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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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bitbydeath

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Yes. They're hard data, they've come up around the time we'd expect, and they're numbers we can reliably trace and reference. And tbf, those aren't the only two sources; multiple GPU benchmarks have been datamined, those in reference to PS5 mainly still consistently being Oberon.

I could say I'm a developer too, but that wouldn't actually make me a developer (just as an example; I would hope the guy is being legit in their claim as a developer but it's not hard to fake that). And while I think the guy is probably affiliated with a development house in some way, there's no say to who that dev is, or his position in the hierarchy at that company.

Data & Statistics (and patterns in data and circumstantial results) > Blind Faith and Hearsay. Every. Single. Time.



Sony's got some of the best graphics artists in the biz, but they only got a chance to flex those skills because Sony gave them the budgets to do so. We know MS has suppressed most of their devs, particularly studios like Rare, from really flexing their potential.

When they let them flex themselves and give them some breathing room and budget, you get stuff like Hellblade 2 and Project:Mara. And yes those were in-engine but so was Uncharted 4's reveal trailer, and the final game pretty damn close to that reveal trailer.

There’s nothing hard about that data at all as it comes from a secondhand source which means it could be completely made up.

BGs is a verified Dev, that’s the closest you will see to real information outside of Sony/MS announcing their specs.
 
Tommy also posted info from months-old sheets publicly online and fed them to the thread as if it were new data to build up an insider status. After that was found out they clammed up to let the heat die down.

And nothing against BG personally, but if there's no proof, it's a no-buy for me. I've already made mention about how development houses structure their teams in tiers anyway. If there's some hard data in benchmarks for another PS5 chip, I want to see it uncovered through datamining. Otherwise it doesn't exist to me.
Bloody hell man. Your avatar. Love them thick girls :D
 

Neo Blaster

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Man, if there's nothing on 31st, anxiety levels will go through the roof...

I can hardly wait!!!
 

Niked

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If they do announce something on the 31st any guesses on what time? The last tweet was at 6:06 p.m.
There will be nothing... Nothing... Only chaos..
I believe we will not get anything in February. They just hired a new marketing manager... And made panic adjustments 1.5 year ago (not verified) so they might not even know what the message is. The current message are: The best place to play
But that might not be correct as it seems Xbox X will be as powerful and have huge lineup of exclusives coming Its way...
 

hemo memo

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There will be nothing... Nothing... Only chaos..
I believe we will not get anything in February. They just hired a new marketing manager... And made panic adjustments 1.5 year ago (not verified) so they might not even know what the message is. The current message are: The best place to play
But that might not be correct as it seems Xbox X will be as powerful and have huge lineup of exclusives coming Its way...

Maybe only the marketing manager at Sony know about the date of the reveal. That’s why no one knows.
 

RookX22

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There will be nothing... Nothing... Only chaos..
I believe we will not get anything in February. They just hired a new marketing manager... And made panic adjustments 1.5 year ago (not verified) so they might not even know what the message is. The current message are: The best place to play
But that might not be correct as it seems Xbox X will be as powerful and have huge lineup of exclusives coming Its way...
If we dont get anything in February how many insiders get their wrist slapped? I am also going to just play my switch maybe upgrade my cpu on my pc but i cant even do that since 4th gen ryzen is around the corner.
 

hemo memo

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Ok sir ok .
You are the uber duber master troll with this.
Have to wait 24 hours to tell you off but by then you gone.

Soo smart soo sneaky...

You see trolls this is how ya do it

You’re confusing me with the insiders. I don’t blame you though, we have more insiders than regular members and they are increasing by the day.
 

RaySoft

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But surely if the underlying tech is very powerful then it would be able to show itself on more powerful console (X) and make the game look better than what's on Playstation. No reason why they couldn't make a game like Uncharted on base Xbox and then upscale it to look superb on X. The reality is Sony devs are just much more talented.
..or do they have a different focus?
 

DaMonsta

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You know, I just want a defining moment again. Every time we keep getting experiences that are just the same thing, but nicer looking.

Shits getting old...

I want another Mario 64 moment, or Halo moment, or Oblivion moment. I’m trying to think about one from this gen but ok drawing a blank, even though I’m sure there is one lol.
You aren’t going to get one.

We are never gonna go from 2d to 3D. Or from digital to analog sticks, or from one to two sticks, or even SD to HD.

You just gotta appreciate what we got. It’s kinda a slow process now as opposed to huge jumps. I think some of the stuff games like Control and RDR2 did are great. Next gen will be putting that stuff in a 4K 60fps package.
 

Reindeer

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..or do they have a different focus?
I think they are very talented but they're also given more creative freedom and time. People who are allowed to express their creativity and are given sufficient time to perfect their art will outperform similarly talented people who work under constraints. Microsoft was too busy doing seminal releases and tying their studios to one franchise. They seem to be giving more freedom to their devs as of late though.
 
Bloody hell man. Your avatar. Love them thick girls :D

This one's got an Insta and TikTok; gonna be rotating through tons of these chicks, playa-style ;)

There’s nothing hard about that data at all as it comes from a secondhand source which means it could be completely made up.

BGs is a verified Dev, that’s the closest you will see to real information outside of Sony/MS announcing their specs.

Why would they be making those benchmarks up and AMD not step in with a cease & desist? Since that would be defamation basically (dunno if defamation can be argued by a corporation but there's probably something like it they could lay claim to). Also there were Xbox-related benchmarks posted too and the die shot officially posted can visually fit within those leaked benchmarks if not more.

BG isn't close to real info until there's some data that comes up to support their claims. Because in a way his own stuff runs contrary to what even other insiders were saying (i.e the systems would basically be a wash in terms of power-specs
 

bitbydeath

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This one's got an Insta and TikTok; gonna be rotating through tons of these chicks, playa-style ;)



Why would they be making those benchmarks up and AMD not step in with a cease & desist? Since that would be defamation basically (dunno if defamation can be argued by a corporation but there's probably something like it they could lay claim to). Also there were Xbox-related benchmarks posted too and the die shot officially posted can visually fit within those leaked benchmarks if not more.

BG isn't close to real info until there's some data that comes up to support their claims. Because in a way his own stuff runs contrary to what even other insiders were saying (i.e the systems would basically be a wash in terms of power-specs

Even if they’re not made up they’re old and we’ve known about a low-spec devkit being in the wild mid-last year.

The devkit, an early “low-speed” version, is concealed in a big silver tower

 

RaySoft

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I think they are very talented but they're also given more creative freedom and time. People who are allowed to express their creativity and are given sufficient time to perfect their art will outperform similarly talented people who work under constraints. Microsoft was too busy doing seminal releases and tying their studios to one franchise. They seem to be giving more freedom to their devs as of late though.
True. It's like politics.. We can keep blaming the president for not bringing any change, when the fact is that decisions made during the previous party's aera, will only start to materialize well into the next president's term. I remember ppl hating on Obama for something that Bush jr. was to blame for. Same goes for every presedency. (Im not american, so sry to step on sore toes here) The bottom line is change takes time, and it needs to be nurtured.

Sony knew this many years ago, Ms has finally caught wind, but we won't see the fruits of that labour for some years still. I don't think that Sony has come up with some secret recipe. Yes, Sony's first partys are really talented indeed, but it would be naive to think that MS' studios are not.
 
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Even if they’re not made up they’re old and we’ve known about a low-spec devkit being in the wild mid-last year.




But the Oberon chip was still being tested as late as June last year at 2GHz. That's just only about seven months ago (at most); I think some other benchmarks have later dates than that?

The PS5 devkit we've seen isn't really a tower. Badass-looking, yes. But not what I picture when I see a tower.

You aren’t going to get one.

We are never gonna go from 2d to 3D. Or from digital to analog sticks, or from one to two sticks, or even SD to HD.

You just gotta appreciate what we got. It’s kinda a slow process now as opposed to huge jumps. I think some of the stuff games like Control and RDR2 did are great. Next gen will be putting that stuff in a 4K 60fps package.

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Buy them for cheap, bring 'em home, drop a 2080Ti and Epyc processor in there, flip 'em and bam, next-gen truly begins.

For real tho, imagine a console with a peripheral like this as standard. Would be sick with VR.
 

Reindeer

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True. It's like politics.. We can keep blaming the president for not bringing any change, when the fact is that decisions made during the previous party's aera, will only start to materialize well into the next president's term. I remember ppl hating on Obama for something that Bush jr. was to blame for. Same goes for every presedency. (Im not american, so sry to step on sore toes here) The bottom line is change takes time, and it needs to be nurtured.

Sony knew this many years ago, Ms has finally caught wind, but we won't see the fruits of that labour for some years still. I don't think that Sony has come up with some secret recipe. Yes, Sony's first partys are really talented indeed, but it would be naive to think that MS' studios are not.
I agree that talent is widespread, but Naughty Dog for example are just a level above others. Maybe it has to do with the culture and demand of the studio, but these guys are just schooling everyone else. It's the same with how Pixar was dominant for so long even though there was talent elsewhere.
 

bitbydeath

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What specs? I'm not seeing anything that coincides with what Tommy has said. In fact, it looks like another nail in Tommy's coffin lol.

Tommy has been stating that PS5 is 13TF.


BGs while doesn’t state the exact spec does state it is higher than the expected 12TF XSX and mentions a high 13TF number meaning a lower 13TF number is certainly possible, hence closest to Tommy.
 

mitchman

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No, but there's something else called a timeline. Internally MS would have known about Sony's 8GB GDDR5 well before we the public did. I mean hell, right now both companies probably have a good bit more insight into each other's upcoming systems than we do, it is not improbable there was similar happening in 2012 and 2013.
Why do you insist they knew despite written statements from a former Xbox manager saying the opposite. It was clear they knew when Sony announced it and not earlier, like he said. Do you really claim to have more insight in this than he does?
 
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bitbydeath

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But the Oberon chip was still being tested as late as June last year at 2GHz. That's just only about seven months ago (at most); I think some other benchmarks have later dates than that?

The PS5 devkit we've seen isn't really a tower. Badass-looking, yes. But not what I picture when I see a tower.



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Buy them for cheap, bring 'em home, drop a 2080Ti and Epyc processor in there, flip 'em and bam, next-gen truly begins.

For real tho, imagine a console with a peripheral like this as standard. Would be sick with VR.

The tower came before the devkit we’ve seen. Testing in June/July is irrelevant as Ariel another supposed PS5 GPU was also tested then too and there’s just no way a 2GHZ final console would exist.
 
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Even if they’re not made up they’re old and we’ve known about a low-spec devkit being in the wild mid-last year.



Well we do know that the dev kit in march 2019 (big tower devkit)was 9.21 tf which sony called low speed .what ever that means .



V dev kit went out starting april 20,2019
 
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johnjohn

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Tommy has been stating that PS5 is 13TF.


BGs while doesn’t state the exact spec does state it is higher than the expected 12TF XSX and mentions a high 13TF number meaning a lower 13TF number is certainly possible, hence closest to Tommy.
BGs said he was just making up a number... And he never said it was higher than 12TF... What are you talking about?
 
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bitbydeath

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BGs said he was just making up a number... And he never said it was higher than 12TF... What are you talking about?

I know, I covered all that in the post.
He never said it was higher than 12TF but many are expecting XSX to be 12TF so higher than that and he gave 13.8TF although I don’t think it is to be taken seriously but the fact he made it so high and combined with it being over 12TF means a lower 13TF is very much a possibility.
 

FERN

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But the Oberon chip was still being tested as late as June last year at 2GHz. That's just only about seven months ago (at most); I think some other benchmarks have later dates than that?

The PS5 devkit we've seen isn't really a tower. Badass-looking, yes. But not what I picture when I see a tower.



1181242155152.jpg


Buy them for cheap, bring 'em home, drop a 2080Ti and Epyc processor in there, flip 'em and bam, next-gen truly begins.

For real tho, imagine a console with a peripheral like this as standard. Would be sick with VR.

Acer made one of these for PC, 10K USD price tag... limited movement though
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johnjohn

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I know, I covered all that in the post.
He never said it was higher than 12TF but many are expecting XSX to be 12TF so higher than that and he gave 13.8TF although I don’t think it is to be taken seriously but the fact he made it so high and combined with it being over 12TF means a lower 13TF is very much a possibility.
So it doesn't back up anything Tommy said as he was just making up numbers lol. And the loading difference example BGs gave sounds a lot less than what Tommy was saying.
 

McHuj

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Well we do know that the dev kit in march 2019 (big tower devkit)was 9.21 tf which sony called low speed .what ever that means .



V dev kit went out starting april 20,2019


I know people dismiss this, but coupled with a very fast SSD, it would be a really awesome console at that price. Probably easily 3X the GPU performance of the Pro and 4X the CPU. People would poo-poo the RAM amount, but even if it were 16 GB of GDDR6, some of it would likely be for the OS so why not just completely split those into 2 pools.
 
I just want to play The Division 2 at ultra PC settings on PS5, native 4K and 60fps.

Its a current gen game and it should be relatively easy for PS5 to pull off the above.
 

RaySoft

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Whoever gets this first wins next gen
If you can extract data out of something that's comparable to a limp dick, muscle wise, you certainly got some great tech on your hands:p

Edit: SERIOUSLY, how old is that girl on the far right there? Disgusting commercial.
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bitbydeath

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I just want to play The Division 2 at ultra PC settings on PS5, native 4K and 60fps.

Its a current gen game and it should be relatively easy for PS5 to pull off the above.

I’m just looking forward to fast loading. I used to use my PS4 as my media hub but upgraded my TV last year which now takes under 5 seconds to turn it on and start Netflix / whatever.
 

bitbydeath

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Dunno, sounds to me he is talking about SSD there, but we will have to wait and see.

Here, just focus on this part.
Cerny does the same test on the silver tower devkit and reduces load times to 0.8 of a second.

Then Cerny does the same thing on a next-gen devkit connected to a different TV. (The devkit, an early “low-speed” version, is concealed in a big silver tower, with no visible componentry.) What took 15 seconds now takes less than one: 0.8 seconds, to be exact.
 
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Strictly

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Here, just focus on this part.
Cerny does the same test on the silver tower devkit and reduces load times to 0.8 of a second.

Weird choice of words in that case. Why not just say a low power dev kit if you're trying to highlight power? Because in the context of the discussion (fast SSD), low speed would infer you're talking about the SSD (so as to say wow the final version will be even faster).

Unless they're referring to the clock of the GPU which would hint to it being at 2 Gghz giving further credence to the Github leak?
 
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I’m just looking forward to fast loading. I used to use my PS4 as my media hub but upgraded my TV last year which now takes under 5 seconds to turn it on and start Netflix / whatever.
My friend i had huge issues with loading on my PS4 Pro on the stock drive.
I used to wait around a minute or more for Divison 2 to load and then sometimes half a minute when i used fast travel in-game.

I stuck a Samsung 1TB SSD in my Pro and now the game loads in 30 seconds and fast travelling anywhere on the map takes around 8 seconds.

PS5 or Series X should easily insta-load when fast travelling in this game. Seen PC version of Division 2 at Ultra settings and my god its beautiful.
 
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