Agnostic2020
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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Nanite is not the only new paradigm. Atomontage has a similar approach but with microvoxel paradigm, that might even have smaller voxels nextgen, and it has solved the animation issue.
they said you don't need to create different lods, I assume that includes mip levels.
he says there's no secret deal. Everything is public. And obviously there's not a public deal is there? That's a clear denial.
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HAL-01
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They said its fully scalable, i'd say performance would greatly benefit from 4K textures and a lower per frame polygon cap (15 mill instead of 20). They only used 8K textures for the sake of the demo, in real gameplay 4K would look just as good from a reasonable distance without being as taxing.
Unreal Engine 5, [UE5 Developer Availability 2022-04-05]
I'm not suggesting how this works or anything but could it be just this simple? Because the mesh data is so detailed each poly could just be represented by colour so no need for a texture. Effectively the mesh is flattened and stored like a texture somehow. The texture is resized down to get the...
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SlimySnake
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i gotta say i love how tim sweeney himself is owning these fools. its so fucking hilarious to see the CEO of Epic Games engage with these idiots.
i wish cerny did this.
i wish cerny did this.
Agnostic2020
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U saw how they changed the translation to fit their narrative?
Basically it was said if we drop the fidelity it can run on slower ssd no problem . Meaning the engine is scalable. who would have thought UE5 is scalable ?
I m shocked
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Bo_Hazem
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Not to mention that those are raw models, uncompressed. Just a simple question to any gamer: Would you accept this type of detail in native 4K@30-60fps or 1440@60-90fps? 4K assets with 25% compression of quality is still insanely detailed up close.
If the answer is yes, then that's -3x less density assets in their original form (4K), then went again and compressed them by 25%, making them -4.3x times less detailed than PS5 demo. And that demo was using 1080Ti on semi-4K at 24fps, 2.39:1 aspect ratio. Don't believe me? Here:
Timestamped, watch for at least 2 minutes until 7:07
Note that it's using a fairly inferior set and older version of UE.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
thats actually how i understood it. if the ps5 is using say 8k textures, the xbox will probably use 4k textures. its weird how they said that you have 6 billion triangles compressed down to 20 million, well 20 million is still 12 million more than 4k, and 1440p is 16 million fewer pixels, so where are these triangles going? i think it will come down to the quality of the pixel. you can have more pixels on the series x, but the detail will be higher in the ps5 pixels.U saw how they changed the translation to fit their narrative?
Basically it was said if we drop the fidelity it can run on slower ssd no problem . Meaning the engine is scalable. who would have thought UE5 is scalable ?
I m shocked
but this is just the UE5, i have been saying that the character model LODs, draw distance and other world detail will be better on the ps5 despite its tflops disadvantage. basically any pc setting vram bound will be better on the ps5 whereas xbox should provide a higher resolution.
it will be interesting to see just how downgraded the demo might be on the series x, but i suspect in motion no one will be able to tell. it will be hard to catch detail when flying that fast through an environment.
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Agnostic2020
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Yea ps5 will have a more detailed scene due to through put brining in more assets but xsx will have higher resolution frame
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BurnCoalMeltPole
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Sony first made use of stream processors in its 6 gigaflop PS2 (released in 2000). Stream/vector processors are also called SIMD (single instruction, multiple data) processors, and were notably used by Cray in their first supercomputers. The Cray-2 in 1985 was capable of about 2 gigaflops with four processors. The Cell was built around SIMD, utilizing a high throughput ring bus and on-die I/O controllers. Because this multiprocessing architecture was very data hungry, making sure that memory access would not stall was key to achieving high sustained performance. Rambus’s XDR high bandwidth memory was capable of servicing many simultaneous requests, and though expensive in 2006, it kept the Cell fed. The architecture was conceived from the start to scale, but the advent of GPU compute made it obsolete. It was just far more convenient, cheaper, and efficient to leverage stream processors within mass market GPUs than to continually develop this competing computing architecture.
https://arstechnica.com/features/2000/04/ps2vspc/ (PS2 architecture, missing images)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-2?wprov=sfti1 (Cray 2 supercomputer from 1985)
https://arstechnica.com/features/2005/02/cell-1/ (Cell processor architecture)
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silent head
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FranXico
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Some people are very triggered that he made a demo that made the PS5 look good. How dare he market the PS5?
That demo stopped the narrative that the PS5 is a potato on its tracks, that's why it's being attacked.
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xacto
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Agnostic2020
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Can you post the link to the twitter? Thanks
Lunatic_Gamer
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Agnostic2020
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Damn tim is owning few shook fanboys. Why r few xbox fanboys shook to the core by this demo ? I don't get it. Each system has its own strength. And this engine scales on everything .
I assume They were hoping ssd is just for load tiems but they r understanding 8k assets will be allowed on ps5 thanks to the io through put
BurnCoalMeltPole
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And now that a revolution in I/O performance is upon us, we are probably going to find the capacity limitations of SSDs and 100 GB optical discs unacceptable. Maybe the industry will finally get around to producing a super cheap multi-terabyte holographic storage cartridge? Downloading terabyte-sized games might even work if everyone had super cheap and reliable gigabit network connections.
And we could eliminate global poverty and the climate problem by dramatically raising energy-per-capita with a cheap, highly scalable and sustainable power system with incredible energy payback.....
And we could eliminate global poverty and the climate problem by dramatically raising energy-per-capita with a cheap, highly scalable and sustainable power system with incredible energy payback.....
HawarMiran
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wasn't there a horizon zero dawn rumor saying Aloy has more polygons then the entire list of characters in the first game combined? Seems believable now.
Bo_Hazem
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I'm Ok with 200-300GB games if the game is worth it! I would love a more sustainable game from Sony with an interesting world. Better be space interstellar that rivals Star Citizen (beats it easily)!
Agnostic2020
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Yea i called that bs but now I m thinking maybe it was correct as seen by ue5 there is no polygon limit.
HAL-01
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HAL-01
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its a little bit more believable but still thats an Insanely overkill amount of polygons. Like more than Thanos amount of polygons. Perhaps it was hyperbole but i dont doubt she'll look amazing.
Bo_Hazem
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It's a trend, here:
Horizon: Zero Dawn’s Thunderjaw is made up of 550,000 polygons according to game director Mathijs De Jonge. In comparison – Killzone 3 used a maximum of 250,000 polygons for everything on the screen combined.
UPDATED: Horizon: Zero Dawn’s Thunderjaw Consists Of 550k Polygons & Stands 24x9 Meters Tall
According to game director De Jonge, the Thunderjaw featured in Horizon: Zero Dawn consists of 550K polygons & stands 24x9 meters tall.
wccftech.com
That statue in the demo had 33,000,000 polygons! So yes, that's already true to some extent.
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Bo_Hazem
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xacto
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So basically, if I am running a gameplay video of the Gears 5 on my Macbook, I can say that the game actually can be run on macOS.
That's good to know, thanks, China engineer, this is a game changer!
HawarMiran
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It's a trend, here:
Horizon: Zero Dawn’s Thunderjaw is made up of 550,000 polygons according to game director Mathijs De Jonge. In comparison – Killzone 3 used a maximum of 250,000 polygons for everything on the screen combined.
UPDATED: Horizon: Zero Dawn’s Thunderjaw Consists Of 550k Polygons & Stands 24x9 Meters Tall
According to game director De Jonge, the Thunderjaw featured in Horizon: Zero Dawn consists of 550K polygons & stands 24x9 meters tall.
That statue in the demo had 33,000,000 polygons! So yes, that's already true to some extent.
yeah lets see how much polygons they can use for a moving character. and give me some boobs and ass physics on Aloy
pasterpl
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pasterpl
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It's a trend, here:
Horizon: Zero Dawn’s Thunderjaw is made up of 550,000 polygons according to game director Mathijs De Jonge. In comparison – Killzone 3 used a maximum of 250,000 polygons for everything on the screen combined.
UPDATED: Horizon: Zero Dawn’s Thunderjaw Consists Of 550k Polygons & Stands 24x9 Meters Tall
According to game director De Jonge, the Thunderjaw featured in Horizon: Zero Dawn consists of 550K polygons & stands 24x9 meters tall.
That statue in the demo had 33,000,000 polygons! So yes, that's already true to some extent.
just wondering what native resolution and FPS some of these games will be targeting, even though I am big fan of tech pushing native resolutions up, I cannot ignore increase in fidelity that comes with lower res
HAL-01
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most good looking games will be sub 4K using some advanced 4K upscaling technique, it will look great and people will forget about resolutions
PocoJoe
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Because xbots have some mental problems I guess, they MUST see xsex as the ultimate winner of their imaginary war or they lose it.
It is the same attitude all around, any time some talk something positive about PS5 or speculate about what it can bring on the table with its custom tech -> butt hurt xbots must come to "defend" their praides xsex, remind how 12 > 10 and how their box have this and that tech too!
Honestly it is kind of tired and sad how insecure they are about a product, like if they dont run around yelling how amazing it is and how bad ps5 is, their product will vanish or something.
They just dont get that people that like playstation and want more info about PS5 dont give a shit about xbox or xbox vs ps5, even if xbox would be 2x more powerful they would still get PS5.
So, they just continue to fight their imaginary war and think that every time they downtalk ps5 and uptalk xsex = one ps5 buyer turns into xsex buyer
Many have literally spammed "bbut it is only 1s vs 2s loading times" for months, while there arent even games shown or systems released. And I'm pretty sure that 2x the bandwidth allows devs to do things that half the bandwidth would allow them to do.
PS5 with half the bandwidth vs PS5 like it is now = people seriously think that only thing it would affect is loading times?
But I guess that they cant think so far, they just always compare it to xsex.
PocoJoe
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It didn't age well
"Can be run" doesnt mean that it can it run with same details
Epic said that it can scale down to mobile phones so yeah of course it can run on PC too, Laptop too.
So until they show that it run identically, worse or better, that means nothing.
yeah lets see how much polygons they can use for a moving character. and give me some boobs and ass physics on Aloy
WTF? Get a girlfriend than you have boobs and ass physics...
FeiRR
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That drive of yours is half the price of a next gen console, give or take. The reason why Microsoft went with what they have is budget. Sony invested a lot of money in R&D and they have a custom design which they can utilize to the fullest. When you just go shopping for ready modules like Microsoft did, you have to face the music.
However, Microsoft does look for ways to port easily to PC because they also have Windows and promote their services there. That's why DX11/12(U) is more and more cross-compatible and why Xbox consoles are more or less just custom small PCs.
Plus 6M in the IGN account and probably a few more in others. It's basically free marketing for Sony at this point. I've already heard from at least two people who are PC gamers right now that they'll seriously consider PS5.
As for the Polish studio acquisition part of those rumours, we know now that Bloober Team is developing Medium for XSX/PC and they signed a deal for making other games for Microsoft. I also googled a bit about Farm 51 out of curiosity, because I live like 2 km from their studio. Since they're a public stock company, it's pretty easy to get information. Less than 2 months ago three of their shareholders sold around $1M of stock (about 5% total) and the company announced they're in negotiations with "a major worldwide publisher who specializes in online multiplayer games". The deal is about their World War 3 FPS game which is available for Windows now. It might be an Xbox port but it doesn't seem like Microsoft bought them.
HAL-01
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Only somewhat related but i hope they show off some soft body physics simulation for characters, im tired of watching these super detailed character models move around like they're action figures. Show me muscles flexing, rolls forming when they bend down, meaty hands that realistically bunch up when making a fist.yeah lets see how much polygons they can use for a moving character. and give me some boobs and ass physics on Aloy
DrKeo
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Everyone calls them BC, OpenGL has been calling them BC for years, there isn't even a DXT name for BC4 through 7. Some poeple still refer to BC1-3 as DXT, old school I guessOnly people that use DirectX call them BC - because the underlying techniques they derive from weren't by Microsoft-and I'm pretty sure the BCpack compressor is even fed with a DXTn flag from a link I checked out about 900 pages ago in this thread
As for pop-in, how does that work when you are loading the entire detail per frame? A delay is half frame-rate, yes? Or...it is a reduction in IQ for the frame you do load on time, and that's still not accounting for the noise issue in the lossy compressed textures you needed to use to avoid another magnitude of lost IO bandwidth compared to the PS5 IO/SSD solution. UE5 seems to be rendering at such fine grain I would speculate lossy textures using linear gradients will cause pixels in the final image to flash between two shades if a lookup is on an lossy error in a texture.
And I'm not really sure what DX or MS has to do with it. Actually, what you are saying is pretty ironic because DXT1 through 5 were named after MS's fourCC code for them Regarding the delay, it works just like any LOD delay today, but instead of taking 4 seconds, it takes 33ms. Most streaming is textures anyway, so you should more FUD about textures than polygons
Even the demo had "pop-in":
No one noticed it, because it's so quick. So I'm assuming more of that on the XSX.
The marble demo is the most impressive real-time demo I've ever seen, I'm not sure why you are trying to nit-pick it, it's something the XSX and PS5 could never do.
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silent head
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geordiemp
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It was a tweet from a GG dev, but I cant recall which one. It was a long while ago, shows they are working hard with the SSD and Decima.
Bo_Hazem
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I think I've explained it thoroughly here:
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
To think this Unreal 5 demo is only the start of next gen. Can't wait to see other engines, and games using these new techniques once they have matured a bit. Especially on the PC end- when hardware gets build around them even more. Like look at how raytracing and machine learning is...
And for it being $5,500 USD and still not capable of providing solid performance with a true native 4K@30fps with 16:9 ratio, and stutter and frame rate drops. Let's not compare it to complete devices that would cost nearly 10x less than "a" part of a gaming set (as they advertised a game there).
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HAL-01
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Knack 3: Journey to the North Pole Babeeyyyy
HawarMiran
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It's obvious to me that UE5 demo did not have "textures" at all. The traditional ones.
They stream some sort of different representation of the model, some clustered solution, maybe SDF. Where polygons, textures and all the other static geometry data is clustered into small pieces and connected into some BV hierarchy.
This way you can compress things enormously good. After all they do have original models on disk. So essentially all the 1.6bln polygons exist on disk, but not in a traditional structures, so they are much smaller in size and only small part of that is rendered (20 mln polys).
geordiemp
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Unreal Engine 5, [UE5 Developer Availability 2022-04-05]
I'm not suggesting how this works or anything but could it be just this simple? Because the mesh data is so detailed each poly could just be represented by colour so no need for a texture. Effectively the mesh is flattened and stored like a texture somehow. The texture is resized down to get the...
So, your translation
Suggests the start bit is possible in editor but unknown resolution.
So the 1080p comment context is still unknown ?
and then Sweeny tweets it was just a video anyway and shuts it all down///.
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