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[Elcid]

I love how all those "defenders of legitimate criticism" blatantly come out in this thread exposing their clear bias.

You may not like it as much as the first one, or not agree with some choices in the story but it is a better story than 99% of games out there. The only difference is that in this one there's a prominent lesbian character and no woman is half naked or sexualised in any way so if you ever find yourself saying things like "it took me out of the experience because a girl can't do that...", "two strong women characters banter is not appealing" then yeah, you're in dire need of reevaluiating your biases. And don't go around saying stupid things like "but what abour real people who hate the story, we need to look at the score seriously"! This is concern trollling of highest caliber. 99% percent of these "revews" have barely scribbled text to justify the score and came out before anyone could finish the game - this minority of botters and incels review-bombing and feeling so satisfied from "shoing it to those SJWs" requires pity (you just know it's true, right? you can see these poor people smiling seeling the score bombed) Pity is also required for those who deflect and pretend to be enlightened because they "are not sawyaed into liking the popular game" and millions of people are just sheep cause they are brainwashed by the media and are forced to play through SJW agenda and a bad story.

FYI, it's not that hard to see your shtick: see - you already hate Ellie/Abby/Dina looks and concept and you hate the lesbian story even before the start of the game. Alternatively you read the leaks about lesbian/transgender character and story beats that may or may not be true - oh no, this is too much, SJW agenda which assaults my masculinity! But you think you need to be smarter than that. So you start looking extra hard at every story beat to disagree with from a minor joke to a characterisation which you then interpret it the way that suits you to say that this totally pulled you out of the story and it sucks and therefore the game sucks but you're not a bigoted asshole. Or even less effort just say: wait until you hit unidentified part "sometime later" in the story to see how bad it is? Can't say which part cause spoilers! Saved, you fooled us all and saved us from this disaster which had 95% critic score! Only not really: it's just that transparent and sad.

If you wanna hate the game, this is pretty much judgment free area: just admit you only play as a woman to stare at her ass all the time or have her being saved or romanced in the way you want but woe be if she's slightly manly or capable! Have some balls to admit that this game bothers you because it doesn't allow you to go hetero or have a woman body-type that you prefer and then go back to something like CoD. Or maybe go stare at Chloe's ass in UC:LL while she kills and kicks ass of 100s of soldier-men while complaining about Nadine being too SJW for kicking Nate's ass. Admit that strong women bother you and you can't relate to their problems just like you couldn't in TLJ. (/yeah let's trigger TLJ haters as well, that'll be a nice combo)

I played Resident Evil 2 and 3 with nude mods for Jill and Claire and I regret nothing. I will not be purchasing the Last of Us 2.

 

[Sethbacca]

You don't seem to understand. This notion of 1st amendment only applying to government actions is no longer valid. Social media and I would argue the internet is becoming the new public square. There are pending cases, one of them from president Donald Trump, which is arguing that social media/internet platforms are discriminating against conservatives. We will see what the court decides, but I am guessing, they would want all reasonable opinions to be heard.

Must be a bitch being a conservative in favor of business regulation in spite of the anti 1st amendment nature of the proposed changes. Just shows that none of you read a fucking thing or know a fucking thing beyond the bullshit Hannity et al feed you, and you have absolutely no adherence to what could be called old school conservative values. Trump will be laughed out of this case in the same way he has all his others.

 

[wzy]

Maybe, just maybe, the concept of "free speech" has value that extends beyond some naive legalistic definition. I am a humble gamer and unaccustomed to working with such difficult ideas, but do you suppose it's at all possible that being able to voice your opinion freely and without retribution has some kind of advantage for society that a democratic government is not practically or morally fit to quantify? Like, what if it's one of those uh, oh gee, what do you call it, spirit type things where the literal text of the written law is simply the beginning of the discussion of about the necessary elements of a functioning civil society and not merely a bludgeon to be wielded against people you disagree with?

 

[Woggleman]

The simple solution is to make sure that people who leave reviews have actually played the game. This way at least you know it is a real and honest review. If most of them are negative then so be it but at least they will be honest.

 

[Sethbacca]

Maybe, just maybe, the concept of "free speech" has value that extends beyond some naive legalistic definition. I am a humble gamer and unaccustomed to working with such difficult ideas, but do you suppose it's at all possible that being able to voice your opinion freely and without retribution has some kind of advantage for society that a democratic government is not practically or morally fit to quantify? Like, what if it's one of those uh, oh gee, what do you call it, spirit type things where the literal text of the written law is simply the beginning of the discussion of about the necessary elements of a functioning civil society and not merely a bludgeon to be wielded against people you disagree with?

You can make the argument for such things without invoking the 1st amendment and I'd agree with you. But invoking the 1st amendment completely incorrectly and not knowing how it even works gets you snark every time. If you're going to invoke something be smart enough to know what you're invoking.

I thought you guys were the whole facts don't care about your feelings crowd?

 

[ManaByte]

 

[wzy]

Oh, my mistake, so there would have be no snide, aggravating dismissal of his concern had he simply used the phrase "free speech" instead of "1st amendment"? I have not followed one word of any discussion of this topic for the past six years, so naturally I believe you and trust in your good faith. Also, I hit myself in the head with a hammer from time to time. Thank you for reading.

 

[leo-j]

That wasn't my point, it's all games that either sold tens of millions of copies, or didn't sell as well but were highly anticipated.
Death Stranding was Kojima's epic return, for example.
Fifa 20 sold tons but didn't get bombed, nobody cares, it's lowest common denominator.

I am not sure, because there's exceptions

but it probably depends on a combination of factors: how controversial the situation is, how anticipated the game, how far removed from reality the reviews are.
I bet if they gave Death Stranding a 94 it would've had a bigger and worse user score.

MANLY GREEK GOD WHO USES WOMEN AS TOOLS AND HAD A SEX MINI GAME

vs

lesbians and LGBT crazy storyline

pretty obvious it’s homophobia. Clear homophobia.

 

[RedVIper]

You should only be able to review it if you are verified to own the game and put in a certain amount of hours. Their system is broken.

This would be super biased.

But hei lets keep defending billion dollar companies, lets take way the little power consumers have.

 

[brap]

MANLY GREEK GOD WHO USES WOMEN AS TOOLS AND HAD A SEX MINI GAME

vs

lesbians and LGBT crazy storyline

One sounds based and one sounds like it's made for limp dick self hating millennials with dyed hair.

 

[Sethbacca]

Oh, my mistake, so there would have be no snide, aggravating dismissal of his concern had he simply used the phrase "free speech" instead of "1st amendment"? I have not followed one word of any discussion of this topic for the past six years, so naturally I believe you and trust in your good faith. Also, I hit myself in the head with a hammer from time to time. Thank you for reading.

Ah yes. The concern trolling as I believe it's been called throughout this thread when you guys don't like the content. Shit, now you guys do it too. It's almost like you guys do the same shit you accuse everyone else of and ignore it when the viewpoint aligns with your own.

At any rate I'm done for the evening.

I hope Kratos gets cornholed in the next GoW game just so I can feast on the mountains of salt around here.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

This would be super biased.

But hei lets keep defending billion dollar companies, lets take way the little power consumers have.

This is the dumbest rebuttal/counter to a perfectly sound and valid solution I've ever heard.

 

[Jesb]

This would be super biased.

But hei lets keep defending billion dollar companies, lets take way the little power consumers have.

Yes, so biased to actually own the product your trashing. This would be like people trashing a company on homestars but they never even had any renovations done from said company.

 

[RedVIper]

The simple solution is to make sure that people who leave reviews have actually played the game. This way at least you know it is a real and honest review. If most of them are negative then so be it but at least they will be honest.

So now I can only give my opinion on a game if I give the company 60 bucks first? Pretty genious move there.

This game is focused on story, I can experience the story without playing the game.

 

[Woggleman]

Gays and LGBT are people like anybody else. I have gays in my family and my one cousin is one of the best people I have ever known.

 

[RedVIper]

This is the dumbest rebuttal/counter to a perfectly sound and valid solution I've ever heard.

Yes, so biased to actually own the product your trashing. This would be like people trashing a company on homestars but they never even had any renovations done from said company.

It's not a valid solution. You're making it so that anyone who wants to criticize the game has to give money to the corporation who made it first, if users want to bitch about a game having micro transactions they shouldn't have to pay the company first just so they can leave a review.

And, especially for a game like TLOU, it can be experienced simply by watching, pressing a few buttons during cutscenes is not going to change how I feel about the story.

 

[brap]

Gays and LGBT are people like anybody else. I have gays in my family and my one cousin is one of the best people I have ever known.

That's fake news. They're stunning and brave and better than everybody else which is why TLOU 2 is one of the best games ever.

 

[wzy]

That's fake news. They're stunning and brave and better than everybody else which is why TLOU 2 is one of the best games ever.

Thank you.

 

[Woggleman]

So now I can only give my opinion on a game if I give the company 60 bucks first? Pretty genious move there.

This game is focused on story, I can experience the story without playing the game.

I guess if you played your friend's copy but yes people who have not experienced something should not have their opinion counted because they do not have the full understanding. When a hate campaign by people who have never played the game and don't intend to play can skew the score than something is wrong.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

That's fake news. They're stunning and brave and better than everybody else which is why TLOU 2 is one of the best games ever.

 

[OutRun88]

Gays and LGBT are people like anybody else.

Gays and LGBT?

I know they are constantly updating, changing, and adding to this acronym, but did I miss something?

 

[Woggleman]

TLOU2 being good or bad has nothing to do with gays or LGBT. If their presence in a game is considered an agenda then the SJWs have a point.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Gays and LGBT?

I know they are constantly updating, changing, and adding to this acronym, but did I miss something?

Gaylords.

 

[RedVIper]

I guess if you played your friend's copy but yes people who have not experienced something should not have their opinion counted because they do not have the full understanding. When a hate campaign by people who have never played the game and don't intend to play can skew the score than something is wrong.

What do you mean experienced? I watched a full play trough of the game. Just like the first game the gameplay in TLOU2 seems pretty average, playing the game is not going to make me like it. The story is the focus, and the story is bad, that's it. My opinion doesn't become more or less valid just because I paid 60 bucks for a copy of the game.

 

[benjohn]

Some of the complaints about the game are just quite "AMAZING" for the lack of a better word. You realise these are characters made of pixels right? You may not like the story but saying things like disrespecting the characters? Come ON! People are being killed every day and no one gives a damn but suddenly they care if a character in a video game is gay. I just don't get it.

 

[CyRuZ]

Man, some lady's here have really hard breakdowns when their favorite dev gets some flak. Sony in full damage control? Lol the Sony ponies are a special kind of lemmings.

 

[DarthFeanor]

This seems like "The Last Jedi" situation.

The game as considered a "master piece" even before the first trailer was shown.

Than the "woke" culture embraced Eli as the "heroine" gamers need (again without playing the first or, specially, the second games".

And finally the "insels" go full culture war and "keep politics out of our games".

It is a shit show everywhere.

 

[Sign]

What do you mean experienced? I watched a full play trough of the game. Just like the first game the gameplay in TLOU2 seems pretty average, playing the game is not going to make me like it. The story is the focus, and the story is bad, that's it. My opinion doesn't become more or less valid just because I paid 60 bucks for a copy of the game.

7/10 seems like a pretty accurate score: pretty, decent albeit formulaic gameplay, nice music and voice acting, but poor pacing, dialogue, story, characters among other things. It definitely feels like they TLJ'd the franchise though. This game will certainly make money as will its sequel, but the pristine nature of the franchise is probably gone. Any defenders will have to rely on accusations of bigotry because the actual text does not stand up to scrutiny.

Will always have the first one, I guess.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

What do you mean experienced? I watched a full play trough of the game. Just like the first game the gameplay in TLOU2 seems pretty average, playing the game is not going to make me like it. The story is the focus, and the story is bad, that's it. My opinion doesn't become more or less valid just because I paid 60 bucks for a copy of the game.

Yeah, it does. Right now your opinion doesn't mean much to me and any site that allowed it to be a part of their aggregate wouldn't mean much to me either.

 

[Barakov]

I played Resident Evil 2 and 3 with nude mods for Jill and Claire and I regret nothing. I will not be purchasing the Last of Us 2.

 

[DarthFeanor]

The simple solution is to make sure that people who leave reviews have actually played the game. This way at least you know it is a real and honest review. If most of them are negative then so be it but at least they will be honest.

We can't even make sure IGN reviewer played the full game.

We simply should ignore all those BS 10/10 master pieces reviews and that are fighting to be quoted in the game trailers.

They are as reliable as those insels review bombing in meta critic.

 

[Eevee86]

"Those mean people just hate that Ellie is a lesbian!"
Weird, they didn't seem to care before.

 

[Gamer79]

I guessed it. They're trying to find acceptance with missing out on one of the best games of this generation. It's jealousy

Best game of this generation? If So it is that is a very SAD statement to make. The first was a brilliant game but the second is far from it.

Let's take all of the bullshit Social Justice warrior bullshit story out of the equation.

1. Gameplay is stuck in last generation, Loot collecting, timed button presses, time set pieces, linear, etc. If this is the best of this generation then that means game have evolved 0. Crystal Dynamics Tomb raider has better gameplay and more variety IMO.

2. 0 fun: It's a very depressing story during a virus pandemic in the real world. The timing was bad for such a violet deppressing videogame. Fun is always a factor for me in the games I want to play.

3. What has really evolved since the last of us? Sure it's prettier with the hardware but I see almost 0 evolution since the first game.

4. Factoring in the story, it's going to Alienate many fans. IN business it's never smart to piss off the paying customer.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

"Those mean people just hate that Ellie is a lesbian!"
Weird, they didn't seem to care before.

7 years old and has over 16,000 less ratings!

edit - OMG LOL IT'S NEARLY 20,000 RATINGS NOW

 

[DForce]

Bitch I've never reviewed a game on PSN, I've never even read a review on PSN, does anyone use that shit?

I'm talking about the people who are REVIEW BOMBING Metacritic and google.

I don't know why I even have to say this.

 

[Woggleman]

"Those mean people just hate that Ellie is a lesbian!"
Weird, they didn't seem to care before.

It was a different time. The alt right had not become the force that it is today.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

 

[ExpandKong]

It was a different time. The alt right had not become the force that it is today.

Oh man so it was the alt right that turned Neil Druckmann into a shitty writer and director? They can’t get away with it this time!

 

[Woggleman]

Oh man so it was the alt right that turned Neil Druckmann into a shitty writer and director? They can’t get away with it this time!

No, The alt right and gaming had not gelled back then as much as they do now though we should have seen the signs with gamergate. Also Left Behind was a DLC that most appealed to core fans of the original game.

 

[Eevee86]

It was a different time. The alt right had not become the force that it is today.

Oh please, no one gives a shit that Ellie is a lesbian, that's been known for years. They're pissed because of the story and have been since the spoilers came out.

 

[brap]

"Those mean people just hate that Ellie is a lesbian!"
Weird, they didn't seem to care before.

wow its almost like it felt natural and wasnt all LMAO WE LESBOS NOW BACK THE FUCK OFF SILLY ASIAN BOIZ

 

[Woggleman]

Oh please, no one gives a shit that Ellie is a lesbian, that's been known for years. They're pissed because of the story and have been since the spoilers came out.

I remember the hissy fit when the kiss trailer came out.

 

[DForce]

Oh please, no one gives a shit that Ellie is a lesbian, that's been known for years. They're pissed because of the story and have been since the spoilers came out.

People were upset about the leaked footage because the character was a trans\woman and said it was to push identity politics. They were also accusing ND of trying to get rid of white characters in the game.


You really ignored all those ma'am memes people were sharing online? lol. Yes, people did have an issue with a character being trans (even though that was a fake rumor).

 

[Casanova]

I would kill to see Southpark make an episode about these anti-SJW neckbeards wasting their time with fake reviews because of some made-up agenda. It would be fucking hilarious.

 

[Deto]

lol, 1h

 

[yeehaw]

is this garbage SJW trolling us?

 

[ExpandKong]

No, The alt right and gaming had not gelled back then as much as they do now though we should have seen the signs with gamergate. Also Left Behind was a DLC that most appealed to core fans of the original game.

Ah, so the Alt Right is the new windmill at which you lot can tilt, congealed from the primordial soup of Gamergate.

Do you honestly believe that every negative review and impression of this game is a bigoted troll with some imaginary patch on their sleeve, while also simultaneously believing that every 10/10 is 100% honest and true and earned?

Game publishers paying for good reviews is a known fact, and it has been for decades. You think it stopped for this, the sequel to one of the biggest exclusives Sony’s ever published?

Game’s just kinda shit bro sorry.

 

[leo-j]

Can’t wait for the game to break sales records as an exclusive #winning

 

[yeehaw]

Ah, so the Alt Right is the new windmill at which you lot can tilt, congealed from the primordial soup of Gamergate.

Do you honestly believe that every negative review and impression of this game is a bigoted troll with some imaginary patch on their sleeve, while also simultaneously believing that every 10/10 is 100% honest and true and earned?

Game publishers paying for good reviews is a known fact, and it has been for decades. You think it stopped for this, the sequel to one of the biggest exclusives Sony’s ever published?

Game’s just kinda shit bro sorry.

yep. game is SHIT. lesbian garbage SJW bullshit.

 

[Flying Toaster]

yep. game is SHIT. lesbian garbage SJW bullshit.

Is it SHIT because of the lesbian garbage SJW bullshit or is it SHIT because in general you believe it is poorly designed and implementation of mechanics are subpar leaving it a SHIT game?