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[John Day]

Save this for when we actually see the next gen in action.

Not dismissing your concerns, but we really haven’t seen any gameplay whatsoever of any games on those consoles yet.

 

[01011001]

A week isolated at home has made me realise this, with all do respect i absolutely understand both sony and ms worked hard to deliver us the up coming next gen consoles but!

Yes theyve included super fast ssds and technology to efficiently deal with data to which most of the inventions like mesh shading, vrs, even the ssd was all mostly because they knew they couldnt afford enough vram in this machines,

Everybody online celebrated this new fancy techs , but they didnt see the skeletons hiding in the closet as to why both sony and microsoft are talking more about ssd speeds and poor mans tricks to work with low vram budgets.

I hate to say it but 10 teraflops 16gb doesnt cut it for me especially when were talking about a "PLAYSTATION 5." And i feel they had to cut this costs just because little johny in neogaf and twitter wants a ps5 at 399$ at the end we are all getting cheap hardware on ps5 thats going to be around with us in 7 years because of little whinny penny pincher johny.

Thats all folks dont know how u feel but the cheap buzz words about dx12,vrs, dynamic res, machine learning all sound to me like a poor mans excuse for low performance.

uhm... the PS4 and Xbox One exist.
terrible CPUs, 2 year old GPUs that were mid-range when they were released, so you can imagine what they were 2 years later...

wtf are you smoking?

 

[DESTROYA]

Is this topic going to be a weekly thread topic by the OP?
I’ve seen you bitch about the same exact thing like 3 times already, it’s pretty simple OP if you don’t like something or are not satisfied with the product don’t buy it, there are other alternatives you can choose from.
You should change your name to Mr.Ram because that‘s all you bitch about.
Didn’t realize SONY/MS designed consoles with what you want and not what price/performance ratio is good for everyone else.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Nope.

The video is not from digital foundry, and there is still no confirmation of native 4K.....v

 

[Stuart360]

Pretty sure this is the same guy that said the next gen consoles should have 128gb of ram, and games shouldnt cost more than $30 or something. Trolling, or deluded, one of them anyway.

 

[M1chl]

The video is not from digital foundry, and there is still no confirmation of native 4K.....v

Timestamped. I watch almost the whole thing, just to prove my honesty on the internet : D

 

[Shangounchained]

Timestamped. I watch almost the whole thing, just to prove my honesty on the internet : D

Gears 5 will be optimized for Xbox Series X, here's what it looks like on the console

The Coalition showed off a demo for the game during an Xbox announcement

www.google.com

 

[Shangounchained]

No they did not. They did not specifically say benchmarked @4k with framerates better than a $2500 USD gpu. Please think with logic here, and not fanboyism. RTX Titan is not 4x weaker than a console, lol! I hope you are trolling right now, because you are losing any credibility you have left, with your "profession".

They do run better than 2500$ pc gpus they have 16gigs of vram to play with ur 2080ti only has 11 and to add insult tp injury the ps5s ssd makes the 2080ti look stupid. Its called engineering you twat

 

[Walter Matthau]

Based on specs alone these consoles should be a more significant generational leap than the trash they rolled out with last generation. At the very least, both Microsoft and Sony are claiming their SSD transfer rates will give them an advantage over equivalent PCs. The base PS4 and Xbox weren't even equivalent to a mid-ranged PC at launch.

Consoles need to be budget friendly and shouldn't be compared to $1000+ gaming enthusiast PC rigs. I'm sure as hell not paying that much for a box that just plays games.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Timestamped. I watch almost the whole thing, just to prove my honesty on the internet : D

It's not running 4k > 100fps. Your video even confirms it's not hitting those frames at 4k, which was my point. Xbsx is not faster than the RTX 2080/S/TI or RTX Titan. I don't get why people have such unrealistic expectations for consoles...

 

[M1chl]

It's not running 4k > 100fps. Your video even confirms it's not hitting those frames at 4k, which was my point. Xbsx is not faster than the RTX 2080/S/TI or RTX Titan. I don't get why people have such unrealistic expectations for consoles...

Who said it does, I just said, that it does not run at 1080p like you stated.

 

[DoctaThompson]

They do run better than 2500$ pc gpus they have 16gigs of vram to play with ur 2080ti only has 11 and to add insult tp injury the ps5s ssd makes the 2080ti look stupid. Its called engineering you twat

You literally proved the game does not run at 100fps, several times now. 11gb of vram, plus 32gb of ram = 43gb of ram. Not sure how 16gb > 43gb? You do realize I can load entire levels into my memory right? Calling me a twat only solidifies the fact that you can't argue for shit, and your wrong for the millionth time again. It's ok to enjoy your console, but at least be realistic and stay in your lane peasant

 

[DoctaThompson]

Who said it does, I just said, that it does not run at 1080p like you stated.

The benchmark was around 1080p to 1440p. No where near 4k, like what a few people have stated in this thread. It was very disingenuous the way DF tried to use wordplay, to make some ppl think it was 4k@100fps, then to compare it to pc running native 4k with a cpu which isn't even meant for gaming.

 

[Shangounchained]

It's not running 4k > 100fps. Your video even confirms it's not hitting those frames at 4k, which was my point. Xbsx is not faster than the RTX 2080/S/TI or RTX Titan. I don't get why people have such unrealistic expectations for consoles...

It was hitting 100fps 4k on the clised door demo digital foundry said that aswell

 

[M1chl]

The benchmark was around 1080p to 1440p. No where near 4k, like what a few people have stated in this thread. It was very disingenuous the way DF tried to use wordplay, to make some ppl think it was 4k@100fps, then to compare it to pc running native 4k with a cpu which isn't even meant for gaming.

And where exactly is your proof? Aside from trust me dude™ Because Insane and Ultra Details is not the same thing, but since Xbox One X already run at 4k@60 (dynamic), I haven't hard time to believe that XSX run at 4k 60hz. Why would DF lied?

 

[Shangounchained]

You literally proved the game does not run at 100fps, several times now. 11gb of vram, plus 32gb of ram = 43gb of ram. Not sure how 16gb > 43gb? You do realize I can load entire levels into my memory right? Calling me a twat only solidifies the fact that you can't argue for shit, and your wrong for the millionth time again. It's ok to enjoy your console, but at least be realistic and stay in your lane peasant

Its not just any ram mate system ram actually slows down games when u run out of vram.

 

[DoctaThompson]

It was hitting 100fps 4k on the clised door demo digital foundry said that aswell

No, they didn't. Not even your quote mentions this lololol. Just stop trying already. You have no proof.

 

[Shangounchained]

And where exactly is your proof? Aside from trust me dude™ Because Insane and Ultra Details is not the same thing, but since Xbox One X already run at 4k@60 (dynamic), I haven't hard time to believe that XSX run at 4k 60hz. Why would DF lied?

So xbox one x runs at 4k 60 dynamic with small res dips and you have a fucking time believing a next gen console will have a hard time running gears 5 at 4k 60 you must be smocking holy water. On a bong.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Its not just any ram mate system ram actually slows down games when u run out of vram.

What would run out of ram faster, 16gb, or 43gb? I never run out of ram. Vram would run out before system memory....

 

[M1chl]

So xbox one x runs at 4k 60 dynamic with small res dips and you have a fucking time believing a next gen console will have a hard time running gears 5 at 4k 60 you must be smocking holy water. On a bong.

Care to read it properly? I wrote "haven't hard time" : )

 

[Shangounchained]

No, they didn't. Not even your quote mentions this lololol. Just stop trying already. You have no proof.

Boss you can keep on hating do flips around your room but its not changing the facts the series x is beating ur pc and their aint anything you can do yo change that, ultra settings plus raytraced gi+ 50% particle count and other settings, keep hating mate the console is coming for ya.

 

[DoctaThompson]

And where exactly is your proof? Aside from trust me dude™ Because Insane and Ultra Details is not the same thing, but since Xbox One X already run at 4k@60 (dynamic), I haven't hard time to believe that XSX run at 4k 60hz. Why would DF lied?

DF never said 4k @100fps. That is my proof. Nvidia would go under as a company if a $500 console could beat a gpu that costs literally 5x the price (RTX Titan). Also looking at history, AMD can't compete above mid tier gpu's with Nvidia. Nothing on the high end or enthusiast spectrum. So how would they suddenly beat every single gpu in existence, out of nowhere? Use common sense and logic for a second, and explain that to me. I mean you work with graphics and stuff, right? You should know lol

 

[DynamiteCop!]

The PlayStation 5 at its peak of 10.28 teraflops translates to 12.85 Teraflops GCN, up to a 7x increase in GPU compute over the PlayStation 4. For the Series X its 12.155 teraflops translates to 15.193 teraflops GCN, a 12x increase over the Xbox One.

That's just the GPU's, then comes the huge uptick in memory bandwidth, capacity, the CPU's being at least 4x faster plus the SSD's and you have some seriously powerful machines and capabilities.

You don't know what you're talking about OP.

 

[Shangounchained]

What would run out of ram faster, 16gb, or 43gb? I never run out of ram. Vram would run out before system memory....

Its npt 43gb games dont use system ram as vram 2080ti has 11gb of vram series x has 16gb, games consoles dont use windows os they arent made to do fax and printing the whole vram is solely to run games.

 

[Shangounchained]

DF never said 4k @100fps. That is my proof. Nvidia would go under as a company if a $500 console could beat a gpu that costs literally 5x the price (RTX Titan). Also looking at history, AMD can't compete above mid tier gpu's with Nvidia. Nothing on the high end or enthusiast spectrum. So how would they suddenly beat every single gpu in existence, out of nowhere? Use common sense and logic for a second, and explain that to me. I mean you work with graphics and stuff, right? You should know lol

Digital foundry did say 4k 100fpa you just didnt watch the whole video and theres more than one video about gears 5 series x from digital foundry.

Its called engineering the gpus inside this consoles arent just your regular gpus they are specificaly engineered for purpose every bit of them, when the x360 came out no pc gpu in the market could beat it do ur research

 

[Shangounchained]

The PlayStation 5 at its peak of 10.28 teraflops translates to 12.85 Teraflops GCN, up to a 7x increase in GPU compute over the PlayStation 4. For the Series X its 12.155 teraflops translates to 15.193 teraflops GCN, a 12x increase over the Xbox One.

That's just the GPU's, then comes the huge uptick in memory bandwidth, capacity, the CPU's being at least 4x faster plus the SSD's and you have some seriously powerful machines and capabilities.

You don't know what you're talking about OP.

Ram?

 

[DoctaThompson]

Boss you can keep on hating do flips around your room but its not changing the facts the series x is beating ur pc and their aint anything you can do yo change that, ultra settings plus raytraced gi+ 50% particle count and other settings, keep hating mate the console is coming for ya.

So.... Wanna make a bet and get a mod involved? I mean it would only be the right thing to do. I'm beyond confident that you have no clue what you are talking about, and can't even provide proof to a claim you made. So, let's make a bet. I'll give you my 16TF plus gpu, if Xbox series x can beat it in multiplatforms or first party titles. Framerate, resolution, texture quality, and the whole 9 yards. Let me know if you are down to lose.

Digital foundry did say 4k 100fpa you just didnt watch the whole video and theres more than one video about gears 5 series x from digital foundry.

Its called engineering the gpus inside this consoles arent just your regular gpus they are specificaly engineered for purpose every bit of them, when the x360 came out no pc gpu in the market could beat it do ur research

You must have poor memory. That is not true, nor did you provide proof for native 4k@100fps, everything maxed out. I don't get why this is so hard for you to do? I really don't want to keep going around in circles, so either put up or shut up about it.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Ram?

What about the RAM? There's twice as much with over double to triple the bandwidth and wider memory busses.

 

[MetalAlien]

Lucky for us games already look like 90s CGI or better. We just aren't going to get those huge leaps between consoles anymore.

I like all the ray tracing upgrades. I have waited patiently for that for over 20 years. I would even pay 100 bucks more or something if they had a separate GPU that does nothing but ray tracing BUT I know most people don't care about it as much.

 

[Shangounchained]

What about the RAM? There's twice as much with over double to triple the bandwidth and wider memory busses.

Its 2x normally its 16x, yes the io and data will be fast but i still feel the ram is starved imagine 8gb for poor mobile gpus and cpus current gen and only 16gb to feed 12tf it doesnt seem right its just not a wow factor.

 

[Shangounchained]

Lucky for us games already look like 90s CGI or better. We just aren't going to get those huge leaps between consoles anymore.

I like all the ray tracing upgrades. I have waited patiently for that for over 20 years. I would even pay 100 bucks more or something if they had a separate GPU that does nothing but ray tracing BUT I know most people don't care about it as much.

Thing is i 100% love seeing hardware run raytracing infact heres one



But normal rasterised tricks have gone ahead aswell and already look cgi so only thing remaining besides raytracing was proper cgi assets on the screen

 

[MetalAlien]

Thing is i 100% love seeing hardware run raytracing infact heres one



But normal rasterised tricks have gone ahead aswell and already look cgi so only thing remaining besides raytracing was proper cgi assets on the screen

It won't happen this gen but maybe fingers crossed next gen we will see the end of rasterised graphics and full ray tracing will be the norm. It will be amazing for the first generation of gamers to grow up thinking raster graphics are so "retro".

 

[M1chl]

DF never said 4k @100fps. That is my proof. Nvidia would go under as a company if a $500 console could beat a gpu that costs literally 5x the price (RTX Titan). Also looking at history, AMD can't compete above mid tier gpu's with Nvidia. Nothing on the high end or enthusiast spectrum. So how would they suddenly beat every single gpu in existence, out of nowhere? Use common sense and logic for a second, and explain that to me. I mean you work with graphics and stuff, right? You should know lol

Alright, I probably misread that from the video or rather waited till "4k" comes to play. So that's fail on my part.

However.

LInk

"They also showed off the opening cutscene, which now runs at 60 FPS in 4K (it was 30 FPS on Xbox One X)" Which, I would say it means that it runs on 4k/60 since X1X already run like that outside of the cutscenes. I don't think that it's too much to ask honestly, if X1X is half the theoretical power...

 

[Sosokrates]

Even at $499 more then 16gb of gddr6 is not feasible.
And the ssd will take the burden off.
I would not be surprised if the PS5 performs better then a PS5 with 32gb gddr6 and a HDD.

 

[Shangounchained]

So.... Wanna make a bet and get a mod involved? I mean it would only be the right thing to do. I'm beyond confident that you have no clue what you are talking about, and can't even provide proof to a claim you made. So, let's make a bet. I'll give you my 16TF plus gpu, if Xbox series x can beat it in multiplatforms or first party titles. Framerate, resolution, texture quality, and the whole 9 yards. Let me know if you are down to lose.


You must have poor memory. That is not true, nor did you provide proof for native 4k@100fps, everything maxed out. I don't get why this is so hard for you to do? I really don't want to keep going around in circles, so either put up or shut up about it.

Mate go do ur research, + the 2080ti isnt 16tf its 13tf and if you didnt know consoles always outperform equivalent pc hardware 2x with the same specs, so i suggest ur keep ur 16tf gpu cause next time ull have to give up ur cherry if u wont have anything to give.

 

[Shangounchained]

Even at $499 more then 16gb of gddr6 is not feasible.
And the ssd will take the burden off.
I would not be surprised if the PS5 performs better then a PS5 with 32gb gddr6 and a HDD.

I dont mean take the ssd of, nope the ssd is a revolution like no other basically what ms and sony are trying to portay is that the whole game runs inside ram meaning ssd as virtual ram and especially on the ps5 what youll see on screen will be 16gb but the other assets on thw scene out of the view will be already in the ssd its when u turn the camera and the other assets load quickly on ram to display another 16gb worth of assets so basically a scene could contain morw than 64gb of assets but im talking of whats on the frame not scene, its all extrememly impressive but i cant help but feel 16gb is a bit starved, considering 4k and other shared memory

 

[Shangounchained]

It won't happen this gen but maybe fingers crossed next gen we will see the end of rasterised graphics and full ray tracing will be the norm. It will be amazing for the first generation of gamers to grow up thinking raster graphics are so "retro".

Thing is its quite really hard remember we used to get 16x the memory now we get 2x we came from 200mhz cpu on ps3 to 3.2ghz cpu on ps3 and 360 now were still stuck with 3-4ghz cpus.

And the other thing is i feel developers will still prefer raster graphics even on next gen because they can get away with more effects amd data than they can with raytracing unless they are forced to, they will rather make a game looking like avatar using raster than raytrace it and make it look a bit less.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Mate go do ur research, + the 2080ti isnt 16tf its 13tf and if you didnt know consoles always outperform equivalent pc hardware 2x with the same specs, so i suggest ur keep ur 16tf gpu cause next time ull have to give up ur cherry if u wont have anything to give.

The 7800 gtx was better than Xbox 360.
Gears 5 did not benchmark 4k @100fps.
The rtx 2080 TI is over 16TF with sustain boost clocks.

Just like how ps5 can boost to 10TF. Anyone who works in graphics knows these basic facts. Then again YOU proved over and over, that you are wrong.

And again, why cop out? If you are so confident, why can't you make a bet? I never said you gotta give me anything if I lose the bet. So why are you so scared to bet me? Your mental gymnastics don't make sense, at all. Then again, neither does this thread, so I can't expect much from you....

 

[MetalAlien]

Thing is its quite really hard remember we used to get 16x the memory now we get 2x we came from 200mhz cpu on ps3 to 3.2ghz cpu on ps3 and 360 now were still stuck with 3-4ghz cpus.

And the other thing is i feel developers will still prefer raster graphics even on next gen because they can get away with more effects amd data than they can with raytracing unless they are forced to, they will rather make a game looking like avatar using raster than raytrace it and make it look a bit less.

I hope not. I feel they are really underestimating the appeal. I would be willing to buy a shit ton of old games if they were released with full RT support. Even PS1 games like Wipeout. Oh man Gran Turismo3 with full RT! Yes please!

 

[DESTROYA]

D DoctaThompson I think you broke S Shangounchained he‘s the flipped flopped about consoles like a fish out out water.

Boss you can keep on hating do flips around your room but its not changing the facts the series x is beating ur pc and their aint anything you can do yo change that, ultra settings plus raytraced gi+ 50% particle count and other settings, keep hating mate the console is coming for ya.

First it’s next gen consoles are going to suck because they don‘t have enough RAM then they are the best ever even better then high end PC’s. .....really OP? Makeup your mind lol

 

[DoctaThompson]

D DoctaThompson I think you broke S Shangounchained he‘s the flipped flopped about consoles like a fish out out water.



First it’s next gen consoles are going to suck because they don‘t have enough RAM then they are the best ever even better then high end PC’s. .....really OP? Makeup your mind lol

I think he broke himself lol. Xbox and ps5 will definitely be stronger than any consoles to date, but I doubt they will be 2x the performance of a $2500 gpu as he believes. Why pay 5x the price of a console, to get half the performance of said console? Lol wtfbbq?!

 

[TLZ]

You kinda have a point. At the end of the day they need to sell, and it's proven targeting a cheaper, consumer friendly price would give them that.

But what we have to give them credit for, is all the customization efforts they do on these systems to squeeze out the best they can.

Also, think of it this way: instead of you having to go buy all the components separately at retail price and costing you a fortune, possibly around $1500-$2000, they can get you the same parts at extremely cheaper prices AND build it for you in a nicer smaller form factor, all for $399-$499.

That's a great bargain

 

[Shangounchained]

D DoctaThompson I think you broke S Shangounchained he‘s the flipped flopped about consoles like a fish out out water.



First it’s next gen consoles are going to suck because they don‘t have enough RAM then they are the best ever even better then high end PC’s. .....really OP? Makeup your mind lol

There isnt enough ram thats where j stand pcs need enough memory to deal with the games on the market and its consoles that set what amount of memory is needed for the generation, im not looking next gen in the eyes of current gpus i expected more ram in consoles this way even pc gpus will evolve to the required memory, i wont be surprised if the rtx 3080 will have 16gb vram thats whats gonna happen period.

And secondly im not saying a series x ia better than a fully fledged gaming pc the argument here is swries x vs 2080ti and

 

[Lukin1978]

uhm... the PS4 and Xbox One exist.
terrible CPUs, 2 year old GPUs that were mid-range when they were released, so you can imagine what they were 2 years later...

wtf are you smoking?

No kidding do you remember the bitching about the specs of those at launch.

 

[Shangounchained]

You kinda have a point. At the end of the day they need to sell, and it's proven targeting a cheaper, consumer friendly price would give them that.

But what we have to give them credit for, is all the customization efforts they do on these systems to squeeze out the best they can.

Also, think of it this way: instead of you having to go buy all the internal components separately at retail price and costing you a fortune, possibly around $1500-$2000, they can get you the same parts at extremely cheaper prices AND build it for you in a nicer smaller form factor, all for $399-$499.

That's a great bargain

Its a great bargain but it sucks thag we wont have the enough quality we expected from next gen consoles there isnt enough wow factor. The ssd the tf its all good but 16gb sucks

 

[DoctaThompson]

Alright, I probably misread that from the video or rather waited till "4k" comes to play. So that's fail on my part.

However.

LInk

"They also showed off the opening cutscene, which now runs at 60 FPS in 4K (it was 30 FPS on Xbox One X)" Which, I would say it means that it runs on 4k/60 since X1X already run like that outside of the cutscenes. I don't think that it's too much to ask honestly, if X1X is half the theoretical power...

I would agree with this. 4k @60fps for xsx

There isnt enough ram thats where j stand pcs need enough memory to deal with the games on the market and its consoles that set what amount of memory is needed for the generation, im not looking next gen in the eyes of current gpus i expected more ram in consoles this way even pc gpus will evolve to the required memory, i wont be surprised if the rtx 3080 will have 16gb vram thats whats gonna happen period.

And secondly im not saying a series x ia better than a fully fledged gaming pc the argument here is swries x vs 2080ti and

*Face palm"

So if consoles set the precedence for PC, then why have PCs have SSDs for over 10 years, or why is 16gb of ram the standard for pc's for several years? I thought consoles dictate pc specs? What kinda shit are you smoking dude?!

 

[Shangounchained]

No kidding do you remember the bitching about the specs of those at launch.

There wasome vitching but dont get me wrong nobody expected 8gb vram everybody expected 4gb maximum and nobody believed it that the ps4 was 8gb 1.8tf and when they showed killzone nobody believed it at all, when they showed uncharted 4 and the order everybody died.

 

[M1chl]

*Face palm"

So if consoles set the precedence for PC, then why have PCs have SSDs

Why am I quoted in here? I did not say anything about SSD.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Why am I quoted in here? I did not say anything about SSD.

My bad i hit reply on accident before finishing. It's fixed now

 

[DESTROYA]

Its a great bargain but it sucks thag we wont have the enough quality we expected from next gen consoles there isnt enough wow factor. The ssd the tf its all good but 16gb sucks

I think most people will be totally fine with the quality of next gen games, maybe your personal expectations are set to high.