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[onQ123]

With that in mind what was once the limit that a dev could use per load screen without data streaming can now be streamed in every second. that's 90MB each frame , a RAW file from a 24MP camera is around 25MB so the level of detail that could be pushed to the screen could be insane.

PS4 HDD could only stream around 2MB per frame in a 60 fps game .

 

[ManaByte]

A PS5 SSD thread?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Well, this would be a valid comparison if QLC NAND memory and flash memory controllers operated in any level comparable to GDDR6 volatile memory and GDDR6 memory controllers, but they don't so

Also one's in terms of speed and the other's in terms of size, two different measuring metrics so on that too.

 

[Kagey K]

I’d ask why you are comparing the read/write speed of a drive to ram, but I’m pretty sure I already know the answer.

 

[Aceofspades]

A PS5 SSD thread?

When you create the fastest SSD known to man, it deserves to be mentioned a lot.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

a RAW file from a 24MP camera is around 25MB so the level of detail that could be pushed to the screen could be insane.

Shame that games don't store every single possible frame in RAW and instead rely on assets and generating frames in real time.

 

[Codes 208]

I dont understand your correlation of bandwdith speed versus memory storage. The ps4 ram had 5.5 usable to developers but if i recall it had bandwidth of 176gb/s

 

[Azaroth]

To put my pool pump’s 1 horsepower motor into perspective, my neighbor has 1 horse which is able to run really fast and jump really high.

 

[Coolwhhip]

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[Hobbygaming]

With that in mind what was once the limit that a dev could use per load screen without data streaming can now be streamed in every second. that's 90MB each frame , a RAW file from a 24MP camera is around 25MB so the level of detail that could be pushed to the screen could be insane.

PS4 HDD could only stream around 2MB per frame in a 60 fps game .

Greatness awaits

 

[leo-j]

Series X - Ultra Super Saiyan Trunks
Ps5 - Super Saiyan 2 Trunks

 

[PlayStaytion]

Yeah, it's a "mind blowing" stuff.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

WAIT DOES PS5 HAVE AN SSD???!!!

 

[Fulcizombie]

I don’t even understand the meaning of this thread, what does one thing have to do with the other ? Please Sony spare us all and announce that freakin 13 TF ps5 cause this is just bizarre.

 

[Reindeer]

I dont understand your correlation of bandwdith speed versus memory storage. The ps4 ram had 5.5 usable to developers but if i recall it had bandwidth of 176gb/s

Because 5.5GBs > 176GBs apparently

 

[RiccochetJ]

When you create the fastest SSD known to man, it deserves to be mentioned a lot.

Tell me about the GPU to render the super fast data.

 

[Fulcizombie]

Tell me about the GPU to render the super fast data.

The SSD will render it by itself, GPUs are a thing of the past.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

PS5 > COVID-19

 

[onQ123]

I’d ask why you are comparing the read/write speed of a drive to ram, but I’m pretty sure I already know the answer.

To put it in perspective how much data can be streamed in every second.


Instead of a whole level being loaded into 5.5GB of RAM you can now stream that amount of data in every second , so this 5.5GB goes from being the a whole level that you had to wait to load up to now being what you can use on screen as far as the player can see in a second of game play,

 

[quickwhips]

PS5 > COVID-19

I think factory workers making ps5 would disagree.

 

[Kagey K]

To put it in prospective how much data can be streamed in every second.


Instead of a whole level being loaded into 5.5GB of RAM you can now stream that amount of data in every second , so this 5.5GB goes from being the a whole level that you had to wait to load up to now being what you can use on screen as far as the player can see in a second of game play,

Yeah I did know the answer.

 

[FStubbs]

Let's all give up. Let these guys win. The PS5 SSD is such a revolutionary piece of tech that if you attached one to a PS1, it would instantly be as powerful as the PS4, the way people talk about its capabilities.

 

[Iced Arcade]

You are allowed to like a product that isn't as powerful.


The PS5 being weaker is causing more meltdowns than the x1 launch... and that was a clusterfuck of a mess.

 

[onQ123]

I dont understand your correlation of bandwdith speed versus memory storage. The ps4 ram had 5.5 usable to developers but if i recall it had bandwidth of 176gb/s

You can now refill that 5.5GB of RAM every second.

Before you had to load everything you needed for a level into that 5.5GB of RAM unless you was streaming from the hard drive which only got you about 2MB per frame in a 60fps game so you didn't get much out of streaming but now you can get about 90MB per frame from the SSD.

 

[sonomamashine]

I don't understand this, reaching ?

 

[Grinchy]

I'm excited to see what it can do. Hopefully they actually show us some day.

 

[onQ123]

I don't understand this, reaching ?

PS4 whole level had to fit into 5.5GB besides what you could stream in from the slow HDD , PS5 can use that 5.5GB for what's in view within the next second of game play.

No need of loading the whole level into memory because you can stream it in as you go.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

You are allowed to like a product that isn't as powerful.


The PS5 being weaker is causing more meltdowns than the x1 launch... and that was a clusterfuck of a mess.

I just want to interject for the moment and point out that Playstation never intentionally try to be the most powerful, except for the one mistake called PS3.

Every generation before PS3, some other machine was stronger. And yet Sony came out on top of them. And PS4 only was stronger by pure chance because of MS nerfing their own hardware.
The power narrative, belief that power wins console generations... That is a fabrication that Microsoft only started to pull once they released the 1X.

If it were true that power is what matters, Neo Geo would have still been around.

Ps5 just need to be one thing in my eyes to seal the deal next gen; a $399 price tag.

 

[onQ123]

For the trolls that think I'm only talking about this because Sony put a fast SSD in the PS5

Rumor: Next Xbox To Feature Ray Tracing, 1TB NVMe SSD Storage; DevKit To Release After GDC 2019

I said before that MS' low end cheap console next gen will give them an advantage next gen. If Sony doesn't have multiple console releases next gen, then I believe sales figures will be a lot closer next gen. What sony need to do is just either rebrand a smaller PS4 Pro as PS5 lite for the...

www.neogaf.com

If you care this much about having over 16GB of GDDR6 Ram why are you not excited about the thought of having 1TB of NVMe? To me this is one of the best things that could happen Next Gen , you see it as storage I see it as a big pool of Ram

 

[Insane Metal]

You mean perspective?

 

[sonomamashine]

 

[Alexios]

So in one second PS4 ram would fill and in a whole 3 seconds PS5 ram will fill, what's your point lol?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Put it in perspective?

What perspective? The perspective of a fucking madman?

 

[farmerboy]

To put my pool pump’s 1 horsepower motor into perspective, my neighbor has 1 horse which is able to run really fast and jump really high.

This had no right to make me laugh as much as it did.

EDIT: As a paid up member of the Sony Ponies, I'll say this; even I'm gonna need to see how this all works, cos I'm having trouble imagining it.

To me, it looks like the gpu has no hope processing all the data the ssd can throw at it. In that sense then, is the ssd future proofed for the inevitable PS5 Pro?

 

[TaySan]

Lol does anyone remember the power of the cloud? This is all dejavu

 

[onQ123]

You mean perspective?

Yeah but it's too late to fix it

 

[Metnut]

Sony really knocked it out of the park with this. Can’t wait until Sony’s 1st party devs start turning out GOTYs like they usually do. Best thing is they they can develop completely for PS5 (unlike other systems where they will have to make sure games run on a weaker system).

 

[onQ123]

So in one second PS4 ram would fill and in a whole 3 seconds PS5 ram will fill, what's your point lol?

No that's not it ,


It's not about loading the RAM in 3 seconds it's about being able to stream in the data up to 180MB per frame in a 30fps game or up to 90MB per frame in a 60fps game.

 

[HeadsUp7Up]

Wow this is huge if true! Source for the PS5 having an SSD?

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

For the trolls that think I'm only talking about this because Sony put a fast SSD in the PS5

Rumor: Next Xbox To Feature Ray Tracing, 1TB NVMe SSD Storage; DevKit To Release After GDC 2019

I said before that MS' low end cheap console next gen will give them an advantage next gen. If Sony doesn't have multiple console releases next gen, then I believe sales figures will be a lot closer next gen. What sony need to do is just either rebrand a smaller PS4 Pro as PS5 lite for the...

www.neogaf.com

Did... Did you just quote yourself?

That awkward moment

 

[Neo_game]

SSD is the biggest and the Ram is the smallest upgrade this gen.

 

[Goliathy]

Ps5 just need to be one thing in my eyes to seal the deal next gen; a $399 price tag.

Not gonna happen. Sony is not in the financial position right now, especially with covid-19 destroying the movie Industry.

Also, with that VERY EXPENSIVE SSD, I don’t see $399 happen. It’s going to be at least $449. or $499.

But we will see end of the year.

 

[Kagey K]

Not gonna happen. Sony is not in the financial position right now, especially with covid-19 destroying the movie Industry.

Also, with that VERY EXPENSIVE SSD, I don’t see $399 happen. It’s going to be at least $449. or $499.

But we will see end of the year.

I fully expect these consoles to be priced on par with each other. Nobody is getting the jump on pricing even though they went different routes.

 

[Sosokrates]

People need to stop singling out the PS5 SSD, both SSDs provide huge progression over current gen.

 

[Sosokrates]

Not gonna happen. Sony is not in the financial position right now, especially with covid-19 destroying the movie Industry.

Also, with that VERY EXPENSIVE SSD, I don’t see $399 happen. It’s going to be at least $449. or $499.

But we will see end of the year.

I think sony will go $499, and put exclusives day and date on PS now.
They dont need too, but if they want to keep there "for the gamers" reputation they cant let xbox have to many advantages.

 

[Kagey K]

People need to stop singling out the PS5 SSD, both SSDs provide huge progression over current gen.

But one has bigger numbers so it must be better.

The same people: Bigger numbers aren’t always better and 10 can equal 12 in the right circumstances.

 

[sn0man]

SSD is the biggest and the Ram is the smallest upgrade this gen.

the 16gb ram is definitely a sad part of the new consoles but the increase in disk speed seems right though. At least to me the idea of significantly reducing loading times is super exciting.

 

[Kagey K]

the 16gb ram is definitely a sad part of the new consoles but the increase in disk speed seems right though. At least to me the idea of significantly reducing loading times is super exciting.

They don’t need Ram though, so why upgrade it?

SSD is the RAM now, hence this topic.

 

[ZehDon]

... ok, virtually everything in the OP isn't how any metric being discussed actually works, is used, or is relevant, when discussing asset streaming or real time rendering. This thread doesn't add anything to anyone's perspective. Please, just stop.

 

[Von Hugh]

Yeah but it's too late to fix it

Just like PS5