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I don’t know. Did you and Claus?
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
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Lies, though. Everyone knows Claus only masturbates to himself.
You don’t understand. It was sdrawkcab UNLIMITED. No mod can touch that.
You don’t understand. It was sdrawkcab UNLIMITED. No mod can touch that.
Kagey K
Banned
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
brap
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Kagey K
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Savage
Bill O'Rights ...
Hi
Rusco Da Vino
You should know by now we're not heavy handed and give users every chance to adapt. Each individual is moderated as an individual, and in proportion to their willing to take responsibility for their own self improvement.
Ass of Can Whooping
(from this point on ACW), was warned for trolling and antagonising users first with posts like these:
PlayStation 5 Reveal on June 4th Postponed
Really disappointed in Sony. The USA is not the whole world. EDIT: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/world/george-floyd-global-protests-intl/index.html
Petition to SOny not to delay their nextgen event
Please, sign this petition so we can have the true nextgen show on 4th June, as anticipated before. http://chng.it/SpkNrvkwtz
A day after being warned and asked to tone down the trolling, they continued to act like the below:
These are not good natured posts. They are low effort posts designed to antagonise and derail threads into arguments. The user was issued a reply ban and again asked (within the space of a day) to tone back the antagonising and trolling. You will also see the note on the ban page makes reference to these previous requests and warnings. They have now been given a week away to seriously consider how they talk and engage with other users. If they continue in this vein, the next warning will be swifter and the next ban will be much more significant.
After two warnings in the space of two days (clearly stating the issues and asking the user to address them) they then think it is appropriate to continue running into certain threads attempting to derail or shut down discussion - basically just going into threads to carry banners, without making any real point or offering anything constructive to the thread. At all. Non-hostile trolling is still trolling, a change of tactics does not mean a change of aim. And just so people are prepared, there will be multiple warnings appearing for others who have been doing this as well in the last few days. You should know this is not acceptable, given you are probably the most prolific reporter in the next gen thread and get antsy when they are rejected. I would ask that you start to 'police your own' because while you seem a polite and balanced individual, others are not and are just spoiling for fights. Hostility does not equal antagonism, as ACW's history shows.
There is a real disconnect between several users being able to actually discuss topics around Sony and those who go in to stifle debate and shut down any sort of peripheral discussion. As most people here now co-exist quite amicably, there are a small number of posters who aren't interested in any discussion, who repeatedly post the same point in a different number of ways, across many, many threads. The pattern that is now evident is that threads seem to start and they are good natured, or searching in answers/debate. People go back and forth generally talking about sales or speculation, then a number of posters turn up to ruin those threads and turn them very hostile indeed. If you want a place to just react and argue in this fashion then Twitter excels at this. We moderate for the community, and a handful of people (always the same people) are trying to dominate that community and thus making it miserable. This is not a path that is acceptable.
The poster you quoted and are lobbying for action was responding to one of the posts I have mentioned above. We have made it clear before, if you attempt to bait users, it is likely that you will be moderated, rather than the person being provoked. As such, that user was removed from the thread and warned about future conduct.
SatansReverence
does not have any current active warnings, and from their posting history does not make a habit of trying to deliberately antagonise people, ignore requests or derail threads. so we do not feel their reaction is disproportionate to the level of disingenuous trolling that took place.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Or, you could try to imagine a few more options for your toolbox in trying to resolve situations like that.
Rusco Da Vino
Member
Thank for your response.Hi
You should know by now we're not heavy handed and give users every chance to adapt. Each individual is moderated as an individual, and in proportion to their willing to take responsibility for their own self improvement.
PlayStation 5 Reveal on June 4th Postponed
Really disappointed in Sony. The USA is not the whole world. EDIT: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/world/george-floyd-global-protests-intl/index.htmlwww.neogaf.com
Petition to SOny not to delay their nextgen event
Please, sign this petition so we can have the true nextgen show on 4th June, as anticipated before. http://chng.it/SpkNrvkwtz
A day after being warned and asked to tone down the trolling, they continued to act like the below:
These are not good natured posts. They are low effort posts designed to antagonise and derail threads into arguments. The user was issued a reply ban and again asked (within the space of a day) to tone back the antagonising and trolling. You will also see the note on the ban page makes reference to these previous requests and warnings. They have now been given a week away to seriously consider how they talk and engage with other users. If they continue in this vein, the next warning will be swifter and the next ban will be much more significant.
After two warnings in the space of two days (clearly stating the issues and asking the user to address them) they then think it is appropriate to continue running into certain threads attempting to derail or shut down discussion - basically just going into threads to carry banners, without making any real point or offering anything constructive to the thread. At all. Non-hostile trolling is still trolling, a change of tactics does not mean a change of aim. And just so people are prepared, there will be multiple warnings appearing for others who have been doing this as well in the last few days. You should know this is not acceptable, given you are probably the most prolific reporter in the next gen thread and get antsy when they are rejected. I would ask that you start to 'police your own' because while you seem a polite and balanced individual, others are not and are just spoiling for fights. Hostility does not equal antagonism, as ACW's history shows.
There is a real disconnect between several users being able to actually discuss topics around Sony and those who go in to stifle debate and shut down any sort of peripheral discussion. As most people here now co-exist quite amicably, there are a small number of posters who aren't interested in any discussion, who repeatedly post the same point in a different number of ways, across many, many threads. The pattern that is now evident is that threads seem to start and they are good natured, or searching in answers/debate. People go back and forth generally talking about sales or speculation, then a number of posters turn up to ruin those threads and turn them very hostile indeed. If you want a place to just react and argue in this fashion then Twitter excels at this. We moderate for the community, and a handful of people (always the same people) are trying to dominate that community and thus making it miserable. This is not a path that is acceptable.
The poster you quoted and are lobbying for action was responding to one of the posts I have mentioned above. We have made it clear before, if you attempt to bait users, it is likely that you will be moderated, rather than the person being provoked. As such, that user was removed from the thread and warned about future conduct.
I did not ask for a review ban for
Ass of Can Whooping
(I have never engaged with this guy before) but I appreciate your time to put all this together and provide a full explanation.About my question, what I would like to point out is that I have been told several times that the best course of action when you see an user trolling or baiting a thread is not to take the bait or engage with the troll in the same way but to report it.
So if the next time I see a guy trolling around what I can do is to tell the guy "fuck off" instead of reporting him, I am also risking to derail the thread big time with a stupid off topic fight because the troll can also fire back.
I reported that "fuck off" comment because I found it againts the rules "NeoGAF is a forum for holding civil, evidence-based discussion" but I did not get a response. I even asked
Mod of War
via PM about the outcome of my report but I did not get a reply so this is why I posted here.Now everything is clear. Thank you your detailed reply. I really appreciate it.
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pawel86ck
Banned
Hi mods, may I ask you why my thread was closed, while another similar one (only with negative opinions) remains open? At least be fair to me and close "negative" thread as well.
But I must say my thread was really worth the effort, because it shows people who really played the game but are disappointed still see many positives and rate the game highly and I can also see similar opinions in other threads as well. My thread was a place for honest people and honest discussion about TLOU2, but I guess even simple rules like "post your impressions only if you played the game" are too much for certain people.
But I must say my thread was really worth the effort, because it shows people who really played the game but are disappointed still see many positives and rate the game highly and I can also see similar opinions in other threads as well. My thread was a place for honest people and honest discussion about TLOU2, but I guess even simple rules like "post your impressions only if you played the game" are too much for certain people.
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pawel86ck
Banned
You dont like me because of our post history, but I can agree with you here. Yes, there are many people here on neogaf who post rude things like "fuck you", and for some strange reason these posts arnt deleted even when reported.Thank for your response.
I did not ask for a review ban for
About my question, what I would like to point out is that I have been told several times that the best course acction when you see a user trolling or baiting a thread is not to take the bait or engage with the troll in the same way but to report it.
So if the next time I see a guy trolling around what I can do is to tell the guy "fuck off" instead of reporting him, I am also risking to derail the thread big time with a stupid off topic fight because the troll can also fire back.
I reported that "fuck off" comment because I founded it againts the rules "NeoGAF is a forum for holding civil, evidence-based discussion" but I did not get a response. I even asked
Now everything is clear. Thank you your detailed reply. I really appreciate it.
Rusco Da Vino
Member
I like you since you tried the imposible: Make a thread about TLOU2 asking people do not spread their hate but to share their honest opinions
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MasterCornholio
Member
Some people think that the report button turns users into judges. I'm happy that it's up to the moderator to make the final decision because many times people make mistakes with reports or they do it for the wrong reasons.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Settle'!
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
It was a decent thread, many tried to express themselves more openly. Even should some genuine negative opinions being broken down and explained, which is appreciated. But maybe dealing with so many threads was the main thing, not that your thread has a problem by itself.
pawel86ck
Banned
I think there's a threshold and if mods will get too many reports alerts for certain post / thread they will make a final decision based on what the majority of people want instead of their own judgement.Some people think that the report button turns users into judges. I'm happy that it's up to the moderator to make the final decision because many times people make mistakes with reports or they do it for the wrong reasons.
I think it also applied to my thread, because mods here on neogaf have open eyes and they can see what's happening even without help from the users. My thread remained open for over 24h and I bet mods have seen it before the final decision was done (my thread was even edited soon after I have submitted it). At first mods have ignored complains because my thread wasnt made for evil reasons, however it looks like more and more users were reporting my thread because of their anger
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nush
Member
Some people think that the report button turns users into judges. I'm happy that it's up to the moderator to make the final decision because many times people make mistakes with reports or they do it for the wrong reasons.
I'd like to see the report button removed and add just one more step no matter how small to cut down on its abuse. Perhaps ad a 60 second wait timer before you can post the report, I'm sure that would be just enough for the most frivolous reporters to not be worth the effort to make.
MasterCornholio
Member
If somebody does abuse the report button the mods can always take that away. And report only brings the mods attention to the comment it doesn't determine if the user will get punished or not.
If people have an issue with people getting banned or having their comments edited, that final decision falls on the mod not the person who reported it.
nush
Member
I mean to lower the amount of reports made in general, it seems its becoming in certain topics a weaponized feature.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The Hamburglar
Banned
Recently had a thread locked and told I have 3 infractions for making a low effort troll thread and I’ll be banned for 2 weeks if I make one again for console warz..
I made a thread to legitimately discuss one additional reason why I think Lockhart is a bad idea. in the same thread I even talked about the strengths of the one x and series x.
Not only that some muppet decided to troll me for zero reason and I’m the one receiving ban threats?
there’s also a Very obvious troll thread from a obvious console warrior going on currently without issue - despite the thread being amusing It’s blatant. Personally don’t care about troll threads but doesn’t seem fair mine get locked and ban threat when others don’t.
I made a thread to legitimately discuss one additional reason why I think Lockhart is a bad idea. in the same thread I even talked about the strengths of the one x and series x.
Not only that some muppet decided to troll me for zero reason and I’m the one receiving ban threats?
there’s also a Very obvious troll thread from a obvious console warrior going on currently without issue - despite the thread being amusing It’s blatant. Personally don’t care about troll threads but doesn’t seem fair mine get locked and ban threat when others don’t.
BlackOlivesMatter
Banned
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Why does PKM catch a ban for linking to a Neonazi Twitter acct but the boards are overrun by lefty NPCs who regularly post propaganda and marxist rhetoric without consequence (or it takes forever, like crowbrow)?
Not saying we should embrace Neo-nazis to even it up, but pairing a harsh crackdown on some deplorable movements while granting tremendous leniency toward others causes problems. I'm also not suggesting that for every x type of ideologue banned, we must also ban an equal number of y and z.
Not saying we should embrace Neo-nazis to even it up, but pairing a harsh crackdown on some deplorable movements while granting tremendous leniency toward others causes problems. I'm also not suggesting that for every x type of ideologue banned, we must also ban an equal number of y and z.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Even a handful of 10 TaySans unfettered will drown out all discourse. Neo Nazis didn't run this board into the ground 3 years ago. Self-declared communists and social justice advocates (i.e. lefties) who constantly "started conversations" did that.
It would be nice if mild-mannered TaySans were the only extremist voices shitting up the board, but that's not the case. I mentioned "lefty NPCs" as a stark contrast to PKM's neo nazi leanings, not as a target to go after next, for what it's worth. Maintaining a fake balance of ideologies and opinions is just as bad.
No need for the caveat that we're not having neo Nazis here, I already mentioned that's not the desire. I want good conversation and long "leashes" for people to show their true colors. Kick the neonazis off the board for outing themselves but apply the same standard to the other subversives and extremists.
I've been on the boards watching PKM's content for awhile. It's not that I want more of it. It's that PKM isn't the only one doing it.
It would be nice if mild-mannered TaySans were the only extremist voices shitting up the board, but that's not the case. I mentioned "lefty NPCs" as a stark contrast to PKM's neo nazi leanings, not as a target to go after next, for what it's worth. Maintaining a fake balance of ideologies and opinions is just as bad.
No need for the caveat that we're not having neo Nazis here, I already mentioned that's not the desire. I want good conversation and long "leashes" for people to show their true colors. Kick the neonazis off the board for outing themselves but apply the same standard to the other subversives and extremists.
I've been on the boards watching PKM's content for awhile. It's not that I want more of it. It's that PKM isn't the only one doing it.
Feel free to point us in the right direction, then.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
I use the Report function from time to time if I feel it's a serious issue. "Pointing in the right direction" is what I'm attempting to do now: go ahead and ban the Neo Nazis / anti semitic posters, but leaving the propagandists and racial supremacists largely untouched will continue to create new extremists to fill the hole left behind with their own contribution of slide threads, antagonism in the community, etc. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the nature of PKM's ban which was linking to a neo nazi account (not the story in question, but the acct). Combined with their post history, it was better to just part ways instead of giving them yet another chance. I get it. They weren't posting neo nazi content, though, which is why I'm surprised by the harshness.
We take care in dealing with any extremist group, whether they are left or right on the political spectrum. Folks who openly promote and defend hateful, racist groups such as Nation of Islam or local terrorist organizations such as ANTIFA will be dealt with the same way. As we can't see everything ongoing in all the threads, we would like to remind all users to use the report function. We will discuss further actions as a team and decide the best course of action afterwards.
As for PKM, he has had a long history of delving into alt-right/neo-nazi territory in the past. His recent posts have simply tipped the scales and we decided, as you said, to part ways.
Sakura Doritos
Member
While Indo agree PKM has had angry posts the guy he quoted was quoting Matt Walsh from the Matt Walsh show on a known Jewish/Christian/Conservative YouTube channel and did a segment on the Karen issue today. That is Ben Shapiros company. I find it all strange, this culture war.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I get what's being argued, especially in the current climate where extremists on the Left have proven to be far more dangerous, literally taking control of parts of cities, burning down cities, etc. It's time we viewed the radical left as being as dangerous as Nazis/Neo-Nazis/KKK because technically at the moment they're more dangerous.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
How many times have you reported me, pussy (ง'̀-'́)ง
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Obviously not enough.
MasterCornholio
Member
Fake
Member
Report button don't quite work, but Its ok.
Depends. You're talking about election period or the next console war?
Depends. You're talking about election period or the next console war?
Sakura Doritos
Member
What is the difference.
Fake
Member
One makes sense.
MasterCornholio
Member
Depending on how you look at it neither makes alot of sense to me.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Some people think that the report button turns users into judges. I'm happy that it's up to the moderator to make the final decision because many times people make mistakes with reports or they do it for the wrong reasons.
Exactly. I trust the mod team to know when to act and when not to. We have already seen some folk cry that their reporting privileges taken away for abusing the report button in the past. I don't see any need to worry about someone abusing the report feature.
MetalAlien
Banned
nush
Member
That has actually happened before, mods could see what was happening so it had no effect on the discourse.
ManaByte
Gold Member
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
A user's post history usually earns them a ban over a report though. I feel like the problem usually corrects itself or it (they) double down on their own hubris . I do get what you mean though. Sorta.
MetalAlien
Banned
I have yet to use the button although I did discuss a poster with Evilore recently. Turned out to just be annoying and not worthy of further pursuit. As for PKM... well Nazi's are dumb asses.. best to not keep company with them otherwise you become a dumb ass yourself.
Nobody wants to have a dumb ass.
Fake
Member
Well, politics choise affect people life and the place you live, for better or for worst. Defending a plastic box on the other hand...
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Banned
@ me next time
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