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[thelastword]

I doubt this seriously, art is about preference and style and Sony has it in spades. If anybody is able, I'd point at Ninja Theory or maybe Playground. Plus Sony is stepping it up already even before the gen starts. Although, admittedly Ghosts of Tsushima looked a bit dialed back last time they showed it. I was kinda willing to shrug it off as ok it's still needs polish...but the date is getting close.






Just for comparison.

Don't think Ninja Theory can do so, don't forget they had access to Sony's animation studios, ICE and so much more for Heavenly Sword...…..No need to worry about Tsushima, it will be in the top two best looking games released this year, the other being TLOU2...….The wide vistas and animation alone puts it in top 5 this whole gen....

They did it with Halo and Gears, back when they had powerful consoles.

Now they are back on the powerful menu, so they have the potential to deliver another breakthrough IP.

Gears never touched UC1 in visuals, go play both again on a PS3 and 360 respectively and you will see......UC1 was better than Gears in world visuals, character visuals, animation, physics and texturing...…..Resistance 1 glass and snow remember that, the jaggie Halo 3 with low rez textures, hideous characters had no claim on Resistance 1 with the enemy characters, the bosses, the guns and their detail...….Then we get to KZ2 and RFOM3 and there's was nothing close from there....Are you sure you remembered that gen...?

Also, do you 343 does not have the chops that Bungie had, relative to art and design......MS has garnered lots of AA and indie studios and they have already said they are targeting next gen below AAA and for gamepass and all their platforms......If it can run properly on XBONES, it defeats being ambitious......

 

[johnjohn]

Don't think Ninja Theory can do so, don't forget they had access to Sony's animation studios, ICE and so much more for Heavenly Sword...…..No need to worry about Tsushima, it will be in the top two best looking games released this year, the other being TLOU2...….The wide vistas and animation alone puts it in top 5 this whole gen....


Gears never touched UC1 in visuals, go play both again on a PS3 and 360 respectively and you will see......UC1 was better than Gears in world visuals, character visuals, animation, physics and texturing...…..Resistance 1 glass and snow remember that, the jaggie Halo 3 with low rez textures, hideous characters had no claim on Resistance 1 with the enemy characters, the bosses, the guns and their detail...….Then we get to KZ2 and RFOM3 and there's was nothing close from there....Are you sure you remembered that gen...?

Also, do you 343 does not have the chops that Bungie had, relative to art and design......MS has garnered lots of AA and indie studios and they have already said they are targeting next gen below AAA and for gamepass and all their platforms......If it can run properly on XBONES, it defeats being ambitious......

Lol.

 

[thelastword]

A price match is ok. They'd have to undercut them on price to really make a dent like they did with 360 and that was $200

Even then that might be hard...Don't forget, there was a 54% defect rate for the 360.....Some people rebought their console 13 times.....Hardcore XBOX fans indeed...As they've shown in the recent ramblings in the next gen thread recently....

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

PS5 - 9.2 (sometimes)
Xbox SeX - 12.2 (always) + 1TF last minute speedbump + power of the cloud =15TF
-----------------------------------------
Xbox - mininmum 6 more tflops

Proof?

 

[Gavon West]

I doubt this seriously, art is about preference and style and Sony has it in spades. If anybody is able, I'd point at Ninja Theory or maybe Playground. Plus Sony is stepping it up already even before the gen starts. Although, admittedly Ghosts of Tsushima looked a bit dialed back last time they showed it. I was kinda willing to shrug it off as ok it's still needs polish...but the date is getting close.






Just for comparison.

I personally think things will be much closer in style. If Microsoft only had 343i, Turn 10 and TC, you may be right. Sony's stable of developers would handidly beat XGS in visuals. But with the new studios and new hires (alot ex Sony devs) I think things will be much more evenly matched this time around. Time will tell...

 

[grfunkulus]

lol What the hell are you even taking about? How did you managed to throw Nintendo into a conversation that didn’t even include them? Then you went on some tangent about Don Mattrick even though One X came out a year after Pro and was advertised as the most powerful thing since sliced bread and then you talked about Pro not being cooled? Might want to not throw strawmen into your argument next time and instead address the main point.

the main point is you made a dumbass snarky remark that doesn't pass muster as an actual argument. What the fuck were you even referring to if not the OG Xbox as being superior hardware and lagging far behind in sales? Except that was a drastically different situation. As was the next time Xbox had superior hardware.

 

[Chiggs]

How have Sony fanboys become such reality-denying losers? Xbots were the worst for the longest time.

What a strange year 2020 is.

 

[Jon Neu]

Lol.

It's thelastword, he never dissappoints.

 

[Rolling_Start]

Even then that might be hard...Don't forget, there was a 54% defect rate for the 360.....Some people rebought their console 13 times.....Hardcore XBOX fans indeed...As they've shown in the recent ramblings in the next gen thread recently....

Well, that sucks. But at least they were re-buying a console that was empirically faster than the PS3 in games.

Sometimes people put up with crap to enjoy the best platform.

Kinda like how PS4 owners put up with turbo hoover sounds from their under-engineered cooling systems to enjoy having a better overall experience than the X1 owners.

 

[sendit]

Let's use the same technique by cyber69
0.3TF Nintendo Switch vs 4.2TF PS4pro

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Agreed. Great post BTW. Adding this so all three current gen consoles are taken in to account:

It's amazing what developers have accomplished with a variable .3 Teraflop machine.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Of course he would feel better. He could see that the competition had released a much weaker console with a CPU and GPU that isn't even able to operate at the max frequency at the same time. Additionally, Sony went for a high clock speed which pushed their GPU into a zone in which a ton of heat is produced.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Agreed. Great post BTW. Adding this so all three current gen consoles are taken in to account:

It's amazing what developers have accomplished with a variable .3 Teraflop machine.

TFLOPS are going to matter the most when it comes to making a game look truly photorealistic. As long as a game is stylized, the PS4 Pro or XBox One X is more than enough.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

How can it be a disappointment if it hasn't come out yet?

Price Vs Performance - it's not possible to have both without incurring losses.

>When Phil finds out about the unnannounced secret sauce features hidden deep inside the DualShock 5

It will have an SSD in it.

 

[Darlingcognito]

Sure, Sony developers might go for graphics over all other videogame attributes - whatever floats your boat. It's all gloss and no substance. Sony Developers can't service my needs - they don't do RTS, 4x Strategy or Shared World Experiences. The most mono-fucking-dimensional developer there is. Must be such a conundrum for you - 'Why, oh why can't these PC/Xbox users see the light and praise almighty Sony Developers'. Fuck outta here with the Sony Developers schtick.

Nailed it.

 

[Deeper Underground]

the main point is you made a dumbass snarky remark that doesn't pass muster as an actual argument. What the fuck were you even referring to if not the OG Xbox as being superior hardware and lagging far behind in sales? Except that was a drastically different situation. As was the next time Xbox had superior hardware.

lol Ignored.

 

[grfunkulus]

lol Ignored.

Butthurt

 

[CLW]

He won the spec battle but undoubtedly lose the console war again. Only way MS wins is if Sony royally screws up like RROD or prices it higher than xsex

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Of course! Who cares? It's like having an 18% bigger cock, but not scoring.

I cant breathe

 

[longdi]

Sounds like got the CEOs approval to price match Sony as I suspected with his comments earlier about not being out of line in price or power.

Like i said, only price Sony can sell PS5 is $399. Any more and they will be in trouble.

Phil team is totally determined to win over core gamers. You can see how they slowly but surely leveling up over the years.

Sadly Mark Sony seem to ignore the warning signs and what we have is PS5.

 

[longdi]

Casual but determined Phil. timestamp.

Team Xbox already won over the media with their transparency, clear words, clear demos.

This is big.

The more sneaky silence Sony choose to play, the faster more will turn against them.

 

[Kagey K]

He said a year ago he thought they over engineered it and he was right. They thought Sony was going to shoot for the moon again, so they did too.

Hopefully it pays off for them, because I know it pays off for me as a consumer.

If anyone lags behind this gen, it will be their own self doing.

 

[lepermessiah]

Eh

 

[SLB1904]

That time Tflops mattered.

They never matter. People didnt bought ps4 over xbone because tf.
Xbone is a trash console that was more expensive bundled with a shit Kinect. 24 hour bullshit always online.
Wake up

 

[RiccochetJ]

They never matter. People didnt bought ps4 over xbone because tf.
Xbone is a trash console that was more expensive bundled with a shit Kinect. 24 hour bullshit always online.
Wake up

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition was 60fps on PS4 and 30fps on XB1.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Casual but determined Phil. timestamp.

Team Xbox already won over the media with their transparency, clear words, clear demos.

This is big.

The more sneaky silence Sony choose to play, the faster more will turn against them.

Some of the media, U.S. and U.K. based, was the one predicting PS4 would fail and trying to make excuses about Xbox One strategy and how people were not ready for it hence the backlash and let’s not forget the words about not looking into PS4’s early sales, minimising the differences amongst the consoles graphically (or shifting to talk about the controller or Xbox LIVE).

XSX is certainly being built better, it has numbers that are easier to market, and will sell far better than Xbox One, but you are over selling it here IMHO.

 

[SLB1904]

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition was 60fps on PS4 and 30fps on XB1.

It was never 60 on ps4. Again ps4 was cheaper. Power is not everything.
Xbox needs to be cheaper than ps5 to have any chance.

 

[Three]

No, it isn't.

The difference between the 360 and the PS3 was. And even in those days the Sony fans were claiming a ”clear” difference between the two.

And now the difference is much bigger, but in the Xbox favor this time.

The theoretical difference in total gflops between the PS3 and xbox 360 was actually greater but the 360 showed that it isn't all about gflops. 360 had a much lower gflop value due to the CPU but this didn't translate to better PS3 games.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

It was never 60 on ps4. Again ps4 was cheaper. Power is not everything.
Xbox needs to be cheaper than ps5 to have any chance.

Actually it was, it had a 60 FPS cap on PS4 and 30 FPS cap on Xbox One.

The more you know.

 

[SLB1904]

Actually it was, it had a 60 FPS cap on PS4 and 30 FPS cap on Xbox One.

The more you know.

I really dont call that mess 60fps to be honest. I know where you come in from but nope thsts not 60fps

 

[longdi]

Some of the media, U.S. and U.K. based, was the one predicting PS4 would fail and trying to make excuses about Xbox One strategy and how people were not ready for it hence the backlash and let’s not forget the words about not looking into PS4’s early sales, minimising the differences amongst the consoles graphically (or shifting to talk about the controller or Xbox LIVE).

XSX is certainly being built better, it has numbers that are easier to market, and will sell far better than Xbox One, but you are over selling it here IMHO.

What? The media ripped Xbox one apart when the truth was out.
Even MS execs trying to spin afterwards, got ridculed and meme'd by media and forums.

Thats why i say, Sony better start showing truth bombs asap, instead of trying words their way around. The internet media is very scary to try and fool these day.
If you built a weaker console, just say it out proudly and price it as proper.

 

[Kagey K]

What? The media ripped Xbox one apart when the truth was out.
Even MS execs trying to spin afterwards, got ridculed and meme'd by media and forums.

Thats why i say, Sony better start showing truth bombs asap, instead of trying words their way around. The internet media is very scary to try and fool these day.
If you built a weaker console, just say it out proudly and price it as proper.

Stop spreading FUD.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Sure, Sony developers might go for graphics over all other videogame attributes - whatever floats your boat. It's all gloss and no substance. Sony Developers can't service my needs - they don't do RTS, 4x Strategy or Shared World Experiences. The most mono-fucking-dimensional developer there is. Must be such a conundrum for you - 'Why, oh why can't these PC/Xbox users see the light and praise almighty Sony Developers'. Fuck outta here with the Sony Developers schtick.

Why are you lumping pc in with xbox. PC makes xbox redundant and has since inception. REally there is no reason to own any xbox, ever unless you are teen who likes getting tebagged by some random or you like doing it in that corny ass halo game (which even now is all on pc).

The halo, gears, forza trifecta of repeat ad nauseum. Funny I don't see RTS, 4x strategy or shared world mmo in there. That's all pc domain.

PlayStation has something that xbox lacks. Good single player and open world games. It also has the Japanese 3rd party influence. Games like Nioh 1/2, bloodborne, and a tone other jrpgs that don't make it over to xbox. And if they do its 3-5 years later.

I am sorry but as a PC /PS4/ Switch gamer, I don't need an xbox, its redundant. My ps4 can play most games (and will eventualy be a ps5).
My switch can play others and lots of indies/ last gen ports.
My pc can play many 3rd party action games but I prefer to save it for all the genres you mentioned that are still being made first for the pc.
Sorry but you didn't prove your point, you had to do it by adding in pc and naming genres that are very rare on consoles and even less so by first party devs.

 

[Three]

What? The media ripped Xbox one apart when the truth was out.
Even MS execs trying to spin afterwards, got ridculed and meme'd by media and forums.

Thats why i say, Sony better start showing truth bombs asap, instead of trying words their way around. The internet media is very scary to try and fool these day.
If you built a weaker console, just say it out proudly and price it as proper.

Which media outlet ripped Xbox one apart? It was actually supported by the media. It was the forums and individuals on youtube who ripped it apart because of MS's stupidity during that whole fiasco.

I just find it stupid that some fans are so desperately trying to draw parallels to every wrong thing that MS or its fanboy journalists have done in the past to spread some FUD about how it's on the same level as that.

Didn't show the cooling system? Must be a RROD disaster waiting to happen!
( They have never shown their console or cooling this early even with PS4)

Talking about the benefits of SSD? Lol 'secret sauce',
(SSD is tangible and has a spec, secret sauce was based on what? Inventing direct x?)

Talking about smartshift or variable clocks? damage control the same as 1080pr.
(again a clear spec/technology, not the same as saying 'you do know all your games output at 1080p right')

I've actually seen these exact comments drawing these parallels. It's asinine and spreading FUD to get more info.

I mean with all these interviews and 'SonyToo' mentality has any journalist actually thought to do a MSToo and asked them outright if they also use smartshift or VF?

Consoles in the EU I think have power draw caps for media/entertainment for anyone asking why power efficiency in a console is even necessary.

 

[Panajev2001a]

What? The media ripped Xbox one apart when the truth was out.
Even MS execs trying to spin afterwards, got ridculed and meme'd by media and forums.

Thats why i say, Sony better start showing truth bombs asap, instead of trying words their way around. The internet media is very scary to try and fool these day.
If you built a weaker console, just say it out proudly and price it as proper.

You sure like revisionist history .

 

[ZywyPL]

Why are you lumping pc in with xbox. PC makes xbox redundant and has since inception. REally there is no reason to own any xbox, ever unless you are teen who likes getting tebagged by some random or you like doing it in that corny ass halo game (which even now is all on pc).

Not everyone is masturbating like crazy over Sony's 3rd person cinematic experiences, basically US2 clones, while the issues like utterly slow download speeds, noisy fan, horrendously long patches/updates install times, short DS4 battery life etc. are seriously pushing some people away from the platform. It goes both ways basically - sure, you can play 3rd party and MS games on PC, but you can as well replace that PC with XB if you don't want to play on PC.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not everyone is masturbating like crazy over Sony's 3rd person cinematic experiences, basically US2 clones, while the issues like utterly slow download speeds, noisy fan, horrendously long patches/updates install times, short DS4 battery life etc. are seriously pushing some people away from the platform.

You are greatly over exaggerating things there IMHO... nice dig at Sony’s first party lineup when attacking them from either the sales perspective or the critical one is feasible .

 

[longdi]

Sony first party came into forefront during PS4 reign imo. Before that time, they were not as acclaimed.

There's always a concern for me is it the horse or the cart first.

Did gamers buy PS4 for first party games or did PS4 owners buy Sony games?

Not downplaying the resources Sony put into their games. But we cant ignore PS4 as the widely recommended console to own back then.

 

[The_Mike]

Yeah, I’m sure having better hardware will help you lead sales. It’s not like the Xbox has ever been stronger than the Playstation and still got stomped. Oh wait.

Everyone loses against a loyal fanbase that works as a cult.

 

[SaucyJack]

Sony first party came into forefront during PS4 reign imo. Before that time, they were not as acclaimed.

There's always a concern for me is it the horse or the cart first.

Did gamers buy PS4 for first party games or did PS4 owners buy Sony games?

Not downplaying the resources Sony put into their games. But we cant ignore PS4 as the widely recommended console to own back then.

Oh my sides.

 

[Deeper Underground]

Everyone loses against a loyal fanbase that works as a cult.

If I hurt your feelings in the last thread, I apologize. With that said, please stop stalking me like some scorned lover.

 

[longdi]

Oh my sides.

Tbf, we always have gran turismo. And perhaps late ps3 era Uncharted 3 Tlou. But besides them, Sony first party games were good enough to get by.

Again I'm not questioning Sony investment in first party. Im just concerned if they bet too much on them over hardware, to retain consumers

 

[The_Mike]

If I hurt your feelings in the last thread, I apologize. With that said, please stop stalking me like some scorned lover.

Why did you take it personally? I referred to the extreme loyal fanbase of Sony. Not everyone is a part of it, but many are.

I didn't refer it to you, since I don't know you. But Sony has an extreme loyal fanbase.

 

[SaucyJack]

Tbf, we always have gran turismo. And perhaps late ps3 era Uncharted 3 Tlou. But besides them, Sony first party games were good enough to get by.

Again I'm not questioning Sony investment in first party. Im just concerned if they bet too much on them over hardware, to retain consumers

Sure, Gran Turismo. Also Wipeout, Twisted Metal, Colony Wars, Arc the Lad, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, MediEvil, Legend of Dragoon, Syphon Filter, Ape Escape and that’s just PS1 off the top of my head.

 

[BigLee74]

Why did you take it personally?

You obviously had him pegged and outed.

Definitely suffering from a misguided feeling of self importance. Proper sneaky little xbox basher too, and loves to proclaim loudly to the forum who he is ignoring like anyone would care

 

[Kumomeme]

Oh sorry. Let me fix the math for you.

PS5 - 9.2 (most of the time)
Xbox SeX - 12.2 (always)
-----------------------------------------
Xbox - 3.0 more tflops

9.2 is luckly number for xbox fans huh

lucky the github leak not lower than that..imagine if it was 8tf or even 7..they gonna hold to this number no matter what information cerny release at..there even fans still trying to force the information that the console use rdna1 lol


like..c'mon, you guys already got stronger console atleast on paper...why bother work hard at this much? dont tell me you guys had bet at home to win at?

 

[Kumomeme]

Phil know how to throw appropriate bait

 

[leo-j]

If the price is the same, xbox is a no brainer. Then if the Sony exclusives are good enough, pick up a ps5 in 5 years to play them all.

I disagree. The gameline up should be the deciding factor.

it’s like saying, Xbox vs ps2. Now of course ps2 had a dramatically better line up, but still.

 

[VAL0R]

Of course he felt better after seeing the PS5 specs. The XSX hardware team were probably high-fiving.

 

[SLB1904]

Why did you take it personally? I referred to the extreme loyal fanbase of Sony. Not everyone is a part of it, but many are.

I didn't refer it to you, since I don't know you. But Sony has an extreme loyal fanbase.

Arent you the same?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If I was Spencer, I'd be feeling good too.

The guy had a grin ear to ear in that McCaffrey Q&A the other day.

I'm sure Spencer and everyone at MS were laughing when they knew the final specs of PS5, which would have been much earlier than all of us as they have dev kits making multiplats like Minecraft.