ThatGuy707
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Yeah, that is fair but it is fair for everyone to be skeptical. Sony is doing things against conventional wisdom. It is on them to prove their approach is better than everyone else.
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Jason Schreier's industry sources: PS5 is superior in ways that Sony has not communicated yet
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Yeah, that is fair but it is fair for everyone to be skeptical. Sony is doing things against conventional wisdom. It is on them to prove their approach is better than everyone else.
ThatGuy707
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I bet it won't have variable frequency either...Next we’ll hear about a PS5 Pro with 16TFlops deep dive coming up next month. You heard it here first!
Gamerguy84
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When the games start flying Mark Cerny is either going to hailed as The Goat or the dud.
I really wanna see what ND can do with it.
I really wanna see what ND can do with it.
Nemesis Prime
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This is getting pathetic, so they are either "choosing not to show their benefits" or "unable to communicate properly". Both are terrible strategies/decisions on their own. Some Sony devs on twitter are being extremely petty and lame in their attempt to defend their clearly inferior console.
Maybe the Ps5 has some secret chip we aren't aware of that
Maybe the Ps5 has some secret chip we aren't aware of that
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Hobbygaming
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Jason leaks that PS5 has less Tflops
Xbox guys: I knew it, Xbox has the power crown, X gon' give it to ya
Jason leaks that developers are saying that PS5 is superior in some ways
Xbox guys: Jason is always shilling for PlayStation and he has no sources
Xbox guys: I knew it, Xbox has the power crown, X gon' give it to ya
Jason leaks that developers are saying that PS5 is superior in some ways
Xbox guys: Jason is always shilling for PlayStation and he has no sources
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Yeah this was really weird. It came off really pathetic. Like all those first party devs spamming twitter and trying very very hard.
Did they ever do this? Did they do this at ps4 Launch?
i don’t think so
And what about these devs? I assume they are also extremely petty and lame being more interested in an inferior console?
Oops.
Reindeer
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He also said next gen console GPUs are more powerful than 2080, we all saw how that turned out for PS5.
THEAP99
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It wasn’t just first party developers.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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I'd be the first to celebrate if Schreiers claims turned out to be true. I'm sceptical, though.
"I'm a player who recently switched to a high-end PC, so none of the graphic stuff makes me too excited. I don't know for sure, so don't repeat it, gossipers, but I'm pretty sure that the specs those guys are going to achieve with the PS5 and Anaconda [one of the code names used for the new Xbox - editorial note] are more powerful than GPUs like RTX 2080, things you can get on the market today. I think they're trying to play it safe for the future. I've heard many positive things about the level of power they work with," said Schreier.
Hmmm....
TBiddy
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And what about these devs? I assume they are also extremely petty and lame being more interested in an inferior console?
Oops.
PS has a bigger market share. Of course it is more interesting.
And what about these devs? I assume they are also extremely petty and lame being more interested in an inferior console?
Oops.
This was before the reveal though, in January.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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And what about these devs? I assume they are also extremely petty and lame being more interested in an inferior console?
Oops.
Do you actually know the context of that GDC post, or...?
PS5 and Xbox Series X aren't even released yet and I don't think individual developers care about market conditions; they care about developing. What's the next excuse?
Nemesis Prime
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And what about these devs? I assume they are also extremely petty and lame being more interested in an inferior console?
Oops.
What does this prove? Most devs find the Ps5 more interesting? The goal posts are shifting from the Ps5 being weaker to the Ps5 being more interesting?
It's clear a lot of Sony devs are pressed and salty at the notion of the PS5 being inferior technically. Ready at Dawn and Naughty Dog staff members piping up on twitter as if they have any relevance or knowledge of developing for the XSEX. Embarrassing and very poor mentality to have. I'm not seeing any MS devs speak up in this childish way.
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THE SALT IS REAL
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Yes. If you're interested in the content I'd like to refer you to the following: http://reg.gdconf.com/gdc-state-of-game-industry-2020
TBiddy
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Of course they do. Developers want to make good games that sell, so they still have a job. Plus we have indies that look for market share as well.
Make your own excuse, if you wish. Or find someone else to engage in your warrior fight with.
Hobbygaming
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you guys crack me up Jason reports about Naughty Dog crunch and y'all take it as "gospel"
Jason says Sony and MS are "aiming" to go above Stadia's Tflop number, the PS5 came up short so y'all say Jason lied, wow Lmao
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michaelius
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Exactly.
To be honest whoever decided to start ps5 marketing the way the did should be looking for new work already
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I already knew that, but was asking to see your intent behind posting it up. Basically, I wouldn't take that as an indication of PS5 having a performance advantage overall. In select areas like the SSD yes, but overall? Even in paper specs we see the difference. Sony has simply been more up-front spoken about their customization versus Microsoft, who seem to just let the prevailing power narrative take hold (but when you actually look at the APU, XSX is very much optimized and customized in several aspects itself).
That's the main reason I asked.
sonomamashine
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"Jason Schreier's industry sources: PS5 is superior in ways that Sony has not communicated yet"
Lol, i can't get enough of this title, i don't recall Sony using the same marketing for PS4 reveal.
c'mon guys... some logic here.
Lol, i can't get enough of this title, i don't recall Sony using the same marketing for PS4 reveal.
c'mon guys... some logic here.
TBiddy
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Jason reports about Naughty Dog crunch and y'all take it as "gospel"
Jason says Sony and MS are "aiming" to go above Stadia's Tflop number, the PS5 came up short so y'all say Jason lied, wow Lmao
Guessing != lying.
HawarMiran
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It is a disorder. Let us be gentle. Mental illness is no joke
Jason reports about Naughty Dog crunch and y'all take it as "gospel"
Jason says Sony and MS are "aiming" to go above Stadia's Tflop number, the PS5 came up short so y'all say Jason lied, wow Lmao
. Btw there are Sony fans here that have the same problem 
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Hobbygaming
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The point is y'all believe Jason when it works in y'all favor
And y'all think he's talking bullshit or doesn't know anything when it doesn't work in y'all favor
ShadowWolf712
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...that's a third party dev, chuckles.
Is it really a goal post shift if that was the original stance from developers in the first place?
I think it proves a lot and echos what developers have been saying about PS5 since Mark Cerny's "The Road to PS5" GDC presentation. It's not like no one is interested in Xbox Series X. I also think the copious amounts of salt you're currently generating from a single disrespectful post towards extremely talented people is beyond anything Xbox Series X could even render. Congratulations.
There's been plenty of developers from Microsoft who have chimed in on their employers console, but it's quite obvious your green tinted glasses can only see so far. When you have a bunch of children, like yourself, touting nonsensical trash at every tweet about PS5 you're going to get slapped around. It's that simple.
TBiddy
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Stop saying “y’all”. If you wish to discuss with me, feel free to do so, but blanket statements like that are useless.
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DrAspirino
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100% SSD throughput advantage???? please...don't make me laugh. Clearly you don't have any idea how NANDs work....
...and even if you don't know how they work, developers can't use more than what's available through the NVME bus simply because games stored on the expansion SSD will have to use that bus. If Sony is stupid enough to not allow games to run from the NVME SSD, then I tell you right here and right now that the internal SSD will die in 2-3 years of "normal" gaming, since NANDs have a limited read/write cycle count, games would use the "fast" SSD as a swap memory (thus using many read/write cycles), and some users will install-remove-install games constantly.
This is clearly damage control and trying to look for any advantage to spin Sony's mistake.
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But this was done BEFORE the specs and architecture of the consoles have been released. most of them didn’t even know how those consoles are specwise.
That post wasn't about performance and nor do I think this means PS5 having any kind of advantage over Xbox Series X. It's quite clear who is going to generally perform better. IMO, Microsoft has talked more about their customization and I think this reflects most peoples interest as well. Even Digital Foundry is curious about the customizations Sony has made.
Nemesis Prime
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Is it really a goal post shift if that was the original stance from developers in the first place?
I think it proves a lot and echos what developers have been saying about PS5 since Mark Cerny's "The Road to PS5" GDC presentation. It's not like no one is interested in Xbox Series X. I also think the copious amounts of salt you're currently generating from a single disrespectful post towards extremely talented people is beyond anything Xbox Series X could even render. Congratulations.
There's been plenty of developers from Microsoft who have chimed in on their employers console, but it's quite obvious your green tinted glasses can only see so far. When you have a bunch of children, like yourself, touting nonsensical trash at every tweet about PS5 you're going to get slapped around. It's that simple.
Why on Earth would I be salty? The XSEX is the clear superior in technical capability. No amount of vague messaging and throwing of buzzwords is going to change that. It's easier to accept that and focus on Sony's clearly superior exclusive output
Kokoloko85
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Lol just to see how the games compare and what games are released lol
TBiddy
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And that should really be the only thing that needs to be posted. Of course the XSX is the better console this generation. And more likely than not, Sony will produce a higher number of amazing exclusives.
Come on dude, you really think none of these developers knew what they were working with?
From a consumer standpoint all we see are buzzwords and acronyms, but clearly you only see one side of it being an issue. Besides, I'm not sure what part of that poll has any bearing on the technical capability of the console? Feel free to point that out, I'll wait.
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Panajev2001a
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Indeed, then again people would say that XSX and PS5 would have been generic and samey... and look at that
.Still think that yes they could have reacted and increased the clock a bit, or simply pushed further because they had extra time, but the design was always primed for back then almost unbelievable GPU clocks for AMD.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's not that MS hasn't talked about a lot of their features, it's that they did not hype up discussion about them the way Sony has. The features are mainly discussed in blog posts and usually deep down in them at that. Sony made the cornerstone of a GDC presentation aimed at developers (but oddly marketed to regular gamers) about their own optimizations, and in light of the TF battle falling aside in favor of XSX, those optimizations on the SSD and audio have become the new cornerstone of discussion regards PS5.
It's down to a situation of options due to priority of messaging more than anything.
This actually isn't a guarantee for next-gen. With things like Scheir's report on Naughty Dog's workplace culture, not to mention all of the talent that MS's been bringing to studios like The Initiative, I can at least see MS's 1st party content (the story-driven, single-player "ish" type) improving a ton next gen and studios like Naughty Dog might take a hit in talent retention if they don't change some aspects of their workplace environment (same goes for Quantic Dream).
Basically, we shouldn't assume the state of 1st-party content between Sony and MS will remain static for next-gen. We need to see actual results from the 1st-party studios before getting an idea on how things will play out on that front IMHO (and TBF, same mostly goes for the technical strengths of each system).
Indeed, then again people would say that XSX and PS5 would have been generic and samey... and look at that
Still think that yes they could have reacted and increased the clock a bit, or simply pushed further because they had extra time, but the design was always primed for back then almost unbelievable GPU clocks for AMD.
True; I think we can conclude PS5 was going to at least be a 36 CU chip (40 CUs total). It's down to a chain of circumstances and decisions compiling on each other going as far back as 2015 that's given us the PS5 Sony's revealed this week.
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Deeper Underground
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LMJ
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Christ this place has become unbearable...
If you will all sheath your claws and teeth for 5 seconds, as I stated in another thread well Jason is indeed an SJW and a piece of shit, he also clearly does have connections...
The dude has had numerous breaking stories and scoops so clearly he does talk to many people and likely knows a great deal of Devs, him being a human piece of excrement doesn't change that...
Now whether or not what hes saying is true time will tell, but hes not the only one saying this kind of crap in the background... There is alot of praise for BOTH machines
Relax Playstation fanboys, there's likely a good deal that we have not heard yet, so chances are there's far more to this system than we already know...
Relax Xbox fanboys, your system is still the strongest when it comes to strength in the GPU CPU you will have the best possible performance so celebrate yea
If you will all sheath your claws and teeth for 5 seconds, as I stated in another thread well Jason is indeed an SJW and a piece of shit, he also clearly does have connections...
The dude has had numerous breaking stories and scoops so clearly he does talk to many people and likely knows a great deal of Devs, him being a human piece of excrement doesn't change that...
Now whether or not what hes saying is true time will tell, but hes not the only one saying this kind of crap in the background... There is alot of praise for BOTH machines
Relax Playstation fanboys, there's likely a good deal that we have not heard yet, so chances are there's far more to this system than we already know...
Relax Xbox fanboys, your system is still the strongest when it comes to strength in the GPU CPU you will have the best possible performance so celebrate yea
TBiddy
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You've certainly been quite active the few weeks. What happened to your old account?
I don't think Sony hyped anything. They simply said, "hey, we're going to present our GDC content publicly based on our design philosophy and some of the systems capabilities." I don't think it is any different than Microsoft dropping a bomb on a Monday.
Maybe people are just generally excited about PlayStation 5? It can be that simple.
PhillyPhreak11
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All this secret sauce talk makes my head hurt. I just want a proper reveal of the PS5.
hunthunt
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And what about these devs? I assume they are also extremely petty and lame being more interested in an inferior console?
Oops.
Deeper Underground
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What old account? If you are trying to accuse me of being an alt account, you are barking up the wrong tree lol.
hunthunt
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It seems like most of the tweets praising the PS5 were from Naughty Dog devs so I guess they are probably behind a lot of the thinkering behind it
Im expecting at least 3 games by them this gen.
Sosokrates
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Yeah sony dont care about marketing....what a load of nonsense.
Sony messed up with this lecture, where Microsoft gave easy bullet points and demonstrations done by youtubers in a entertaining way, sonys just gave use a 100 page hardware document and are like " you figure it out"
Im not saying that the PS5 will not sell well or have amazing visuals on the contrary I think it will do very well and have some the best looking ganes next gen. What I am saying is that cerny is talking in way which creates more questions then answers, and they did that to try and lessen the blow of the reality of a more powerful XsX.
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