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[sainraja]

I keep going back and forth about whether or not I should jump in right away for the next generation. Whatever I decide, I'll most likely start with PlayStation but will get both. It is pretty much a tradition now for me.

 

[SoraNoKuni]

The launch lineup will probably affect this a lot.
If Sony drops a good launch title that is, which I doubt.

 

[Deeper Underground]

Digital didn't really take off until this generation.

Which is why this was the worst generation for MS to shit the bed in. Giving Sony such a commanding market share as well as letting them make so much money in one FY from digital sales and services, they made more money than you and Nintendo’s game divisions combined? Not good at all.

 

[IYAOYAS2019]

I'll stick with my PC. If anything I will purchase a Switch or whatever Nintendo brings out next.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Will eventually own both but day one is all about Xbox Series X and in 2023, PlayStation 5 Pro.

 

[odhiex]

I want both.

However, I may be ended up buying that 10.28 TF console first, and then build a gaming PC.

 

[-Arcadia-]

I'm really surprised to see that kind of ratio in favor of what appears to be the weaker system by a significant margin, both on IGN and here.

I'd expect that if the PS5 were significantly cheaper, and/or we were surveying casuals (maybe we are with IGN?), but it's odd to see passionate gamers, usually obsessed with every drop of performance, willingly cast that aside with what we know at the moment.

These consoles have 99% the same games, so if you're an enthusiast, why not go to the console with the best versions? I don't buy that an SSD faster than one that loads unoptimized games in six seconds, or a record of some stratospherically-overrated-but-good games are the difference maker here.

I suspect a lot of brand loyalty in play, or residual brand loyalty.

It'll be interesting to see if the trend changes in time (in-depth looks at games, comparisons, time for the spec info to soak in) , or plays out to the masses. Microsoft might have more work to do than thought.

 

[-Arcadia-]

They didn’t leave, they were forcibly removed.

Apparantly they moderate by reports and team blue loves smashing the button.

Team green needs to use that report button more. Stop turning the other cheek when they are baiting you into bans.

I think for too long, Xbox players got used to playing against each other and we let it all slide.

Now they have entire discord’s planned out and reply to try to bait people into bans, and that kind of shit has to stop.

It shouldn’t be about trying to get the other team banned, it should be about all gamers enjoying our time in games.

This isn't healthy thinking, Kagey. If your only tool is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail, and similarly, if all you see is 'war' and sides, that too skews your perspective and actions.

The fact is that based on what I've seen of Gaf moderation, the only people that get banned, deserve it. That's regardless of any secret Discord groups (condemnable, I agree), or reporting ratios.

Act right, and you aren't going to have a problem.

 

[mejin]

I'm really surprised to see that kind of ratio in favor of what appears to be the weaker system by a significant margin, both on IGN and here.

I'd expect that if the PS5 were significantly cheaper, and/or we were surveying casuals (maybe we are with IGN?), but it's odd to see passionate gamers, usually obsessed with every drop of performance, willingly cast that aside with what we know at the moment.

These consoles have 99% the same games, so if you're an enthusiast, why not go to the console with the best versions? I don't buy that an SSD faster than one that loads unoptimized games in six seconds, or a record of some stratospherically-overrated-but-good games are the difference maker here.

I suspect a lot of brand loyalty in play, or residual brand loyalty.

It'll be interesting to see if the trend changes in time (in-depth looks at games, comparisons, time for the spec info to soak in) , or plays out to the masses. Microsoft might have more work to do than thought.

DAT 1% is more important than you think.

 

[-Arcadia-]

DAT 1% is more important than you think.

Maybe so.

Just in my personal experience, I picked the PS4, and I haven't been exceptionally compelled to pick up Sony's games all generation (Detroit and Death Stranding were very cool, though), although I admit that they're a nice value-add and give the system its own flavor. Xbox, for example, feels a bit more generic in comparison.

 

[SupremeHoodie]

Makes sense, Europe (Aside from UK) and Asia don’t buy Xbox consoles normally.

 

[Rightisright]

That seems about right. MS will need the exclusives now to give people a reason to buy the XSX over PS5, or for PS5 players to also get the XSX.
Both companies can win. Sure Sony may well 100 million, but if Xbox sells 70-80 million XSX, they will be stocked and the money will role in.

 

[SupremeHoodie]

I think all Xbox can hope for is to re gain some of their lost customers in North America and the UK. The PlayStation brand is too powerful everywhere else in the world.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

They didn’t leave, they were forcibly removed.

Apparantly they moderate by reports and team blue loves smashing the button.

You need to stop man.

 

[HarryKS]

Those mean nothing. Those peeps are broke.

 

[sendit]

I'm really surprised to see that kind of ratio in favor of what appears to be the weaker system by a significant margin, both on IGN and here.

I'd expect that if the PS5 were significantly cheaper, and/or we were surveying casuals (maybe we are with IGN?), but it's odd to see passionate gamers, usually obsessed with every drop of performance, willingly cast that aside with what we know at the moment.

These consoles have 99% the same games, so if you're an enthusiast, why not go to the console with the best versions? I don't buy that an SSD faster than one that loads unoptimized games in six seconds, or a record of some stratospherically-overrated-but-good games are the difference maker here.

I suspect a lot of brand loyalty in play, or residual brand loyalty.

It'll be interesting to see if the trend changes in time (in-depth looks at games, comparisons, time for the spec info to soak in) , or plays out to the masses. Microsoft might have more work to do than thought.

Brand perception is a real thing. They may have ~99% of the the same games, however they don't have the same exclusives. Exclusives are what make a console standout.

If I wanted the best version of the same game, I would get it on PC.

 

[thismeinteil]

Only reason PS4 sold so much this gen is because MS had the biggest fuck up. Goes both ways.

And absolutely everything you said in this post can also apply to MS so not sure what your point is..?

Except, no it doesn't. XBO's worst mistake, DRM, was erased before it even launched. It's 2nd mistake, price, was erased less than a year from launch. Sony had to deal with PS3's mistakes for nearly half the gen.

The truth remains, Xbox has yet to win a gen. It barely made it to 2nd place in its first go around, only beating the GC by 2M units, and was utterly destroyed by the PS2. For the 360, Xbox at its best lost to PS at its worst, and came in last that gen. How do you really think next gen is going to play out?

 

[ZehDon]

Will eventually own both but day one is all about Xbox Series X and in 2023, PlayStation 5 Pro.

This. Best version of third party games, plus Game Pass, is a deal I can’t pass up. Because I’m also very keen on PSVR2 when it eventually launches, pairing it with a PS5Pro just makes more sense.
If Microsoft can truly bring an A Grade launch line up, they should be able to compete. But I’m under no illusions - the PS4 basically has this entire generation to itself, so of course there’s going to be amazing excitement for the PS5, and I expect it to be the sales leader.

 

[Psykodad]

I'm really surprised to see that kind of ratio in favor of what appears to be the weaker system by a significant margin, both on IGN and here.

I'd expect that if the PS5 were significantly cheaper, and/or we were surveying casuals (maybe we are with IGN?), but it's odd to see passionate gamers, usually obsessed with every drop of performance, willingly cast that aside with what we know at the moment.

These consoles have 99% the same games, so if you're an enthusiast, why not go to the console with the best versions? I don't buy that an SSD faster than one that loads unoptimized games in six seconds, or a record of some stratospherically-overrated-but-good games are the difference maker here.

I suspect a lot of brand loyalty in play, or residual brand loyalty.

It'll be interesting to see if the trend changes in time (in-depth looks at games, comparisons, time for the spec info to soak in) , or plays out to the masses. Microsoft might have more work to do than thought.

That's Playstation for ya. I don't see a reason to be surprised, Playstation is a far stronger brand than Xbox will ever be. Despite this being brushed off as fanboy talk, it's just a fact.

And regarding games, it's pretty much 90% of Xbox games also available on Playstation, but vice versa it's prabably 75%.

 

[LazyParrot]

These consoles have 99% the same games, so if you're an enthusiast, why not go to the console with the best versions?

I don't think all that many people are that obsessed with getting the best experience possible for these games, and the few who are will just play on PC.

I suspect a lot of brand loyalty in play, or residual brand loyalty.

That, and most people probably aren't willing to leave the game collection and friends they've made on PS4 behind just because the competition has 2 more flippity flops this time around.

 

[Jesb]

PS5. Wouldn’t even matter what the specs were.

 

[Paracelsus]

I don't give a * about any of Sony's first party titles, so it all comes down to those who own the most third party absolute (no PC) exclusives.
I expect them to have like 3 games each under those conditions.

 

[Malcolm9]

I have to laugh at people calling the PS5 weak or inferior, the difference is negligible at best, even smaller than the difference between the X and Pro.

Both consoles will be amazing, but the brand name and top tier exclusives will always mean Playstation sells much better worldwide than the Xbox.

 

[Self High Five]

The launch lineup will probably affect this a lot.
If Sony drops a good launch title that is, which I doubt.

The launch lineup will be identical since third parties dominate both.

Out of the 150 million+ consoles sold between both Sony & MS, they only need a fraction of the userbase at launch and there is definitely a loud minority from both sides that have already decided. They'll sell as much as their able to produce in the first three months.

Late Q2 & start of Q3 is when the separation will start in sales.

 

[Alphagear]

Gap will be wider outside USA and UK.

PS5 for me only unless Xbox gets a decent exclusive.

Got the OG xbox for Halo and Panzer dragoon orta and 360 for JRPGs like Lost oddysey.

Didnt get the xbox one cause no standout games and dont plan on xsx if things remain the same.

 

[The Pleasure]

Get a PS5 and buy another gaming pc. What do I need the Xbox for? Those SERIOUS PC exclusives that are damn near day and date with the PC?

 

[SuperLupeRap]

Except, no it doesn't. XBO's worst mistake, DRM, was erased before it even launched. It's 2nd mistake, price, was erased less than a year from launch. Sony had to deal with PS3's mistakes for nearly half the gen.

The truth remains, Xbox has yet to win a gen. It barely made it to 2nd place in its first go around, only beating the GC by 2M units, and was utterly destroyed by the PS2. For the 360, Xbox at its best lost to PS at its worst, and came in last that gen. How do you really think next gen is going to play out?

Oh okay so all those monumental fuck ups had no impact on XBO sales ? Okay I obviously cant take anything you say seriously.

Also PS2 launched 1 year before the Xbox.... That also had no impact on sales right ?

So only when Sony fucks up it counts, and only when Xbox launches 1 year earlier it explains why they did so well...

Also we have no official numbers of how many units the 360 sold at the end as MS stopped reporting at 85 million. The consensus is that it was pretty much a tie. Only Sony fanboys pretend like Sony won that gen. Just like how they are pretending now that a fast SSD makes up for a crap CPH/GPU/RAM combination. It's a Sony fanboy thing to live in delusional land.

Actually the consensus is that the 360 dominated that gen, was the most popular and lead platform for développement but you'll never admit it.

Hey man, if you want to live in your dream world that's all good with me really

 

[T-Cake]

Why do I feel the need to buy an Xbox One right now? I just need to resist for another six months.

 

[ZywyPL]

Brand perception is a real thing. They may have ~99% of the the same games, however they don't have the same exclusives. Exclusives are what make a console standout.

Except Sony had literally zero worthy exclusives until halfway of the generation when UC4 showed up, then HZD and GT, and so on, first 3 years were filled with literally nothing but cross-gens, remasters, and indie ports. But PS4 was selling like hotcakes from day one, so clearly not because of its (lack of) exclusives, it was all about that 399$ price tag.

In a similar fashion, no one was interested in PS3 despite how strong PS2 ended, with most of Playstation's iconic/legendary series still being around, that were obviously getting their next installments on the PS3, people simply turn their backs away just like that for 100$ cheaper X360, that even already had a paid online.

Long story short, price > everything else. Exclusives are thing of the past, one AAA 1st party title per year won't make majority of customers want to pay any extra. Statistics don't like, CoD, BF, GTA, Fifaetc., those are the most played games, on a daily basis even, whoever offers the cheaper box that allows to play those games wins, while exclusives are just a nice bonus.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

I buy PS5 or XSX console year 2021.

 

[El Sueño]

PS5 and PC is the way to go, guys.

 

[Psykodad]

Except Sony had literally zero worthy exclusives until halfway of the generation when UC4 showed up, then HZD and GT, and so on, first 3 years were filled with literally nothing but cross-gens, remasters, and indie ports. But PS4 was selling like hotcakes from day one, so clearly not because of its (lack of) exclusives, it was all about that 399$ price tag.

In a similar fashion, no one was interested in PS3 despite how strong PS2 ended, with most of Playstation's iconic/legendary series still being around, that were obviously getting their next installments on the PS3, people simply turn their backs away just like that for 100$ cheaper X360, that even already had a paid online.

Long story short, price > everything else. Exclusives are thing of the past, one AAA 1st party title per year won't make majority of customers want to pay any extra. Statistics don't like, CoD, BF, GTA, Fifaetc., those are the most played games, on a daily basis even, whoever offers the cheaper box that allows to play those games wins, while exclusives are just a nice bonus.

Launch:
Killzone Shadowfall

2014:
Infamous Second Son, MLB 14, Driveclub, FF XIV ARR, LBP3

2015:
Bloodborne, Until Dawn, The Order 1886, FF XIV Heavensward

2016:
SFV, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian

The big exclusive titles for the first 3 years of PS4.
Whether or not you like all of them is irrelevant, those are already far more than your claim of only Uncharted 4 and then HZD.

Along with 3rd party titles and smaller exclusive titles, that's quite a solid and diverse library of games.

At the end of the day, games sell consoles.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Oh okay so all those monumental fuck ups had no impact on XBO sales ? Okay I obviously cant take anything you say seriously.

Also PS2 launched 1 year before the Xbox.... That also had no impact on sales right ?

So only when Sony fucks up it counts, and only when Xbox launches 1 year earlier it explains why they did so well...

Also we have no official numbers of how many units the 360 sold at the end as MS stopped reporting at 85 million. The consensus is that it was pretty much a tie. Only Sony fanboys pretend like Sony won that gen. Just like how they are pretending now that a fast SSD makes up for a crap CPH/GPU/RAM combination. It's a Sony fanboy thing to live in delusional land.

Actually the consensus is that the 360 dominated that gen, was the most popular and lead platform for développement but you'll never admit it.

Hey man, if you want to live in your dream world that's all good with me really

The point is that Microsoft's fuckups with the XB1 were fixable immediately. Sony's fuckup with the PS3 was impossible to fix because that would mean completely redesigning the console which would be unfeasible.

As someone pointed out, this generation was the worst gen for MS to fuck up on because digital sales rose substantially. That also means consumers have locked considerable amounts of money behind ecosystems. This ends up disincentivizing migration because that would mean the products they invested in become worthless.

As much excitement as there is with MS ramping up studio acquisitions and 1st party development, this is also a "What have you done lately for me" industry. Look at what the PS4 is getting this year. Persona 5 Royal, Nioh 2, and FFVII Remake are out. TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima are coming out later. That reputation of providing a platform with a high unique value proposition doesn't reset going into the next generation.

Also, EEDGAR which has access to sales data from sources like NPD, had the PS3 over the 360 in WW sales.

 

[MasterCornholio]

As someone pointed out, this generation was the worst gen for MS to fuck up on because digital sales rose substantially. That also means consumers have locked considerable amounts of money behind ecosystems. This ends up disincentivizing migration because that would mean the products they invested in become worthless.

Also the reason why Sony is pushing BC so hard with the PS5. Now you can bring your games over from the previous generation. It will also lower the cost of entry for some people because they will sell the old console off.

 

[Vawn]

So 80% of GAF is planning to get PS5. These things are going to be a bitch to find.

 

[jeffyjaixx]

PS5, their exclusives cater more to my tastes. I can play all the Xbox exclusives if I want on my PC.

 

[thismeinteil]

Oh okay so all those monumental fuck ups had no impact on XBO sales ? Okay I obviously cant take anything you say seriously.

Also PS2 launched 1 year before the Xbox.... That also had no impact on sales right ?

So only when Sony fucks up it counts, and only when Xbox launches 1 year earlier it explains why they did so well...

Also we have no official numbers of how many units the 360 sold at the end as MS stopped reporting at 85 million. The consensus is that it was pretty much a tie. Only Sony fanboys pretend like Sony won that gen. Just like how they are pretending now that a fast SSD makes up for a crap CPH/GPU/RAM combination. It's a Sony fanboy thing to live in delusional land.

Actually the consensus is that the 360 dominated that gen, was the most popular and lead platform for développement but you'll never admit it.

Hey man, if you want to live in your dream world that's all good with me really

While the XBO fuckups didn't help, they didn't have nearly the same impact as the PS3's. Those could not have been fixed before launch. What hurt MS the most was not them screwing up, but Sony coming back big. And they didn't just start with PS4, like MS is attempting with XBX. They started in 2009 with the PS3. They dropped the price to $299, pushed it hard with advertising and great exclusives. This gen, MS has done the opposite. If a gen isn't going their way, they basically give up and start getting ready for next gen. They did it with the OG Xbox. The last year or two of the 360's lifetime. And now half the gen with the XBO. There's no wonder quite a few gamers have lost confidence in them.

And Dreamcast launched 1 year before the PS2. And two years before the Xbox and Gamecube. What's your point? I guess in your mind that should guarantee victory? Hmm, are you saying the only reason 360 had a chance is because it launched a year early? I guess XBX doesn't have a shot in Hell then.

MS stopped reporting because there was nothing to report. Their console sales dried up as NA/UK quickly transitioned to PS4/XBO in 2015 and beyond, while the PS3 still sold in EU and Japan. There were some months that the amount that 360 won by in NPD was completely undone by a week of PS3 sales in Japan. And for the entire gen, PS3 only lost 2 years in WW sales to 360. 2006 and 2008. 2007, 2009-2012 PS3 won. So, no 360 wasn't the most popular. Only in the US and UK did it have any real sales advantage. No matter how you wish to cut it, Xbox's best lost to Sony's worst. If it makes you feel any better it was by <5M units.

Lol, so PS5 has a crap CPU, GPU, and RAM, now? Oh, boy. Talk about not being able to take anything you say seriously.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

While the XBO fuckups didn't help, they didn't have nearly the same impact as the PS3's. Those could not have been fixed before launch. What hurt MS the most was not them screwing up, but Sony coming back big. And they didn't just start with PS4, like MS is attempting with XBX. They started in 2009 with the PS3. They dropped the price to $299, pushed it hard with advertising and great exclusives. This gen, MS has done the opposite. If a gen isn't going their way, they basically give up and start getting ready for next gen. They did it with the OG Xbox. The last year or two of the 360's lifetime. And now half the gen with the XBO. There's no wonder quite a few gamers have lost confidence in them.

And Dreamcast launched 1 year before the PS2. And two years before the Xbox and Gamecube. What's your point? I guess in your mind that should guarantee victory? Hmm, are you saying the only reason 360 had a chance is because it launched a year early? I guess XBX doesn't have a shot in Hell then.

MS stopped reporting because there was nothing to report. Their console sales dried up as NA/UK quickly transitioned to PS4/XBO in 2015 and beyond, while the PS3 still sold in EU and Japan. There were some months that the amount that 360 won by in NPD was completely undone by a week of PS3 sales in Japan. And for the entire gen, PS3 only lost 2 years in WW sales to 360. 2006 and 2008. 2007, 2009-2012 PS3 won. So, no 360 wasn't the most popular. Only in the US and UK did it have any real sales advantage. No matter how you wish to cut it, Xbox's best lost to Sony's worst. If it makes you feel any better it was by <5M units.

Lol, so PS5 has a crap CPU, GPU, and RAM, now? Oh, boy. Talk about not being able to take anything you say seriously.

Okay so you've reached the point where you're talking straight up BS + making up stuff. So I think it's better we leave it at that

 

[thismeinteil]

Okay so you've reached the point where you're talking straight up BS + making up stuff. So I think it's better we leave it at that ✌

In other words, you have no rebuttal. But, you are right, quit while you are behind. Fun debate, though.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

In other words, you have no rebuttal. But, you are right, quit while you are behind. Fun debate, though.

A wise man said "never argue with a fool". Not saying you're a fool but basically it means don't argue with people you feel are making zero sense. It's a waste of time and energy.

Just the fact that you think launching a console at 600$ (PS3) is worse than the absolute trainwreck that the DRM/no used games/more expensive but weaker/kinect mandatory/worse PR ever Xbox One was at reveal means we don't see things in the same light, which is fine

 

[The Mad Draklor]

A wise man said "never argue with a fool". Not saying you're a fool but basically it means don't argue with people you feel are making zero sense. It's a waste of time and energy.

Just the fact that you think launching a console a 600$ is worse than the trainwreck that the Xbox One was at reveal means we don't see things in the same light, which is fine

If you're reliant on catchphrases rather than actual arguments, then that says a lot about how well your claims hold up to scrutiny. The ad nauseam fallacy in your 2nd paragraph doesn't help either when the rebuttal was already presented to you and you never actually addressed it. A fuckup that can be fixed in less than a year is easier to recover from than a fuckup that you have to deal with all generation.

 

[SupremeHoodie]

I have to laugh at people calling the PS5 weak or inferior, the difference is negligible at best, even smaller than the difference between the X and Pro.

Both consoles will be amazing, but the brand name and top tier exclusives will always mean Playstation sells much better worldwide than the Xbox.

The difference is bigger than the launch Xbox and ps4 and if you remember back then during that first year or two every single game that came out had texture and resolution comparisons (720p for Xbox and 900p for ps4).

this combined with the fact that the Xbox was a more expensive console at launch while being weaker killed its market share in regions it traditionally didn’t have a problem in in the generation before (USA, Canada, uk, Mexico, Brazil).

so yes, at launch it will matter for Xbox to be the more powerful console. Especially in those specific regions where people actually buyXbox consoles.

 

[Ascend]

Except, no it doesn't. XBO's worst mistake, DRM, was erased before it even launched. It's 2nd mistake, price, was erased less than a year from launch. Sony had to deal with PS3's mistakes for nearly half the gen.

The truth remains, Xbox has yet to win a gen. It barely made it to 2nd place in its first go around, only beating the GC by 2M units, and was utterly destroyed by the PS2. For the 360, Xbox at its best lost to PS at its worst, and came in last that gen. How do you really think next gen is going to play out?

Actually, it is unclear who won the PS3 vs X360 in terms of hardware sales. I think it's quite clear that the X360 won the software sales. If you factor in the RROD, no one can really call the X360 a losing console.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

This. Best version of third party games, plus Game Pass, is a deal I can’t pass up. Because I’m also very keen on PSVR2 when it eventually launches, pairing it with a PS5Pro just makes more sense.
If Microsoft can truly bring an A Grade launch line up, they should be able to compete. But I’m under no illusions - the PS4 basically has this entire generation to itself, so of course there’s going to be amazing excitement for the PS5, and I expect it to be the sales leader.

Gamepass is probably the main system seller to me. Jumped in when Gears 5 came out and I've never played so many video games in my life.

 

[Vawn]

Okay so you've reached the point where you're talking straight up BS + making up stuff. So I think it's better we leave it at that

Except everything he said was right.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

Except everything he said was right.

Coming from you lol. That's like a North Korean giving his views on North Korean politics.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Coming from you lol. That's like a North Korean giving his views on North Korean politics.

That's a rather accurate description of yourself.

 

[Jaxx_377]

My son was born 1.5 years into this console generation and my gaming time has been decimated. So I have a huge PS4 Backlog and if those games are palayble on PS5 Along with staying within a familiar ecosystem and continueing with familiar franchises I just dont see any reason to switch. I also know I probably wont have enought time to support playing on 2 consoles so I am sticking with PS5.

 

[jonnyp]

Sony fanboys are by far more vocal and active on social medias than Xbox fanboys, it's not surprising.
With that said PS5 will probably sell more regardless, their exclusives just pander super hard to '' normies '' and they have a lot of big franchises under their belt.

Facepalm.

 

[LazyParrot]

With that said PS5 will probably sell more regardless, their exclusives just pander super hard to '' normies '' and they have a lot of big franchises under their belt.

They all try to pander "super hard" to normies. It's just that Microsoft started this generation convinced that those normies wanted to use their consoles to watch TV. Then, after realizing normies liked games after all, they spent the rest of it thinking those games were Halo, Gears and Forza. Let's see if they've learned their lesson.