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Microsoft confirms 12 TF RDNA 2 for the Xbox Series X

Mattyp

Gold Member
100+ via a rental service? Uh no
Most gamers would choose a new Halo as a pack in over a rental service and it wouldn't be close.

1 Game you'll get over in 12 months.

Or enjoy that one game plus 200+ other games for 12 months. And pick up Halo physical for 10 bucks by that stage.

No it isn't close at all that choice of what people would want bundled.
 
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Leonidas

Member
Yeah Game Pass is insanely good value, gives me a reason to keep using the X.

Game Pass Ultimate is even better since there are so many PC games included with that too.
 
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sinnergy

Member
I thought Phil already said there will only be one console 'at launch'?
Not sure he said that, he said at E3 2019, We are concentrating right now on Series X. That was one year ago. Make of it what you like, in a year things change.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Could you go into more detail on why you think that?, i'm honestly interested. I havent seen a bad word said against Gamepass, by the people that actually have it, which is millions.
No I am not getting into how anti consumer a rental service can be.

Millions?Actual numbers are easily exaggerated by MS as many used free trials and $1 for 3 months.
I bet IF Halo Inf ends up good...it will sell more than GP has for actual subscribers.
 

Hobbygaming

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No way Sony has similar hardware. I’d imagine they are trying to tweak things up right now to atleast 10TF. Being 25% down on power at launch won’t be a good look.
I doubt it's 25% but even then, that would be an even smaller difference than the PS4 and Xbox One
 

PocoJoe

Banned
$599 is too expensive for your average gamer. Then you factor in a couple games at launch or even 1 game. Just look at sales of the Pro or X at launch. If price wasn’t a factor Sony wouldn’t be waiting on MS to put out the price for Series X.

Average human is stupid, and then there are less than average ones.

It is just annoying how masses are willing to spend money for shit like nightclubs, alcohol, drugs, iphones, brand clothing, restaurants, and stuff like that, but console would be too expensive if it costs 1/3 of an iphone? And people buy phones way more often than consoles. Even I buy new every 3-4 years and they usually cost 400-600e

It's like masses throw their money to fire like maniacs but when they see consoles, they became childish bastards whom want to limit the fun from others because they need that extra 100$ to buy beer or eat out because they are fat and lazy.

IF extra 100€/$ would give lets say 20-30% more performance, of course it would be worth it in the long run.

How can they be gamers anyway if 100 is make it or break it situation? After all way too many pay full price for digital games and launch games, so money cant be the issue. It must be just shitty attitude and lack of logic.

"I wont pay more than 300 for a console, but I pre-order every damn yearly sports game as 99€ deluxe edition"

Just buy the more expensive system and wait few games to drop from 70e to 20e = money spent is equal vs buying cheaper system with 2 full price games.

I have spend maybe 2000e into ps4 from the launch, mostly used / sale games so console price isnt the biggest investiment for serious gamers anyway

I know that market will follow what average bastards want, and it is sad as average bastards are those that slow down the evolution of tech because they spend their money in shit and then cry that they have no money for a console.
 
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Stuart360

Member
Not sure he said that, he said at E3 2019, We are concentrating right now on Series X. That was one year ago. Make of it what you like, in a year things change.
I swear he said it in an interview, not long ago as well. Plus if they were launching together, its a bit weird that we know nothing about it officially.
 

ZywyPL

Banned
I honestly expect nothing less than 549$ with those kind of specs, bare in mind MS never backed out from Scarlet being "families of devices", so Lockhart (or possibly even more models) is still in play, so XBX might be there for A) the more hardcore audience and B) a great marketing tool as (potentially) being the most powerful console of the upcoming generation, while the cheaper and less powerful model would be the one that actually pushes the userbase numbers/software sales.

Nevertheless, IMO MS will hardly push All Access with this one, but not a temporary promotion every now and then like with XB1, but a permanent option just like XBL. GP etc. so people can get it the exact same way they change their smartphones every year or two, and future consoles as well.

I don't know how the American market works/looks like, but judging on all the comments on the internet whenever a consumer electronics prices are mentioned, I assume people there prefer to spend hard cash and don't even want to hear about any other options? But here in Europe it's common, basically a daily practice to buy electronics on installments, because really, lets assume XBX is even 699€, on the course of 36 months that's about 19€/month, that's fucking nothing, and the console will last more than double of that time. And even if a mid-gen refresh model appears after 3-4 years, you already paid for the launch console, you can start paying for the new model for again laughable amount and sell the old one to get some extra cash.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Average human is stupid, and then there are less than average ones.

It is just annoying how masses are willing to spend money for shit like nightclubs, alcohol, drugs, iphones, brand clothing, restaurants, and stuff like that, but console would be too expensive if it costs 1/3 of an iphone? And people buy phones way more often than consoles. Even I buy new every 3-4 years and they usually cost 400-600e

It's like masses throw their money to fire like maniacs but when they see consoles, they became childish bastards whom want to limit the fun from others because they need that extra 100$ to buy beer or eat out because they are fat and lazy.

IF extra 100€/$ would give lets say 20-30% more performance, of course it would be worth it in the long run.

How can they be gamers anyway if 100 is make it or break it situation? After all way too many pay full price for digital games and launch games, so money cant be the issue. It must be just shitty attitude and lack of logic.

"I wont pay more than 300 for a console, but I pre-order every damn yearly sports game with deluxe edition"

Just buy the more expensive system and wait few games to drop from 70e to 20e = money spent is equal vs buying cheaper system with 2 full price games.

I know that market will follow what average bastards want, and it is sad as average bastards are those that slow down the evolution of tech because they spend their money in shit and then cry that they have no money for a console.
I agree


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Leonidas

Member
I wildly guess the following prices.

Series X: $699
Series S/Lockhart: $399

Like current gen the entry (eg. cheap, low res) system will get the majority of the sales since that's the type of machine the majority of console buyers buy.
 
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Sussoloc

Member
Well you're releasing 2 products at the same time, but only talking about 1 of them. It seems weird to me, unless Lockhart was coming later down the road.
If a Lockhart exists it's not weird, it's clever. They will wait for PS5 and it's price before they announce it. I think they are trying to lure and put Sony under pressure with the info yesterday. People are getting impatient and Microsoft knows it.
 
The delusion. The only time xbox and its fanbase thrives is before its time to deliver.
Hope you keep the same energy tho and dont backtrack into "sales dont matter" like xbox fanboys somehow always fall back to.

Sales seem to matter to you. So go support Dreams rather than lurking in an Xbox thread. Heard 1500 people bought it the opening week, they need your support. Bye.
 

HolyTruth

Banned
Sales seem to matter to you. So go support Dreams rather than lurking in an Xbox thread. Heard 1500 people bought it the opening week, they need your support. Bye.

To be fair, it was less than 1500 in Japan. But this doesn’t really matter here though.
Let’s focus on the beast of a machine called Xbox series X
 

Sussoloc

Member
The delusion. The only time xbox and its fanbase thrives is before its time to deliver.
Hope you keep the same energy tho and dont backtrack into "sales dont matter" like xbox fanboys somehow always fall back to.
Hardware Sales figures don't matter. It's not even comparable with Game Pass and xCloud. Sony will sell more consoles, no question. But i'm not sure if they also make more money with gaming in the future.
 

Shin

Banned
They've done an excellent job
They have since X IMO, which is why I'll reward them by jumping in.
As it stands one is winning my confidence while the other is losing it, unrelated to current silence and more related to those running said departments.
At the end of the day I just game and that's it, I leave the rest to everyone else to fight for, Xbox does need to get Japanese games and not keep getting shafted by Japanese dev's.
Especially since they don't have a censorship of sort going on which is running wild on PS's platform, hopefully more people double dip or switch and those games start becoming viable on Xbox.
 

darkinstinct

...lacks reading comprehension.
I smell a new 360 arcade (also known back in the day as the " 'tard pack") on the horizon.
At this point I'd rather see them launch XSX at 399 than do a 299 SKU and a 499 SKU. The Arcade or Core (that is its original name) sold a third of the consoles early on. Which helped outperform Sony with the late PS3, but it didn't have a huge impact overall.
 

Shin

Banned
never backed out from Scarlet being "families of devices",
I don't think they can, R&D went into that, Xbox division will need to justify their spending on such a machine.
You're not going to get away with 250-450m or whatever it is by throwing it out of the window.
If anything Xbox division learned a lot from this generation, if they didn't it would have been a problem - it all ends well.
As long as they keep building block by block something interesting might happen in the future.
 
How are you a gold member and manage to write a post such as this? What's the prerequisite to become a gold member anyway? Wow.

I managed it by embarrassing myself, because I forgot the L in cool, the punctuation to end the sentence after the word cool, and I did not capitalize the letter "I". Also I sucked a lot of dick I mean $4.99 a month.
 

Shin

Banned
If Lockhart doesn't launch at the same time, XSX will price match PS5, no doubt about that.
Don't remember where I read it or who said it, but Lockhart will come in 2021 IIRC.
If it's part of their pricing and how they'll keep XS price in check ($499) then it surely makes sense.
 

GreatnessRD

Member
Very impressed thus far with Microsoft's offering. I hope they can follow up this horsepower with games. Major 1st party games outside of their normal Halo's, Gears and Forza offerings. Ball is now in Sony's court to show us what they're workin' with. Hope it stacks up to what we've seen from Microsoft. Next-Gen looks like its about to be a fun reveal for both parties! That's great for the gamers.
 

ZywyPL

Banned
It is just annoying how masses are willing to spend money for shit like nightclubs, alcohol, drugs, iphones, brand clothing, restaurants, and stuff like that, but console would be too expensive if it costs 1/3 of an iphone? And people buy phones way more often than consoles. Even I buy new every 3-4 years and they usually cost 400-600e

Your arguments, while indeed true, are at the same time invalid - yes, people spend shitloads of money on things they use/spend time with almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, and consoles simply don't fall under that category, they're just an unnecessary enjoyment that costs way too much compared to what it offers and how often they are being used by the average consumer. And games being 60-80$ don't help either, especially given their unfinished, buggy state at their release.

Now take the smartphones as an example, because I see them being brought to the table so often here - people spend almost whole 24h with them - they get up, and the very first thing they do is reach the phone, they go to work or school - they use the phone, they're at work/school - they use their phone, they get back from work/school - you guessed it, they still use their phone. And they keep using it throughout the rest day, up until they are lying in bed and still browsing that phone before they go to sleep, people literally wake up and go to sleep with a phone next to them, so it's absolutely understandable they are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on them. But despite that there are still A LOT of people who opt for 150-250$ models, sure the 600+ is what all the press releases and media coverage is all about, but just as with console, many people don't want to spend that much on the phones either.

And that's why I believe the MS rumored two SKU strategy is so good - the average Joe's could get their inexpensive gaming console for their CoD, GTA, Fifa etc., while people like you and me who are willing to spend extra on beefier hardware could also get what they want, as oppose to previous gen with no choice but underperforming 399 boxes.


I don't think they can, R&D went into that, Xbox division will need to justify their spending on such a machine.
You're not going to get away with 250-450m or whatever it is by throwing it out of the window.
If anything Xbox division learned a lot from this generation, if they didn't it would have been a problem - it all ends well.
As long as they keep building block by block something interesting might happen in the future.

I don't think Lockhart is/was really that expensive to develop, it's a parallel development, basically the exact same hardware (Scarlet) with just a lowered specs, think of it as a game on Ultra settings and the same game on Medium - sure, some time and work had to be put to make the appropriate assets, testing, benchmarking etc., but it's nowhere near as huge effort as making a completely new title or entire game engine. I can even imagine Lockhart costing literally 0$ to develop, as it could as well be the very XBX with just an BIOS/driver update that locks the maximum amount of addressable RAM, lowers the clock speeds, number of active GPU cores, and so on, so with basically just a patch they could've checked whether it could work or not.

But I honestly believe that when MS announces XBX price, let's say at the end of the E3 briefing, and it will be big number, Spencer will say something like "but fear not, we hear you, we have everything for everyone, please welcome the new member of Xbox family, the Xbox Series S, available this holiday season for just 399".
 
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darkinstinct

...lacks reading comprehension.
Could be hard if it only has 9TF. Huge losses for Microsoft if they have to match let's say 399.

No. The Xbox One APU was $10 more expensive than the PS4 APU, despite being 30 % less powerful. Console design is all about making smart decisions. A 9 TF APU is not necessarily cheaper than a 12 TF APU, especially when we are talking about 7NM RDNA vs N7+ RDNA2. If Sony has a faster (and more expensive) SSD, a slower APU and everything else is the same (UHD, RAM, controller, ...) - they can end up at the same bill of materials.
 

Shmunter

Member
I have an nvme2 m.2 ssd. Does that info count for anything ?
Should be covered I think. Some more knowledgeable may have better insight into the bandwidth on upcoming consoles vs your setup. And whether any difference is even meaningful in real world results.
 
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