Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
You mean only load ? Since the rest of the stuff is done by RAM.
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Coreteks: Detailed video about why he think PS5 will be the better console because of the I/O & SSD
Fulcizombie
Banned
There is nothing I can write that will convince you just like everything that I was writing in the speculation thread that turned out to be correct, couldn’t convince any of the Sony diehards of this forum. All we can do now is wait for the first game comparisons and see who is right and who is wrong.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You quoted Kirby0Louise as a source.
That person made a Twitter account late last year and "developed" a small engine and now claims to be a dev for Xbox Series X and Nintendo Switch.
Seems like just conformation bias.
Said the difference is staggering, while others have stated differently. Since we cannot see the performance, we cannot say if that's really true are not. But what we do know is that the Memory, CPU and GPU are close.
Richard Geldreich also says this.
What he stated incorrectly before is that they're just using kraken, which isn't true. This also won't make up for the lack of SSD speed. And Sony probably has a better I\O setup. Having a decompresser won't just work alone.
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megreotsugua
Banned
oh dictator.. a real dev correcting him shows much little he knows and no better than regular forumers.. he knows nothing and haven't made a game in his life..
SoraNoKuni
Member
So many people that don't understand tech and compare consoles to open platforms(PC), it's going to be fun when the first exclusives drop, entirely designed around the capabilities of the respective console, 20% more pixels vs something entirely different.
I really wonder... Do people play with a magnifying glass? Because last time I checked the resolution wasn't the problem, but asset loading and physics was.
I really wonder... Do people play with a magnifying glass? Because last time I checked the resolution wasn't the problem, but asset loading and physics was.
hyperbertha
Member
This was debunked actually. Procedural development in open world turned out to be highly overstated.
Aceofspades
Banned
No, I mean capabilities of SSDand I/O block which can have tons of benefits other than slashing load times. It can improve streaming assets, hell even free resources from CPU/GPU to increase fps or resolution.
Edit: PS5 can handle 5.5GB/s Raw vs 2.4GB/s for XsX
Double that for compressed.
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Fulcizombie
Banned
Oh I expect to see a lot of magnifying glass excuses from people like you when the XSX will be destroying the ps5 in every DF comparison.
thelastword
Banned
Alex Battaglia has never put out a video as well researched and informative as Coreteks has.....When Alex has put out a game on a vastly more impressive level than Andrea Pessino of RAD, I will take his word over that technical juggernaut and the other devs who actually win best graphics awards....
JägerSeNNA
Banned
LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL
Aceofspades
Banned
DF will need to magnify all shots to x300 just to spot the slightest differences between the two
Vroadstar
Member
Hey Pal, how's your so-called "Real Dev" unbiased opinion
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SoraNoKuni
Member
Nuh, we'll be busy playing exclusives.
Evilms
Banned
- Coreteks believes there will be PS5 games not possible on PC (due to Sony’s high speed architecture and having to design to lowest common denominator in PC’s)
- He thinks the PS5 will be more expensive to manufacture because of its I/O design and 12-channel custom controller
- He believes both consoles will perform about the same as RTX 2080 GPU + R7 3700X CPU, highlights PS5’s potential in particular
- Nvidia will have a hard time marketing a $700 GPU when consoles are able to perform that well
- Super fast asset streaming is a game changer and will be PS5’s advantage over both PC and XSX. Argues that things like Sony’s Spider-Man demo will not be possible on XSX because MS didn’t focus on high performance I/O
- AMD’s RDNA reveal and demo at Computex last year may have hinted at the possibilities of a high bandwidth architecture (a la PS5). Lisa Su quoted Mark Cerny and how Cerny wants to revolutionize gaming in the next decade
- Project Awakening by CyGames shown back in 2018 may have actually been the first footage of a PS5. Also points out that the developer is aiming for a highly seamless open-world. Coreteks thinks this could be the game that Cerny alluded was using ray-tracing at a high level.
- He thinks the PS5 will be more expensive to manufacture because of its I/O design and 12-channel custom controller
- He believes both consoles will perform about the same as RTX 2080 GPU + R7 3700X CPU, highlights PS5’s potential in particular
- Nvidia will have a hard time marketing a $700 GPU when consoles are able to perform that well
- Super fast asset streaming is a game changer and will be PS5’s advantage over both PC and XSX. Argues that things like Sony’s Spider-Man demo will not be possible on XSX because MS didn’t focus on high performance I/O
- AMD’s RDNA reveal and demo at Computex last year may have hinted at the possibilities of a high bandwidth architecture (a la PS5). Lisa Su quoted Mark Cerny and how Cerny wants to revolutionize gaming in the next decade
- Project Awakening by CyGames shown back in 2018 may have actually been the first footage of a PS5. Also points out that the developer is aiming for a highly seamless open-world. Coreteks thinks this could be the game that Cerny alluded was using ray-tracing at a high level.
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Pallas
Member
Yet here you are
Kind of hard not to be when a thread like this gets made everyday about someone’s opinion about the next gen’s console. Then you have both sides trying to defend or trash the piece.
SoraNoKuni
Member
This
He literally spent the most part of the presentation to explain why their custom solution won't stress the CPU.
This guy didn't understand a word Cerny said, at least he admits it.Hey Pal, your so-called "Real Dev" unbiased opinion
He literally spent the most part of the presentation to explain why their custom solution won't stress the CPU.
AMD only made an official post on XSX not PS5
Microsoft & AMD Supercharge Console Gaming with the Xbox Series X
I am excited to share some of the details that Microsoft announced today on Xbox® Series X, and how it is built upon the partnership with the team at AMD. Together, we have relentlessly pushed the innovation boundaries of gaming devices for the last 15 years. Today, AMD and Microsoft are...community.amd.com
Love this quote. But what does Sebastien Nussbaum, (Senior Fellow and Corporate Vice President, Semi-Custom Products & Technologies at AMD) know?! Vroadstar and ethomaz know it better!
Vroadstar
Member
To
Bernkastel
he is a "REAL DEV" and whose opinion about PS5 should matter more, because he is unbiased /s
Alphagear
Member
XSX is more powerful no question but seriously gamers what would you prefer? Games by Sony studios at 1800p or games by Microsoft studios at 2160p? I know I would choose and thats Sony. Heck I would rather play Nintendo games at 1080p over Microsoft. Credit where it due to Microsoft for making a great Hardware but we all know Microsofts issue is software. Listening to some people, Microsoft XSX can do everything and will have everything except whats most important. Great games.
geordiemp
Member
Do you even read trhe articles you link to, is reading hard ?
The actual article says., and I will bold a bit for you to make it easier...of course AMD are working with MS, and in particular API for PCs / Windows....and your point is what exactly ?
The Xbox Series X is the biggest generational leap of SoC and API design that we’ve done with Microsoft
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FranXico
Member
No. These are not facts.
Vroadstar
Member
This was debunked actually. Procedural development in open world turned out to be highly overstated.
Indeed, X fans already know it was debunked, yet you will see the same post by Dictator quoted over and over again like it's gospel truth for brownie points
thelastword
Banned
It's not a narrative, this is not "Powah of da cloud" talk here...…..Lady BernKastel, you are quite aware that PS5 has much more custom silicon and a vastly different design approach over Series X......Check how packed their MCC is and their custom flash controller boasts a 12 channel interface, that's extra money right there.....Series X is certainly no where close to being as customized and it only has a 3 channel interface.....
In pretty much all aspects of the design, GPU with the geometry engine and cache scrubbers, Sound with the HRDTF and 3D Audio, The GPU with insanely higher clocks that improves the speed of all aspects of the rendering pipeline as opposed to just packing in more CU's, the IO being packed with silicon that acts as low latency ram where high end data can be ready to go in one second flat.....An impressive speed of 2GB being loaded in 1/4 of a second is all mighty impressive and details a much more custom design over XBOX in every scenario......
There is no doubt we concede (when doing the math) that the Series X has a higher TFLOP count, but even you Lady Berkastel have to concede that PS5 was not designed as your traditional console box, by simply 8x'ing ram or 12x'ing HDD etc...They went after what was slowing down games all this time beyond GPU's having 13-14TF a long time ago.....
Vroadstar
Member
Don't bother, guy is using a throwaway alt account that will be long gone before his favorite console gets released.
Hobbygaming
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MilkyJoe
Member
It's an obvious reactionary over clock, those CUs at that speed is not designed for cooling in mind.
Hobbygaming
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I'll post it again since people still don't know that the devs that said PS5 is the most exciting hardware in 20 years were 3rd party devs
Psykodad
Banned
Nor did I make that claim, the cooling is designed with max power-consumption and heating at all times in mind.
Personally though, I'll take Cerny's word over that of MilkyJoe or Eastwood333 on Gaf.
Unless you want to claim that Cerny is talking out of his ass when addressing PS5 design in a tech-talk for devs.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Really? Jason Schreier ? Same guy who said Project Scarlet is behind schedule(before TGA) and is being rushed, while PS5 is ready.I'll post it again since people still don't know that the devs that said PS5 is the most exciting hardware in 20 years were 3rd party devs
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Jon Neu
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The difference is that Cerny is trying to sell you something.
In this case, the miracles of the SSD, because that's everything it's console has to hold unto.
Yeah, MS is unifying everything. DX12 ultimate, raw power.. and sony is doing customized stuff... we've seen how this customized stuff helped in the passt (CELL)
I'll post it again since people still don't know that the devs that said PS5 is the most exciting hardware in 20 years were 3rd party devs
this is meaningless. he can't tell any names, so this doesn't mean anything at all.
thelastword
Banned
It is so crazy that XBOX fans tout all that 12.1TF power of Series X and this is the graphics and developer that they are referencing in exemplifying this....Something is way wrong here......I mean just yesterday I was watching that Halo Infinite trailer and even that from a more accomplished developer is looking very unimpressive compared to what we will see from SWWS...….Nothing shown on Series X looks as impressive as Project Awakening and that started on PS4...Hey Pal, how's your so-called "Real Dev" unbiased opinion
There are more impressive Indie games from PS3 over what Dynamic Voltage Games is showing here...….Why would anyone use him at all...….
Clearly he doesn't, he is also ignorant to PS5 architecture as he clearly does not have a PS5 devkit and why would he anyway, looking at what he is producing here...….I would not even make Dynamic Voltage sniff a PS5 devkit to be fair...
Also, people believe Cerny is just a console maker, NO. He is also a developer, that is why he is so much in touch with devs and ideally what a developer really wishes in console box.....
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
You remind me of that dude that made a thread every day about FP16. You are that guy, aren't you, onQ123?
Psykodad
Banned
Me, or the devs?
Also, at no point in this thread did I mention the SSD.
Besides, I was asking a question, but I didn't get an answer yet as to how the PS5 cooling can't handle PS5 boost-mode heating.
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Hobbygaming
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Its probably
The only reason you guys think he isn't credible is because you misquote him all the time
He said MS was behind in getting info out to a lot of studios and from that standpoint they could've been behind
Jon Neu
Banned
You mentioned Cerny, so that's basically the same.
Psykodad
Banned
Read my edit, but I assume you don't have an answer?
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Hobbygaming
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But if he said "3rd party devs say that Xbox Series X will have 2X the texture fidelity of the PS5"
Then you would run with it
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
That was Tom WarrenIts probably
The only reason you guys think he isn't credible is because you misquote him all the time
He said MS was behind in getting info out to a lot of studios and from that standpoint they could've been behind
Tom Warren : Hardly anyone has Scarlett dev kits because Microsoft are planning to surprise Sony
Now before everyone turns into a game dev commenting what "should be done" from their armchair Also, Phil said they just started shipping dev kits during X019.
thelastword
Banned
Have you ever seen Cerny on Twitter or Forums fanboying for PlayStation? Unlike your Phil Spencer's, Albert Penello's and their entourage.....Cerny is simply a dev/console designer who wants to advance the medium both technically and in design.....He has never engaged in any console war, in any hype train or BS marketing.....
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
His ASMR PS5 reveal sermon was more of a PR than what you accuse actual PR people to be. XSX hardware devs dont do PR, some are in twitter but mostly talk about technical stuffs.
Jon Neu
Banned
Read my edit, but I assume you don't have an answer?
I already gave you one.
If you want to blindly believe everything that the PR spokeperson of a company is telling you, that's on you.
Only time will tell if the claims and promises of Sony are true this time or is another Cell scenario.
megreotsugua
Banned
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
XSEX will be fine. I mean the Xbone sold 40 million despite its hardware.
XSEX will be fine. I mean the Xbone sold 40 million despite its hardware.
Jon Neu
Banned
Cerny is a Sony employee that tries to oversell his console. Basically a PR spokeperson with the credentials of having techincal knowledge, but still a guy trying to sell you something using some embellished and questionable claims and promises.
Hobbygaming
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And Jason Schreier. CheckmateThat was Tom Warren
Tom Warren : Hardly anyone has Scarlett dev kits because Microsoft are planning to surprise Sony
Now before everyone turns into a game dev commenting what "should be done" from their armchair Also, Phil said they just started shipping dev kits during X019.www.neogaf.com
Jon Neu
Banned
And Jason Schreier. Checkmate
First response gets it.
Hobbygaming
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Destroying? You're in for a big disappointment
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
He also said this in ResetEraAnd Jason Schreier. Checkmate
He compared Scarlett to Xbox One, where they were behind schedule. Most of the info we had on PS5 at time including the one from Jason Schreier(where he said PS5 GPU is more powerful than RTX 2080) turned out to be wrong.
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