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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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hemo memo

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What’s the definition of publicly marketed?

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And the last image is Xbox Series X with PS5. Great marketing strategy huh!
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
By “product” you mean the fake console designs all over the web and social media? Great marketing.

The logo reveal was enough to say the product was real. Nothing to do with leaks and fake renders and pastebins that 99% of the general audience knows nothing about. For a few days, the number 1 trend on twitter, and what I saw on news sites and in newspapers was "Sony unveil the PlayStation 5". It made MASSIVE news everywhere, the world over.

Just because they didn't talk hard facts, or show the box, or show anything other than a logo, it doesn't mean anything. They took to the stage to essentially say "Listen up bitches, this shits real, and its coming at you like a wet flannel".

EDIT: The only thing here is does "publicly marketed" mean announcing the product is real to the public, or does it mean "must be shown on adverts". Either way, its far, far too soon to start displaying it on adverts and such if its releasing later in the year. And I can't see them shadow dropping the next generation playstation smack bang in the middle of when they are releasing their biggest games of the entire damn generation.
 
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hemo memo

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The logo reveal was enough to say the product was real. Nothing to do with leaks and fake renders and pastebins that 99% of the general audience knows about. For a few days, the number 1 trend on twitter, and what I saw on news sites and in newspapers was "Sony unveil the PlayStation 5". It made MASSIVE news everywhere, the world over.

Just because they didn't talk hard facts, or show the box, or show anything other than a logo, it doesn't mean anything. They took to the stage to essentially say "Listen up bitches, this shits real, and its coming at you like a wet flannel".

EDIT: The only thing here is does "publicly marketed" mean announcing the product is real to the public, or does it mean "must be shown on adverts". Either way, its far, far too soon to start displaying it on adverts and such if its releasing later in the year. And I can't see them shadow dropping the next generation playstation smack back in the middle of when they are releasing their biggest games of the entire damn generation.

So you mean Sony is immune because of the PS4 success? Let me see, what other game console that was massively popular followed by a disaster failed one... hmmm.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
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Enjoy your story driven third person cinematic games coming at you soon, Sony fans!

I have to say mind you, that I enjoyed Alan Wake and Quantum Break, and have yet to sadly play Control. Though I hope its still coming to Gamepass. (Though that deal would have been done ages ago). The biggest ball ache if this is true is the potential death of Alan Wake. Thats no way to go.
 
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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
So you mean Sony is immune because of the PS4 success? Let me see, what other game console that was massively popular followed by a disaster failed one... hmmm.

What...? I'm sorry are you having a totally different discussion with somebody else and getting this confused, because sir, if I may... What the FUCK are you talking about? I don't give a flying tit if something is popular or not, I don't deal in that shit. I enjoy what I enjoy, regardless of what the sheep think. The point I'm making is that some bullshit was posted about how its about how they will have to unveil it all because of a simple trademark, something products do all the damn time. You're essentially chasing every last damn scrap of paper you can find, having two pieces and a bubble gum wrapper, and coming out with a Steven King novel.
 

splattered

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I had a crazy and unrealistic thought this morning while getting the kiddos ready for school...

What if Lockhart has been staring at us in the face this whole time?

What if the micro tower form factor of XsX is meant to be universal and utilized to house varying spec'd console internals now and into the future?

If they find a way to make things modular and non tech savvy friendly, say you could buy the XBOX Tower and then either purchase the Series S or Series X internals. Either swap them in and out yourself or have a company like Gamestop perform it for you if you're old and clueless.

In three years from now you could use the chassis you already own and buy or trade up to the Series Y or Z internals for cheaper than you would an entire console and get into the mid gen refresh for less money.

Realistically I know this would never happen haha

Though wasn't there a recent XsX screen of it registering as a PC?

Hmmm
 
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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'

Ok, I'll bite!!!

Just the other day you were all saying Gears story was bullshit, and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the likes ND and company can do!

HA! So, is it a story game, or is it a tired old franchise!!!

Ok now you go.

This is a joke post, so cool your mod jets Starscream.
 
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DrDamn

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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Maybe... MAYBE... Sony have purchased Remedy, and forced them into working with medical stuff, because... Maybe the PS5 is actually the new Sony car... And maybe it only goes 90mph, but runs so hot it hurts people...?

We will just never know...
 

XinTniX

Neo Member
What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 system with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 system with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?
 
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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?

I think A myself, for both Sony and MS.

I mean, this is a massive leap in power with the latest tech, plus SSD, plus a massively upgraded CPU. Even if they released at 9tf, that's one hell of a massive jump from this gen, and we would see some seriously amazing things.

And at a cheap entry price too? Sold, easy.
 
What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?


499 without any doubt. 9TF may seem many but that people forget that the minimum resolution is now 4k. 4k consumes many resources, the RT consumes many resources, in addition there are more and more users who are not satisfied with 30fps and displaying 60fps also consumes many resources. A system with 9TF will be left behind very fast as soon as the RT becomes standard.
 

McHuj

Member
What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 system with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 system with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?


$499 system. A higher base level of performance will be overall better.

I'm not convinced we will see a Pro system any time soon either way. I don't think it will be easy to release a SOC with ~18 TF of performance in the next 3-4 years. I don't think the process nodes are scaling fast enough for that.
 
What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 system with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 system with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?

Sony can come out with this as PS5

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and it still will sell >100M consoles
that's the strategy
 

7er0th

Neo Member
I had a crazy and unrealistic thought this morning while getting the kiddos ready for school...

What if Lockhart has been staring at us in the face this whole time?

What if the micro tower form factor of XsX is meant to be universal and utilized to house varying spec'd console internals now and into the future?

If they find a way to make things modular and non tech savvy friendly, say you could buy the XBOX Tower and then either purchase the Series S or Series X internals. Either swap them in and out yourself or have a company like Gamestop perform it for you if you're old and clueless.

In three years from now you could use the chassis you already own and buy or trade up to the Series Y or Z internals for cheaper than you would an entire console and get into the mid gen refresh for less money.

Realistically I know this would never happen haha

Though wasn't there a recent XsX screen of it registering as a PC?

Hmmm
*ahem*

 

ANIMAL1975

Member
What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 system with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 system with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?
Quoting myself ~1 hour ago:
I have another theory that already talked about in here, and it even makes more sense, at the light of this rumored change of plans around 2017.
I think ps4 and ps4 Pro was the testing for a generation model in which you launch a more conservative/cost saving console in the beginning, and then a more powerful and updated mid-gen refresh (again developed and priced to not lose money and be affordable) to face the new tech and development needs of the rest of the generation.
So, in my opinion, between 2016 (pro launch) and 2017, Sony concluded by the sales of the Pro, that all the investment and other costs taken with a redesign at mid-generation, simply didn't compensate, and that is more profitable to launch a more powerful PS5 prepared for the 6/7 years long generation, even if it has to take some loss at the beginning to price it more affordably _ and now with the positive numbers on the table of the hardware record sales, AND THE PAYING SUBSCRIPTION MODEL, the complete opposite of the transition from ps3 to ps4!
Well just a theory
 
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quest

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What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 system with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 system with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?
The 499.99 with no pro and I think to hit 399.99 it would be closer to 8.5-9tf to avoid any fancy cooling of a 36 cu chip so it have to have much less aggressive clocks with a elcheapo cooling solution. Also other cutbacks would be needed such as a possible reduction in SSD size and Ram quality to get to such a low price. I just don't think it is worth it over 7-8 years giving up what comes with those valuable 99.99 dollars. It is a marathon not a sprint especially with 5nm coming to reduce costs. In the first year or 2 core gamers will be fine with the extra cost if the PS5 is a great value which it would be at 12tf 499.99. Then the costs will come down to reducing cost to get more on board.
 

XinTniX

Neo Member
I think A myself, for both Sony and MS.

I mean, this is a massive leap in power with the latest tech, plus SSD, plus a massively upgraded CPU. Even if they released at 9tf, that's one hell of a massive jump from this gen, and we would see some seriously amazing things.

And at a cheap entry price too? Sold, easy.
Yes, I think like that too. And if I did receive this mission from my boss: ( http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019...yers_from_ps4_to_ps5_at_an_unprecedented_pace ) I think, a lower price is crucial to have success.

A Nextgen CPU + Ultra Fast SSD + The fact that devs are more interested in 1440p/60fps than native 4K corroborates to come with a cheaper GPU. And the very sales of PS4 vs PS4 PRO shows that people still prefer to buy the cheaper system.
 
What do you think is a better strategy?

Come with a:

399 system with ~9.5 Tflops (With a PRO system 2 or 3 years later)?

or

499 system with ~12.5/13.5 TFlops (Without a PRO system, Premium from the start)?

I don't see things like that with those Zen 2 processors. Rather, does it make sense to give credits to bad devs? Zen2 is not Jaguar. What's the point of pro models? A pro model would still be a Zen2 like hardware, not a new one that take into condideration all the new UV advantages like smaller and better GPU or it's not a pro but a PS6.
 
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Moneal

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499 without any doubt. 9TF may seem many but that people forget that the minimum resolution is now 4k. 4k consumes many resources, the RT consumes many resources, in addition there are more and more users who are not satisfied with 30fps and displaying 60fps also consumes many resources. A system with 9TF will be left behind very fast as soon as the RT becomes standard.
Totally agree that 9TF isn't enough for 4k moving forward. Cerny is on record saying that to do 4k in 2016 you needed at least 8TFlops. No way 9 is going to be enough in 2020, much less going forward for the next 7-8 years.
 
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