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[SleepDoctor]

Let's be honest: at the end of the day, console warring is really stupid. I think most just want the approval from their peers that they backed the right horse.

But its serious business to plenty here. Just look at the tantrum thrown by these guys cuz they asked him for proof and he gave it to them.

You asked for the receipts and got em and then you wanna attack the guy like children. Pathetic if you ask me.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

I hope the xbox fanbase is correct
Can't way to buy the rdna2 promoted PS5 to join in those class action sues against sony and amd this will make my PS5 even cheaper. Also great to know the badly overengineered rdna 1.5 PS5 will have better games and gameplay then the most powerful console ever created xsx.

So Sony will beat MS in another console generation with one hand on the back.

Spoiler

I am kidding of course

Technical stupidity online regarding console wars:

 

[Lethal01]

Uh UH UH the PS5 is faster and can do more UH UH UH polygons than the Series X!!

BUH BUH BUH Series X has more Terraflops, has VFS OIEYRHOF thing, and and, and its core is RDNAFGH2, while the PS5's is RDNALJKSFDHAFDH1.9 BUH BUH BUH!!

WHO

THE FUCK

CARES?

Does the PS5 have Halo? No. Gears? No. Forza? No.

Does the Series X have Demon's Souls? No. Ratchet? No. Spider-Man? No.

You want to play Halo, Gears, Forza? Buy a Series X.

You want to play Spider-Man, Demon's Souls and Ratchet? Buy a PS5.

You want both? Buy both.

That's it.

CHRIST.

If you don't like people speculating about the consoles don't come to a thread speculating about the consoles
CHRIST

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yes we have seen lots of RDNA 2 confirmation but we must answer why that sony guy has said what he said. Maybe its what is said RDNA2 in most things but missing a few features to be full RDNA2 with their own completely custom features, all main things may be there and could be unimportant things missing but thats how its classified?

We know the clocks tell us its beyond RDNA1.

Red gaming tech said he was told to look for what sony have done in the past aka features from future architectures. With it being RDNA 2 based people assumed RDNA3 features and that may still be the case.

He says in between RDNA1 and 2 with unique bits.

We know it has RT and performance per watt inprovement so it'll have the important stuff in RDNA2. The unique bits may refer to cache scrubbers and unannounced stuff aka RDNA 3.

We also have Lisa su and amd plus corny telling us its RDNA 2 based. So maybe just not the full way on stuff no needed.

It could do with some clarification though as it is a weird one as what could be missing thats worth having that they haven't got?

Didn't know that vegetables gave us that information.

 

[Kerlurk]

Group having a technical discussion, and trying to find the validity in claims made.

Random guy watching from distance: You're all mental!

Thanks for the contribution!

 

[Dodkrake]

I respect how formidable the swarm is. It’s a take no prisoners approach, it’s Trump’s playbook. Say whatever you want people to believe in, say it loud and say it proud.

I for one am taking a break from this thread and any other specs thread. Tired of the bullshit.

Same.

 

[Nickolaidas]

If you don't like people speculating about the consoles don't come to a thread speculating about the consoles
CHRIST

There's speculating, and there's pissing contests.

This is a pissing contest.

 

[MasterCornholio]

we really need to wait for full PS5 and XSX breakdown, because both companies may hide something and nothing is certain right now.

How the heck is taking apart the console going to reveal what RDNA it is?

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Didn't know that vegetables gave us that information.

Cerny lol damn phone. Cerny can be quite corny confirmed...

 

[hemo memo]

WHO

THE FUCK

CARES?

Fans who stupidly attache their identity with a brand and a piece of plastic.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

 

[Tfault]

From AMD's own website

RDNA 2 architecture is the foundation for next-generation PC gaming graphics, the highly anticipated PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X consoles.

Note they say the foundation, not based.

Can't be clearer really.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Ask Gavin Stevens to confirm, he gives you guys the screenshots. Now you guys are going witch hunt a ps5 engineer. Sony fanboys really are the most toxic of the bunch.

 

[pawel86ck]

He only confirm half of the message, so it looks like he knows he said too much. I hope he will not lose his job.

 

[Dolomite]

(Two seperate devs refusing to spill the beans)
I'm confused. Does the PS5 have hardware dedicated RT cores or not
Yes Ray tracing is obviously capable and evident in Ratchet and clank, and GT7, but whether or not it Hardware accelerated RT makes a huge difference in performance

 

[silent head]

rip

 

[SlimySnake]

If they´re that confident, why remove the Minecraft RT techdemo from their xbox youtube channel?

LINK
No enemies on screen
No players on screen
No cows on screen
No nothing on screen
Low complexity assets
Cubes only
6x flat surfaces with textures
Just a camera, slowly "flying on rails" between every scene
was still laggy



I did a little bit of digging, about this guy TALKING with Gavin Stevens (the pigeon carrier) at 5AM (not knowing that their convo. would be used as "material" in a forum)

Why would an SONY Engineer (we dont know his involvement) suddenly decide to chit-chat with Odium? and not ZugeEX or Benji or that Shinobi guy (mind you, they´re all from the UK). All drinking at the same cafeteria?

Rosario Leonardi
The cool kid that make graphics research for Ps5
London, United Kingdom

This Sony Engineer worked on the following projects :

2013 to 2014
WRC 4 - FIA World Rally Championship
Carmageddon reincarnation

MotoGp 2013 Official MotoGp race simulation.
Oct 2012 – Present (is he still working for Milestone or did he not update this?)

Game developer
May 2010 – Apr 2013
I worked as game programmer in Milestone

Lead 3d programmer
I was responsible for the design of the next gen engine and editor.
Meanwhile I took part in the development of the new Motocross game MxGp

Graphics programmer
Stainless Games
Feb 2014 – Apr 2016
Newport, Isle of wigth, United kindom (no clue which game)
I’m the only graphics programmer at Stainless games. Brought the game from 20 fps to +60 fps.

Sony Interactive Entertainment
Principal Graphics Engineer
Jul 2018 – Present

He went from no name studios to join Sony? One would assume that Sony´s ICE team would have enough peeps or anyone from their other studios (from PD, Ins.Games etc.) to create eninges (and they do) .. but apparently it had to be a guy who worked on "those" Bike games from Italy (Milestone, they made also a terrible ferrari game i think).

Even though, he seems to have background. I´m having a hard time believing, that HE is in charge of the PS5. Looks like more to me, he is in charge of a subset of the PS5 core, most likely meant for 3rd party developer or even Indie.

ALSO WHO THE FUCKS talks with random-strangers at 5AM! Got nothing else to do? These iamges could have some consequences for him. How did the two establish contact?

that looks like a pretty good resume to me.

Principal Engineer doesnt mean he's in charge of the PS5. For example, Matt was also a Principal Software Architect and Sony let him go by February. i dont think he would lie about his employment on twitter.

 

[SlimySnake]

Group having a technical discussion, and trying to find the validity in claims made.

Random guy watching from distance: You're all mental!

Thanks for the contribution!

i hate those guys. they act like they are above it all, but when all they are doing is throwing a fit and calling attention to themselves.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Ask Gavin Stevens to confirm, he gives you guys the screenshots. Now you guys are going witch hunt a ps5 engineer. Sony fanboys really are the most toxic of the bunch.

What part of any of my messages has been toxic towards this subject? I have been one of the people talking about it.

What witch hunt? The stuff was put in the public domain and is being analysed...

Your quoting me saying that is a bit out of place and uncalled for.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Only in an alternative reality Rosario Leonardi holds more weight than mark Cerny and AMD combined... but the real big boss was that guy from the dolphin game... that was the real deal.. the new messiah.. his word was gospel for the FUD brigade..

Edit: oh I see is back riding the wave..

 

[Tiago07]

I Want to point something here.

I know Microsoft has DirectML that is some type of DLSS for them.

But I know someone posted here a Sony's patent made by Mark Cerny that is some type of their "dynamic renderization", some objects is rendered in 4K and some in less resolution.

If someone remember this patent and post here for us to debate.

If I find it, I will post.

 

[silent head]

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Only in an alternative reality Rosario Leonardi holds more weight than mark Cerny and AMD combined... but the real big boss was that guy from the dolphin game... that was the real deal.. the new messiah.. his word was gospel for the FUD brigade..

Well it is a strange one for sure with the RDNA2 confirmation we have had but maybe with missing 1 or 2 small features its not classed as full by him but hybrid because it has features from past present and future. Like cerny said completely custom whereas maybe xbox is more off the shelf RDNA2?

 

[Great Hair]

From AMD's own website
Note they say the foundation, not based.
Can't be clearer really.

Foundation
: a basis (such as a tenet, principle, or axiom) upon which something stands or is supported
: an underlying base or support especially : the whole masonry substructure of a building
: a body or ground upon which something is built up or overlaid
: a woman's supporting undergarment : corset

Based on = Foundation upon its build aka the architecture aka RDNA2.0

 

[SlimySnake]

welp. not a good look. Agnostic2020 this at least proves that gavin did not make up that DM. i think its time to take this tweet a bit more seriously.

If the PS5 is indeed RDNA 1.5 and XSX is 2.0 then MS better bring the goods. I expect every 30 fps game to look as good as hellblade 2.

i also dont know why Cerny and Lisu Su would claim its RDNA 2.0, though i do remember Cerny saying RDNA 2.0 BASED Custom GPU so it;s likely more RDNA 2.0 then rdna 1.0. Regardless, ML was also confirmed by the EA exec so I have no idea wtf is going on.

 

[Falc67]

i'd highly recommend you retire this account, and come back as an anonymous user. using your real name, with your real twitter with your family pics. you dont know when people are going to start doxing you. its just not worth it.

you've been wrong a few times which is fine. no one has a 100% record, but for the sake of your career and your family, i really hope you come back as an anonymous user. this is going to get uglier. i get that you believe certain things about the PS5 being inferior and thats ok, but its really not worth the stress my man.

I think someone gave him threats before actually. It’s pathetic. He tried to be a little neutral in the past tbf. Even if he tarnished a specific console, the threats aren’t warranted.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

IMO the words "custom RDNA2 based" means it is rdna2, maybe with some extra stuff. It doesn't sounds like rdna1 with some rdna2 features. What does 'based' mean? No one would say "rdna2 based" official if it's rdna1 only. Sorry, but then Cerny would lie. Can't imagine that.

It's just silly... the whole point of having the RDNA 2 moniker is to benefit from the IPC gains over the previous architecture. Once the GPU was confirmed custom RDNA 2, it means RDNA 2 ipc + X Y or Z features that may be either exclusive to this console or perhaps appear in a future RDNA iteration further down the line. That's it, nothing else.

 

[longdi]

Foundation
: a basis (such as a tenet, principle, or axiom) upon which something stands or is supported
: an underlying base or support especially : the whole masonry substructure of a building
: a body or ground upon which something is built up or overlaid
: a woman's supporting undergarment : corset

Based on = Foundation upon its build aka the architecture aka RDNA2.0

Nah, grammer may or may not apply to marketing.

Nobody is saying PS5 does not have rdna2, even Sony guy said it is rdna1+rdna2.
I dont get why Sony fans are getting into a fit?

 

[Lethal01]

Only in an alternative reality Rosario Leonardi holds more weight than mark Cerny and AMD combined... but the real big boss was that guy from the dolphin game... that was the real deal.. the new messiah.. his word was gospel for the FUD brigade..

Edit: oh I see is back riding the wave..

He's word isn't going against Cerny's, He's saying it doesn't have all the features of RDNA2. Which we know.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think someone gave him threats before actually. It’s pathetic. He tried to be a little neutral in the past tbf. Even if he tarnished a specific console, the threats aren’t warranted.

yeah i remember that now. threats are never warranted, but it's pretty much twitter culture now. gaf mods would never tolerate it, but twitter is a different story. just not worth it imo.

 

[Nickolaidas]

What does it matter if it's RDNA 1.2, 1.5, 2.1, or 3.1?

We've all seen Horizon 2 and Demon's Souls - we saw the trailers, we saw the screenshots. We got a glimpse of what the PS5 is capable of. What does it matter what number is its RDNA other than to make a 'mine's bigger than yours' comment to an X-Box fan?

Are people legitimately worried that the PS5 will underperform after seeing those trailers?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Does the PS5 have hardware dedicated RT cores or not?

So it doesn't have dedicated hardware for ray tracing?

I thought it was already confirmed that it does but it isn't as capable as the XSX due to having less CUs.

 

[SleepDoctor]

What part of any of my messages has been toxic towards this subject? I have been one of the people talking about it.

What witch hunt? The stuff was put in the public domain and is being analysed...

Your quoting me saying that is a bit out of place and uncalled for.

Not you specifically. Im referring to the people who were attacking odium and now the twitter mob going for the other guy.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

welp. not a good look. Agnostic2020 this at least proves that gavin did not make up that DM. i think its time to take this tweet a bit more seriously.

If the PS5 is indeed RDNA 1.5 and XSX is 2.0 then MS better bring the goods. I expect every 30 fps game to look as good as hellblade 2.

i also dont know why Cerny and Lisu Su would claim its RDNA 2.0, though i do remember Cerny saying RDNA 2.0 BASED Custom GPU so it;s likely more RDNA 2.0 then rdna 1.0. Regardless, ML was also confirmed by the EA exec so I have no idea wtf is going on.

As said previously though it must have the main things from RDNA2, performance per watt and RT and remember all announced games are exactly the same res and framrates on both. Devs have said they are close.

So whether its technically classified as full rdna 2 is probably wouldn't matter.

Amd and Lisa su said its great to watch RDNA 2 in action so it has the gains made by going to RDNA2.

Would missing one or 2 features even classify it as not RDNA2. To be honest am more confused then when I started the post.

But yes not a single game runs differently so whatever it is its close. Custom it is, maybe just not off the shelf RDNA2 but with all deemed meaningful features they wanted...?

 

[Brudda26]

Nah, grammer may or may not apply to marketing.

Nobody is saying PS5 does not have rdna2, even Sony guy said it is rdna1+rdna2.
I dont get why Sony fans are getting into a fit?

There not there getting annoyed at those xbox fanatics on twitter which go hur dur PS5 is RDNA1 with bolt ons and no hardware RT still. Who talk like they understand shit like deebatch, misterx,blue etc people wholeheartedly beleive anything those 3 say yet the moment any one with a ounce of actually legitimacy like mark cerny they go no dont beleive, it's all lies. Then continue spreading the bullshit. Some of you here follow that bullshit they spread.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Well it is a strange one for sure with the RDNA2 confirmation we have had but maybe with missing 1 or 2 small features its not classed as full by him but hybrid because it has features from past present and future. Like cerny said completely custom whereas maybe xbox is more off the shelf RDNA2?

Of course this is a highly customized GPU.. but at its core It is RDNA 2 as confirmed by Cerny and AMD..
trying to pass ps5 GPU as a lesser version of the one inside Xbox with no evidence whatsoever regarding real world performance is desenginious and ignorant..

Once again just FUD and bullshit to propagate at any cost the narrative that PS5 is much weaker and less advanced than Xbox series x... I think Xbox fanboys armada are really desperate.. truth be told this gen they are much more organized in the way they spread FUD..

 

[Lethal01]

(Two seperate devs refusing to spill the beans)
I'm confused. Does the PS5 have hardware dedicated RT cores or not
Yes Ray tracing is obviously capable and evident in Ratchet and clank, and GT7, but whether or not it Hardware accelerated RT makes a huge difference in performance

I don't think anyone claimed it was missing Dedicated RT features of RDNA2. Other features are what's missing

 

[Kerlurk]

What does it matter if it's RDNA 1.2, 1.5, 2.1, or 3.1?

We've all seen Horizon 2 and Demon's Souls - we saw the trailers, we saw the screenshots. We got a glimpse of what the PS5 is capable of. What does it matter what number is its RDNA other than to make a 'mine's bigger than yours' comment to an X-Box fan?

Are people legitimately worried that the PS5 will underperform after seeing those trailers?

Well it's important enough for Mark Cerny to indicate it in his talk, and for Lisa Sui to mention it.

 

[Tfault]

Foundation
: a basis (such as a tenet, principle, or axiom) upon which something stands or is supported
: an underlying base or support especially : the whole masonry substructure of a building
: a body or ground upon which something is built up or overlaid
: a woman's supporting undergarment : corset

Based on = Foundation upon its build aka the architecture aka RDNA2.0

Touché

 

[MasterCornholio]

Would missing one or 2 features even classify it as not RDNA2.

I remember someone told me once that all the features of RDNA2 might not be useful on consoles due to RDNA2 being primarily designed for PCs.

Is this still possible?

 

[Lethal01]

delete

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Of course this is a highly customized GPU.. but at its core It is RDNA 2 as confirmed by Cerny and AMD..
trying to pass ps5 GPU as a lesser version of the one inside Xbox with no evidence whatsoever regarding real world performance is desenginious and ignorant..

Once again just FUD and bullshit to propagate at any cost the narrative that PS5 is much weaker and less advanced than Xbox series x... I think Xbox fanboys armada are really desperate.. truth be told this gen they are much more organized in the way they spread FUD..

Yes it is which is why its weird to see him refer to as in between, but can't agree on the FUD as this comes not from fanboys but that Sony guy.

Of course xbox fanboys try and spread FUD but this doesn't seem to be a case of it.

 

[ToadMan]

IF we looked back at DF coverage of PS5 and Series X, it seems the answers were under our nose, this while..

Series X talks about custom Zen2 security and virtualisation, sustained power, ML with 49TOPS (rtx2080 has 57TOPS), full DXR RT1.1 support, mesh shaders, SFS hardware

Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs

This is it. After months of teaser trailers, blog posts and even the occasional leak, we can finally reveal firm, hard …

www.eurogamer.net

PS5 talks about boost clocks justification, ssd and 3d audio

PlayStation 5 uncovered: the Mark Cerny tech deep dive

On March 18th, Sony finally broke cover with in-depth information on the technical make-up of PlayStation 5. Expanding …

www.eurogamer.net

Feels like the GPU difference can be bigger than what the raw TF numbers imply?

Sure and we’ll prove that by all those cross gen multiplat games running at much higher res and FPS on Xsex ...

Oh. They don’t ... back to the guessing board for you.

 

[SlimySnake]

As said previously though it must have the main things from RDNA2, performance per watt and RT and remember all announced games are exactly the same res and framrates on both. Devs have said they are close.

So whether its technically classified as full rdna 2 is probably wouldn't matter.

Amd and Lisa su said its great to watch RDNA 2 in action so it has the gains made by going to RDNA2.

Would missing one or 2 features even classify it as not RDNA2. To be honest am more confused then when I started the post.

But yes not a single game runs differently so whatever it is its close. Custom it is, maybe just not off the shelf RDNA2 but with all deemed meaningful features they wanted...?

yeah, without perf per watt of RDNA 2.0, you are not getting a 2.23 ghz card in a desktop PC, let alone a console. You can try and take a 5700 and push it to 2.23 ghz but it wont even go above 2.15 ghz. and even then it was at like 250w for the gpu alone.

Sony was able to get RT shadows in Demon Souls at native 4k, RT reflections in ratchet in native 4k, and RT reflections in GT7 in native 4k 60 fps. i think it's pretty damn impressive. that said, the games clearly didnt look as good as hellblade 2 so maybe the vrs, dlss, and other missing features in the ps5 are what making xsx games look so good. maybe. I guess we will find out in five days if everything else looks as good as horizon, let alone hellblade2.

 

[Brudda26]

I remember someone told me once that all the features of RDNA2 might not be useful on consoles due to RDNA2 being primarily designed for PCs.

Is this still possible?

That goes for both consoles, they always strip out the parts that are not needed from GPU etc there is alot of unnecessary features in a GPU that will not be needed on a console

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

He's word isn't going against Cerny's, He's saying it doesn't have all the features of RDNA2. Which we know.

He poorly worded it so he gave space to this spin from the usual suspects.. I know he didn’t do it on purpose or that is lying.. but in all sincerity I don’t think this guy is fully aware of what’s inside the box..

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

What does it matter if it's RDNA 1.2, 1.5, 2.1, or 3.1?

We've all seen Horizon 2 and Demon's Souls - we saw the trailers, we saw the screenshots. We got a glimpse of what the PS5 is capable of. What does it matter what number is its RDNA other than to make a 'mine's bigger than yours' comment to an X-Box fan?

Are people legitimately worried that the PS5 will underperform after seeing those trailers?

Of course it matters.

And also, of course it is RDNA 2. You can barely clock a 5700xt past 1.9 GHz, while Cerny confirmed they limited the ps5 gpu at over 2.3 GHz. That is all the proof we needed to know it's RDNA 2. For reference, a dedicated GPU is much easier to cool down on a PC than an APU running the same clocks.

So no, I don't think the ps5 will underperform, and after Cerny's talk we know why that is.

 

[Brudda26]

yeah, without perf per watt of RDNA 2.0, you are not getting a 2.23 ghz card in a desktop PC, let alone a console. You can try and take a 5700 and push it to 2.23 ghz but it wont even go above 2.15 ghz. and even then it was at like 250w for the gpu alone.

Sony was able to get RT shadows in Demon Souls at native 4k, RT reflections in ratchet in native 4k, and RT reflections in GT7 in native 4k 60 fps. i think it's pretty damn impressive. that said, the games clearly didnt look as good as hellblade 2 so maybe the vrs, dlss, and other missing features in the ps5 are what making xsx games look so good. maybe. I guess we will find out in five days if everything else looks as good as horizon, let alone hellblade2.

VRS actually makes games look worse as its lowers the resolution of areas within the frame to save performance.

 

[Zoro7]

I figured it out.
Xbox fanboys know they have already lost this new generation so the only thing they have is how much more powerful the Xbox is over the ps5.
Meanwhile Nintendo printing money with the Switch.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That goes for both consoles, they always strip out the parts that are not needed from GPU etc there is alot of unnecessary features in a GPU that will not be needed on a console

I've always understood it as RDNA2 that had some unnecessary features stripped out with maybe some custom ones added.