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The first few days with Stadia - I’m kinda impressed
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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OP I am solidly with you on this, I have had no issues with my stadia setup.
To make it even worse....I’m playing on a 204” screen (read: a wall in my living room) projected by a 4K projector running through a 4K splitter and it still plays great!
To make it even worse....I’m playing on a 204” screen (read: a wall in my living room) projected by a 4K projector running through a 4K splitter and it still plays great!
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The Pleasure
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I fucked with stadia before. It burns when i pee now. But seriously. 250 ms of lag? My dial up dreamcast with quake 3 arena had slightly less lag than that.
PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
This reads like it's from someone who gets coal every Xmas and never understood that it's meant to be a bad thing. Like you just sort of went with it and probably tried to eat it.So, I actually purchased a Stadia founder edition and thought I’d post some thoughts regarding the whole thing.
Day 1 - setup
I was one of the lucky ones and received my code, all good. Setting up though was a nightmare! I couldn’t get the controller linked with the chromecast and no matter what I tried, I couldn’t get it working. I quit.
Day 2 - 2nd attempt
I got the controller linked and fired up Destiny and, I have to admit, I was impressed. I did a lot of ‘tests’ where I’d press a button and see how long it took to react and it was fine, no issues. I played for around 30 mins and after the first few minutes, I completely forgot I was playing in Stadia, it just felt like playing on a local console. It was that good.
Day 3
Fired up mortal kombat 11. Again, no problem at all. I had a blast and aside from one or two stutters, it was fine.
Day 4 - the ah-ha moment
I wanted to play some world of warships on my PC (yeah, yeah, sue me. I like it) and hadn’t logged in for around 2 weeks. The first thing that greets me is a huge update which takes (in total) around 45 - 50 mins to download and update. Urgh.
Being a parent, I often only have a limited amount of time to game and I was somewhat peeved. However, that’s when I remembered I had Stadia and fired up Destiny. Sure enough, I was playing within moments and it was all good. I loved the fact I didn’t have to bother with downloads.
This one moment sold me. Sure, time will tell regarding the service but at that exact moment, I was more than happy with it.
Now, I do have a relatively fast connection (200 up and down on unlimited) but if someone had said to me 10 years ago that this would be possible, I’d have laughed at them. Hell, I remember playing unreal tournament on my 56k modem!
I know there are a lot of haters out there, but I thought I’d share this with you all.
Katsura
Member
I get that and i'm certainly not accusing anyone here of lying except the dude who said 'input lag is not an issue with stadia'. That's clearly false since a lot of users have issues with it
Regarding input lag and calculations, you're right. The problem is no one is going to play stadia in lab conditions. You can get conditions where you probably won't notice it for certain games but who has internet with a constant, stable ping? I'm on a 1 Gbps up/down fibre line and even then there are fluctuations in ping. Those fluctuations will cause input lag to be noticeable no matter what
If you check out the launch event, there was clear input lag. If there is input lag in their own controlled environment, how could there not be in the wild?
Dontspeakforme
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If he’s paying $130 for games he already owns and has 200mb internet I don’t think affordability is an issue.
It sounds like he’s more into gadgets than gaming, if you’re a gaming enthusiast you would have a 4K TV by now.
Damigos
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i cant love a game on stadia no matter how good it is. It was a shock not to have a game at disca and download it, but now, not even stored on your HDD ? Nah, maybe i am dinosaur but i dont want this. Its wrong
But i guess one day that will happen too, where all games will be streamed
But i guess one day that will happen too, where all games will be streamed
Elitist gamers who over romanticize "owning" slabs of plastic.
ethomaz
Banned
Spotify, Netflix, YouTube, etc doesn't rely on latencies... they can buffer and avoid any latency issue.
Games not because they need to send commands to the cloud hardware knows what to render in the next frame...
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as someone who has been gaming since the days of the C64, I’ve seen gaming evolve and have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
PleaseWaitStation4
Banned
with the option of choosing a console with the same games and NONE of the negatives of the Stadia, you have to enjoy pain more than pleasure. You'd understand the metaphor if you finished High School instead of playing your C64.
yeah, such a shame I ended up with a BSc, MSc and PhD.
also, did you bother to read the post instead of just jumping in and hating on it. I ever once said it was ‘better’, I just said I had a great experience.
if you don’t like that, I really don’t give a shit.
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Real
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At this point you won't notice any additional input lag, this TV is already going to be atrocious.
I'd consider myself an 'enthusiast' despite jettisoning pc gaming when I became a father 9 years ago. I do own ps4 slim, Xbox one X and the switch though.
Last week I added Stadia to my current ownership after dabbling with Onlive, Geforce now, PsNow and Xcloud beta I was expecting similar levels of performance.
I was wrong
Stadia is in a different category when it comes to latency in response times to the DC's. To be fair I have 380mb broadband with Google WiFi and Stadia prioritisation enabled.
Destiny is a better 'feeling' game than both console versions, with double the frame rates, 1/4 of the loading times, higher FOV and more importantly none of the laggy player BS in crucible and Gambit
That last point is the biggest and most unexpected revelation. The game feels like playing on a LAN when playing online. The difference between destiny on Xbox one X and Xbox 360 is insignificant compared to Stadia.
The biggest thing lacking is the tiny launch catalogue but the fundamental technology works.
Last week I added Stadia to my current ownership after dabbling with Onlive, Geforce now, PsNow and Xcloud beta I was expecting similar levels of performance.
I was wrong
Stadia is in a different category when it comes to latency in response times to the DC's. To be fair I have 380mb broadband with Google WiFi and Stadia prioritisation enabled.
Destiny is a better 'feeling' game than both console versions, with double the frame rates, 1/4 of the loading times, higher FOV and more importantly none of the laggy player BS in crucible and Gambit
That last point is the biggest and most unexpected revelation. The game feels like playing on a LAN when playing online. The difference between destiny on Xbox one X and Xbox 360 is insignificant compared to Stadia.
The biggest thing lacking is the tiny launch catalogue but the fundamental technology works.
HoodWinked
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Ya digital foundry did testing on it
Tomeru
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So ofcourse it'll feel better than 30fps on consoles. No magic or secret sauce. Its the?way of the fps. I'd wager that destiny2 feels better in 60fps with minor lag, then d2 console.
D2 on console is a delayed experience.
I don't know that it should be classified as "hate",
The only people I've seen angry about Stadia are people who have bought it and are experiencing one of more of the various issues that have been detailed since launch.
I'm not sure that describing people who paid money to get something that isn't working for them as "haters" is quite right.
To be fair here, the ONLY selling point that you managed to put forward in your OP was the thing about downloading updates.
Stadia doesn't require installs or updates,
OK, but let's remember here that you actually wanted to play Game X but because there was 45 to 50 minute download (and with your 200 up and down on unlimited that must have been one hell of a download file) you ended up playing Game Y.
So this is no different from consoles. If I get home and I want to play RDR2 online but there is an update then I just play Destiny 2 instead then it's no difference. I wanted to play Game X, there was an update needed, so I played Game Y.
I don't see how this somehow balances out the input lag or the drops in quality etc.
I'm curious about what your total spendings on Stadia would be so far? Games, accessories, subscriptions etc.
How much is it, all in?
mcjmetroid
Member
Spotify is a thing so is Netflix but Google Stadia is like a Spotify/Netflix where you buy the games separately so... they're not the same.
Xcloud seems like it would be a better comparison.
The stadia hate is on 3 fronts:
1: People who don't like the idea of streaming, want to own their own games.
2: People who think the service itself at launch is terrible, the charging system is unbelievably bad, the launch games are terrible etc
3: People who are concerned about the quality of the streaming.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
4: people that want to stream
I understand your point and it’s perfectly valid. But sometimes you just wanted to play a game and even though I ended up playing a different one, it was still an enjoyable experience, as I love Destiny 2.
what I was trying to put forward with the install wait thing was that regardless of what happened with me the other day, is that this has happened many times before and won’t from now on.
spend so far. I bought the founder pack and MK11 and will maybe get Rage 2 when I get home today. Destiny is free and I have 3 month free subscription.
Day 2 had a max of 2 stutters. Show me ANY game that doesn’t stutter at times.
Yeah, I get that. I get that this was one of the big touted selling points of Stadia. No more updates, no more waiting.
I do question though if it's really worth the trade off.
You can say "well it's fine for me" because you have a good internet connection but that puts Stadia as a platform in a strange spot compared the others.
I can buy and XBox and pretty reliably hook it up and play games.
With Stadia it seems like this will depend entirely on my internet connections and stability.
I think the skepticism should not be equated with "hate" in this instance because realistically people WILL get annoyed when they see this platform being pushed without the disclaimer that if you don't have a good connection then it will be a total waste of your time and money.
I mean, to me it's like you really love Destiny 2 and of course I would not begrudge anyone having a good time with any game BUT that's a good representation of Destiny 2, not Stadia.
If I love Game X then awesome. If I have to tell my whole family to keep everything disconnected from our network while I play Game X then... not so awesome.
The no need to wait for installs is great. The inability to play because of the connection is a deal breaker though.
Yeah, all good points, man. When I lose connection, then it’s screwed. A lot of the games I play are online though (Destiny, World of Warships), so I’m screwed either way
lukilladog
Member
If you are an enthusiast then go back to the better version of the games, experiment is over.
Nope. Also, what’s YOUR definition of enthusiast? Please, enlighten us so everyone here on Gaf (of which I’ve been a member of for 10 years) can align ourselves.
lukilladog
Member
One that is not happy being conformist.
Grinchy
Banned
My Samsung 1080p TV from 2009 still has better or at least equal input lag as most TVs today that are sold on their low input lag.
CuteFaceJay
Member
I guess with better video encoders n all that jazz. Speed of light is still slow AF in the networking department due to so many hops it needs to connect with before the image actually hits your screen.
Hinedorf
Banned
So, I actually purchased a Stadia founder edition and thought I’d post some thoughts regarding the whole thing.
Day 1 - setup
I was one of the lucky ones and received my code, all good. Setting up though was a nightmare! I couldn’t get the controller linked with the chromecast and no matter what I tried, I couldn’t get it working. I quit.
Day 2 - 2nd attempt
I got the controller linked and fired up Destiny and, I have to admit, I was impressed. I did a lot of ‘tests’ where I’d press a button and see how long it took to react and it was fine, no issues. I played for around 30 mins and after the first few minutes, I completely forgot I was playing in Stadia, it just felt like playing on a local console. It was that good.
Day 3
Fired up mortal kombat 11. Again, no problem at all. I had a blast and aside from one or two stutters, it was fine.
Day 4 - the ah-ha moment
I wanted to play some world of warships on my PC (yeah, yeah, sue me. I like it
Being a parent, I often only have a limited amount of time to game and I was somewhat peeved. However, that’s when I remembered I had Stadia and fired up Destiny. Sure enough, I was playing within moments and it was all good. I loved the fact I didn’t have to bother with downloads.
This one moment sold me. Sure, time will tell regarding the service but at that exact moment, I was more than happy with it.
Now, I do have a relatively fast connection (200 up and down on unlimited) but if someone had said to me 10 years ago that this would be possible, I’d have laughed at them. Hell, I remember playing unreal tournament on my 56k modem!
I know there are a lot of haters out there, but I thought I’d share this with you all.
Appreciate the review as I'm sure there's others with positives on Stadia, let's hope the trolling doesn't drown out what potential exists here
What does that even mean?
They’re games.
JCK75
Member
My experience has been insanely good, but my house has long been setup to get perfect gamestreaming between my Shield TV's and my Shield Handheld. My wife is a cunt who doesn't like me playing video games, my kid is awesome but also a little asshole who hogs the TV where my PS4/Xbox One are attached to watching his shitty spy ninja youtube videos. being able to hook the controller to my phone, a spare chromebook I have laying around, my Surface Pro 4 or whatever and just game away and hop between them is incredible. The Chomecast Ultra is on the main TV so I can't use it but I found I can play on my 2015 shield upstairs by sideloading Chrome and launching the stadia site in desktop mode (though at this time it only works with the Shield controller, none of my third party controllers will work with it like other apps do). I mainly play my PC and switch but It's good to be able to finally play RDR2 and I can also pop into it at work and I have the same flawless experience. The only thing I want to see improve is some of the graphical quality settings of Destiny 2 and RDR2, which they say will happen once the devs have their engines more optimized for the hardware, it will just happen (RDR2 is based on the PC build which has issues, so 1440P upscaled is not half bad)
I understand it's not for everyone, but one look at the Stadia subreddit shows the vast majority of people who got it are extremely happy with it, pretty much every tech review person calling it total shit, is doing so based on third party info and not personal hands on experience.
I understand it's not for everyone, but one look at the Stadia subreddit shows the vast majority of people who got it are extremely happy with it, pretty much every tech review person calling it total shit, is doing so based on third party info and not personal hands on experience.
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LazyParrot
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So you're saying most of those Stadia reviewers haven't actually used Stadia? I find that a bit hard to believe. Can you name some examples?
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JCK75
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Sorry worded badly only a handful of reviewer got it, I mean the majority of tech reviewers who are just talking mad shit, have not played it.. (meant people known for reviews not that they are reviewing it)
Yongyea and Dreamcast guy seem to be the most notable taking glee in shitting on it, without having experience with it. (and if your actual username references the Dreamcast you probably shouldn't be shitting on anyone elses launch lineup)
ethomaz
Banned
No more updates is being hyperbolic.
Stradia do updates in games just like if you left your console do it in background when you are not using it.
I'm not sure how they are handling updates but it probably will show even maintance to users when doing it that is no different from apply updates on consoles/PC.
In Destiny 2 case you can't even login without update... so you can be booted in Stradia just like it happens in console/PCs.
Stradia has no advantage here at all.
Perharps you need to wait the Stradia team apply the update while in console/PC you can apply anytime you want.
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Closer
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I have yet to try Stadia, but good for you guys that are having a positive experience with it.
I'm patiently waiting for the free version to judge the service myself as I understand that the experience is gonna be better the closer you are to Stadia's server and that, as everyone doesn't have the same setup and/or live on the same place, their experience gonna be wildly different by nature of tech.
I'm patiently waiting for the free version to judge the service myself as I understand that the experience is gonna be better the closer you are to Stadia's server and that, as everyone doesn't have the same setup and/or live on the same place, their experience gonna be wildly different by nature of tech.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Gamers Nexus absolutely tested it.
JCK75
Member
Oh yea I mean he spent months shitting on it before getting his hands on it, when it actually did what he's actually saying in his review shows it's way better than he expected but then goes into a bunch of subjective (his choice of words, not mine) shit to bring the mood down after showing us how perfectly playable it is.
Gamer Nexus serves PC elitist audience. And that's not an insult. It's their demographic and Stadia is clearly not aimed at them.
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The Bloody-Nine
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You said: 'I mean the majority of tech reviewers who are just talking mad shit, have not played it'.
That's simply not true. Unless you can cite some examples?
zeorhymer
Member
I think the major hate is that Stadia may not be accessible to people. The OP and the other person both have internet speeds that are 200 and 380 mb/sec. So yeah, I think that people are hating on the disconnect that Google says Stadia will revolutionize gaming, when the vast majority of people can't even come close to experiencing it.
JCK75
Member
So you quoted Gamers Nexus
His first review title
Google Stadia Review as a Real Consumer | Bad Setup & No Codes
The No codes part is key, meaning he is reviewing it, but hasn't receive his code,
so you have a 15 minute bitch fit about something he hasn't been able to try yet.
So there are TONS of major sites commenting on it based on third hand information
As a founder on the first few days of launch I was watching for videos to pop up on people's experiences.. and the majority of what I could find is mostly videos from the usual suspects talking shit, and then you watch it and they are all cherry picking the worst responses of others. And now that the issues are resolved and going to the discord or reddit page and hearing what the gamers are saying and finding it's 99% positive they went quiet all of a sudden.. not newsworthy that gamers are happy with it now that the issues have been resolved? they sure did latch onto those sources when we were pissed about not getting codes.
Reviewtech USA did the same and he actually said this. "You know it's in trouble when they double their launch lineup"
a tech reporter, completely ignoring what google said about the lineup (they have a lot of games submitted for approval but were unsure which ones would make it through the process by launch but believed many more than what they have announced will be ready on launch day) and just puts it out like it's fact that they were so desperate they just magically pulled another 12 games out of their ass.
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Neofire
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In my opinion it should be getting the level of criticism it has been because of the terrible business model and the Anti game ownership it pushes.
I don't like the false narrative that Google gives that "anyone anywhere can experience Stadia" knowing alot of regions have data caps and piss poor speeds.