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[Schmick]

To be taken with a grain of salt. Obviously.

Forza Motorsport 8 details leak - 120 FPS, rally racing, cinematic storyline and more

Forza Horizon 8 is one of the games that Xbox fans hope to see on the upcoming Xbox event and according to the latest leaked details, it will be well worth the wait.

www.altchar.com

 

[GHG]

Please, beyond anything else, fix the fucking wheel support and FFB on PC.

Everything else, with the exception of some corny Cinematic storyline bollox, sounds great.

 

[Hunnybun]

"4k 120 fps with ray tracing"

Err, yeah that's not happening.

 

[Xplainin]

I think Forza 8 is going to blow minds.
I doubt it will be 4k120, but they may have an option for 2k120 or 4k60.

They have developed a new engine from the ground up for the Series X, with full Ray tracing.

I imagine the Forza 8 vs GT7 thread that will pop up on GAF is going to be a hot bed of fanboy juices.

 

[CrysisFreak]

"4k 120 fps with ray tracing"

Err, yeah that's not happening.

I guess not without some major concessions. It's probably smarter if they rolled with 4k60 but who knows.

 

[Schmick]

Please, beyond anything else, fix the fucking wheel support and FFB on PC.

Everything else, with the exception of some corny Cinematic storyline bollox, sounds great.

I think I've heard that FM8 will focus towards eSports so wheel support will have to be fixed.

 

[CrysisFreak]

I think I've heard that FM8 will focus towards eSports so wheel support will have to be fixed.

Isn't GT Sport hyperfocused on eSports already?

 

[Schmick]

Isn't GT Sport hyperfocused on eSports already?

Yes...

 

[baphomet]

100% not legit

 

[Hunnybun]

I guess not without some major concessions. It's probably smarter if they rolled with 4k60 but who knows.

It'd just be so stupid to make that the standard when virtually nobody has a tv that supports it.

I could see 120 fps at 1080p or maybe dynamic res.

 

[INC]

Can't wait to see how it looks. Forza has always had a more appealing art style than GT

 

[Fart Knight]

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Will I ever see FH4 on Steam? JFC.

 

[GHG]

I think I've heard that FM8 will focus towards eSports so wheel support will have to be fixed.

They let people use controllers at their previous e-sports events and many top Forza players have gone on record in saying that it's impossible to be as fast on a wheel as you can be on a controller because of how the FFB is handled.

Basically it will require an overhaul, but they are well aware of this after getting roasted by the PC sim racing community following the release of FM7.

 

[Fart Knight]

"4k 120 fps with ray tracing"

Err, yeah that's not happening.

7 was already running on 60/4K

 

[nkarafo]

 

[Schmick]

Who else cares about trees in a racing game? Apart from nkarafo. Anyone?

 

[EDMIX]

"4k 120 fps with ray tracing"

Err, yeah that's not happening.

Well......i think its more likely then many realize.

Think about what MS is doing first and foremost.

MS stated they are making XONE games for the next 2 years ie no actual exclusive Series X games...

Think about what they've done before and then look at that leak again.

Forza 7 hits native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with 70% GPU

Forza Motorsport 7 runs at native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with GPU power to spare.

www.tweaktown.com

.

Notice.... native 4K 60fps and only 70% of the GPU was being used, that is easy to do when you are going from 1.3 TFLOPs of a BASE GAME to 6TFLOPS of extra head room.

Thats not really shocking that such a thing was done on XBONE X.

yet....anyone here is really shocked or doubtful a system literally 2x the GPU of XBONE X at 12 FLOPS would do a XONE GAME at 120fps?

Why not?

We are NOT talking about Series X EXCLUSIVE GAME, made 100% ONLY to run on Series X or something, we are talking about a company that already told you they are doing XONE games and simply porting them over. I think this is very likely and expected and don't be suprised when you see it as I don't know why a XONE game couldn't do 120fps on Series X, if it did 60fps on XBONE X.

Context is key here.

 

[Hunnybun]

7 was already running on 60/4K

It's not so much that it couldn't be done, just that it'd be incredibly stupid to target a performance level virtually nobody can take advantage of.

 

[AV]

4k 120fps RT

hahaha

 

[Perrott]

Now, before you check out the leak, keep in mind that it is coming from 4chan so it is entirely possible that the info is fake.

That's pretty much all I needed to know.

 

[Hunnybun]

Well......i think its more likely then many realize.

Think about what MS is doing first and foremost.

MS stated they are making XONE games for the next 2 years ie no actual exclusive Series X games...

Think about what they've done before and then look at that leak again.

Forza 7 hits native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with 70% GPU

Forza Motorsport 7 runs at native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with GPU power to spare.

www.tweaktown.com

.

Notice.... native 4K 60fps and only 70% of the GPU was being used, that is easy to do when you are going from 1.3 TFLOPs of a BASE GAME to 6TFLOPS of extra head room.

Thats not really shocking that such a thing was done on XBONE X.

yet....anyone here is really shocked or doubtful a system literally 2x the GPU of XBONE X at 12 FLOPS would do a XONE GAME at 120fps?

Why not?

We are NOT talking about Series X EXCLUSIVE GAME, made 100% ONLY to run on Series X or something, we are talking about a company that already told you they are doing XONE games and simply porting them over. I think this is very likely and expected and don't be suprised when you see it as I don't know why a XONE game couldn't do 120fps on Series X, if it did 60fps on XBONE X.

Context is key here.

Like I said, it COULD be done, but it'd just be stupid, because virtually nobody has a tv that can display 4k at 120 fps.

Plus they'd be stuck revealing a big next gen game that looks like an Xbox One game, which is hardly ideal.

It would make much more sense to have proper next gen visuals at 4k 60 then downgrade as necessary for the One systems.

 

[Insane Metal]

Cinematic storyline?

lol... no thanks

 

[nkarafo]

Who else cares about trees in a racing game? Apart from nkarafo. Anyone?

I mean, if 80% of the screen is covered by trees and foliage, like most racing games do, you want them to look at least not distractingly bad.

 

[CrysisFreak]

It'd just be so stupid to make that the standard when virtually nobody has a tv that supports it.

I could see 120 fps at 1080p or maybe dynamic res.

I was thinking about that a lot recently. Only very few hardcore enthusiasts have those 4K120 HDMI2.1 displays.
It's just not a smart move, although I'd find it super cool.

 

[GHG]

I mean, if 80% of the screen is covered by trees and foliage, like most racing games do, you want them to look at least not distractingly bad.

It now makes sense why the online racing in Forza resembles wreckfest.

Everyone's too busy gawking at the trees instead of focusing on their position on the road in relation to other cars and spotting their next brake point.

 

[Hunnybun]

I was thinking about that a lot recently. Only very few hardcore enthusiasts have those 4K120 HDMI2.1 displays.
It's just not a smart move, although I'd find it super cool.

I'd consider myself pretty into display technology and even I'm not planning to upgrade my 4k Sony XE90 for several years.

 

[EDMIX]

Like I said, it COULD be done, but it'd just be stupid, because virtually nobody has a tv that can display 4k at 120 fps.

Plus they'd be stuck revealing a big next gen game that looks like an Xbox One game, which is hardly ideal.

It would make much more sense to have proper next gen visuals at 4k 60 then downgrade as necessary for the One systems.

Yet...that is exactly what they are doing at theses reveals....showing games that look like XONE games cause they are using that system as a base for the next few years. So I agree its stupid, but this isn't about what I think about it as a business move, this is simply stating its extremely likely based on what MS is aiming for.

"It would make much more sense to have proper next gen visuals" Ok...I agree....

That isn't what MS is doing, its why I'm stating they are 100% going to do this, not because I want them to and support it or agree with it, but because they already told you they are using XONE for the next 2 years and Forza 7 runs 4K 60FPS.

It would be like if EA came out and said the will do season passes again for all of their games.

A leak comes out and states BFVI or something has a Season Pass...

You state "Err, yeah that's not happening"

......If I tell you what EA has stated before, what they have done in the past and what their reveals look like in terms of season passes, that is not arguing with you if I support it or not or if I think its "stupid" or what "would make much more sense"....

I'm telling you what will likely happen based on MS's actions. Not what they should do or if its stupid or what makes more sense from my perspective. Shit, of course I think making a NEXT GEN ONLY game makes more sense, but this leak isn't about that. I even agree with you overall that its stupid to even downgrade a game from what it could look like all in the name of getting some high numbers and doing all those ports from last gen.

Simply that isn't really what the leak is about.

 

[cormack12]

That's pretty much all I needed to know.

lol, yeah. They do have some leaks but at that point it's kind of just .........mmmm................

 

[Birdo]

Cinematic Storyline

 

[Schmick]

It's not so much that it couldn't be done, just that it'd be incredibly stupid to target a performance level virtually nobody can take advantage of.

Thats the world we live in though. Where numbers seem to sell consoles.

 

[pawel86ck]

4K 120 fps? Nooo I dont want xbox one graphics fidelity.

 

[Hunnybun]

Yet...that is exactly what they are doing at theses reveals....showing games that look like XONE games cause they are using that system as a base for the next few years. So I agree its stupid, but this isn't about what I think about it as a business move, this is simply stating its extremely likely based on what MS is aiming for.

"It would make much more sense to have proper next gen visuals" Ok...I agree....

That isn't what MS is doing, its why I'm stating they are 100% going to do this, not because I want them to and support it or agree with it, but because they already told you they are using XONE for the next 2 years and Forza 7 runs 4K 60FPS.

It would be like if EA came out and said the will do season passes again for all of their games.

A leak comes out and states BFVI or something has a Season Pass...

You state "Err, yeah that's not happening"

......If I tell you what EA has stated before, what they have done in the past and what their reveals look like in terms of season passes, that is not arguing with you if I support it or not or if I think its "stupid" or what "would make much more sense"....

I'm telling you what will likely happen based on MS's actions. Not what they should do or if its stupid or what makes more sense from my perspective. Shit, of course I think making a NEXT GEN ONLY game makes more sense, but this leak isn't about that. I even agree with you overall that its stupid to even downgrade a game from what it could look like all in the name of getting some high numbers and doing all those ports from last gen.

Simply that isn't really what the leak is about.

Sorry but unless I've missed some memo Microsoft has never said that Xbox One will continue to be the lead platform, just that Series X games will continue to have One versions.

Sorry if I'm wrong but I genuinely have never heard them say the former.

If it's just a case of them continuing to release on One, then imo the likelihood is they'll build the games for the Series X and then downgrade them for the older systems.

That looks like what they're doing for Halo Infinite, based on the footage seen so far. That doesn't look like a game that could run at 120 fps on the Series X.

 

[Hunnybun]

Thats the world we live in though. Where numbers seem to sell consoles.

Funny cos virtually everyone else on here seems to think we won't see 60 fps games next gen cos an fps number doesn't shift units.

 

[Xplainin]

Well......i think its more likely then many realize.

Think about what MS is doing first and foremost.

MS stated they are making XONE games for the next 2 years ie no actual exclusive Series X games...

Think about what they've done before and then look at that leak again.

Forza 7 hits native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with 70% GPU

Forza Motorsport 7 runs at native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with GPU power to spare.

www.tweaktown.com

.

Notice.... native 4K 60fps and only 70% of the GPU was being used, that is easy to do when you are going from 1.3 TFLOPs of a BASE GAME to 6TFLOPS of extra head room.

Thats not really shocking that such a thing was done on XBONE X.

yet....anyone here is really shocked or doubtful a system literally 2x the GPU of XBONE X at 12 FLOPS would do a XONE GAME at 120fps?

Why not?

We are NOT talking about Series X EXCLUSIVE GAME, made 100% ONLY to run on Series X or something, we are talking about a company that already told you they are doing XONE games and simply porting them over. I think this is very likely and expected and don't be suprised when you see it as I don't know why a XONE game couldn't do 120fps on Series X, if it did 60fps on XBONE X.

Context is key here.

Forza 7 was also developed for PC, which is what the Xbox One X was ported from. It used the PC high and ultra settings.
Forza 8 is also being developed for the PC, and not only the Xbox One. Obviously the Xbox One wont be using the same assets as Series X and PC versions will.
So it is not a ported over version on the Xbox One, it's being built for the Series X alongside the PC version.

 

[Bogroll]

Well......i think its more likely then many realize.

Think about what MS is doing first and foremost.

MS stated they are making XONE games for the next 2 years ie no actual exclusive Series X games...

Think about what they've done before and then look at that leak again.

Forza 7 hits native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with 70% GPU

Forza Motorsport 7 runs at native 4K 60FPS on Xbox One X with GPU power to spare.

www.tweaktown.com

.

Notice.... native 4K 60fps and only 70% of the GPU was being used, that is easy to do when you are going from 1.3 TFLOPs of a BASE GAME to 6TFLOPS of extra head room.

Thats not really shocking that such a thing was done on XBONE X.

yet....anyone here is really shocked or doubtful a system literally 2x the GPU of XBONE X at 12 FLOPS would do a XONE GAME at 120fps?

Why not?

We are NOT talking about Series X EXCLUSIVE GAME, made 100% ONLY to run on Series X or something, we are talking about a company that already told you they are doing XONE games and simply porting them over. I think this is very likely and expected and don't be suprised when you see it as I don't know why a XONE game couldn't do 120fps on Series X, if it did 60fps on XBONE X.

Context is key here.

I think that 70 % gpu usage was at the same settings as base Xbox One because in the end XB1X Forza 7 settings has way higher settings than XB1.

 

[EDMIX]

Sorry but unless I've missed some memo Microsoft has never said that Xbox One will continue to be the lead platform

My comment stated the following. " they already told you they are using XONE for the next 2 years"

MS has 100% stated they are making all their games on XONE for the next 2 years...

Don't expect first-party Xbox Series X exclusives for a couple of years

First-party Xbox Series X games won't be exclusive to the console for a while, Microsoft has said.Speaking to MCV, Xbox…

www.eurogamer.net

Microsoft says Xbox Series X won’t have exclusive first-party games at launch

The console will be backwards compatible and support Xbox Play Anywhere

www.theverge.com

"All of our games... will play up and down that family of devices" – Xbox's Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it - MCV/DEVELOP

We catch up with Matt Booty, head of Xbox Game Studios,

www.mcvuk.com

" just that Series X games will continue to have One versions. " Semitics and please stop... it doesn't even make sense.

XONE versions will continue to have SERIES X VERSIONS!

They would not make a game on Series X and the proceed to find ways to make it run on XONE, they will make it on XONE and then port it to Series X to have extra head room to do stuff like 120FPS at 4K. So making it seem as if its just a next gen game that has past gen support sounds really silly. Its a last gen game being ported......

" That doesn't look like a game that could run at 120 fps on the Series X. "

How do you know? The game is literally a XONE game......

So they've already stated they are continuing XONE support, its clear they are just porting those games to Series X as you go from small to high, you don't generally go from making it on a next gen system to a last gen system as that doesn't even make any sense.

Thats like saying ACIV was made from next gen systems like PS4 and XONE from the START and they just found a way to make it work on PS3, 360 etc.

Clearly AC Unity, Odyssey etc don't simply look at ACIV on PS4 for that argument to ever really make sense. Its very, very clear that "cross gen" games are simply last gen games ported, they are not FULLY 100% NEXT GEN GAMES and then you have some last gen version.

Unlikely.

I mean my god sir, you are saying stuff like "That doesn't look like a game that could run at 120 fps on the Series X. " on a leak talking about Forza 8 running 4K 120FPS....... soooooooo its sounding like that is 100% why MS for the next 2 years is just doing XONE games ported, so they can have all those games actually do that. So Forza will do that but not Halo?

Yet when they tell us Halo is doing that, but not gears? Is it really not clear to you that they are just making XONE games and ported them to get those numbers even with their latest reveals of games literally looking like XONE games?

So I don't know what to tell you. You want something that MS themselves are not actually even supporting....

Xplainin Moot. The game must still actually be a XONE game. Even being made along side PC is irrelevant if clearly they need to be limited by the base of XONE..

 

[Xplainin]

My comment stated the following. " they already told you they are using XONE for the next 2 years"

MS has 100% stated they are making all their games on XONE for the next 2 years...

Don't expect first-party Xbox Series X exclusives for a couple of years

First-party Xbox Series X games won't be exclusive to the console for a while, Microsoft has said.Speaking to MCV, Xbox…

www.eurogamer.net

Microsoft says Xbox Series X won’t have exclusive first-party games at launch

The console will be backwards compatible and support Xbox Play Anywhere

www.theverge.com

"All of our games... will play up and down that family of devices" – Xbox's Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it - MCV/DEVELOP

We catch up with Matt Booty, head of Xbox Game Studios,

www.mcvuk.com

" just that Series X games will continue to have One versions. " Semitics and please stop... it doesn't even make sense.

XONE versions will continue to have SERIES X VERSIONS!

They would not make a game on Series X and the proceed to find ways to make it run on XONE, they will make it on XONE and then port it to Series X to have extra head room to do stuff like 120FPS at 4K. So making it seem as if its just a next gen game that has past gen support sounds really silly. Its a last gen game being ported......

" That doesn't look like a game that could run at 120 fps on the Series X. "

How do you know? The game is literally a XONE game......

So they've already stated they are continuing XONE support, its clear they are just porting those games to Series X as you go from small to high, you don't generally go from making it on a next gen system to a last gen system as that doesn't even make any sense.

Thats like saying ACIV was made from next gen systems like PS4 and XONE from the START and they just found a way to make it work on PS3, 360 etc.

Clearly AC Unity, Odyssey etc don't simply look at ACIV on PS4 for that argument to ever really make sense. Its very, very clear that "cross gen" games are simply last gen games ported, they are not FULLY 100% NEXT GEN GAMES and then you have some last gen version.

Unlikely.

I mean my god sir, you are saying stuff like "That doesn't look like a game that could run at 120 fps on the Series X. " on a leak talking about Forza 8 running 4K 120FPS....... soooooooo its sounding like that is 100% why MS for the next 2 years is just doing XONE games ported, so they can have all those games actually do that. So Forza will do that but not Halo?

Yet when they tell us Halo is doing that, but not gears? Is it really not clear to you that they are just making XONE games and ported them to get those numbers even with their latest reveals of games literally looking like XONE games?

So I don't know what to tell you. You want something that MS themselves are not actually even supporting....

Xplainin Moot. The game must still actually be a XONE game. Even being made along side PC is irrelevant if clearly they need to be limited by the base of XONE..

Will the XSX version be limited by the Xbox Ones lack of Ray Tracing?
Will the XSX version only be able to use the Xbox Ones ability to stream lower level textures?

Its a racing game. It won't in any way be limited or gimped by the fact that they are also making a version for Xbox One.

The XSX version will use Ray Tracing, Velocity Architecture, highest level textures, it will use the increased GPU power and CPU power, not to mention the faster RAM.

Its wishful thinking to say that Forza 8 will be limited by the Xbox One, as that straight up is incorrect.

 

[Hunnybun]

My comment stated the following. " they already told you they are using XONE for the next 2 years"

MS has 100% stated they are making all their games on XONE for the next 2 years...

Don't expect first-party Xbox Series X exclusives for a couple of years

First-party Xbox Series X games won't be exclusive to the console for a while, Microsoft has said.Speaking to MCV, Xbox…

www.eurogamer.net

Microsoft says Xbox Series X won’t have exclusive first-party games at launch

The console will be backwards compatible and support Xbox Play Anywhere

www.theverge.com

"All of our games... will play up and down that family of devices" – Xbox's Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it - MCV/DEVELOP

We catch up with Matt Booty, head of Xbox Game Studios,

www.mcvuk.com

" just that Series X games will continue to have One versions. " Semitics and please stop... it doesn't even make sense.

XONE versions will continue to have SERIES X VERSIONS!

They would not make a game on Series X and the proceed to find ways to make it run on XONE, they will make it on XONE and then port it to Series X to have extra head room to do stuff like 120FPS at 4K. So making it seem as if its just a next gen game that has past gen support sounds really silly. Its a last gen game being ported......

" That doesn't look like a game that could run at 120 fps on the Series X. "

How do you know? The game is literally a XONE game......

So they've already stated they are continuing XONE support, its clear they are just porting those games to Series X as you go from small to high, you don't generally go from making it on a next gen system to a last gen system as that doesn't even make any sense.

Thats like saying ACIV was made from next gen systems like PS4 and XONE from the START and they just found a way to make it work on PS3, 360 etc.

Clearly AC Unity, Odyssey etc don't simply look at ACIV on PS4 for that argument to ever really make sense. Its very, very clear that "cross gen" games are simply last gen games ported, they are not FULLY 100% NEXT GEN GAMES and then you have some last gen version.

Unlikely.

I mean my god sir, you are saying stuff like "That doesn't look like a game that could run at 120 fps on the Series X. " on a leak talking about Forza 8 running 4K 120FPS....... soooooooo its sounding like that is 100% why MS for the next 2 years is just doing XONE games ported, so they can have all those games actually do that. So Forza will do that but not Halo?

Yet when they tell us Halo is doing that, but not gears? Is it really not clear to you that they are just making XONE games and ported them to get those numbers even with their latest reveals of games literally looking like XONE games?

So I don't know what to tell you. You want something that MS themselves are not actually even supporting....

Xplainin Moot. The game must still actually be a XONE game. Even being made along side PC is irrelevant if clearly they need to be limited by the base of XONE..

Lol that's a lot of fucking text.

Look, it boils down to one question: will they primarily target current gen or next gen in this cross gen period.

We don't know. You've admitted as much.

My point of view is that it's easier to develop primarily for next gen and then port down than vice versa. I think it would make more sense for them to have base One games running at 720p 30 fps with low settings than Series X games at 4k 120 fps with high settings, because 120 fps is such a pointless target.

Plus, there's the commercial imperative. Microsoft isn't entirely free of the need to make Series X games look something remotely like next gen. They've made this fancy console, it stands to reason they want to sell it to us. That's a lot more difficult if the games look a generation behind PS5 games.

I'm not saying they definitely won't do as you say they will. It's possible.

I'm just saying they're fucking stupid if they do.

 

[EDMIX]

Will the XSX version be limited by the Xbox Ones lack of Ray Tracing?
Will the XSX version only be able to use the Xbox Ones ability to stream lower level textures?

Its a racing game. It won't in any way be limited or gimped by the fact that they are also making a version for Xbox One.

The XSX version will use Ray Tracing, Velocity Architecture, highest level textures, it will use the increased GPU power and CPU power, not to mention the faster RAM.

Its wishful thinking to say that Forza 8 will be limited by the Xbox One, as that straight up is incorrect.

I disagree greatly.

When you have folks say stuff like "4K 120 fps? Nooo I dont want xbox one graphics fidelity." Its clear many of us know HOW this is being done and at what sacrifice.


"Its a racing game. It won't in any way be limited or gimped by the fact that they are also making a version for Xbox One" Nah.

They are making a XONE version and porting it to Series X. We can relax on all the semitatics making it seem as if 2 fucking games are being made, they are making 1 game and proceeding to port it.

Thats like trying to say The Last Of Us remastered is them making a "PS4 version", nah bud, its them PORTING A PS3 GAME TO PS4......

As to why something like The Last Of Us 1 doesn't look like The Last Of Us 2 or Uncharted 4 or anything like that on PS4. Being ON a system doesn't mean the game was made from the ground up for the system.

Its why ACIV doesn't look like Unity.

Why BF4 doesn't look as good as BF1 or BFV

Its why Watchdogs 1 doesn't look as impressive as Watchdogs 2.

Porting a game on PS4 or XONE doesn't actually mean it will actually look as good as ground up PS4 and XONE games.

CLEARLY porting XONE games to Series X or PS4 to PS5 is not going to look like native made from the ground up PS5 or Series X games.

Trust.

THEY ARE NOT MAKING 2 DIFFERENT FUCKING GAMES. ie 1 last gen and 1 next gen. It sounds like desperate hyperbole. Shit I'm buying some cross gen games myself like Cyberpunk 2077 and AC Valhalla, but I don't fucking kid myself as if THOSE games actually show what the next gen systems can actually do. Unlikely.


AC IV wasn't on the level of Unity.

Porting a game doesn't actually mean its "next gen" folks. Not sure why now people are trying to force that narrative when this company is now gimping their own system.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

I disagree greatly.

When you have folks say stuff like "4K 120 fps? Nooo I dont want xbox one graphics fidelity." Its clear many of us know HOW this is being done and at what sacrifice.


"Its a racing game. It won't in any way be limited or gimped by the fact that they are also making a version for Xbox One" Nah.

They are making a XONE version and porting it to Series X. We can relax on all the semitatics making it seem as if 2 fucking games are being made, they are making 1 game and proceeding to port it.

Thats like trying to say The Last Of Us remastered is them making a "PS4 version", nah bud, its them PORTING A PS3 GAME TO PS4......

As to why something like The Last Of Us 1 doesn't look like The Last Of Us 2 or Uncharted 4 or anything like that on PS4. Being ON a system doesn't mean the game was made from the ground up for the system.

Its why ACIV doesn't look like Unity.

Why BF4 doesn't look as good as BF1 or BFV

Its why Watchdogs 1 doesn't look as impressive as Watchdogs 2.

Porting a game on PS4 or XONE doesn't actually mean it will actually look as good as ground up PS4 and XONE games.

CLEARLY porting XONE games to Series X or PS4 to PS5 is not going to look like native made from the ground up PS5 or Series X games.

Trust.

THEY ARE NOT MAKING 2 DIFFERENT FUCKING GAMES. ie 1 last gen and 1 next gen. It sounds like desperate hyperbole. Shit I'm buying some cross gen games myself like Cyberpunk 2077 and AC Valhalla, but I don't fucking kid myself as if THOSE games actually show what the next gen systems can actually do. Unlikely.


AC IV wasn't on the level of Unity.

Porting a game doesn't actually mean its "next gen" folks. Not sure why now people are trying to force that narrative when this company is now gimping their own system.

WD1 with few mods that return it to pre-downgrade state looks way better than WD2.

 

[Schmick]

Funny cos virtually everyone else on here seems to think we won't see 60 fps games next gen cos an fps number doesn't shift units.

Well the PS4 sold well because it was the most powerful, then the Xbox One X. Numbers sell consoles.

 

[EDMIX]

WD1 with few mods that return it to pre-downgrade state looks way better than WD2.

Irrelevant.

The fact that the game must be altered with mods simply proves the point I'm making. Its even more moot when you realize you could just argue WD2 with mods 8k 200fps and ray tracing looks better then WD1....

Sure but, my point was simply that WD1 is a cross gen title not made to use the PS4 and XONE like WD2 was. As to why it NEEDS MODs to look better then WD2.

Keep in mind, I don't disagree with your statement in general, simply that with cross gen games, most companies are not making legit 2 versions, ie 1 last gen version and 1 next gen version that maxes out the system or something. They are simply making 1 version and porting it.

If it really was the case, then ACIV would actually look like AC Unity in terms of a deeply demanding engine

 

[Knitted Knight]

Everything was reading well until I read 4k 120 fps with quality over quatinty as a focus + cinamtic story mode and all the other jazz. You can make a 120 fps racer but those graphics are gonna take a fat hit. Add ray tracing to the mix etc.... lets just say: Press X for doubt. MS wants a looker too to push the Series X.

 

[Stuart360]

WD1 with few mods that return it to pre-downgrade state looks way better than WD2.

I actually think WatchDogs 1 unmodded looks better than 2 anyway. The lighting seems a lot better and natural.

 

[Kenpachii]

It's basically a forza 7 expansion.



4k 120fps will be doable without issue's, the game really isn't much taxing.

 

[ACESHIGH]

I just want them to fix the car selection:

No more pick up trucks or weird shit
Please stop having that many American cars.
Add more Japanese and European cars
Focus on pre 2005 cars, modern car design sucks.

 

[Stuart360]

Irrelevant.

The fact that the game must be altered with mods simply proves the point I'm making. Its even more moot when you realize you could just argue WD2 with mods 8k 200fps and ray tracing looks better then WD1....

Sure but, my point was simply that WD1 is a cross gen title not made to use the PS4 and XONE like WD2 was. As to why it NEEDS MODs to look better then WD2.

Although you're probably right in what you have said in this thread, lets not forget the likes of Dragon Age Inquisition, and Shadow of Mordor. Its probably true but its not certain that XSX version of games will just be XB1 version at higher rez and framerate.

 

[Dory16]

This 120 fps rumour is probably made up by someone who wants to generate disappointment when it's "only" 4k60

 

[Xplainin]

I disagree greatly.

When you have folks say stuff like "4K 120 fps? Nooo I dont want xbox one graphics fidelity." Its clear many of us know HOW this is being done and at what sacrifice.


"Its a racing game. It won't in any way be limited or gimped by the fact that they are also making a version for Xbox One" Nah.

They are making a XONE version and porting it to Series X. We can relax on all the semitatics making it seem as if 2 fucking games are being made, they are making 1 game and proceeding to port it.

Thats like trying to say The Last Of Us remastered is them making a "PS4 version", nah bud, its them PORTING A PS3 GAME TO PS4......

As to why something like The Last Of Us 1 doesn't look like The Last Of Us 2 or Uncharted 4 or anything like that on PS4. Being ON a system doesn't mean the game was made from the ground up for the system.

Its why ACIV doesn't look like Unity.

Why BF4 doesn't look as good as BF1 or BFV

Its why Watchdogs 1 doesn't look as impressive as Watchdogs 2.

Porting a game on PS4 or XONE doesn't actually mean it will actually look as good as ground up PS4 and XONE games.

CLEARLY porting XONE games to Series X or PS4 to PS5 is not going to look like native made from the ground up PS5 or Series X games.

Trust.

THEY ARE NOT MAKING 2 DIFFERENT FUCKING GAMES. ie 1 last gen and 1 next gen. It sounds like desperate hyperbole. Shit I'm buying some cross gen games myself like Cyberpunk 2077 and AC Valhalla, but I don't fucking kid myself as if THOSE games actually show what the next gen systems can actually do. Unlikely.


AC IV wasn't on the level of Unity.

Porting a game doesn't actually mean its "next gen" folks. Not sure why now people are trying to force that narrative when this company is now gimping their own system.

They arnt making it for the xbox one and porting it up, thats just stupid.
Turn 10 have these things called "Xbox Series X Developer Kits".
Just like they will also develop the game for Nvidia Cards, with Nvidia Ray Tracing, for Intel CPUs, for AMD CPUs, for 8 core CPUs, for 6 core CPUs, 4 core etc.
They have developed it for RDNA 1 and 2 GPUs, Vega GPUs, for GDDR 5 RAM, for GDDR 6 RAM.
They have developed it with Ray Tracing, and without Ray Tracing, with VRS and without VRS, with 8k textures, and without 8k textures.
Devs like Turn 10 dont just develop a game for Xbox One and "port it up" to the Series X. Thats not how they work. They will develop it to take advantage of powerful CPUs like i9s, or Zen, and they will also develop it for lower level CPUs. They will develop it for high end GPUs like the 2080ti, for the upcoming RDNA 2 cards, and even then new Nvidia 30 series cards.

They have also developed their new Engine for the upcoming generation in mind. It is their next engine to take them out for the next 10 years. They made that engine to take advantage of the new generation of consoles and PC parts.