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Oh look another thread predicting doom n gloom for the Xbox. In other news, the sun came up today. Calm down. It's going to be fine.
So you think calling people poor is a smart move? Most of the gamers are casuals and i bet 80-90% will never read what Phil said. Only core gamers like us do. He could say "I hate you guys, don't buy an Xbox" and the impact would be manageable.
Why can't it be both? If people are missing something in their life, they might create it themselves and find out that other people also want it, so they start selling it. That's just creating a new business while helping the world going forward. The same with Microsoft now. They talked to gamers, thought about it and decided to create these services that are pro-consumer AND obviously profitable for them. That's just capitalism.I think it’s a wise business move. But that’s what it is. A business move. They aren’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts to help consumers or gamers. They’re doing it as they had to find a way to make more profits from their games and services than they could from the base willing to buy and Xbox One and knowing they were unlikely to sell a ton more consoles next gen unless Sony fucked up somehow.
A mandate could be as simple as requiring game to execute on Xbox family of consoles. Nothing more nothing less.But it has its limits. The app side, Microsoft can control that 100% with impugnity, because that's totally their domain, their storefront, their platform dashboard. In a new console generation for the kinds of games that can be made, and for what systems with an entirely different, much enhanced feature set, Microsoft can't force a third party studio to stretch their resources and budget that thin to the point where they need to support the much older, weaker systems.
They could issue a mandate that devs must support lockhart and Series X, but, again, that's quite different because Series X and lockhart will share so much in common with minor differences. Scaling down and up will be reletively easy. Same CPU, same SSD, same class of GPU architecture, just weaker, and presumably less RAM. This is why I'm not really concerned.
I would also like to add that you can support your older console without making first-party games cross-gen.
GT6 was released on the PS3 the same year the PS4 came out, for example.
God of War 2 was released for the PS2 right after the PS3 was released.
I wouldnt... doesnt seem like they have too much faith on it.I don't care,series X day one baby
I don't care,series X day one baby
Exactly. And if the PS3's launch year didn't have Resistance and other next-gen exclusives, but instead had only God of War 2: Upscaled Edition, who the hell would have bought into the spin that this is actually better because now everyone gets to play?I would also like to add that you can support your older console without making first-party games cross-gen.
GT6 was released on the PS3 the same year the PS4 came out, for example.
God of War 2 was released for the PS2 right after the PS3 was released.
.... we can render at 60hz
... 69bit uncompressed never seen pixels and fish have a.i
Oh look another thread predicting doom n gloom for the Xbox. In other news, the sun came up today. Calm down. It's going to be fine.
.... we can render at 60hz
... 69bit uncompressed never seen pixels and fish have a.i
Also what you just quoted was a combination of bullshit and twisted logic. Yes, the X can render 4k at 60fps. That’s a fact. And yes, it hits that, quite often. Uncompressed pixels is a term than essentially means no upscaling, like the Pros “4k” that it uses all the time.
At least Mattrick gave them some good games on 360, got them a few worthwhile and popular exclusives.....Phil has been belly dancing the entire gen....
New face, same story.
Well no such direction in the OP....You look at Phil's quotes and argue either way......It's an equal playing field......As can be seen, some people in the thread believe that Phil's vision here is actually genius, so not everybody disagrees,,,,Oh look another thread predicting doom n gloom for the Xbox. In other news, the sun came up today. Calm down. It's going to be fine.
I think giving him 2 years after the XSX launch would be generous imo. His empty promises won't survive a new console gen especially if it flops early. He's gonna fuck around and talk himself out of a job.
It's the new console, and thats enough,What others info i need?These are the kind of fans Xbox needs right now, not people who like to be informed and think about their decisions.
Fuck those guys, filthy free thinkers.
As for me, I think Phil lacks a vision, pretty much everything he does is reactionary and too much based in tricky PR.....Have a vision and hold it firm....You cant be talking you are about spreading games on all devices, that specific hardware is not important, every game should be played everywhere, when you are building a powerful series X and trying to 1up the competion in specs at the same time.....
Azure is a backend cloud storage and processing service, its completely transparent to the end users.IDK but they signed a deal with Azure for a reason.
Please stop just repeating the PR spin and the emotional manipulation, they changed strategy good... I suspect they just did not have games that took serious advantage of the new hardware so they spin it as "see we are nice", now get gamepass. This is as good as PR can be, so I'm not holding it against them... But their fans should know better.
Azure is a backend cloud storage and processing service, its completely transparent to the end users.
Try to play PC games with an old AMD CPU, or even a 4 cores i5, as soon as there is some serious action the frame rate tanks, there is stuttering, etc. They do scale, but if the core of the game is demanding, it won't really scale that low, even the base xbox can't handle games at a reasonable frame rate or resolution, no matter how low you go with the settings, it has many games that play mostly in the 20s... new games will play in the 10/5 fps range? or their scope will be severely limited so they play ok on the og xbone?Game engines are pretty damn scaleable these days. I’m not expecting any innovative gameplay leaps next gen anyway. Just more games pushing 60FPS at higher resolutions, ray tracing and other graphical bells and whistles and so on. All that stuff can easily be scaled down or not included in the last gen ports, much like older PCs can just play on lower settings and disable some things.
So why only 1 year of no Scarlet Exclusives? By your argument, Microsoft should maintain Xbox One compatibility indefinitely for the next twenty years. Hell, maybe just keep it six years.Game engines are pretty damn scaleable these days. I’m not expecting any innovative gameplay leaps next gen anyway. Just more games pushing 60FPS at higher resolutions, ray tracing and other graphical bells and whistles and so on. All that stuff can easily be scaled down or not included in the last gen ports, much like older PCs can just play on lower settings and disable some things.
I get why some are disappointed, but I don't really care about enemy AI advancements or big changes in gameplay. I mostly play simpler, story driven games, have no problems putting things on easy to enjoy it more etc. So I'm not looking for smarter enemies, crazy physics, tons of enemies or npcs on screen. As long as I keep getting more things like RDR2, God of War, Horizon, Mario Odyssey, Gears 4 and 5, Ori, Spider-Man, Pokemon and the various other games I've loved this generation I'm golden. I started seriously playing games with the NES and this gen has been one of my absolute favorites. I don't even care about how big the graphics leap is. I'm still on 1080p and if there's a lot of cross gen stuff I'll probably be slow to upgrade to a new console or upgrade my PC anyway.
It's just like for PC. There comes a time that minimum requirements increase, and that's not yet the case now. Because there are still games being released for which the minimum PC requirements are lower than the power of the Xbox One. So why exclude those gamers on a console if they can still play it on the PC? Don't forget that almost every first party game of Microsoft also releases on PC.So why only 1 year of no Scarlet Exclusives? By your argument, Microsoft should maintain Xbox One compatibility indefinitely for the next twenty years. Hell, maybe just keep it six years.
You haven't answered my question; why only one year? Why couldn't it actually last long enough to actually make a difference. Three years is the minimum for it to actually affect anything in a detectable way. One Year is a joke.It's just like for PC. There comes a time that minimum requirements increase, and that's not yet the case now. Because there are still games being released for which the minimum PC requirements are lower than the power of the Xbox One. So why exclude those gamers on a console if they can still play it on the PC? Don't forget that almost every first party game of Microsoft also releases on PC.
It's just like for PC. There comes a time that minimum requirements increase, and that's not yet the case now. Because there are still games being released for which the minimum PC requirements are lower than the power of the Xbox One. So why exclude those gamers on a console if they can still play it on the PC? Don't forget that almost every first party game of Microsoft also releases on PC.
That's not a hard set time frame. He said 1-2 years, because he doesn't know exactly. He's making an estimate.You haven't answered my question; why only one year? Why couldn't it actually last long enough to actually make a difference. Three years is the minimum for it to actually affect anything in a detectable way. One Year is a joke.
Just look at minimum pc requirements of AAA games being sold in 2019. Why would this be so different in 2020, and even 2021 if Microsoft lets a separate team port the game towards Xbox One S?Yeh, those games are typically indie games.
It’s a really refreshing idea I’ve always wanted to play the latest games on my AtariHe did so by hearkening back to a speech at the Xbox Spring Showcase in 2016, which is when Microsoft decided to commit to releasing all Xbox games on Windows 10 PC, too. That was the start of a new player-centric, instead of device-centric, vision.
Later in the chat, Spencer also discussed his own seemingly anti-VR statement when he said there was no demand for it among Xbox fans.
https://wccftech.com/spencer-on-why...usives-were-putting-the-player-at-the-center/
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Here it is folks, Phil Spencer on no exclusives and no VR...…...
New narrative: As the xbox has no exclusives, exclusives are anti-consumer
I’m now quite convinced they wouldn’t bother if Sony wasn’t ready to go. It’s just an inconvenient necessity to keep up in the arms race and goes against MS’s grand plan of pure services.Xbox : Here's a big powerful box with some amazing games
Xbox 360 : Here's a powerful box with amazing games, all games should be multiplayer
Xbox One: Tv Tv Tv
Xbox Series X: ???
I don't understand the message of XSX. Until Microsoft make a clear statement and standby it, I won't be buying day one. Hell, I don't need to buy day one, I'll just keep playing on the X.
But why launch a new console at all? Why not delay it a year, release it more powerful than the PS5 at a cheaper price and cut their legs off?
Why, Why, why?
They always have been. Always will be.New narrative: As the xbox has no exclusives, exclusives are anti-consumer
At first Sony was planning on releasing a console holiday 2019. So Microsoft would've done just that what you said. Then Sony changed strategies, and you can't keep extending the date of your console launch since there's a lot of time and money that is poured into this. Also the message of XSX is exactly the same as the one of the Xbox, Xbox 360 and the Xbox One X. Powerful box, amazing games, best quality for consoles.Xbox : Here's a big powerful box with some amazing games
Xbox 360 : Here's a powerful box with amazing games, all games should be multiplayer
Xbox One: Tv Tv Tv
Xbox Series X: ???
I don't understand the message of XSX. Until Microsoft make a clear statement and standby it, I won't be buying day one. Hell, I don't need to buy day one, I'll just keep playing on the X.
But why launch a new console at all? Why not delay it a year, release it more powerful than the PS5 at a cheaper price and cut their legs off?
Why, Why, why?
I’m now quite convinced they wouldn’t bother if Sony wasn’t ready to go. It’s just a an inconvenient necessity to keep up in the arms race and goes against MS’s grand plan of pure services.
Alternatively it would be just the current gen extended indefinitely until streaming is out of the oven.
Calling no xbox one exclusive "spin" is literally retarded. Its not spin when its a decision. If they were interested in changing it they could.
The term "spin" - particular bias, interpretation, or point of view, intended to create a favorable (or sometimes, unfavorable) impression when presented to the public.
You may feel its a bad decision but its not spin lol
So why only 1 year of no Scarlet Exclusives? By your argument, Microsoft should maintain Xbox One compatibility indefinitely for the next twenty years. Hell, maybe just keep it six years.
this exactly lol. if anything half the people on this thread are putting a weird spin on it lolol All phil is trying to say is that games will be available for xbone and xsx so that people who bought an xbone today won't be shafted on new games coming out for at least a year or two. He's not mandating 3rd parties follow suite and it's only for xbox studios. so even though i'm buying an xsx i can still play halo infinite with my friends who are sticking with their xbone for another year. this is a win to me.