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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Look, man, we've got to know what the malicious fanboys are up to; their actions, as is evident by the numerous articles and YouTube videos that have been made, have a profound effect on the gaming community.
There is a specific thread for that guaranteed to be complete FUD, just post there if you want but keep this thread clear of it. Saying this because I realized you uploaded a plethora of Youtube videos and twitter posts that are FUD with no comments at all no reflection and keep doing that, so pls stop.
 

BluRayHiDef

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I'm not backseat modding as you have every right to post what you want but you should also be prepared to take some criticism for it as well.

Seriously, before you posted a youtube comment? You realize that's the lowest form of communication through social media? Nobody takes youtube comments seriously, not even youtube. For rumors, it's actually less reputable than pastebin, if that was possible.

I don't know who that twitter account but considering how big twitter is in general, it's a fair question to ask who is this person & why they are relevant. Whether it is positive or FUD. If that same Twitter account said PS5 will be $299 due to Cerny's brilliant engineering prowess, I would be asking the same questions.

You're implying that it's insignificant because it's a YouTube comment, yet numerous websites and big YouTubers have produced content about that very YouTube comment AFTER I made my post about it.
 

THEAP99

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You guys need to chill and stop getting so upset. You have confidence in the ps5 so just hold onto that and be patient.

You actually DONT KNOW if Sony is having overheating problems or not so stop defending it so hard. Just laugh it off.

If it happens it happens, if it doesnt then great. Hopefully we dont have to wait until june to find out more info though.
the next time we hear about ps5 I think will be a tweet on a hot Tuesday afternoon in July stating: "SIE UPDATE ON PS5: We have made the tough decision to decide that we will be postponing the launch of the PS5 until Spring of next year, due to the current circumstances around the world. Please enjoy the games on PlayStation 4 in the meantime and look forward to more PS5 news in the coming months."
 
To be clear I'm not backseat moderating things I'm saying that posting just those media with no inflection at all is like pulling the pin out a bomb and throwing into a crowd. Just stop doing that shit pls.

Also I'm confident about PS5 yes. These post just derail the thread. I just posted something about DLSS 2.0 and how these consoles might have a similar solution, but this 'overheating' post becomes the focus when there is a specific thread made for it... and this happens over and over and over.
 
You're implying that it's insignificant because it's a YouTube comment, yet numerous websites and big YouTubers have produced content about that very YouTube comment AFTER I made my post about it.

"Numerous websites" produced content from neogaf posts as well aka 'Tommy Fisher' & Osirisblack. I would think at this point we would be smarter as a community to put more effort into rumors and speculation and not blindly take dream scenarios (13TF PS5) to doom & gloom FUD.
 

Fake

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Apparently one can no longer post leaks & rumors in a thread that has SPECULATION, analysis & LEAKS in the title....

This thread is becoming crazier by the second....

If the leak/speculation proved wrong why keep posting? By your logic we should continue to post 'next gen consoles are using VEGA' because... well... is a leak/speculation thread right?

Someone is becoming crazier here and its not the thread.
 
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the next time we hear about ps5 I think will be a tweet on a hot Tuesday afternoon in July stating: "SIE UPDATE ON PS5: We have made the tough decision to decide that we will be postponing the launch of the PS5 until Spring of next year, due to the current circumstances around the world. Please enjoy the games on PlayStation 4 in the meantime and look forward to more PS5 news in the coming months."

Uh huh.

This all a big disaster in the making. Really wonder who’s running things right now

Agreed 100%. If they go through this whole thing without the console design being shown, or any new games, they will have lost me completely, and a lot of other people.

Just another hole in PlayStation’s current messaging situation 🤦‍♂️

Liked post lol
No wonder the stream is only on the psblog. Why would you want to show the world a 9.2teraflop console. Against a recently announced 12tf console.

doooomed!
 
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Leaks warrant credible sources, or credible and dependable journalists protecting those credible sources.... or anyone might go towards the fence and take a good relaxing leak yeah? ;)

Let me re-iterate -> So can anyone with a keyboard, writing YouTube comments that are just crazy fanfic theories become 'leakers' and 'insiders' and what they wrote 'leaks'?? Nope, nope and nope.

Just as all TFLOPS are not the same, not all 'leaks' are the same.

You may hate JS or love his work but he already tackled this stuff, revealed the source of it to be a fanboy. So anyone making more and more FUD pieces, even big news outlets, based on this source is just spreading baseless untruths. Have you ever heard the fruit of the poisonous tree? Well this is quite similar, the source is a poisonous fanboy, so are the articles sourcing him.
 
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Remedy is the latest developer to heap praise on the PlayStation 5, saying that Control will play even better on the console.


New take on somewhat old ish news.

One of the games I would absolutely love a PS5 remaster on. Game runs like shit on current hardware.
 

splattered

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You're implying that it's insignificant because it's a YouTube comment, yet numerous websites and big YouTubers have produced content about that very YouTube comment AFTER I made my post about it.

You've always come off as a very pro Sony gamer to me in the posts I've seen you make here recently, I'm surprised you are getting kinda dog piled for posting things.

This place is starting to feel more and more like Era anti github anti sub 13tf every day...

People need to seriously chill.
 

BluRayHiDef

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You've always come off as a very pro Sony gamer to me in the posts I've seen you make here recently, I'm surprised you are getting kinda dog piled for posting things.

This place is starting to feel more and more like Era anti github anti sub 13tf every day...

People need to seriously chill.

I am pro-Sony. I posted these rumors because they concern me and because they're relevant to this thread. A lot of these other pro-Sony users are sensitive.
 
You've always come off as a very pro Sony gamer to me in the posts I've seen you make here recently, I'm surprised you are getting kinda dog piled for posting things.

This place is starting to feel more and more like Era anti github anti sub 13tf every day...

People need to seriously chill.

People are getting upset because it’s already proven there is a psycho group on Xbox fans out there actively plotting to spread FUD on different forums. You don’t think that would make people a little cautious about people posting random trash under the guise of discussion? Calm down.
 
One of the games I would absolutely love a PS5 remaster on. Game runs like shit on current hardware.
Yeah a remaster or an enhancement patch would be awesome. Played on GTX 980 and ran like ass, then bought for my One X and it was surprisingly better with of course lower IQ. Would be great to play it on PS5.
People are getting upset because it’s already proven there is a psycho group on Xbox fans out there actively plotting to spread FUD on different forums. You don’t think that would make people a little cautious about people posting random trash under the guise of discussion? Calm down.
I couldn't write it better. Also would add not just guise of discussion but also naiveté and gullibility on top of fake concerns...
 
My mother just sent me this picture of a document.

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This is not the place for it man. Plus it's something sensitive so fact check first at least -> Its fake!




Edit: Also an official document would look much much more official while this looks so fake that you should have just laughed and not took it seriously...
A National guard letter source
 
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I would assume a 20GB pool @560GB/s has more advantages, keep in mind split pool systems like PS3 & PC didn't share bandwidth, on the SEX configuration whenever CPU access the "slow pool" some cycles are wasted with the end result being more bandwidth used than its actually needed, the example given on ree was that for 48GB/s of CPU access it would take 80GB/s total bandwidth.

On top of that having a bigger pool of fast bandwidth would be more flexible and advantageous as a buffer that way devs would push the PS5 SSD harder to keep up.
Regardless of what they choose i'l be happy with a upgrade.

How are they getting to that number? Each GDDR6 chip provides 56 GB/s of bandwidth, right? So if the CPU only needs 1 GB of data, if it's on one chip, then 48 GB/s of CPU access would be able to be provided through one chip, right?

Unless I have that wrong, of course. That said I thought about the possibility if the amount of the slower memory bandwidth can be dynamically accessed, i.e if non-GPU processors like the CPU only need a small slice of the 336 GB/s bandwidth total, the system just gives as much as needed. For example if the CPU only needs 112 GB/s bandwidth, just two of the 2 GB chips are tapped for their bandwidth, while the others can still stay utilized by the GPU, which would include the 1 GB chips that are not given to the slower bandwidth pool.

Figure that should be possible, no reason to lock off six chips for slower bandwidth to something like the GPU on a given set of cycles when there could be many instances where the CPU only needs maybe one or two chips i.e very small amounts of that total slower bandwidth figure. Guess we need more info on how the memory setup works, but I picture that type of dynamic range to the slower pool would help somewhat with contention issues.

And I mean honestly, it's just a bit of an assumed conclusion; I've seen some people elsewhere seemingly think that when the non-GPU processors are accessing the memory, it "locks up" the six 2 GB chips altogether from GPU access regardless of what amount of memory and bandwidth those other processors need. That sounds like a dumb design decision oversight IMHO; would make more sense that the setup is those chips can access up to 336 GB/s bandwidth through the lower bound 1 GB portions of the six 2 GB chips, not that those chips are locked up as some sort of mode setting regardless of the amount needing to be requested.

As far as any upgrades, well if we don't hear anything about delays by sometime in June we can assume the systems are set for release this year. If anything gets announced for delays, it'll be before July IMHO. Just a gut feeling (plus usually that's about the time full production on the systems at mass scale begins I believe, for fall launches).
 
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SonGoku

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MS has DirectML, Sony has CBR.
That is fucking great, but it isn't something that is supposed to be only on SeX right now?
PS5 has AI/ML dedicated hardware as well
How are they getting to that number? Each GDDR6 chip provides 56 GB/s of bandwidth, right? So if the CPU only needs 1 GB of data, if it's on one chip, then 48 GB/s of CPU access would be able to be provided through one chip, right?
The way i understand it from reading discussions on the subject is that both pools can't be accessed simultaneously because the memory interface is saturated and have to switch access on a cycle by cycle basis. Anyways I'll repost the pertinent screenshots that go in detail about.
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I'd like to read your thoughts too, im no expert on the matter, just relaying what more knowledgeable people said
 
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Ascend

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If the leak/speculation proved wrong why keep posting? By your logic we should continue to post 'next gen consoles are using VEGA' because... well... is a leak/speculation thread right?

Someone is becoming crazier here and its not the thread.
If only that rule would apply to everything, rather than only the things that fit certain agendas.
 
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PS5 has AI/ML dedicated hardware as well

The way i understand it from reading discussions on the subject is that both pools can't be accessed simultaneously because the memory interface is saturated and have to switch access on a cycle by cycle basis. Anyways I'll repost the pertinent screenshots that go in detail about.
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I'd like to read your thoughts too, im no expert on the matter, just relaying what more knowledgeable people said
I believe MS engineers would have solved this with some abstraction layer, yes the memory pool is unified but the memory controller is made aware of difference in BW, and thus devs could indirectly control what goes where.

Dx12 Ultimate or whatever its name is, introduced Mesh Shading, because of it the objects no longer have names but instead IDs and if I were responsible for the hardware design I would make a certain header range for said IDs easily access the faster portion of the RAM. So devs can place the necessary objects in the fast portion of the RAM and they would probably be aware of the size they can use for that and manage accordingly.

I think BW for both consoles are enough to juggle 4K60, anything above that I'm not sure how but might be still possible.
MS first party devs would have to manage and eke out last bit of performance out of it but 3rd party game devs wouldn't. This might become a problem a few years down the line for Series X.
 

rnlval

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PS5 has AI/ML dedicated hardware as well

The way i understand it from reading discussions on the subject is that both pools can't be accessed simultaneously because the memory interface is saturated and have to switch access on a cycle by cycle basis. Anyways I'll repost the pertinent screenshots that go in detail about.
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FIBvcQm.png

KxUmSTs.png
I'd like to read your thoughts too, im no expert on the matter, just relaying what more knowledgeable people said
Lady Gaia... you're wrong. You'tr applying GDDR5 problem to GDDR6!


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Scenario 1

For XSX GPU memory bandwidth

1st slice, 28 GB/s x 6 = 168 GB/s potential

2nd slice, 28 GB/s x 6 = 168 GB/s potential

3rd slice, 56 GB/s x 4 = 224‬ GB/s potential

IF CPU consumes 50 GB/s from 1st slice i.e. 168 - 50 = 118 then the total GPU bandwdith is 510‬ GB/s

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For PS5 GPU memory bandwidth

448 - 50 = 398‬ GB/s

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XSX GPU has 28% memory bandwidth advantage.


Scenario 2

For XSX GPU memory bandwidth

1st slice, 28 GB/s x 6 = 168 GB/s potential

2nd slice, 28 GB/s x 6 = 168 GB/s potential

3rd slice, 56 GB/s x 4 = 224‬ GB/s potential

IF CPU consumes 100 GB/s from 1st slice i.e. 168- 100 = 68 then the total GPU bandwdith is 460‬ GB/s

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For PS5 GPU memory bandwidth

448 - 100 = 348‬ GB/s

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XSX GPU has 32% memory bandwidth advantage.


GDDR6's dual 16bit channel per chip has improved random access capability over GDDR5/GDDR5X's single 32-bit channel per chip.
 
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Zoradeity

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We have the lead system architect on the record saying we'll be quite happy with the cooling solution the engineering team came up with. But somehow, a report from a silly fanboy who got exposed on Twitter gets a lot more traction within the community.

Gotta say though, this is a side effect of being so secretive. Sony will have to put up with more negative articles like this until they are ready for the big reveal, it is what it is.
 

rnlval

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This isn't a GDDR5 problem or GDDR6 that matter, its a limitation of the memory interface, can't access both pools simultaneously (on the same cycle)
1. GDDR has separate address requests and data transfer lines.
2. GDDR6 chip has dual 16bit channels to serve different client nodes.
3. GDDR has to support GPU's large scale scatter and gather memory access patterns and other concurrent async compute paths.
4. GDDR6 arrives on time for larger-scale APUs with desktop-class CPU and GPU fusion.
 
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SonGoku

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1. GDDR has separate address requests and data transfer lines.
2. GDDR6 chip has dual 16bit channels to serve different client nodes.
3. GDDR has to support GPU's large scale scatter and gather memory access patterns and other concurrent async compute paths.
4. GDDR6 arrives on time for larger-scale APUs with desktop-class CPU and GPU fusion.
Im not denying GDDR6 is more efficient and advanced, the penalties on wasted cycles would be much more severe with GDDR5!
Its a physical limitation, can't access both pools simultaneously (on the same cycle) if they do the average bandwidth would be lower than PS5. The right path would be to switch access on a cycle by cycle basis as LadyGaia pointed out.

Anyways im way out of my element here, just relaying what more knowledgeable people said on the matter
F Fafalada thoughts?
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rnlval

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Im not denying GDDR6 is more efficient and advanced, the penalties on wasted cycles would be much more severe with GDDR5!
Its a physical limitation, can't access both pools simultaneously (on the same cycle) if they do the average bandwidth would be lower than PS5. The right path would be to switch access on a cycle by cycle basis as LadyGaia pointed out.

Anyways im way out of my element here, just relaying what more knowledgeable people said on the matter
F Fafalada thoughts?
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That's not correct.

Each GDDR6 chip can serve two masters with dual 16 bit memory channels.

The six 2GB GDDR6 chips has 12 channels, hence odd six channels have 168 GB/s potential while the even six channels have 168 GB/s potential.

Let CPU+Audio+File IO consumes the odd six channels have 168 GB/s potential while GPU has even six channels 168 GB/s potential + 224 GB/s potential, hence GPU has 392 GB/s.

Apply CPU+Audio+File IO consuming 168 GB/s potential on PS5's 448GB/s would land on 280‬GB/s for the GPU

XSX GPU has 40% memory bandwidth advantage over PS5 GPU
 
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SonGoku

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That's not correct.
You'll have to take it to Lady Gaia, so far you haven't explained why she is wrong.
Let CPU+Audio+File IO consumes the odd six channels have 168 GB/s potential while GPU has even six channels 168 GB/s potential + 224 GB/s potential, hence GPU has 392 GB/s.

Apply CPU+Audio+File IO consuming 168 GB/s potential on PS5's 448GB/s would land on 280‬GB/s for the GPU
Audio and CPU won't use nowhere near that amount.
 

Neo_game

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That's not correct.

Each GDDR6 chip can serve two masters with dual 16 bit memory channels.

The six 2GB GDDR6 chips has 12 channels, hence odd six channels have 168 GB/s potential while the even six channels have 168 GB/s potential.

Let CPU+Audio+File IO consumes the odd six channels have 168 GB/s potential while GPU has even six channels 168 GB/s potential + 224 GB/s potential, hence GPU has 392 GB/s.

Apply CPU+Audio+File IO consuming 168 GB/s potential on PS5's 448GB/s would land on 280‬GB/s for the GPU

XSX GPU has 40% memory bandwidth advantage over PS5 GPU


PS4 GDDR5 had 176gb/sec and you are expecting non GPU task to consume 168gb/sec this gen and limited to 10gigs so that Xbox can have access to 560gb/sec and you can gladly say the BW advantage is 40% over PS5.

Although I know you have an obvious agenda of making the difference as big as you can so that you can sleep well at night 🤷‍♂️ I think you are getting a bit too ridiculous now.
 

xacto

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I just want to make it clear that I'm actually rooting for PlayStation. I like PlayStation more than I like Xbox; so, I'm not posting these things to increase FUD about the PS5 but to let you guys know about these rumors since they're relevant to the topic of this thread and also because they have me somewhat worried.

I fail to see how more FUD is "relevant" to this discussion, but I guess you and I see differently on this matter. Some people should calm the eff down before they pop a vein because Sony engineers cannot think of a cooling solution. Seriously? You really believe that?! Ok...

We don't need any more rumors, we've had enough of that; actually that is exactly what we're fed up with, but there are people like you (nothing personal here) coming and feeding this retarded disinformation machine, thinking that people who are invested in Sony's eco-system would somehow magically jump in bed with Microsoft's console? Oh, boy, you really haven't the slightest idea how this works, have you?

But hey, keep at it, this thread has become like the Romans' bread and circus of old.

And I still need to say "thank you" for all the really informative posts in here, and you all know who you are. Keep it alive, and be safe.
 

rnlval

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PS4 GDDR5 had 176gb/sec and you are expecting non GPU task to consume 168gb/sec this gen and limited to 10gigs so that Xbox can have access to 560gb/sec and you can gladly say the BW advantage is 40% over PS5.

Although I know you have an obvious agenda of making the difference as big as you can so that you can sleep well at night 🤷‍♂️ I think you are getting a bit too ridiculous now.
My argument is about GPU's point of view on memory bandwidth. My reason for 168 GB/s is to directly debate against Lady Gaia's 48 GB/s CPU argument.

My argument is based on GDDR6's dual-channel per chip with either 6GB memory range's odd or even channels still allowing the GPU to access 10GB address range while CPU/DSP/File IO/residual GPU is busy with 3.5GB address range.
 

BluRayHiDef

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I fail to see how more FUD is "relevant" to this discussion, but I guess you and I see differently on this matter. Some people should calm the eff down before they pop a vein because Sony engineers cannot think of a cooling solution. Seriously? You really believe that?! Ok...

We don't need any more rumors, we've had enough of that; actually that is exactly what we're fed up with, but there are people like you (nothing personal here) coming and feeding this retarded disinformation machine, thinking that people who are invested in Sony's eco-system would somehow magically jump in bed with Microsoft's console? Oh, boy, you really haven't the slightest idea how this works, have you?

But hey, keep at it, this thread has become like the Romans' bread and circus of old.

And I still need to say "thank you" for all the really informative posts in here, and you all know who you are. Keep it alive, and be safe.

What the heck are you talking about? I don't think that anyone who's invested in Sony's eco-system would switch over to Xbox. I have neither said nor implied such; I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion, especially considering that I said I'm rooting for PlayStation and like PlayStation more than Xbox.
 

xacto

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What the heck are you talking about? I don't think that anyone who's invested in Sony's eco-system would switch over to Xbox. I have neither said nor implied such; I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion, especially considering that I said I'm rooting for PlayStation and like PlayStation more than Xbox.

I don't really care who you say you're rooting for, I read your posts and that is enough. Don't bother replying, you're going on ignore.

Have a good day.
 
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BluRayHiDef

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I don't really care who you say you're rooting for, I read your posts and that is enough. Don't bother replying, you're going on ignore.

Have a good day.
You are seriously mistaken. If you look through my post history, you'd see that I've argued in favor of PlayStation throughout this thread. You are clueless.
 
The thing is xbox fans were asking for power power power (since Xbone sucked on that) and then started asking for games much later on, and MS caught the first part early on after their tv tv tv and changed things for better with One X, but they were really late to first party AAA game party.

And MS now seem to be stuck back at power power at all costs with Series X and think they've hit their mark however the games aren't coming, or to put better the games that are coming aren't only for that 'most powerful console evaaaaa' but those games has to work on One S and original Xbox One too according to their all encompassing platform policy and plans.

To top it off, there are news circling that The Initiative, a.k.a. MS first part exclusive game devs, are not targeting AA games but rather trying to make unique but mostly cute AA games which most likely wouldn't match up to any one of the Sony 1st part games.

So these xbox fans are getting the power thing this time around but what they were actually wanting were games and that portion is still questionable at best, and thus they are on the offense, not being able to enjoy their favorite box's power as it doesn't mean anything, but wanting to rain down on PS5's parade since they are surely will be getting eye melting bombastic AAA exclusives. Some MS exclusives are also on the way and I hope they make them special for SeX for the sake of their fans or they will collectively blow their veins in rage if these games are purposely gimped on a 12 TF machine for the sake of platform.

Also, look at how childishly they responded to TLOU2 postponed announcement ahahahah and that is not even PS5 exclusive, as PS4 isn't finished with Xbox yet, there are still punches coming in this gen, let alone guaranteed ones in the next. And they are clearly afraid for some reason, I dunno why they wouldn't buy a PS4 and enjoy gaming all together in general, and why they have to make it a war to begin with.
 
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Ptarmiganx2

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This is not the place for it man. Plus it's something sensitive so fact check first at least -> Its fake!




Edit: Also an official document would look much much more official while this looks so fake that you should have just laughed and not took it seriously...
A National guard letter source

I would hear about any national quarantine before the general public. An announcement like this would most likely be made on a Monday and take effect Tuesday. Lets see the data over the weekend. We are clipping at 6-9 percent growth in new cases daily, but that’s not factoring in a massive increase in testing. Still looking at a peak the 12th through the 16th.
 
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