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[sinnergy]

Hahaha.

Oh ya. The past week was a laugh. Suddenly gamers turned into business strategy experts.

MS has to shoot their bullets first, because you cant show a weak SeX after because it would be pointless

Sony knows what they are doing! Let MS go first and then blow them out of the water. MS is desperate, so they will show their weaker system first.

Why show a killer PS5? Sony wants to sell PS4 games and don't want gamers getting influenced by PS5 which will be the most powerful. Sony can wait it out.

lol

And the reason why they waited so long is because THEY had the weaker system and had go dark as long as possible, boosted by influxes of 12-13tf supporters which bought them time for a year.

Yup and I bet Sony saw Github leak and MS numbers and was like wtf in may 2019 and scrambled to overclock.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Reminds me of this:


Man, this is hilarious. It’s like EXACT switched roles from the start of current gen. Haha can’t believe it.

Wow this guy and Cerny both look like frauds.

LOL.

2013
Xbox One will be just as good due to a bonus 32mb of super fast ESram. PS4 has none

2020
PS5 will be just as good due to an SSD that is 5.5 gb/s. SeX is only at 2.4 gb/s

 

[Deeper Underground]

How dare you accuse anyone of being a fanboy or attacking people because they don't like what was said. You really need to take a look in the mirror.

You've been here 2 whole weeks and already you are one of the most aggressive console warring fanboys on GAF.

Lol This is the funniest thing I’ve read all day. Ignored.

 

[MadchesterManc]

Amusing thread. I don't understand why Xbox fanboys are so insecure lately. 12 is a bigger number than 10, there's nothing to worry about

 

[Lionel Richie]

So it’s ok to attack people like a pedantic child because he’s saying things you don’t like? Your post is like a microcosm of every petty attack from an Xbox fanboy over the last few days. I really wish we could sticky this so people know how NOT to post.

I wonder how this forum would be acting if Jason was on the other side and talking about XSX. I’m sure we wouldn’t have nearly the amount of bitching and whining from the usual suspects as we do now.

Jason Schreier threw this place under the bus in the days leading up to Resetera. He's an unprofessional piece of garbage, a cuck and I feel absolutely no sympathy for him or for people like you who feel offended by this for whatever moronic reason. For the rest of us sane people who know how corrupt the games press is and how much Schreier symbolizes that, this is celebration time.

 

[JLMC469]

don't understand why Xbox fanboys are so insecure lately.

Looks at the multiple threads trying to explain/defend what Cerny said...

 

[Handy Fake]

Looks at the multiple threads trying to explain/defend what Cerny said...

Considering many thought that a faster SSD only equalled a couple of seconds less loading time, I think it was warranted...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Jason Schreier threw this place under the bus in the days leading up to Resetera. He's an unprofessional piece of garbage, a cuck and I feel absolutely no sympathy for him or for people like you who feel offended by this for whatever moronic reason. For the rest of us sane people who know how corrupt the games press is and how much Schreier symbolizes that, this is celebration time.

LOL.

Funny how he hinted at PS5's weaker power that morning with his tweet.

I'm sure he knew all year, but didn't say anything. I thought he was a big investigative reporter who posts important info for gamers?

Guy kept his mouth shut the whole time, until a vague tweet 2 hours before Cerny's presentation.

 

[pr0cs]

I thought he was a big investigative reporter who posts important info for gamers?

Nah only if it deals with socialism (dev unions) or leftist agendas (sjw, preferred pronouns, etc) his actual gaming journalism acumen is non existent

 

[lynux3]

Its not what I took , its what he said, while he is correct that at the same compute performance a higher clock rate is better, higher overall compute is still better at similar clocks.
He was talking this because the xsx has more tflops, he was essentially trying to convince people that a fee extra tflops is not that important, its disingenuous.

If the PS5 was 12.9tflops I can assure his speech would if gone somewhat different.

We will see this in digital foundry's anyway.

It's not important compared to what? I didn't see him comparing PS5 to XSX. Like I said, you only took what I suspected you taking from his presentation... X vs. Y instead of listening to his reasoning around his design philosophy.

 

[Sosokrates]

Sony innovates in all of its industries and works with the people who work in the industries to make the products better for their specific uses, so I have no doubt the devs saying PS5 is truly groundbreaking for the games industry aren't blowing smoke. I like going back to my favourite games from the last 10 years when I get a new GPU to see how they look at higher framerates or resolutions and its great but I also want to see new stuff that I've not seen before like invisible LOD scaling and crazily varied procedural generation of large scale environments.

I think many have said this already but my feeling is the PS5 seems to prioritising new experiences while XSX is refining old ones. If Halo Infinite runs at native 4K@60hz on XSX with RT and other new rendering methods, fantastic! I'll play it! [On my PC most likely though], but if PS5 has an exclusive with the stuff I listed above but it runs at 1080p@30hz I'll be more excited to play the PS5 game.

For me, if games give you a sense of something new then the rest of the "problems" fall to the wayside. Gravity Rush 2 comes to mind where its got so many problems and it many ways the graphics are outdated but I loved that game so much because it felt like something new to me. Same with Just Cause 3 [4 to a lesser extent, mostly because 3 exists though], the wingsuiting is better than the movement in most other open world games that exist so I put up with its "difficiencies".

Stories like this are why I believe in Sony () :

I think cerny and the hardware team came up with smart and innovative solutions to silicon that was aimed for 2019.
I really believe that they wanted to release the PS5 in 2019 with a more traditional approach (locked clocks), but with Microsoft making great strides on BC and rumours of the xsxs power, they decided they need to change some things and the cooling system, higher clocks and ssd are a result of these changes, so while the end result is good, I dont think cerny had very high clocks and ssd being the main focus at the start of the PS5s design.

 

[Deeper Underground]

Jason Schreier threw this place under the bus in the days leading up to Resetera. He's an unprofessional piece of garbage, a cuck and I feel absolutely no sympathy for him or for people like you who feel offended by this for whatever moronic reason. For the rest of us sane people who know how corrupt the games press is and how much Schreier symbolizes that, this is celebration time.

Holy shit. Celebration time? Is this a real post? You are truly delusional.

 

[Stuart360]

Secret Sauce confirmed!!!

 

[BattleScar]

Wow this guy and Cerny both look like frauds.

Yes, the PS5 is slower than the XSX, but calling Cerny a fraud after he successfully delivered the second most successful home console of all time, is somewhat of an exaggeration. And its not like he's some rando who showed up at Sony just for the PS4. The guy has a pretty exceptional development track record behind him too.

The number of hot takes. Christ.

 

[CatLady]

LOL.

Funny how he hinted at PS5's weaker power that morning with his tweet.

I'm sure he knew all year, but didn't say anything. I thought he was a big investigative reporter who posts important info for gamers?

Guy kept his mouth shut the whole time, until a vague tweet 2 hours before Cerny's presentation.

Is there anyone here that he hasn't blocked that can post that tweet? Like all the people that have called that fraud out on his shit, he blocked me ages ago.

 

[JLMC469]

Gotta say, you know you're messaging is shit when it creates more questions/confusion than answers. If this were a movie it would be Prometheus .

Not quite XBOX One levels though.

 

[THE DUCK]

Its pretty clear now that the Sony machine definately weaker, there's zero reason for them not to release every detail now and sway the tide back in thier favor if they had the true ammunition, it's common sense really. If you had a better machine, would you say nothing right now while thousands of gamers are being told your launching a weaker machine? Of course not.

 

[Stuart360]

Just like his tweet from right after the reveal where he was talking about 'yeah thats what i keep hearing from loads of devs', when responding to a fanboy talking about the 'SSD being a gamechanger', and then a day later it turned out he had heard that from 3 devs, all Sony Studio devs.
Gaming press can be fanboys too, who knew!.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Secret Sauce confirmed!!!

Secret Sauce, you say?

 

[Vasto]

My question is in what ways is the PS5 far superior?

 

[GHG]

Considering many thought that a faster SSD only equalled a couple of seconds less loading time, I think it was warranted...

At the end of the day let people think what they want to think. That also goes for the idiots trying to downplay the Series X strengths as well.

The proof will be in the pudding.

My question is in what ways is the PS5 far superior?

A glance at the spec sheet will tell you if you understand how numbers work.

 

[Vasto]

At the end of the day let people think what they want to think. That also goes for the idiots trying to downplay the Series X strengths as well.

The proof will be in the pudding.



A glance at the spec sheet will tell you if you understand how numbers work.

I have seen the plenty of specs sheets and all of them show the Series X better in every single way other than SSD. Even then it looks like Microsoft has some innovative tech behind the way their SSD will comunicate with the ram and cpu so they might actually end up with a better solution.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

My question is in what ways is the PS5 far superior?

PS5 has the storage bandwidth advantage and, depending on who you ask, RAM speed advantage (16 gigs locked speed, XsX has split pools)

How that will translate into gameplay advantages remains to be seen

 

[Hobbygaming]

Why would he break nda at all? That's the logic here.

If you are under NDA to not tell anybody about a product u work with, the first thing that comes to my mind is talk about it with a fucking journalist that tweets everything out all day long.

Yea sounds legit.

Because he trusts that Jason would never release his identity, this is obvious but at the same time they still have to be careful

 

[Lionel Richie]

Holy shit. Celebration time? Is this a real post? You are truly delusional.

Thank God you think that if it means you'll stop replying to my posts.

 

[MrRenegade]

3 months before release Sony will announce: oh sorry we have 5 more TFLOPPY in store. We lost is somehow and now they came home.

 

[Jonsoncao]

Yes, the PS5 is slower than the XSX, but calling Cerny a fraud after he successfully delivered the second most successful home console of all time, is somewhat of an exaggeration. And its not like he's some rando who showed up at Sony just for the PS4. The guy has a pretty exceptional development track record behind him too.

The number of hot takes. Christ.

Just re-watch the part where Cerny deflected the count of CUs in the PS5 unveiling stream, and how "a fixed 2Ghz cannot be sustained for GPU but if we change it to variable frequency, our GPU can be run at 2.23Ghz max, most of the time."

Sounds exactly this Albert Penello fraud.

Makes me question his SEGA origin.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Wow this guy and Cerny both look like frauds.

Cerny headed an immensely successful architecture in the PS4, even given that the SeX is more powerful in the ways we know, it doesn't mean that the PS5 is an unsuccessful design, just a slightly weaker one in some ways with a heavier focus in other areas. Let's also wait to see the retail costs of each.

(this is also exactly what I expressed in the lines after the title, but I did expect the memes and shitposts, lol)

Man people flip fast!

Just re-watch the part where Cerny deflected the count of CUs in the PS5 unveiling stream, and how "a fixed 2Ghz cannot be sustained for GPU but if we change it to variable frequency, our GPU can be run at 2.23Ghz max, most of the time."

How exactly is load based frequency that can be stuck to most of the time the same as Panello saying there's no way the inventors of DirectX would make a far weaker GPU in the XBO, which they did? Cerny didn't make any claims against the SeX at all.

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

Is it possible that Sony hasn’t completed the design of the ps5 or has had to change the box due to cooling issues? Would that explain why they haven’t shown anything yet?

 

[Hobbygaming]

Just like his tweet from right after the reveal where he was talking about 'yeah thats what i keep hearing from loads of devs', when responding to a fanboy talking about the 'SSD being a gamechanger', and then a day later it turned out he had heard that from 3 devs, all Sony Studio devs.
Gaming press can be fanboys too, who knew!.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

This is the same guy who tweeted that multiple devs told him the PS5 is the most exciting hardware in 20 years or some bullshit.

 

[Moses85]

RAM Upgrade to 17 GB

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Is it possible that Sony hasn’t completed the design of the ps5 or has had to change the box due to cooling issues? Would that explain why they haven’t shown anything yet?

I asked this in the speculation thread yesterday.

I was wondering what the typical amount of time is between a final design being unveiled and console launching. Perhaps the PS5’s final box is still under construction (just outside design, not specs)?

 

[THE DUCK]

PS5 has the storage bandwidth advantage and, depending on who you ask, RAM speed advantage (16 gigs locked speed, XsX has split pools)

How that will translate into gameplay advantages remains to be seen

It has a speed advantage on ssd however in terms of real world application this isnt likely to make any difference at all.

In terms of ram, xsx has the speed advantage for the majority of ram used, it's a wash or even a edge to ms.

Which basically leaves the ps5 with no real world advantages, unless you count having to slow down everything when the system is pushed, lol. And we havent even gotten in to the fact that it's likely to be as noisy as jet engine taking off again.

The 3 things they have going for them into this fight are: Some exclusive games, price will likely be cheaper, and blind fanboy support.

 

[Stuart360]

Yes and later it rurned into 3 devs, from ND and them that made that The Order 1880. The tweets were posted on here so either the tweets were made up or he's deleted them.

 

[Mendax89]

Kotaku's fake news and paid by advertisers in ways that nobody knows.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I asked this in the speculation thread yesterday.

I was wondering what the typical amount of time is between a final design being unveiled and console launching. Perhaps the PS5’s final box is still under construction (just outside design, not specs)?

The system is architected, there's no reworking it at this point and production is about to or has already begun, there's no reworking it even 6 months ago. This variable frequency thing is to boost a 9.2 teraflop console beyond that because they can't redesign and figured out what Microsoft had too late in the game.

It's the 2020 equivalent of Microsoft overclocking the Xbox One in 2013.

 

[Panajev2001a]

It has a speed advantage on ssd however in terms of real world application this isnt likely to make any difference at all.

In terms of ram, xsx has the speed advantage for the majority of ram used, it's a wash or even a edge to ms.

Which basically leaves the ps5 with no real world advantages, unless you count having to slow down everything when the system is pushed, lol. And we havent even gotten in to the fact that it's likely to be as noisy as jet engine taking off again.

The 3 things they have going for them into this fight are: Some exclusive games, price will likely be cheaper, and blind fanboy support.

You can be happy about the strengths of an amazing console box without putting down the strengths of the competition unfairly (SSD speed does not matter, unified memory pool does not matter, audio solution does not matter, etc...) on, can’t you? ... of course ending it with a “fanboy driven system” throwaway comment as if either system did not have their blind fanboys lol.

 

[Stuart360]

The system is architected, there's no reworking it at this point and production is about to or has already begun, there's no reworking it even 6 months ago. This variable frequency thing is to boost a 9.2 teraflop console beyond that because they can't redesign and figured out what Microsoft had too late in the game.

It's the 2020 equivalent of Microsoft overclocking the Xbox One in 2013.

Yep Digital Foundry themselves said tech has to be finalized about 18 months before release, and the only things that can really change outside of that are clock spreeds, and thats exactly what has happened.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Secret sauce here we go. Deja vu

 

[Sosokrates]

It's not important compared to what? I didn't see him comparing PS5 to XSX. Like I said, you only took what I suspected you taking from his presentation... X vs. Y instead of listening to his reasoning around his design philosophy.

You dont think sony was aware that the xsx was 12tflops? Sony have even said themselves that they are watching and reacting to what Microsoft are doing.
So even though cerny did not compare the ps5 gpu to the xsx's gpu, sony would of known the comparisons would be made.
Why didnt cerny mention that raw tflops dont tell the whole story when he has spoken about the ps4? Has he and sony only just realised this or something?

Its Also puzzleing why he didn't demonstrate the kind of performance increase a 36cu @ 1ghz vs a 48cu @ 750mhz would have, he said its "noticeable", ok then show us or tell us what these performance increases are. I would be surprised if it more then 10% .
So a 36cu @ 1ghz would behave more like a 5tflop gpu.

So I think the ps5 gpu will perform better then a rdna2 lower clocked 10tf card on pc, but i would be surprised if its more then 10%. However the xsx also benifits from high clocks, 1825mhz is still very fast,the xsxs extra ram bandwidth will also make a significant performance increase.

 

[Daymos]

I will probably vote for ps5, right now it's like 60%ps5/40% xbox. I totally support switch 100% because it has uncensored boobs, but I'll need a new blu-ray player to replace my launch ps4 so I'll buy one of the new consoles.. I don't care about their price, in past week my wife spent $848 for my two dogs' vet visit and $185 for the damn cat. A $600 blu ray player is just fine. I do love my wife though, she supports uncensored boobs too.

 

[GHG]

I have seen the plenty of specs sheets and all of them show the Series X better in every single way other than SSD. Even then it looks like Microsoft has some innovative tech behind the way their SSD will comunicate with the ram and cpu so they might actually end up with a better solution.

What's been really interesting is to witness people believing the marketing spiel that both parties have put out to make it seem like the respective weaknesses don't really matter.

It's actually fascinating.

 

[Panajev2001a]

This variable frequency thing is to boost a 9.2 teraflop console beyond that because they can't redesign and figured out what Microsoft had too late in the game.

Aka... just your speculation for the most part (the only basis I can see is MS strong, Sony scared or something to that effect and pretending they rushed out a shitty solution instead of shooting for high clocks and fixed power consumption early on which is more likely).

I do not believe they pulled off this design at the last minute, but built it in as a target several years ago.

 

[Clear]

The 3 things they have going for them into this fight are: Some exclusive games, price will likely be cheaper, and blind fanboy support.

And the Xbox contingent isn't full of fanboys too I suppose?

Here's a newsflash for ya: Its been a few years since One X took the power crown, and in that time the market performance of Playstation and Xbox hasn't change one iota. Similarly the situation regarding B/C. Xbox does it, Playstation doesn't and ummm, still crushes.

This is what kinda puzzles me. Xbox fanboys are gloating about a scenario that already exists and they are on the losing side of.

Its not much of a threat lol

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Aka... just your speculation for the most part (the only basis I can see is MS strong, Sony scared or something to that effect and pretending they rushed out a shitty solution instead of shooting for high clocks and fixed power consumption early on which is more likely).

I do not believe they pulled off this design at the last minute, but built it in as a target several years ago.

I don't really care what you believe, I see a spade I call it a spade.

 

[Stuart360]

Aka... just your speculation for the most part (the only basis I can see is MS strong, Sony scared or something to that effect and pretending they rushed out a shitty solution instead of shooting for high clocks and fixed power consumption early on which is more likely).

I do not believe they pulled off this design at the last minute, but built it in as a target several years ago.

Dude you dont start out making a console with 2.25ghz gpu clock speeds in mind, you just dont unless you are mad. Those speeds are ridiculous even by PC standards with exotic cooling and massive cases.
The reason i never believed the GitHub leaks was because it said PS5 was 2.0ghz, even that number is silly for a console.

 

[Vasto]

PS5 has the storage bandwidth advantage and, depending on who you ask, RAM speed advantage (16 gigs locked speed, XsX has split pools)

How that will translate into gameplay advantages remains to be seen

PS5 has the storage advantage with their faster SSD but like I said before, Microsoft has its Xbox Velocity Architecture that they have not really talked about yet and it mught be just as good or better than the PS5. As for ram Xbox Series X ram is much faster than whats in the PS5.

 

[Swaganizonda]

Ya'll forgeting the possibility of ps5 being the base model while a 13.3Tflop @52 CU being the Pro one, announced later. A reverse of what Microsoft might be doing with a potential series S.

 

[ipukespiders]

in past week my wife spent $848 for my two dogs' vet visit

and $185 for the damn cat

LOL!
Go give your cat some petting (if it lets you).