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[SuperLupeRap]

Oh, so you're just mad and throwing a tantrum. Second biggest game period is not the same as second best selling PS4 exclusive.

Days Gone

Set in the beautiful, volcanic scarred high-desert of the Pacific Northwest, Days Gone is an open-world action-adventure game in which you assume the role of Deacon St. John, a Drifter and bounty hunter who would rather risk the dangers of the broken road than live in one of the “safe”...

www.metacritic.com

71 metacritic, no wonder it bombed so hard in sales.

 

[Krappadizzle]

I have Gamepass. I don't use it all the time but at the cost for a year and what I'd likely buy from MSFT, it's fair value proposition. I didn't know it was thing that people disliked it. I don't know why someone would even care that it exists. It's great being able to play Games on my PC and then on my Xbox if I want. I got to play Crackdown 3, Forza's, Halo Reach, Gears all for the price of paying for just one of them. All great games and there's a bunch of other great games to play besides first party.

 

[ethomaz]

Not at all. I never deny facts nor turn them around cause I’m not gaining anything at the end of it. But the day you also admit you’re a blind Sony fanboy and drop your pathetic “neutral” act is the day I’ll discuss and take you seriously. At least I’m straightforward in all my discussions and I don’t hop in every thread that isn’t about Sony and just dig to add negativity to it You know whats also funny? That I’m willing to bet you anything you want if not the whole forum views you as I do. Cheers irmão

I believe you are mistaking me with somebody else lol
I never said I’m neutral... I know perfectly well where my bias lies.

Actually I have no issue how everybody sees me... in fact I’m pretty clear and direct with my posts.

 

[Bryank75]

You have to look at what behavior or possible behavior the business approach will necessitate / encourage...

Gamespass and subscription gaming is like the junk bonds that they sold to people in the crash.... at the beginning these derivatives were truly AAA rated investments but then the people making the derivatives realized they could throw any old shit in there and people would buy them all the same.

So right now MS is putting in some decent content and games.... but you'd have to be insanely gullible to think they will continue that forever. They simply use it to tempt people to their ecosystem and the minute they are ahead of the competition... boom, fees go up and quality goes down. Not all at once but gradually so people don't realize.

It's also just a continuation of the always online future that they wanted back in 2013.

So basically if you didn't like their plans in 2013, you shouldn't like this cause it's just the same thing but re-branded with Phil's face on it. It's literally the same DRM bullshit.

 

[JayK47]

I have a free 90 day trial of Game Pass for about another month. It was nice to play a lot of titles that were on my watchlist. I kind of like the idea of a subscription service. I can keep playing a game if I like it or unistall it if I do not. No pressure. When I buy a game, I feel that I should get my money's worth and play it even if I do not like it or if it feels more like a chore than fun. I do not think I will stick with Game Pass for the long haul, but I will keep an eye on it and hop back on from time to time to try a bunch of games I am not certain about.

 

[levyjl1988]

Game Pass
Pros:
Good value for the consumer.
Players can play games they otherwise wouldn’t purchase initially.
Destroys the used games market.

 

[polybius80]

Days Gone

Set in the beautiful, volcanic scarred high-desert of the Pacific Northwest, Days Gone is an open-world action-adventure game in which you assume the role of Deacon St. John, a Drifter and bounty hunter who would rather risk the dangers of the broken road than live in one of the “safe”...

www.metacritic.com

71 metacritic, no wonder it bombed so hard in sales.

So far, it seems to be a huge financial success.
In United Kingdom it is the most important bodily gross sales launch of 2019.
According to GFK Charts, “Sony’s PS4 exclusive title “Days Gone” debuts at the top of the All Formats Chart this week with the biggest launch of the year so far.”

Was the PS4 game Days Gone a financial success?

1 person wants answers to this question. Be the first to answer.

www.quora.com

Why 'Days Gone' Sales Are So Much Better Than Its Reviews

The game sits at a 72 on Metacritic, a low score for any game but much lower given the expectations we tend to have around Sony first-party titles. Sales seem to be a different matter.

Why 'Days Gone' Sales Are So Much Better Than Its Reviews

'Days Gone' got pretty bad reviews when it came out, but it's sales are looking a whole lot better. The answer comes down the bias of expertize.

www.forbes.com

and you even say it "bombed hard" as if you even know how much it bombed

sorry but you are a bit clueless about the state of this industry, the success of the game and it sales was commented a lot not just in GAF, then you ask "If Gamepass is bad for the industry then why has nobody noticed besides GAF?" do yo actually know that or you "think" it wasn't ?

 

[HaveButOneLife]

It's not about developers, it's about impacting game sales. Otherwise businesses see it as free money for their niche platform.

Edit: Quality, removing games whenever they want, and promoting digital content are all important arguable issues as well.

Suuuuureeeeeee. Lets just ignore all the people on PC that are subbed too

If Sony or Nintendo had this everyone will be sucking their dicks. Thats why I don’t waste my time discussing with people on GAF. What a joke

Sony has PS Now, and it's good value for PS4 subscribers (I'm not just talking about streaming either).

There are downloadable PS2 and PS4 games that are consistently being added so Game Pass does have some competition.

 

[demigod]

I would wager Days Gone outsold Gears 5, SoT, Crackdown 3 combined.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

The main flaw in all of these nonsensical doomsday arguments about how GamePass and subscriptions will kill the industry is that these things are all optional. All this talk about “well what’s to stop companies from just releasing shit filler” and “well most games will just be empty MTX vessels” etc etc ignore the simple fact that publishers will still want to sell these games at retail. There’s good reason that major pubs haven’t launched their games day one into services like GamePass or PS Now or GwG or PS+.

So you don’t have to worry about a future where every publisher has a subscription because that’s simply not going to make them any money compared to what they can make now. And you don’t have to worry about publishers deciding to just flood their services with cheap “filler” because again, they want you to buy these games at retail. Also how would they sell you a service full of filler? I remember when EA Access launched it was supposed to quickly usher in every publisher having a subscription service. Instead all we’ve gotten is a new storefront from Ubisoft. Most publishers aren’t EA or Ubisoft.

Someone posted a link to a reddit discussion earlier where some dude was bitching because thanks to GamePass he’d “wasted” time playing games he didn’t like such as Crackdown 3 or Strange Brigade. Trying to discredit the idea that games such as these being on GamePass could lead to more people playing them when he is literally proving that it happens by he himself playing them. And who gives a shit if he didn’t like them, that’s the whole point.

Children of Morta
Frostpunk
TABS
Descenders
Ruiner
Gears 5
My Friend Pedro
Slay the Spire
Mutant Year Zero
Dead Cells
Void Bastards
Darksiders 3

Among others, all games I wouldn’t have paid for but got to play and enjoy and bought DLC for and in some cases even bought the game to support devs who otherwise wouldn’t have seen a penny from me. I just don’t get the argument... it’s a bad thing that gamers will play things they otherwise wouldn’t. All this whining about how GP will make games less valuable, gamers themselves do that to games enough already.

 

[Animagic]

Suuuuureeeeeee. Lets just ignore all the people on PC that are subbed too

If Sony or Nintendo had this everyone will be sucking their dicks. Thats why I don’t waste my time discussing with people on GAF. What a joke

I own an Xbox. I don’t own a playstation. What are you implying?

 

[Bogroll]

You have to look at what behavior or possible behavior the business approach will necessitate / encourage...

Gamespass and subscription gaming is like the junk bonds that they sold to people in the crash.... at the beginning these derivatives were truly AAA rated investments but then the people making the derivatives realized they could throw any old shit in there and people would buy them all the same.

So right now MS is putting in some decent content and games.... but you'd have to be insanely gullible to think they will continue that forever. They simply use it to tempt people to their ecosystem and the minute they are ahead of the competition... boom, fees go up and quality goes down. Not all at once but gradually so people don't realize.

It's also just a continuation of the always online future that they wanted back in 2013.

So basically if you didn't like their plans in 2013, you shouldn't like this cause it's just the same thing but re-branded with Phil's face on it. It's literally the same DRM bullshit.

You know you can cancel it. I think you can even get a refund on any remaining full months if you've bought directly from the store. ie not a code.

 

[pr0cs]

You only need to look at people's post history to truly understand why they think gamepass is a bad thing

 

[Bogroll]

There is a little point that no one seems to have mentioned. Its converting those of us who are against digital games (me included) to go digital.

 

[ruvikx]

So basically if you didn't like their plans in 2013, you shouldn't like this cause it's just the same thing but re-branded with Phil's face on it. It's literally the same DRM bullshit.

So when I'm sitting there playing Final Fantasy XV Royal Edition on my One X through gamepass, I'm really just imagining it & it's in fact the DRM circa 2013 all over again? Goddamn, thanks for telling me, I might have inadvertently had fun if you hadn't posted that. BRB gonna cancel my subscription.

...

Do people realize the film industry has had "subscription models" since the 1980's (certainly here in France with Canal Plus i.e. the satellite channel)? You pay a monthly fee & you get a whole bunch of movies & TV series chosen by the network for a far lower fee than if you bought them all individually on VHS, DVD or now Bluray. Then that particular network which you subscribed to (Canal Plus as an example here) would also have its "first party releases" in the form of their own productions which would be exclusive to that channel. Sound familiar? The game industry merely took time (4 decades...) to wake up & get with the program. It's not like Netflix or recent streaming services created subscription models, it's been a thing for decades now. It didn't put the movie industry out of business.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Comparing it to Netflix is a poor argument. Different business models entirely/different mediums and they are not in the same position as a console maker/storefront owner.

Also the game industry is already in the filler territory. Boot up the store of Steam, PSN, Xbox, Switch. How many of those games coming out are you actually going to buy? Im gonna bet less than 10 percent.

If gamepass was literally the only thing M$ has then sure you could compare them but thats disingenuous.

Netflix is also only cash flow negative.

And Netflix is more of a household name that can be used on way more devices.

 

[Gavon West]

So when I'm sitting there playing Final Fantasy XV Royal Edition on my One X through gamepass, I'm really just imagining it & it's in fact the DRM circa 2013 all over again? Goddamn, thanks for telling me, I might have inadvertently had fun if you hadn't posted that. BRB gonna cancel my subscription.

...

Do people realize the film industry has had "subscription models" since the 1980's (certainly here in France with Canal Plus i.e. the satellite channel)? You pay a monthly fee & you get a whole bunch of movies & TV series chosen by the network for a far lower fee than if you bought them all individually on VHS, DVD or now Bluray. Then that particular network which you subscribed to (Canal Plus as an example here) would also have its "first party releases" in the form of their own productions which would be exclusive to that channel. Sound familiar? The game industry merely took time (4 decades...) to wake up & get with the program. It's not like Netflix or recent streaming services created subscription models, it's been a thing for decades now. It didn't put the movie industry out of business.

Stop using basic common sense in these here parts there Yoski!!! You know GaF don't play that shit. Lol

 

[CyberPanda]

Suuuuureeeeeee. Lets just ignore all the people on PC that are subbed too

If Sony or Nintendo had this everyone will be sucking their dicks. Thats why I don’t waste my time discussing with people on GAF. What a joke

Amen

 

[CyberPanda]

So when I'm sitting there playing Final Fantasy XV Royal Edition on my One X through gamepass, I'm really just imagining it & it's in fact the DRM circa 2013 all over again? Goddamn, thanks for telling me, I might have inadvertently had fun if you hadn't posted that. BRB gonna cancel my subscription.

...

Do people realize the film industry has had "subscription models" since the 1980's (certainly here in France with Canal Plus i.e. the satellite channel)? You pay a monthly fee & you get a whole bunch of movies & TV series chosen by the network for a far lower fee than if you bought them all individually on VHS, DVD or now Bluray. Then that particular network which you subscribed to (Canal Plus as an example here) would also have its "first party releases" in the form of their own productions which would be exclusive to that channel. Sound familiar? The game industry merely took time (4 decades...) to wake up & get with the program. It's not like Netflix or recent streaming services created subscription models, it's been a thing for decades now. It didn't put the movie industry out of business.

If you were on Era, you would have been banned. Lol

 

[yurinka]

I think that Game Pass and all previous similar game subscription services are only good for small indies that get paid enough upfront to put their game there, or for these games whose sales lifecycle ended after several months or years of discounts and price cuts. For the other people, specially those who put there an AAA game day one is a financial suicide.

 

[Sussoloc]

Because SonyGAF knows best
2013 - 2017 every pixel and every leaf on trees were counted and discussed. X appeared and suddenly it was least important thing on earth. If Sony announces the Game Pass tomorrow for PlayStation, it'll be the best thing that ever happened. Same if PS5 will be 0,001TF stronger than Series X.

 

[Max_Po]

Because SonyGAF knows best
2013 - 2017 every pixel and every leaf on trees were counted and discussed. X appeared and suddenly it was least important thing on earth. If Sony announces the Game Pass tomorrow for PlayStation, it'll be the best thing that ever happened. Same if PS5 will be 0,001TF stronger than Series X.

I think the stupidity of your response is also concrete evidence that you are not that bright.

No one is going to move over to a different platform mid gen. Secondly... every pixel or leaf... bro ps4 has been doing 1080p standard since 2013 .. pro is just more of a mid gen upgrade. The base PS4 still pumps out 1080p where as original XboxOne is fucking garbage... 680p 786p 888p and what ever non-sense it does.

It's not SONY gaf ... you are just a dumb ass for calling people fan boys who paid for better product from beginning.

I bought an XboxOne X day 1 and got Far Cry 5 and RDR2 on XboxOne X because I knew they were better on Xbox 1x.

Not everyone has time or resources to get everything.

Also lets be honest ...Phil S didn't spread your ass cheeks and tickle your anus and gave you Xbox one X as a gift. It's a year later product than the pro and still a react-ory move.

 

[Kagey K]

I think the stupidity of your response is also concrete evidence that you are not that bright.

No one is going to move over to a different platform mid gen. Secondly... every pixel or leaf... bro ps4 has been doin 1080p standard since 2013 .. pro is just more of a mid gen upgrade. The base ps4 still pumps out 1080p where as original xbox is fucking garbage... 680p 786p 888p and what ever non sense it does.

It's not SONY gaf ... you are just a dumb ass for calling people fan boys who paid for better product from beginning.

I bought an xbox 1x day 1 and got Farcry 5 and RDR2 on xbx1x because I knew they were better on xbox 1x.

Not everyone has time or resources to get everything.

Also lets be honest ...Phil S didn't spread your ass cheeks and tickle your anus and gave you xbox one x as a gift. It's a year later product than the pro and still a reactory move.

Oof.

If you were pretending to be unbiased you let it show there.

 

[Sussoloc]

Some feeble-minded insults.

You know i'm right. That's what makes you so sad and angry. More tears please. So sweet. Yummy.

 

[SublimeAnarky]

The industry has smart people that can figure out if something is worth supporting (short or long term) or not.

As a consumer I could care less.

Right now, many devs and microsoft seem to think its a great idea to make games available to me - a gaming hobbyist - at an incredibly low entry point. I will enjoy that offer as long as it lasts.

I'm having a ton of fun at a low price point, trying games I never would have, buying games I like at 20% discount. If/when it all goes away, I've already extracted more bang for buck from the program to care.

The industry will sort itself out. I can't be fussed to worry about whether a realm of entertainment that is massively larger than music and movies can 'sustain' itself. There is too much money in it for active participants to deliberately kill value for investors/shareholders.

TLDR: As a consumer, I dont care. Its great right now, in this moment - and concern trolling myself for 'sustainability' reasons will deny me a fantastic experience that I will not pass up.

 

[The Shift]

Also lets be honest ...Phil S didn't spread your ass cheeks and tickle your anus and gave you Xbox one X as a gift. It's a year later product than the pro and still a react-ory move.

Suck me dry and call me dusty - that's quite a take

 

[Max_Po]

Oof.

If you were pretending to be unbiased you let it show there.

no just being Real. Do you want pic of my consoles ?

MS has seriously undervalued their own IPs with GamePass. I hope Nintendo and SONY stay the fuck away from "GamePass" nonsense.

 

[meirl]

Love your tag btw, it's up there with FreedomGateCo.

If mods would be fair, 99% if all gaffers would have the same Tag but with Microsoft. Because people love to bitch about Microsoft here.

The people that complain about gamepass are the same people that complain about Netflix hurting the movie industry, or Spotify hurting music industry.
they all live in the past and they Will be obsolete soon

 

[Hendrick's]

It's the best thing to happen to gaming in awhile. Anyone who says it's bad for industry are just concern trolling.

 

[Handel]

The answer is simple : it's not bad for the industry, GAF is just full of Sony fanboys concern trolling.

 

[meirl]

no just being Real. Do you want pic of my consoles ?

MS has seriously undervalued their own IPs with GamePass. I hope Nintendo and SONY stay the fuck away from "GamePass" nonsense.

yes please. A video with your gamertag and a Magazine from today

 

[meirl]

The answer is simple : it's not bad for the industry, GAF is just full of Sony fanboys concern trolling.

if Sony would do the same, people here would praise it as THE best thing ever and a SYSTEM SELLER. Same like BC, which is SUDDENLY a system seller. Lol

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

If mods would be fair, 99% if all gaffers would have the same Tag but with Microsoft. Because people love to bitch about Microsoft here.

The people that complain about gamepass are the same people that complain about Netflix hurting the movie industry, or Spotify hurting music industry.
they all live in the past and they Will be obsolete soon

if Sony would do the same, people here would praise it as THE best thing ever and a SYSTEM SELLER. Same like BC, which is SUDDENLY a system seller. Lol

When your argument boils down to "this is what all my opponents would do hahaha I'm such a good mind-reader" then you don't have an argument.

A handful of Sony fans really rattled Microsoft fans. Who cares if some people dogged on b.c. years ago? Does that now mean anyone who buys a Sony platform at any point in the future must grovel for the sin of "enjoying" b.c. when "Microsoft did it first"? Does it mean that every conversation about b.c. must include at least one person chiming in with this headcanon about how "Microsoft did it first" and how "if Sony was doing it everyone would praise it"?

It clogs threads with non-discussion and drags things down.

At least during the days of list wars I could watch from the sidelines and go "oooh, that's a big list of [genre]" and "ohhh never heard of that game, I should check it out".

Now it's just empty posturing about business models.

 

[Hendrick's]

I hope Nintendo and SONY stay the fuck away from "GamePass" nonsense.

Good news.

Nintendo will never offer a great value and Sony will continue to offer the vastly inferior PSNow.

Enjoy!

 

[DanielsM]

It's the best thing to happen to gaming in awhile. Anyone who says it's bad for industry are just concern trolling.

In today's world it literally has nothing to do with gaming, its like saying redbox is the best thing happening in gaming in awhile.... its just a rental service. You are projecting, imo. As far as the "bad for the industry" people, I don't think those people are trolling although I don't agree with them one way or another.... its a big nothing burger.

My guess is Red Dead Redemption 2 sold more in about 10 minutes and generated more revenue than EA Access, PS Now, and Game Pass did in their whole existence.... its literally nothing to get excited for unless you have been living in a cave... its just a rental service.... its like get excited because Walmart now offers more physical games.... it really has very little to do with gaming. If EA Access which to me appears to be least loser of the bunch, PS Now and Game Pass were so great.... they would have many more subscribers.... one service has to be given away for free, or close to it.

Its the same reason you don't see 50 threads on Steam generated every day... it literally is just a distribution channel, although its related to gaming.... its just not directly about gaming generally speaking and not very exciting.

I would say the trolls are the fake excited people that act like any of these services are super duper the best thing to ever happen in gaming.... its very strange.

 

[Vawn]

Because SonyGAF knows best
2013 - 2017 every pixel and every leaf on trees were counted and discussed. X appeared and suddenly it was least important thing on earth. If Sony announces the Game Pass tomorrow for PlayStation, it'll be the best thing that ever happened. Same if PS5 will be 0,001TF stronger than Series X.

You do realize the reverse of everything you said is also true? Graphics didn't matter to MicroGAF in 2013, only truly "great" games like Ryse and Dead Rising 3.

The difference is most people switched to PS4 this gen, because they truly liked the games PlayStation was offering. Really, it was just the blind Xbox fans that will never switch consoles no matter how big of a difference in quality there is.

Most of us, including me, would switch (back) primarily to Xbox if/when they have the better library. The ones who won't are the blind fanboys just like the ones currently defending Xbox's horrible generation this round.

 

[DanielsM]

Most of us, including me, would switch (back) primarily to Xbox if/when they have the better library. The ones who won't are the blind fanboys just like the ones currently defending Xbox's horrible generation this round.

I probably wouldn't buy a Microsoft consumer device (I wouldn't say never as I've bought quite a few) but to me that shipped has sailed, and Microsoft is now outwardly telling people (if they listen) where this is all headed. I would probably buy Microsoft games if they come to my platform of choice, and if they ever make something I want to play. I'm open to them as a publishers/developer, not really open to them as a device manufacturer or middleman, I think basically people have to be quite dense at this point to invest in these MS eco-systems, generally speaking.

- Microsoft could have a future as a traditional publisher/developer and something like Game Pass could offer a small revenue stream like EA Access, PS Now, etc.
- Microsoft has no future as a digital distributor of PC games meaning competing with Steam
- Microsoft really has no future in closed console manufacturer

(a little off topic, my apologies)

I see nothing wrong with Game Pass (or EA Access, or PS Now, or Uplay+) they are just rental services, people should enjoy the service while it last in its current form, eventually the gravy train will come to an end... I see no real business model here to sustain AAA game development as the sole or majority revenue generator.

Game Pass in its current form will eventually have to be abandon i.e. it will have to drastically have to change to find a model that works, most probably new titles will have to be taken off the service.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

GamePass is like Redbox and has nothing to do with video games, or is like being excited because... Walmart sells more physical games? Fucking yikes the takes in this thread are adorable.

 

[HeresJohnny]

Because something for nothing never turns out to be true. It doesn't work in politics, it doesn't work in real life, and it won't work in gaming. There's always a price to be paid and the cost of Gamepass doesn't add up to the cost of AAA game development. Essentially it's like California's law where you can take anything in a store as long as its under a certain dollar amount, which begs the question: why buy anything? Why buy any games when you can start a Gamepass trial for a few bucks, play the shit out of them and cancel it with no investment beyond a dollar? This is good for the industry how, exactly? And don't try to tell me people won't do it, because you know they will.

It's a bad idea that disincentives game purchases at a time where the industry desperately needs sales to continue to make the content we've come to expect.

 

[Sussoloc]

You do realize the reverse of everything you said is also true? Graphics didn't matter to MicroGAF in 2013, only truly "great" games like Ryse and Dead Rising 3.

The difference is most people switched to PS4 this gen, because they truly liked the games PlayStation was offering. Really, it was just the blind Xbox fans that will never switch consoles no matter how big of a difference in quality there is.

Most of us, including me, would switch (back) primarily to Xbox if/when they have the better library. The ones who won't are the blind fanboys just like the ones currently defending Xbox's horrible generation this round.

Sure but since Sony sold much more consoles this gen there are also much more PS fanboys out there. I always stick to the strongest console, because i mostly play 3rd party games. If the PS5 will be stronger, i buy it. I laugh at people who are married to a brand. That's stupid.

 

[OneShotThrill]

Sure but since Sony sold much more consoles this gen there are also much more PS fanboys out there. I always stick to the strongest console, because i mostly play 3rd party games. If the PS5 will be stronger, i buy it. I laugh at people who are married to a brand. That's stupid.

Ps4 was the stronger console and had better performing multiplats at launch

 

[DanielsM]

Sure but since Sony sold much more consoles this gen there are also much more PS fanboys out there. I always stick to the strongest console, because i mostly play 3rd party games. If the PS5 will be stronger, i buy it. I laugh at people who are married to a brand. That's stupid.

Well, I think that is what is so strange about all these MS/Xbox threads and articles/interviews/ads, etc. is fake excitement. I mean there are all kinds of game developers, game publishers, game distributors, game development software makers, etc.... yet, you have all these fake excitement items that generally all go back to the same corporation. And usually all this fake excitement is about the same company over and over... than it gets even stranger when they talk about a product/service like that corporation is the first one to the market, when in fact there are already competitors that existed for 10+ years.

Nobody gets excited by EA Access, nobody gets excited by PS Now, nobody is getting excited by Uplay+, nobody gets all wet from Redbox... or Walmart has a new shipment of Zelda, etc.... all they are is distribution channels or rental services.

Everyone is just rolling their eyes at all this strange fake excitement about nothing, not to say there shouldn't be discussions on topics, but you don't see 40 threads a day on Steam and Steam is a hellava of lot better business than Microsoft has ever had in gaming.

Its like watching fake excitement car commercials.


"Guys, UPS delivered my copy of Gears of War in 5 hours.... WOWWWWW UPS is the greatest thing to happen in gaming in like forever!!!!!!"

 

[Sussoloc]

Ps4 was the stronger console and had better performing multiplats at launch

You don't say.

 

[Clear]

This shit's real simple:

What's a good deal for you, the consumer, may not in fact turn out to be such a good deal for the development and publishing side, especially in the long-term. This should be of concern though because in the end, all effects will trickle-down and impact the consumer experience.

GamePass is a good deal for the consumer now, but the plain reality is that if it becomes the default distribution type then expect a service-game future, riddled with microtransactions.

See this is the thing that everyone seems to overlook when drawing comparisons with Netflix: Netflix does not allow its content providers to bolster their income by integrating micro-transactions and ongoing payments into their product. Whereas for GamePass this sort of supplemental income stream serves the interests of both MS as service provider, and that of those supplying their content.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

Gamepass is good for both consumers and developers. End.

 

[OneShotThrill]

You don't say.

Most arent married to a brand. It was a better console launch. Its not a matter of being a fanboy. Its more of MS alienating their existing 360 base.

 

[Nikana]

And Netflix is more of a household name that can be used on way more devices.

I'm not seeing your point?

 

[joe_zazen]

This shit's real simple:

What's a good deal for you, the consumer, may not in fact turn out to be such a good deal for the development and publishing side, especially in the long-term. This should be of concern though because in the end, all effects will trickle-down and impact the consumer experience.

GamePass is a good deal for the consumer now, but the plain reality is that if it becomes the default distribution type then expect a service-game future, riddled with microtransactions.

See this is the thing that everyone seems to overlook when drawing comparisons with Netflix: Netflix does not allow its content providers to bolster their income by integrating micro-transactions and ongoing payments into their product. Whereas for GamePass this sort of supplemental income stream serves the interests of both MS as service provider, and that of those supplying their content.

totally agree that you cannot compare gaming with film and tv for the simple reason that gaming has addictive elements that shape irl behaviour. A better comparison is social media or old fashioned casinos; possibly booze and cigs as well.

 

[Hobbygaming]

It's the best thing to happen to gaming in awhile. Anyone who says it's bad for industry are just concern trolling.

It's not trolling, it's actual concern for the gaming industry

 

[Hobbygaming]

no just being Real. Do you want pic of my consoles ?

MS has seriously undervalued their own IPs with GamePass. I hope Nintendo and SONY stay the fuck away from "GamePass" nonsense.

This. I'm really hoping Sony doesn't put their games on PS Now the day they release because that would be a sign that things will take a turn for the worse