RedVIper
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The correct word would be a few. Most negative reviews have nothing to do with Ellie being gay.
Even people at resetera are hating on the game. Trying to paint it as haters just being homophobes is super disingenuous.
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TLOU2 Haters and Detractors are review-bombing Metacritic. The Salt rises!
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The correct word would be a few. Most negative reviews have nothing to do with Ellie being gay.
Even people at resetera are hating on the game. Trying to paint it as haters just being homophobes is super disingenuous.
Dodkrake
Banned
Ellie being a woman and gay, not just gay. There's a lot more nuance to what I said which you conveniently ignored.
But this conversation is non-productive. What I take from this is:
People review bombing something without playing it: Bad
People reviewing negatively because they didn't like it: Ok
And that's the crux of the question.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I don't give a fuck if you agree or disagree lmao
He's a pretty intelligent guy with a pretty damning review
End of point
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Don't think people will care if it gets review bombed. Call of Duty fans don't care either when a game gets grilled due to people hating microtrans.
People care more about playing MP than worrying about SP storylines.
Bladed Thesis
Member
Dodkrake
Banned
Congrats, you read 30+ pages in 15 min. You're a prodigy.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
He didn't like the core gameplay from the first, and was hoping for an overhaul
It wasn't an overhaul, it was just some minor improvements
Get it yet?
lock2k
Banned
This.
Enjoy what you enjoy, fuck what people think or say.
I'm not interested in TLOU2 (and not because of the controversial stuff, it's just because I didn't really care about the first) but I would never let user scores get in the way of my enjoyment of a game. Just ignore the idiots, buy the game and have fun.
RedVIper
Banned
So your notion is that the game is being negatively review because Ellie is a gay woman (Or bi I think)? I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this.
What are your thoughts on review bombing positively? Should metacritic remove those too? Or just the negative ones?
Dodkrake
Banned
Nice strawman, mate.
Saying core gameplay is the same =/= ignoring the extensive changes and advancements made on the sequel. Stick to that.
Dodkrake
Banned
Where did I say that? Fuck me, I'm not a native speaker, but I said a lot of the hate has stemmed from that. Not all, a lot.
Review bombing positively is as shitastic as negatively. If you didn't play or experience something, you absolutely cannot review it.
Hustler
Member
I have yet to play the game and I’ve been on media blackout. So I’ll have my own opinion here this weekend. I felt the same way about Red Dead 2, I hated the controls and I haven’t brought myself to keep playing last the few hours I first put into it. Mainly because i know how long the game is and other games have kept my interest.
Review Circle Jerk or not, the same could be said of many games that scored really high that games will love or hate. Take BOTW for example, some absolutely hate the direction it’s gone and can list more negatives than positives. But went on to be the best selling Zelda game ever.
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I'm nitpicky with all games and the death of hard puzzles in this gen was terrible God of War had the worst. If you like the game and think it's smooth that's fine I think Tlou feels like Madden where players feel like they are gliding when they walk.
I think Doom is the worst piece of trash in gaming but some people love it I don't.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Well aside from that, the game has another problem IMHO that also relates with the story, and that's something which can be observed from mainly viewing footage. However, getting into that would require shifting discussion to a broader topic of current state of entertainment altogether (and no it'd have nothing to do with "pushing" any particular groups as an agenda, although you could argue various groups are being used as pawns to aid in the message of a spiritually/morally diluted ideology).
Would never say the graphics in TLOU2 are bad; they're both technically and artistically top-of-class. I'm just amazed though at how much some people judge an entire game's value on its graphics alone. To them they view the game's worth more by the visual impact than, well, things I would say actually make a game a game. But that's also getting into a bit of a different topic.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
This is just sad...The triggering continues as TLOU2 releases today. A mob of children have taken their anger and moral purity to Metacritic to make sure TLOU2 is made an example of. As we watch the salt pour from every single keystroke we're reminded of the fragility of their egos. Snowflaking has never been this good. Here is to enjoying the tears when the reviews eventually get taken down.
The prophet has foreseen it.
The meticulous planning.
Agenda? What agenda? Who are they belittling exactly? If it wasn't for GAF I wouldn't know there was even a problem.
MiguelItUp
Member
The sad part is that there are a ton of people that are saying those that are unhappy with the game are just sexist, hateful, etc. 
I mean, sure, unfortunately those people do exist, but they're not ALL of them. Not everyone dislikes the game because Ellie is gay, they don't dislike the game because it includes gays, or anything else related to LGBTQ life styles. They dislike the game because of the way it was handled and the way it treated some of their most beloved and favorite characters.
There are people out there with a LOT of passion for the things they love. So much so that if anything goes in a way that they don't feel is just, or doesn't feel believable in that universe, it completely crushes them. A lot of people are disappointed and crushed right now.
Did I play it? No, but I've watched full play throughs, and I've seen enough to know that I'm not rushing a purchase by any means. Hell, if that even happens after seeing some content in the game.
I mean, sure, unfortunately those people do exist, but they're not ALL of them. Not everyone dislikes the game because Ellie is gay, they don't dislike the game because it includes gays, or anything else related to LGBTQ life styles. They dislike the game because of the way it was handled and the way it treated some of their most beloved and favorite characters.
There are people out there with a LOT of passion for the things they love. So much so that if anything goes in a way that they don't feel is just, or doesn't feel believable in that universe, it completely crushes them. A lot of people are disappointed and crushed right now.
Did I play it? No, but I've watched full play throughs, and I've seen enough to know that I'm not rushing a purchase by any means. Hell, if that even happens after seeing some content in the game.
RedVIper
Banned
Yes you said a lot of hate is because of that, and I completely disagree. The fact that a lot of people in the LGBT community hate the game should be more than enough proof that it isn't right wing homophobes hating on the game.
Bladed Thesis
Member
Haha, I've been reading that thread since it opened .
Just because you have no point other than "its different" doesn't mean I need to go reread that entire thread.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Learn what a strawman is and actually watch his review before spouting complete crap
tryDEATH
Member
Don't agree with review bombing, but ND could have done a much better job conveying their approach and bracing people for some quite radical changes in mood, story, and gameplay. This game was always going to be very polarizing, which the leaks revealed so seeing people upset shouldn't surprise anyone, acting like children is just a bit over the top.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Why does the gay community hate the game?
killatopak
Gold Member
Would Sony even care about this?
The best way to protest is still with your wallet.
Sony cares about your money, not your opinion.
The best way to protest is still with your wallet.
Sony cares about your money, not your opinion.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The sad part is that there are a ton of people that are saying those that are unhappy with the game are just sexist, hateful, etc.
I mean, sure, unfortunately those people do exist, but they're not ALL of them. Not everyone dislikes the game because Ellie is gay, they don't dislike the game because it includes gays, or anything else related to LGBTQ life styles. They dislike the game because of the way it was handled and the way it treated some of their most beloved and favorite characters.
There are people out there with a LOT of passion for the things they love. So much so that if anything goes in a way that they don't feel is just, or doesn't feel believable in that universe, it completely crushes them. A lot of people are disappointed and crushed right now.
Did I play it? No, but I've watched full play throughs, and I've seen enough to know that I'm not rushing a purchase by any means. Hell, if that even happens after seeing some content in the game.
Look, its a sequel to a single title. Not a multi-decade spanning franchise with a whole fandom encompassing extended universe.
Comparisons to Last Jedi or even Game Of Thrones as far as attachment to lore and characters go just doesn't fly.
I don't buy it for a second as being a reasonable reaction. At best, its more petty internet childishness where people throw their toys out of the pram because they haven't been pampered to their liking, at worst its culture-war bullshit that just shows how far gone the hard left and right have become.
Either way its demented and sad.
MiguelItUp
Member
You're totally right. But people ADORED the last game to the point where it means just as much to them if not more. It's subjective, really.
While the comparisons may feel unjust to some, I think the feelings they're trying to convey are accurate.
I wholeheardly agree with that. I would never say it's the "right" thing to do. Hell, I'd never encourage it. Ever.
True, true, true.
Rei dos Vermes
Member
I don't see a problem. People are free to give the game a thumbs up as well.
If most those here understood that this backlash is actually good for gaming. Consistency matters! If Sony is going to allow dude on dude sex action then they should stop censoring games.
Ultimately no corporation should be allow to use their medium as a means to publish propaganda. Periodt!
Ultimately no corporation should be allow to use their medium as a means to publish propaganda. Periodt!
Paracelsus
Member
It's not just about Joel but the way a lot of events are written, the way a lot of characters are written and the epilogue adds insult to injury.
Some fanboy here said the ending would explain everything. It didn't, it made things worse.
If only they went all the way with the epilogue, that would've subverted expectations, instead they went with the opposite and messed up.
This doesn't feel like TLJ, rather if TLJ and ROS had a baby.
Some fanboy here said the ending would explain everything. It didn't, it made things worse.
If only they went all the way with the epilogue, that would've subverted expectations, instead they went with the opposite and messed up.
This doesn't feel like TLJ, rather if TLJ and ROS had a baby.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Ok so I've gone to metacritic against my better judgement. I'm only to the part where you get the missing gate code so I didn't wanna be spoiled.
It seems a lot of the complaints is about being an "SJW game" and having a bad story, neglecting what made the first game great. I'm not sure I understand what people were expecting. It was pretty clear from the first reveal trailer that Ellie was a lesbian and that you played as her character. So how is it now that people are outraged? It feels...insincere and manufactured.
I mean the gameplay is...what I expected, with some added flare, like going prone and the new melee combat system, which I think is done pretty well. The ability to jump whenever feels a bit clunky but it's not really worth complaining over.
The story so far, is fine I guess. I'm not blown away by anything yet.
I will say I am not seeing how this game is a 10/10 yet, but I mean...I'm giving it the time it deserves. It's too early to tell.
Was it the spoilers that really pissed people off and they are just blaming it on SJW stuff?
It seems a lot of the complaints is about being an "SJW game" and having a bad story, neglecting what made the first game great. I'm not sure I understand what people were expecting. It was pretty clear from the first reveal trailer that Ellie was a lesbian and that you played as her character. So how is it now that people are outraged? It feels...insincere and manufactured.
I mean the gameplay is...what I expected, with some added flare, like going prone and the new melee combat system, which I think is done pretty well. The ability to jump whenever feels a bit clunky but it's not really worth complaining over.
The story so far, is fine I guess. I'm not blown away by anything yet.
I will say I am not seeing how this game is a 10/10 yet, but I mean...I'm giving it the time it deserves. It's too early to tell.
Was it the spoilers that really pissed people off and they are just blaming it on SJW stuff?
RedVIper
Banned
Violence against LGBT characters.
Problematic portrayal of LGBT characters.
And the reasons everyone else does, shitty story.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
You make some good points. My reaction to some of the events that happened in the first few hours of the game was...flat. I don't think I'm as invested emotionally into this game as others are. So this type of reaction from others seem...a bit much in my eyes. Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure I felt similarly about the first game. Like I remember there was like this scene in the first game, with some giraffes or some shit. I had beaten the game before reading any forums about it. All of a sudden I saw people cyber balling their eyes out at how beautiful of a scene that was. If I'm completely honest, at the time, I didn't remember that scene, and I had just finished the game.The sad part is that there are a ton of people that are saying those that are unhappy with the game are just sexist, hateful, etc.
I mean, sure, unfortunately those people do exist, but they're not ALL of them. Not everyone dislikes the game because Ellie is gay, they don't dislike the game because it includes gays, or anything else related to LGBTQ life styles. They dislike the game because of the way it was handled and the way it treated some of their most beloved and favorite characters.
There are people out there with a LOT of passion for the things they love. So much so that if anything goes in a way that they don't feel is just, or doesn't feel believable in that universe, it completely crushes them. A lot of people are disappointed and crushed right now.
Did I play it? No, but I've watched full play throughs, and I've seen enough to know that I'm not rushing a purchase by any means. Hell, if that even happens after seeing some content in the game.
Guys, I think I might be a psychopath.
Hmmm..EDIT: KIDDING KIDDING, don't call the police.
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Lanrutcon
Member
If completely and utterly question your taste in games. Either you ignored the story like your life depended on it (and if so: you made the wise choice) or wtf, man.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Interesting how an entire industry of paid critics giving it 100 is not bombing at all
Its like the MSM is so afraid to take any criticism at all they have to delegitimize it and use scary words like “threaten” and “bomb” and “attack” to talk about someone daring to have a different opinion on a video game
Its like the MSM is so afraid to take any criticism at all they have to delegitimize it and use scary words like “threaten” and “bomb” and “attack” to talk about someone daring to have a different opinion on a video game
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Rean no Kiseki
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OutRun88
Member
This age of outrage is sickening. It needs to end.
On top of that, the hypocrisy on display here is unmatched. These asinine review bombs represent the very same type of response you see from the woke crew. Then you see the woke crew making fun of the outrageous response. What we have here is true transposition.
On top of that, the hypocrisy on display here is unmatched. These asinine review bombs represent the very same type of response you see from the woke crew. Then you see the woke crew making fun of the outrageous response. What we have here is true transposition.
These are people who played the entire game and gave their honest opinion. The negative ones did as well so I respect them. People trashing the game ten seconds after user reviews opened when the game has not even been out for 24 hours yet are review bombing.
infinitys_7th
Member
You really think people who loved TLOU have a problem with Ellie being female?
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You fight fire with Fire. We are in the middle of a culture war. The left cancelled Aunt Jemima for Gods sakes. Which btw it doesn’t even make sense. Aunt Jemima is the story of a black woman that sold her likeness ( during a time where real oppression and racisms existed ) to become one of the first black millionaires. Literally the epitome of the American Dream.
Closer
Member
Fun thing I've noticed: a bunch of people that say this are the ones that actually go to the other forum.
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The first I completely respect. The second who want to turn this into Gamergate PT2 I don't.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Is it gaf members? A large people here are salty there’s a game where you play as lesbian as a main character with a supporting cast member that’s a shemale.
ethomaz
Banned
Well we do prefer to play it instead
