Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Or i have seen the game and the ending for myself and realize its worse than the leaks...much much worse.
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TLOU2 Haters and Detractors are review-bombing Metacritic. The Salt rises!
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Abear21
Banned
Who cares about reviews anymore?
I talked to my wife about this because it does relate to what’s happening in the real world right now and how fired up everyone gets over their own opinion, like anyone else gives a shit.
I’m still on the fence if I’m going to pick it up or not as the gameplay honestly does look like more of the same, which is not a bad thing, just might wait for a sale. Too bad I can’t read a real honest review from a normal person but I don’t think any of them exist anymore.
The ironic thing is the 0/10 reviews make me want it play it too and judge for myself, like when people say a movie was historically bad, I kinda want to watch it just to see how bad it really is!
I talked to my wife about this because it does relate to what’s happening in the real world right now and how fired up everyone gets over their own opinion, like anyone else gives a shit.
I’m still on the fence if I’m going to pick it up or not as the gameplay honestly does look like more of the same, which is not a bad thing, just might wait for a sale. Too bad I can’t read a real honest review from a normal person but I don’t think any of them exist anymore.
The ironic thing is the 0/10 reviews make me want it play it too and judge for myself, like when people say a movie was historically bad, I kinda want to watch it just to see how bad it really is!
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How will people know a game is good if they don't buy it?
B-universe
Banned
To you, that is.
Naught Dog and Sony don't seem to share your opinion, though. TLoU2 is described by Amazon.co.uk , as allowing you to, quote, "Experience the escalating moral conflicts created by Ellie’s relentless pursuit of vengeance (...)" (source) and the "complex and emotional story" (source) is advertised by PlayStation as one of the main features.
Neil himself opens his blog entry on the game with the following: "It felt thrilling and intrinsic to the world of The Last of Us, but more importantly, it felt like a story that needed to be told. " (source)
You seem to be struggling with the fact not everyone likes the things you like, to the extent you like them, and that therefore they're going to value things differently and view the game from their perspective, not yours.
And because you like certain things, disregard others, somehow others ought to do the same. Goodness gracious, why?
To you it is. To you.
It's hardly a persuasive argument: Gods&Monsters likes the game[play], therefore everyone should like it as well.
iorek21
Member
I bet that the outrage would be 1000x less if the story moments that leaked and the actual ending were different. Without spoiling, the game that they’ve promoted is very different than the actual thing.
So yeah, what’s happening is not even a little gratuitous. The Mass Effect 3 comparisons are very well put.
If SJW pandering was the only problem here, then I’d understand the argument that it’s just a troll raid, but it’s not.
So yeah, what’s happening is not even a little gratuitous. The Mass Effect 3 comparisons are very well put.
If SJW pandering was the only problem here, then I’d understand the argument that it’s just a troll raid, but it’s not.
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I am sure everybody in the industry knows about review bombing. He said himself he knew that it would be divisive.
Vawn
Banned
The 0/10 reviews are all from people who haven't played the game. They shouldn't have any relevance to your decision.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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Geki-D
is a well known shit starter. As soon as he quotes you, just put on ignore. One of those that likes the smell of his own farts.
M1chl
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Numbers. Thousands of people champing (or should that be chimping?) at the bit to register their disgust online is fucking suspicious.
How can watching partial footage of any game justify 0/10 scores the second that the opportunity presents itself to register that opinion online? Short answer it can't and it won't unless you already have an axe to grind.
Because EVERYBODY uses te IGN scoring scheme... /facepalm
How many games get legit 0/10 scores? They don't. Its a blatant review-bombing tactic.
Noone, no. but literally thousands of them? That seems like a manufactured, semi-organized response. And certainly not an organic phenomenon.
Under the circumstances applying Ockham's razor supports my view. Especially as there are several YT who unabashedly have been gunning for the game and its director for weeks now.
If you think any game produced by a developer as well respected across the entire industry as Naughty Dog warrants a 0/10 score you are an idiot, most likely an idiot with an axe to grind.
Disliking the game isn't the issue, its the extremity and timing of these scores that mark them out for being what they are.
Barnabot
Member
by watching a combination of reviews and gameplay sections? sometimes at the expense of learning some spoilers to make sure you're not getting screwed by something worse than receiving spoilers? maybe?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
"it's justified if it benefits my opinion, otherwise it's review bombing and utter pathetic."
I do agree to some extend though.
Umbral
Member
Are you advocating for the silencing or ignoring of disappointed customers? I thought corporations were the enemy? I can’t keep up.The triggering continues as TLOU2 releases today. A mob of children have taken their anger and moral purity to Metacritic to make sure TLOU2 is made an example of. As we watch the salt pour from every single keystroke we're reminded of the fragility of their egos. Snowflaking has never been this good. Here is to enjoying the tears when the reviews eventually get taken down.
The prophet has foreseen it.
The meticulous planning.
AncientOrigin
Member
They don’t really need to play it.If it’s better than the previous game which it is,that is for everyone 5 stars automatically who liked the first game.They give the 5 stars in anticipation of the game.That is not the same.The other group don’t like an amazing game because of one person or something didn’t fit their view or thinking.And no one forced the other group to buy it or play it.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Games seems sold out on amazon uk. I came to post that then just was spoiled by some cunt about a major plot point.. wont quote it for obvious reasons.
Lanrutcon
Member
Jesus fucking Christ. The mental gymnastics on display here.
"No, my side's allowed to review the game before playing it, but when yours does it it's toooooootal bullshit"
GreyHorace
Member
AncientOrigin
Member
Relax man I said it’s not the same.Not that it is perfect to do.
B-universe
Banned
Now try that sentence replacing "disgust" for "enthusiasm".
Read it out loud. See how it sounds.
There are full walkthroughs out there, full plot disclosure videos, detailed ending analysis discussion videos, etc. Yet, somehow, it's not enough to form an opinion.
I'm not commenting on the ethics of posting a review of a game you haven't played. But the notion you have to play it before forming an opinion is absurd. You form opinions on games you haven't and won't play all the time. You watch the trailers, read the previews and then form the opinion those games aren't for you. But this trivial approach is now being maligned because it's just not yielding the kind of results you were hoping for.
Tough luck.
I'm really curious to lean how you've come to know that all 0/10 reviews were from people who didn't paly the game, but all 10/10 reviews were from gamers who did play it, especially since thousands of 5-star reviews were posted ahead of launch.
What a dumb remark.
The point is that there is no universal meaning attached to either a 10/10 or a 0/10, as the IGN example illustrates. If their 10/10 doesn't stand for perfection, then somebody else is equally justified in having their 0/10 not mean absolute rubbish. Their 0/10 could stand for defrauded expectations, for example. Or D-grade story and characters.
Therefore all your assertions about how foolish it would be to rate the second instalment in a AAA franchise a 0/10 are based on an unsubstantiated premise and instantly go out the window.
It's not up to me to show that. You're the one making the claim. You have to provide evidence that these 0/10s are not legitimate.
Hilarious.
Thousands of 5-star reviews ahead of release, likewise on Amazon, but somehow the simpler explanation is the conviennetly partial explanation that ignores half of the facts.
Ah!
I don't give a flying fuck about your grand pronouncements and think there's no good reason anyone should.
Yes, the extreme is only problematic when it's a 0/10. When the extreme is a 10/10, lo and behold, the problem with extremes magically vanishes.
I think I now have a good understanding of how you're approaching this.
We're done here.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
How do you know they're customers?
Victoria3D
Banned
I don’t get it. Is this the same group of angry neckbeards who threw a fit over Ghostbusters (2016), Captain Marvel, and now their target of choice for this year is The Last of Us 2?
Where do these guys congregate to decide on their targets? What is their criteria for choosing their target? I’ve seen lots of media coming out in recent years that feature ‘stronk independent women’ that haven’t been targeted for incel hate spam campaigns.
Why were these particular titles selected for a hate brigade while other titles were ignored? There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to all of it, but they just keep popping up at random like an STD flare-up.
Where do these guys congregate to decide on their targets? What is their criteria for choosing their target? I’ve seen lots of media coming out in recent years that feature ‘stronk independent women’ that haven’t been targeted for incel hate spam campaigns.
Why were these particular titles selected for a hate brigade while other titles were ignored? There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to all of it, but they just keep popping up at random like an STD flare-up.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly.
Nobody has to actually buy a product and use it for 20 hrs before forming an opinion.
If that was the case, nobody would ever read any reviews for anything. Just go to the store and randomly buy a toaster you need or a video game going in blind.
Hey you never know. That $20 two slice toaster and Barbie's Horse Adventures might be the great, but you'd never know unless you gave it a chance. Ignore info and reviews. Just try it.
No thanks. I'll look for something I know I'll like better.
Umbral
Member
Statistically speaking, some of them have to be.
Hobbygaming
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The funny thing is that I keep reading about how the story is so bad but the story is getting damn good and I'm only a few hours in
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
If that's true, then they don't they review bomb on PSN?
Is it because they don't actually have the game?
Yes, that's it.
lmao yesThe only salty people seem to be the bootlickers that actually like this shitty game lmao. Everybody else is having a fun time shitting on it while the people defending the game are like this
Try not to seem so upset, k?
so many triggered SJWs getting angwee that their SJW bullshit PROPAGANDA AGENDA game is getting the reviews it deserves. pretending they are NOT angry lmao. FUCKING SJWS I FUCKING HATE THEM...THEY HAVE RUINED MOVIES, THEY HAVE RUINED GAMES
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Lots of manbabies out there.
I don't play Call of Duty like before, but some of them have got grilled with user reviews..... shitty game..... lootboxes, Activision greedy fucks, crap maps, WWII War Mode only has 3 maps, big maps with lots of players has terrible frame rate, same game different skin, etc.....
User scores on MC and OC for the past FOUR Call of Dutys: MW, BO4, WWII, Infinite Warfare. About 4/10 each. One is in the 3's. Yet the games get around 80/100.
I don't see any Call of Duty fans whining. They just buy the game and enjoy playing MP. Who cares what users scores are.
Yet LoU2 brings out the defenders in droves.
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Hobbygaming
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There was a reddit post early this morning where a guy said he and his boys were basically headed over to review bomb TLOU Part II, they actually plan it out, it's pretty weird and lame lol
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
LoU 2 now is 3.3/10 with 16000 user reviews.
And how many 0/10 can this reddit guy and his buddies really do in the past 12 hours?
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How many fucks you give is irrelevant to the truthfulness of my statement.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
What nonsense is this?
For a review, of course it's compulsory that you've played it, hence the user scores 15 mins after release are worthless.
And to form an opinion on a game, you can call it 'shit' all you like, but if you haven't played it, no-one is going to take you seriously
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
LOL. As if you've never said something is crap without buying and trying yourself.What nonsense is this?
For a review, of course it's compulsory that you've played it, hence the user scores 15 mins after release are worthless.
And to form an opinion on a game, you can call it 'shit' all you like, but if you haven't played it, no-one is going to take you seriously
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You have far right youtubers advocating it.
Last week, they were telling people how the reviews are all BS, but now they're telling you how the user scores are the honest ones.
I don't get people who think this is even remotely reasonable. You have grown men acting like children.
B-universe
Banned
Your unsubstantiated assertions can be dismissed with the exact same ease with which you assert them.
You take a couple thousand people on reddit and other sites plus people on their own who are salty and you can end up with this.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
FIFA 20 has a user score of 1.1/10. Ya. 1.1. And FIFA 19 and 18 aren't much better with scores about 2/10 and 3/10.
When was the last time you saw gamers who buy FIFA (10-15 million+ copies every year?) complain about the user scores?
Who cares. If you like the game, just enjoy. I liked Call of Duty WWII. It's got a 4/10. So what?
www.metacritic.com
When was the last time you saw gamers who buy FIFA (10-15 million+ copies every year?) complain about the user scores?
Who cares. If you like the game, just enjoy. I liked Call of Duty WWII. It's got a 4/10. So what?
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Hobbygaming
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I never said there weren't many of them doing the same thing and given that the 1st game doesn't even have that many user reviews 7 years later proves my point
Not even the best selling game this generation Grand Theft Auto 5 has as many user reviews as TLOU Part II...
jadefire66
Member
This forum has become infested with sjws and shills. They don't even bother setting up an avatar lol. What shall we call these guys with a letter over some randomly colored background?
This game has the worst story in the history of gaming. It's really THAT BAD. No amount of shilling will change the mind of someone who saw the leaks or played the game and saw the disaster for themselves. If I was a reviewer I'd also give it 3/10, or even worse.
This game has the worst story in the history of gaming. It's really THAT BAD. No amount of shilling will change the mind of someone who saw the leaks or played the game and saw the disaster for themselves. If I was a reviewer I'd also give it 3/10, or even worse.
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samporter
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What's with the far right accusation? Has it occurred to you that the game may not be very good, certainly not the 10/10 the game journalist are making it out to be? Review bombing isn't even exclusive to metacritic, it's on every review website from amazon, to yelp, to anything that allows user review.
Granted I think some of the 0/10 are hyperbolic, but it may also imply that users don't think the game is 10/10 either. So the real score from users may lie somewhere in the 5-10 range. With everything is that already available on youtube let's play, this game is looking more like an 8/10 maybe 9/10 if being generous, once more people get to see it for themselves.
The game journalist are bought and paid for shills and this game will prove it with the discrepancy between critic scores and word of mouth/user review.
these sjws are losing. they know it. they are angry we are winning.
they get so mad.
meanwhile SJWS continue to insert the BULLSHIT AGENDAS in our media.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Quartering, Geeks and Gamers etc. are doing it. All you have to do is go on YouTube. Only reason why I'm not posting videos is because some of it might contain spoilers.
You're telling me the user reviews are more reliable than people who actually played the game. Why should I take people seriously who thinks like this?
I am not an SJW but either am an anti-SJW. This situation however has given me some sympathy for them.