16 is the minimum. Anything over 3600Mhz is a waste of money. The lower the latency (CL16 fore example) the better.

Storage - GET AN SSD. this is very important. even if you get a 250GB drive to install windows and programs on it. you can stick in a large capacity HDD for all your games. ideally you'd buy another SSD. i would highly recommend an NVMe SSD and not SATA3 SSD. sata3 isn't bad but it's an old standard that is starting to die out. all my drives on my PC are NVMe now except a large capacity HDD for backup. as for storage i highly recommend either Samsung (expensive) or WD (cheaper but still good performance).

PSU - please. do. not. cheap. out. on. your. psu. don't do it. so many people buy high end CPUs/GPUs and then power it with a crappy PSU that will end up just frying your entire PC. make sure it's 80% plus rated gold efficiency. I swear by EVGA PSUs. i have a 750W EVGA SuperNova G2 and it's rock solid.

CASE - get one that you like the look of. just of course make sure it fits everything lol. i mean don't buy a mini atx case with an ATX motherboard lol (not that you would but still...) other than that...i would just read reviews and see what ones are easiest to build in.

Motherboard - the main thing is pairing your motherboard with CPU. you get a Ryzen CPU you need an AM4 board. If you get a Ryzen 3700X you need an X470/X570/B450 board. If you get a 9900K you need a Z390. just make sure your motherboard has all the ports/connections you need. my last motherboard i just bought purely on how it looked lol.

_____________

It's really overwhelming when you're new to PC building but just keep reading up and learning. If you have any more questions (you will...) or need help then we're here to help you

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I really want to switch my case. I have the Coolermaster H500P Mesh but I love the NZXT 510 Elite. I would probably also then swap my Corsair 100i RGB Platinum AIO for a Kraken.

I'm aware the case is overly expensive with worse airflow....but still. Talk me out of it.

 

[petran79]

If you game on console, Valve will release the game on ps4/5 and Xbox One/Scarlett too, so you could save a lot in hardware department for vr.

Costs for vr and 4k in general are still very high. I'd wait another 5 years for prices to reach hd level.

For that price range you'll have a top pc that can play 1440 games though

 

[Musky_Cheese]

So I have to disagree with the idea that A) Prebuilts are crap and B) You save by doing it yourself.

First, yeah you do "save" because you aren't paying yourself. Building wasn't something I wanted to do when I bought mine. And if its not something I want to do, its work. And my hourly work rate $/hour is way higher than what I am being charged for by another company. So it depends on A) whether you want to do the work *pleasure vs business* and B) if it's business how much do $ your work.

Corsair builds nice prebuilts. I bought one and did a comparison on exact parts bought vs prebuilt price. It was a couple hundred dollars off (and Corsair gave me $200 off the prebuilt at that time).

Don't get me wrong, there are prebuilts and companies that are crap. But that goes for any company in every kind of market.

However if you are on a tight budget, I would suggest DIY.

 

[hariseldon]

Personally I'd not recommend telling a newbie to build their own. While it is cheaper, it works on the assumption that your time is without value, that all parts arrive in full working order, and that you have the skill to construct the machine. In reality, it's handy to have a spare machine to test parts in if they don't behave as expected (which happens more than you might think) and there are plenty of ways to fuck up.

Pre-built may cost a bit more, but it'll save you a hell of a lot of hassle.

 

[kurisu_1974]

I gave up on building my own PCs when I started making enough money to just buy Alienware gaming desktops and matching peripherals. I know everyone shits on them becasue they are Dell and overpriced (not even sure they are tbh) but you can get liquid cooled desktops with everything you'd wish for just out of the box and the previous one lasted me 6+ years (with a GPU upgrade every two or so years).

 

[Bert Big Balls]

Then the Beep Beep Beep Beep from the motherboad that still gives you nightmares.

Or you press the power button and literally nothing happens.

 

[Knch]

It’s almost always that damn cpu 4 pin power cable people forget about.

How ancient are you that you (also) remember those (only) being 4 pin?

Personally I'd not recommend telling a newbie to build their own. While it is cheaper, it works on the assumption that your time is without value, that all parts arrive in full working order, and that you have the skill to construct the machine. In reality, it's handy to have a spare machine to test parts in if they don't behave as expected (which happens more than you might think) and there are plenty of ways to fuck up.

Pre-built may cost a bit more, but it'll save you a hell of a lot of hassle.

- that you have the skill to construct the machine
If you can operate a screwdriver, you have the skill.

- there are plenty of ways to fuck up
If you follow the manual you get with every single motherboard, there is little to no chance of fucking up.

 

[888]

How ancient are you that you (also) remember those (only) being 4 pin?


- that you have the skill to construct the machine
If you can operate a screwdriver, you have the skill.

- there are plenty of ways to fuck up
If you follow the manual you get with every single motherboard, there is little to no chance of fucking up.

HA, 35 but I got started really young building lol.

 

[ViolentP]

Firstly, welcome.

Secondly and most importantly, PC is not consoles. You do not simply plug it in and it goes. On a PC you get out what you put in.

You won't be updating drivers every 24 hours and you won't be struggling to stay on par with performance expectations if you simply understand your new ecosystem.

My recommendation would be to build for two reasons: price and familiarity. Better pricing allows better components and by building, when that weird thing happens, you aren't as helpless as a newborn.

Engage in the build, customize to your liking, and realize that gaming is only a fraction of what you are building. There are plenty of resources you can tap into and you can always reach out to me directly if needed.

Best of luck.