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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Every country has that.
poppabk
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It's hard to tell. Younger people make up more of the infected, hospital procedures have improved, treatment options even if not perfect now exist, medical staff are more experienced in identifying complications earlier.
But if it does spike it is already too late to avoid significant numbers of deaths.
Rock And Roll
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Listen man you know I love you from MLB GAF and I don't begrudge anyone for their opinion on the internet, especially in the midst of a new disease that no one knows anything about. I personally don't have a problem with you posting alternate viewpoints or takes on the situation. It's just you've insulted anyone who disagrees with you along the way despite being wrong repeatedly throughout the duration of this.
First you didn't believe it would even make it over here and if it did it wouldn't be a threat to anyone, calling us all mindless idiots/cowards etc... Then you came back after numbers started to go down, called us all idiots for falling for "media hysteria", told us all to "fuck off", accused us of "jerking off to fear porn" for posting any article that doesn't align with your viewpoint, then you went on saying you'll bookmark posts in an attempt to prove us all wrong. Once again, you were wrong and now we're jerking off to fear porn again.
Really I wish you were right, no one in this thread likes seeing an increase in cases or deaths. It would be nice if it went away, but that's clearly not going to happen. So maybe before you start insulting people with differing views you should remember a lot of your predictions have fallen flat. Again, I don't care if you have a different take on this (please continue posting articles and what not, I do like to read other takes on this situation), but calling us all sheep and other stuff is getting old.
Jonsoncao
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ManaByte
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cryptoadam
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I guess its a rock and a hard spot. Undercount deaths and then you are accused of being a China. Over count deaths and you are accused of being in it for money and fear.
Much like testing there doesnt seem to be a universal standard.
I guess its a rock and a hard spot. Undercount deaths and then you are accused of being a China. Over count deaths and you are accused of being in it for money and fear.
Much like testing there doesnt seem to be a universal standard.
cryptoadam
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bRacing
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And deaths from pneumonia are way up instead of listing them as Covid.
cryptoadam
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Can anyone confirm this ? I did google the maks mandate in Cali went into effect on June 18th ???
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I mean the data is probably accurate. There is no real claim here, so there is nothing else to judge accurate or not.
Can anyone confirm this ? I did google the maks mandate in Cali went into effect on June 18th ???
Spot on
cryptoadam
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ManaByte
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The claim is that the masks cause increased incubation or something?
prag16
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To be fair, a lot of the fear porn brigade almost completely disappeared for long stretches, until there was more fear porn to tout. And I did admit to being wrong initially when I doubted it would even make it over here significantly. At the time I was erroneously expecting it to mirror SARS 1. I admitted to being way off on that.
That being said I still think the lockdowns and stay at home orders were way too draconian and that we caused a ton of unnecessary harm with questionable benefit. I'm not saying we should have done absolutely nothing, but we aren't going to have the full pictures of the collateral damage for possibly years. I was completely right when the lockdowns started that there was no way this would just be for a few weeks, and that we'd see the goalposts moving, which has absolutely happened.
We also now know that we were killing tons of people unnecessarily by ventilating too early and often (some people don't accept that this happened, but it did; it's just a question of to what extent), and of course sending infected patients to set fire to nursing homes. We also had the bizarre anti HCQ campaign which quite possibly killed tons of people (though I know there's a lot of disagreement on that too).
Basically I will not admit to being repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly wrong because I was mostly right on key points of true infection fatality rate being drastically lower than originally assumed, I was right about how the lockdown crew would move the goalposts, and it's indisputable that the media has been fanning the flames this whole time, e.g. the convenient shift from "deaths" to "cases" and now immediately back to touting deaths again as soon as it fits their narrative. They want desparately to destroy Trump, that is also indisputable. This is probably the easiest way. It's also still too early to say with any kind of confidence that we're on the doorstep of a massive surge in deaths. The average age of these current cases is much lower than in the beginning and I'd hope no one is still stupid enough to shove tubes down someone's throat right off the bat, or send biological weapons into long term care homes deliberately.
I've been too aggressive at times I'll admit, but I can't take the extreme hysteria anymore.
(I'll say one more dickheaded thing though: I 100% believe there are people in this thread that absolutely are happy about the increases, and don't want to see this go away before the election. Hopefully not many. I don't think it's controversial to say there are some in the political class that feel this way... the ends justify the means.)
CloudNull
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cryptoadam
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Mask mandate on June 18th = 3803 cases
3 weeks later June 10 = 8700 cases.
Californians not wearing masks and following the mandate?
CloudNull
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I hate fear porn. Out of all these disagreements I wish people would be more analytical of everything they read no matter the source. Logic is crucial and people need to stop posting news just because the headlines agree with them.
Maybe I am wrong and this is as bad as everyone makes it out to be but until the data shows that I will stick to it being overblown.
Also for people saying Germany has less death counts. Can anybody source how Germany actually logs Covid deaths? Most of us in the US are pissed about the way so many states calculate deaths differently. Covid can’t be the cure to cancer and pneumonia.
Anecdotal evidence. Oregon has super low counts but I know they are still super strict on who they test. They will not test people until they have all the signs. I bet the case count is much higher and will be going up a ton over the next few weeks as more testing happens.
12Goblins
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San Antonio doctor says young man died after attending a COVID-19 party
A doctor from Methodist Hospital in San Antonio said a young man died after attending a COVID-19 party.
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T. T
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"In this episode, Dr. Osterholm and host Chris Dall discuss the continued increase in cases throughout much of the United States, how other countries have managed the pandemic, the latest on aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2, and the just released CIDRAP Viewpoint on COVID-19 surveillance." (7/10/20)
Joe T.
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The fearmongering is a real problem, though. When asked a simple question about it the guilty parties dodge and return with more of it. Some people are a lot more anxious than others, but adding context and perspective to what's happening helps lower the temperature. Some seem to have no interest in lowering that temperature, only raising it.
All of this we're going through is ultimately the CCP's doing, they spent weeks covering up what was happening there instead of warning us about it. The outbreak could have been mitigated by as much as 95% had they just acted responsibly and everyone's now forgotten that salient point because they're too busy fighting each other, something I'm sure a lot of powerful people are loving.
People need to remember, the US and Italy took some of the quickest action which was criticized by the WHO and politicized by desperate goons looking to score easy points, but it made little difference because the damage had already been done by January 31st. It's difficult to see what's happening when the infected in your country are walking around looking completely healthy. It was a huge difference from videos that originated out of China via social media showing people fainting in the streets.
Some of the worst offenders of the panic porn/divisive rhetoric had low post counts and got themselves banned, unsurprisingly. Most of those that remain are really anxious for a variety of reasons and it only serves to make the point as to why fearmongering is counterproductive: it gets people needlessly worried/panicked - unless you're working in media and big pharma, then you're rewarded handsomely.
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cryptoadam
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Enjoying Montreal?
26 cases today.
Barely see anyone with masks. Been open for 6 weeks. People are all out and about going to stores or walking around. People eating at restaurants etc...
Big deal here, no 6 week long protests. We had 2 little ones and that was it. Trudeau did jack squat for us. Legault and Arruda told us not to wear masks for the first half of the pandemic while thousands died in old age homes.
But for some strange reason the US media tries to pretend that Canadian leadership did something amazingly spectacularly different LOL.
Trudeau is lucky his virtue signaling didn't lead to extended protests and ruin everything, but he probably would of blamed it on the "covidiots" on the front page of the SUN from Victoria day. Whatever happend with that though they were supposed to kill all our grandmas?
Damn, glad he made it. Looks like it’s going to be a long road to recovery. He’s now perpetually short of breath from the double pneumonia damage, and impotent...
Best wishes to Baldy, he’s a big inspiration.
bRacing
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He was stupid wrong the entire way. You can say it.
Spoiler - you are wrong.
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Joe T.
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Yeah, I'm a bit surprised the protests didn't take more of a hold here because the news just won't shut up about racial inequality and police brutality. They don't have that theatrical, sensationalized edge NBC, CNN, etc have and people are generally more chill here thankfully. Except for what looked like a homeless man at the Berri-Uqam metro station coughing at everyone that entered, I laughed and shook my head after sidestepping him, guessing he was disturbed by so many people now wearing masks. Or maybe he's Valerie Plante's secret weapon for the mask bylaw she's writing.
I spent some time out and about this week, curious to see how restaurants, bars and retailers were doing after re-opening. I wasn't all that encouraged, though. Every single bank I passed by had long lines wrapping around the building. Larger retailers/malls have packed parking lots, so I assume they're doing well.
It was nice to see the Old Port/Place Jacques-Cartier with decent foot traffic again, but the restaurants there that are usually jammed this time of year were mostly empty due to the measures in place with some hosts/hostesses standing around looking a bit annoyed, not that I can blame them. Cotes des Neiges (and Westmount) seemed to have a lot more mask wearers than everywhere else I've been, but they made them mandatory there and I guess there isn't much resistance. I didn't spend much time there, though.
What's funny is that while most of the island is quieter/less crowded than usual (tourism and all that) one area is livelier than ever: the Lachine Canal, where masks are very rare. Atwater Market is fenced off to funnel everyone into the same entrance/exit, but as soon as you hit the canal you could be forgiven for thinking there's no pandemic at all, groups of young people huddled around and casually walking by each other on both sides. For better or worse, it's a bit like a sanctuary from the measures put in place everywhere else.
Mount Royal's been relatively quiet, the observatory overlooking downtown which is usually packed in the summer doesn't have many people up there anymore. Beaver Lake's not much different. The only upside is that their water fountains are working while they seem to be turned off in all the other parks I've passed by. Mount Royal Avenue is now ped/bike-only and all that space hasn't done anything to improve or even maintain foot traffic which was way down from what I'm used to seeing, it's now just a much less active St. Catherine Street/Gay Village.
It's just not the same when the crowds, festivals, sports and tourists are scaled back or missing entirely. I know they'll play up the cold and flu season in fall so I'll enjoy what I can while I have the chance. Plante won't mind killing off restaurants and shops if it helps ingratiate her with the clime change lunatics and globalists eager to move to a "more sustainable"/green and digital-only world (ID, health records, money).
Halo is Back
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Im confused by all of these "fear mongering" post. Clearly Americans are not very scared, Disney just opened up, people are at the beaches, fireworks went off like crazy on the fourth of July, massive protests happening around the country, and people flocked to the bars.
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cryptoadam
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Its just coming from the fake noose.
Left go out and protest
Right go out and work
Normies go out and enjoy the weather.
Americans dont want to live in fear in lockdowns.
ManaByte
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Well now that the government approved protests caused a spike in cases people are using those case numbers to fear monger people into accepting another lockdown until November 4th.
CloudNull
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Liljagare
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Is that what the article from 3 months ago claims ? In any case, I'd say Norway is still doing a lot better.
If Sweden has 5,000 people infecting 4,999 new ones every day and Norway has 2 people infecting 3 every day Norway's R number is higher.What if I give you 1 dollar for each death in Norway per million and you give me back 1 for each in Sweden. You'd come out way ahead as Sweden is doing so well !
You act like its a game, wierd, people dying.
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Birdo
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Liljagare
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"" MisterFalcon, post" "
Is that what the article from 3 months ago claims ? In any case, I'd say Norway is still doing a lot better.
If Sweden has 5,000 people infecting 4,999 new ones every day and Norway has 2 people infecting 3 every day Norway's R number is higher.What if I give you 1 dollar for each death in Norway per million and you give me back 1 for each in Sweden. You'd come out way ahead as Sweden is doing so well !
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Much rather trust the place that reports correct figures, just like in 2015, and just like in 2002, and 2000?
Also, prefer to trust data from a nation that doesnt straight out lie about suicides, or not?
Regardless how you try to cherry pick, there is no overmortality in 2020 in Sweden.
Is that what the article from 3 months ago claims ? In any case, I'd say Norway is still doing a lot better.
If Sweden has 5,000 people infecting 4,999 new ones every day and Norway has 2 people infecting 3 every day Norway's R number is higher.What if I give you 1 dollar for each death in Norway per million and you give me back 1 for each in Sweden. You'd come out way ahead as Sweden is doing so well !
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Much rather trust the place that reports correct figures, just like in 2015, and just like in 2002, and 2000?
Also, prefer to trust data from a nation that doesnt straight out lie about suicides, or not?
Regardless how you try to cherry pick, there is no overmortality in 2020 in Sweden.
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cryptoadam
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Double pneumonia is a trademark of COVID, they can diagnose with a MRI, that’s what they also did in January in China. When testing was overrun, MRI, yup COVID.
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Starlight Lotice
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The UK Government did the lockdown in order for our NHS to not be overrun, and I applaud those workers for trying to do their best in this crisis.
However, I am quite saddened at how much even the NHS had fucked up in other areas resulting in needless deaths.
They basically wouldn't admit anyone with Cancer problems or other long term illnesses, which has resulted in excess deaths in that area (with an expected 35,000 over the next year).
They sent infected people back to Care Homes (much like the US), and caused 22,000 deaths there.
They turned away people with COVID unless it was severe enough to be admitted, which has probably scared people into dealing with it themselves. The deaths are unknown in this case.
Despite never being overrun by COVID Patients (I think at worst it was 55%), they still didn't manage their resources to split up people with other ailments and then tried to plead people to come in on A&E services, which scared people into not coming in even more.
They also have not been using Track and Trace in the right manner to see who has had it or who has recovered from it (although the Government can be also blamed on here), in addition to people not trusting the NHS App as they could be spying on them, to which it had to take Third Parties to make their own.
Oh, and there was a controversy of PPE equipment where some were stored horribly in Asbestos filled Warehouses and the NHS themselves were denied vital equipment early on due to the fuck up in that area, resulting in a 100 or more deaths in the NHS. (Doctors and Nurses)
There is a GAFFER here who told me some of the problems behind the scenes, and I am guessing some of these decisions are made by the higher ups who despite having good intentions, didn't think this through that well. When the Government tell Supermarkets they must do this and that to stay open, you would expect the Hospitals to be bang on with keeping people and the vulnerable safe....
Sorry for the rant, just extremely saddened and somewhat angry at how it was handled over these last few months where we could have halved the deaths by simple measures.
However, I am quite saddened at how much even the NHS had fucked up in other areas resulting in needless deaths.
They basically wouldn't admit anyone with Cancer problems or other long term illnesses, which has resulted in excess deaths in that area (with an expected 35,000 over the next year).
They sent infected people back to Care Homes (much like the US), and caused 22,000 deaths there.
They turned away people with COVID unless it was severe enough to be admitted, which has probably scared people into dealing with it themselves. The deaths are unknown in this case.
Despite never being overrun by COVID Patients (I think at worst it was 55%), they still didn't manage their resources to split up people with other ailments and then tried to plead people to come in on A&E services, which scared people into not coming in even more.
They also have not been using Track and Trace in the right manner to see who has had it or who has recovered from it (although the Government can be also blamed on here), in addition to people not trusting the NHS App as they could be spying on them, to which it had to take Third Parties to make their own.
Oh, and there was a controversy of PPE equipment where some were stored horribly in Asbestos filled Warehouses and the NHS themselves were denied vital equipment early on due to the fuck up in that area, resulting in a 100 or more deaths in the NHS. (Doctors and Nurses)
There is a GAFFER here who told me some of the problems behind the scenes, and I am guessing some of these decisions are made by the higher ups who despite having good intentions, didn't think this through that well. When the Government tell Supermarkets they must do this and that to stay open, you would expect the Hospitals to be bang on with keeping people and the vulnerable safe....
Sorry for the rant, just extremely saddened and somewhat angry at how it was handled over these last few months where we could have halved the deaths by simple measures.
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Are you talking about immunuty or measurable anti-body levels?
Immunity would imply people being reinfected, which does not seem to happen.
If measurable anti-body levels dissapear that only means our tests are bad and we miss a lot of immune people.
Immunity they specify said, so prone to reinfection.
but those reports also came back from China around February.
DeepBreath87
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Let’s just say that’s true. Then a vaccine is useless unless we’re all getting stuck every 2 months.
Yeah let’s hope ! But there is many unknowns, beter is to not get it for now!
DeepBreath87
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I just don’t buy it. We’d be seeing measurable numbers of reinfection and more people would be raising alarms. But we will see.
Like I said. That’s the case, a vaccine is effectively useless unless the plan is 6 doses a year.
cryptoadam
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There are lots of studies showing no antibodies but that doesnt take into accoubt T and B cells. Also maybe the antibodies come back if reinfected.
There have been a few stories of people getting it twice but its so uncommon that maybe they didnt get it twice and they just still had it the whole time.
One of the WWE announcer chicks claimed she got it twice (not renee young) and then there was another girl who also said she got it twice.
So far the only people claiming having it twice are women. It would be ironic if only women could get reinfected.
I wont rule out reinfection but we would be seeing alot more of it. But hey i probably jinxed it and they will start popping up now lol.
There have been a few stories of people getting it twice but its so uncommon that maybe they didnt get it twice and they just still had it the whole time.
One of the WWE announcer chicks claimed she got it twice (not renee young) and then there was another girl who also said she got it twice.
So far the only people claiming having it twice are women. It would be ironic if only women could get reinfected.
I wont rule out reinfection but we would be seeing alot more of it. But hey i probably jinxed it and they will start popping up now lol.
joe_zazen
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Daniel Griffin, A world-class microbiologist (so good he works with the NFL) on today's TWIV episode 638, talked about two patients who were confirmed Covid positive in April and we subsequently tested negative after the infection run its course.
Four months later they presented at the hospital sick again and tested positive for Covid with almost non-existent antibodies. He had very high antibodies in April. He stressed that the plural of anecdote is not data however this is very troubling b cause that means no herd immunity, ever.
he also mentions that the other coronaviruses do not produce sustained immunity so yeah. Skip to 10:50 to listen.
Four months later they presented at the hospital sick again and tested positive for Covid with almost non-existent antibodies. He had very high antibodies in April. He stressed that the plural of anecdote is not data however this is very troubling b cause that means no herd immunity, ever.
he also mentions that the other coronaviruses do not produce sustained immunity so yeah. Skip to 10:50 to listen.
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ManaByte
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So either we lock everyone down forever in some crazy socialist utopia, or people grow a pair of balls and deal with it.
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How's Bolsonaro holding up?
Man i really Hope noone of your family gets this, like seriously. But if it would happen i want to see you going "grow some balls" to your relative while he Is in intensive care.
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ManaByte
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So you're suggesting everything stays locked down for eternity? What's the other option with a coronavirus?
Oh and dude, I'M high risk due to a surgery I had four years ago. My wife is high risk. I've been wearing a mask in public since April. My wife wears a mask everywhere too. But you can't stop living, you have mortgages and bills to pay. You can't just curl up in the fetal position, suck your thumb, and stop living. If you want to do that, Resetera is that way.
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No i'm not. But if people here don't want their relatives to die it's not because they don't "have balls".
And i've said that plenty of times in this Thread. We are doing fine in germany and we ended the lockdowns in May.
Ar¢tos
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Some reports say that although antibodies for coronavirus don't remain long in the body, helper T cells don't forget the virus and in case of re-infection they quickly promote the production of more antibodies and the destruction of infected cells before they release new copies of the virus.
We don't need a vaccine that gives full immunity, a vaccine that reduces the severity of the symptoms (and mortality rate) will do, even if it needs to taken every 6 months.
DeafTourette
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Coronavirus: How they tried to curb Spanish flu pandemic in 1918
Face masks, fresh air and porridge - how people tried to curb a deadly flu pandemic in 1918.
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