Dory16
Banned
It’s a simulation. It has to be reflect real driving situations. Play arcade games if you tho k it’s unnecessary instead of being worried about a simulation setting the realism bar the highest it’s ever been.
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Forza Motorsport 8 details by Creative Director Chris Esaki
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Inviusx
Member
It's just buzzwords to make their game sound more impressive. The majority of players sit on a couch in chase cam with an Xbox controller.
When the countdown ends and 24 cars are bombing into turn 1, the absolute last thing any of those players are thinking about is how the atmospheric pressure is going to affect their tyres.
In fact if Forza's history is anything to go by, all those players are thinking about is how best to ram the player in front of them to get around that turn easier.
GHG
Gold Member
If anything the game needs more of a focus on simulation if anything. They get a lot right but it's missing in a few areas to really take it on to the next level. The aero simulation especially needs work.
I'm laughing because unfortunately this is true.
The percentage of Forza players who care about stuff like tire pressures is miniscule unfortunately. I honestly think they need to do a better job of educating players about the simulation side of things and why it matters. How they go about doing that now considering the community is what it is I have no idea.
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JustP_Gaming
Banned
Wait til you see what they have done with it before you pass judgment. You are in for a shocker.
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Dory16
Banned
Well, speak for yourself. What you’re advocating for is for Turn 10 to make yet another arcade raving game because in your opinion that’s all what gamers think about. You don’t know that. May be Forza is the top rated driving game precisely because it provides more than other racers.
Inviusx
Member
What I'm saying is that you can make a racing simulation without needing to go deep on how atmospheric pressure affects your car. To an average consumer it sounds like it will be some sort of top tier real life simulation of what it's like to race in real life when in reality it's a bunch of dudes slamming VW campervans into Warthogs and punting every living soul within 5 car lengths into the shadow realm.
They need to focus on how to improve the overall racing experience, not how a degree of temperature difference will make my grip .05% less effective.
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urmie
Member
What if that means real-time weather and time of day? I'd like that, so would many others. Bring it on.
transformer
Member
Never once in the franchise history of Forza Motorsport did a sequel come out one year later. Why do you think they will start doing so with the ninth installment?
Senua
Gold Member
diffusionx
Gold Member
I know right, buying Forza 1 in 2004 was a mistake when Forza 8 is due out at the end of this year.
I miss Sega circuits from VirtuaRacing or Daytona etc...those tracks without real world limitations are such better gaming expereinces.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
they are not even doing two-yearly anymore.
BusierDonkey
Member
Giving players options to enable assists was a double-edged sword for the series. On one hand more people can play and remain somewhat competitive, on the other hand I just got sent into the upper atmosphere at the end of the back straight at Le Mans. Turn10 did start work on race regulations at the tail end of Forza 7's updates which was a good start to working towards making the game less of a clusterfuck on turn 1. They focused on things like track cutting penalties, ramming and various other regulations. They were going to continue updating Forza 7 and improve the new system, but in the end shifted focus to the next game.
There's no reason with the added time T10 shouldn't be able to tackle both the simulation aspects of the game and the gameplay elements that compliment technology driving the game. We'll see though. I suspect the game will be a launch title and will be whether it's finished and polished or not and suffer the same fate as Forza Motorsport 5.
That's awful logic. why buy anything at all if something better might come out?
Each Forza Motorsport title has historically been a biennial title. That changed last year since Forza 8 would have come out last October on the previous schedule.
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VectorVictor
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Yet you have people slagging on the Forza series for supposedly not being realistic enough and touting Gran Turismo as an example of realism to shoot for. Folks (especially the fanboys) can't have it both ways.
Forza is going to serve the more hardcore community and their masters, not the casual folks that won't understand why this is a big deal. I mean, FFS, I'm pretty much a casual fan, and I understand what the hell they're doing and why.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
This has been 3 years in the making. Everything should be fixed and tweaked
SliChillax
Member
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It's no where near the polygon count of the in game car in FM7. The engine bay and interior are nowhere at that level.
BusierDonkey
Member
I hope it is. I spend a lot of time with the games and just want them to deliver the best game they can make.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
without a doubt, 3 years should be well long enough for that
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Forza 5, 6, and 7 were all inferior to the 360 entries. So I doubt that. MS needs to show that they actually care about the franchise's core release after the shit show that was the last gen. The only saving grace of the Forza Franchise was the Horizon spinoff series which has seen remarkable improvements with every release. Forza has been my go-to racer since its first release. Disappointing to see where it has ended up.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
I meant the Forzavista models not the actual in game model, and the interior model in my screens actualy use tesselation because they showed different types of autovista (Forza Motorsport 4 type, Forza Motorsport 4 type with ray tracing and the one with everything turned on with full poly car model with tesselation and shaders that where not possible at the time. you can see it on the models missing or not featured parts. But for the engine i think you are right, it is a more detailed version. I think they already have those type of models but reduce some detail so they can put it in the game without crashing the xbox lol.
And here you see the actual model used in game right now with ray tracing
Senua
Gold Member
The redline changed in between models tooI meant the Forzavista models not the actual in game model, and the interior model in my screens actualy use tesselation because they showed different types of autovista (Forza Motorsport 4 type, Forza Motorsport 4 type with ray tracing and the one with everything turned on with full poly car model with tesselation and shaders that where not possible at the time. you can see it on the models missing or not featured parts. But for the engine i think you are right, it is a more detailed version. I think they already have those type of models but reduce some detail so they can put it in the game without crashing the xbox lol.
And here you see the actual model used in game right now with ray tracing
JLB
Banned
what? Forza 7 inferior to 360 entries? How? Have you played them?
Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
Forgive him, he posts on GAF. Where Forza experts routinely post how disappointing and non-sim the games are based on a demo or three minutes with a demo at a trade show.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Weird how F7 never made it to GP.
JLB
Banned
nah, only when they say bs
GaviotaGrande
Banned
I really hope that FM8 is not another FM5 situation (new generation = less features, cars, tracks). If that's the case, I will be skipping.
transformer
Member
This will definitely not be an issue. This generation Turn 10 laser scanned tracks, obtained high resolution imagery of tracks, and produced very detailed car models (Forza vista). This is one reason Forza 7 is so amazing on Xbox one x (graphically speaking) compared to Xbox one without much effort. The higher LOD models, textures, etc. are there. These assets are ready to go for next gen.
LostDonkey
Member
Today is the day.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
why buy an iPhone or Samsung this year there will be a new one next year
phil_t98
#SonyToo
For?
Mistershine.
Banned
The Teddy bears have their picnic...
ZywyPL
Banned
For another delay ;D
For real, is that AMD event an online presentation or an actual live event? How come it's not cancelled??
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Good to know. I was happy with the models / track geometry in FM7 on my PC (and on XBOX One X where I played it originally).
The only area where FM is lacking is in lighting department. I feel like this has always been the case. Let's hope they can improve on this aspect and bring some ray tracing goodness to the table.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
And the stands full of 6 diferent types of cardboard 2d people repeating the same 6 types of people over and over again? Will they have stil an empty pitstreet with tires swapped by invisible people??
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LostDonkey
Member
AMD financial day. It's been heavily rumoured that Forza 8 gameplay will be shown today.
Could be nothing. I live in hope.
skneogaf
Member
I was never bothered about the 2d people and flat trees on the original xbox one as that console should never have been released due to being pathetically underpowered. I was unhappy with the pc version of the games though as no excuses there.
Now that we have a console with a good cpu then I'll be making sure things like that are on point before buying.
I think turn 10 concentrate on the amount of cars instead of the quality, just like gran turismo used to.
I always reduce cars on track or do hot lapping which I think the majority do too.
Now that we have a console with a good cpu then I'll be making sure things like that are on point before buying.
I think turn 10 concentrate on the amount of cars instead of the quality, just like gran turismo used to.
I always reduce cars on track or do hot lapping which I think the majority do too.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
LemmingWithaParachute
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Got a mate that sold his HSV wagon to buy another specific HSV wagon limited run and some custom work before the collapse. He never drives it and it's going to be worth a fortune in a number of years.
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93xfan
Banned
it’s every 2 years
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Not anymore. Now, its 3 years.
93xfan
Banned
Officially, or just for Forza 8?
CuteFaceJay
Member
We have a product for you, it's called Forza Horizon.
LOL Don Matrix, I fucking love Forza Horizon, I hope they have some kind of major DLC for it once the new console is released.
IAmLegendary
Banned
We re already at Forza Motorsport 8 ? this series need a break
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Forza Horizon is also doing the 3 year thing. Would be weird for the next titles to be 2 years again.