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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Bo_Hazem

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What a wonderful game that was, love the realistic approach they went for. I would dream to have it back in next gen. Killing wasn't a joke, killing was extreme in that game, and I love that.
 
What is a console launch exclusive? What does MS mean when they say a game is coming to gamepass? (Evidently that doesn’t mean it’s the full game).
I'm curious, what are the demos on gamepass? is it just the game that is released in episodic form?... I'd be fine with it if we still received Half-Life 2 episodes on a somewhat regular basis.
Stopped reading when you said demo pass. You are trolling, goodbye.
I'm trying to figure out what he calls demo pass.
I don't know, tried to watch John Wick on Netflix yesterday and there's only 2nd part... So in the same way, MS cannot force every 3rd party dev to publish everything on GP, especially if it's nowhere near as established service. I personally see GP as TV - here are the shows being aired today, after 10min. or so you can already tell whether you like the movie or not, if not you move onto another one, if that one suck too then you keep searching, and the same way GP will allow you to try all the available games until you find something that meets your taste, which is such a nice feature to have in an era where demos are completely dead and you have to buy the games blindly and be on the mercy of marketing slogans and paid journos.
You are completely playing dumb here, it's more akin to getting trailers in your paid service.
 

joe_zazen

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Don’t you get enough of the 300h+ from the ubisofts of the world? For me even the Sony open worlds are becoming too long. Had to walk away from Days Gone, too many fresh experiences out there to not move on after a decent fill. Death Stranding was worthwhile tho.

Naw, I am talking about games like Anno, Age of Empires, BotW, mod driven Skyrim, minecraft, rimworld, persona4, monster hunter, Total War, Xcom, smash, rocket league, diablo, binding of isaac, spleunky, minecraft, civilisation, or even something like Kingdom Rush games.
 

zaitsu

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To me it was obvious from the begining.
Multiplatform games will look better on XSX. How much better ? We don't know yet.
But best looking GAMES will be exclusives. And even on 12 TF machine, MS exclusives won't look as good as SONY EXs on 9 TF, RDNA1, 2019 PS5.
And no PR-shit talking from Phil,Aaron or other talking head will change that.
Their studios are in pre-dev meaning that we will see their games launching at best in 2022/2023, and they can TRY to compete with SONY. And even then i think MS studios lack of skill and vision. They are not in the same league as SONY. MS can compete with Ubisoft or Bethesda .
 
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sircaw

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This gamepass talk and all, but all those people talking gamepass all day are missing important points:

* No everyone is interested to play 100 games a year, or some others won't have time, some like me prefer playing quality over quantity.
* No everyone is necessarily a fan of Halo, Gears, Forza and the other MS games they showed yesterday (i love the 360 gears games, but to me the franchise ended when Epic left)
* Thing is blind people like this girl is that... they don't realize this will dictate you what you play, and what you don't play. If someone put 100 bucks on gamepass they already blew their budget for 2 day one games, that's a huge deal. Those robots people will without realizing it find themselves playing games just because it's in "gamepass", and skip much better games they would love much more because it's not in "gamepass"

And about this "muh great deal with great price", well you know i can also do with 100 bucks? welp i can buy around from 5 to 20 games on sold, games that "I" have chosen myself and that i will keep "forever" and not time. For me this a much much better deal that the gamepass, actually it's not even close.

But sure, everyone with this his cup of tea.

I find her video strange, to say i just needed to make this, before i went to bed.

sounds very damage control to me, like she got a phone call saying , we fucked up. Do what you can.

People have limited time, pick fucking quality over quantity.

Jesus Christ i don't go to the super market and just pile in the cheap shit into my trolley just cos its in the store.


Quality always sells, play 10 xbox pass games and forget about them in a week or play a couple of masterpieces from Sony and remember them..................................for ever.
 

JonnyMP3

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That's the point...

In-engine: what the Engine is capable of
Real-time: what the Hardware is capable of

But since Microsoft again only tinted big but showed nothing ... I am more and more sure that Sony's way in terms of hardware may be the better one!
Yeah I know. Matt knows.
He's sarcastically pointing out the elephant in the room by saying "Is this One or Series X"
Software engineers...
 

Freeman

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Now that we've seen both events (actually two from MS), it's pretty clear that Sony is much better prepared this time. They have games further along in development, they didn't have to sacrifice support for the PS4 to do it, they even have the better exclusive deals.
 
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I also find it very unlikely, unless it was a planned possibility if certain conditions/factors fell into place perfectly.

Either way, I have wondered about the credibility of both Red Tech and Moore's Law - and this will be the perfect way to find out.

Yep I've hopped on the Moore'sLaw bandwagon mainly cos he seems to know what he's talking about regarding PCs, but I'm sure his sources for gaming are different. I'm interested to find out whether anything he says is true. If not - UNSUBSCRIBED
 

Nickolaidas

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Now that we've seen both events (actually two from MS), it's pretty clear that Sony is much better prepared this time. They have games further along in development, they didn't have to sacrifice support for the PS4 to it, they even have the better exclusive deals.
Looks like their keeping quiet strategy for the past couple of years and only speaking now and then about tlou2 and GoT paid off.
 

Nowcry

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Damn, I never thought I'd be so happy after a MS event, it just keeps delivering. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

You laugh but I'm laughing for not crying. The damn MS conference has cost us all $ 50 or maybe more.

We have run out of PC games from MS because now the important thing is to fill an AA-based service.

This is all very unfortunate. I hope that we can curb all these company policies before the AAA's end up disappearing.
 
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zaitsu

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XSX is more than likely custom, AMD is ditching any die beyond 36-40CU as it's going for 3D stack. Another reason that might suggest that the XSX die will cost even more?
Bo, both chips are custom. Sony saved the die space for I/O and MS went full in GPU compartment, now trying to PR-talk velocity architecture being on the same level as PS5 solution.
Honestly I'm almost sure that XSX is capable of delivering same or better graphic fidelity as PS5.


Funny thing - saying that XBOX ONE WON'T HELD BACK XSX GAMES - it's true when you won't deliver crossgen games in crossgen period xD
 

dwish

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It came right during early monsoon season, so it's not problematic although they were a lot. It could be devastating if we tend to be dependent on local wheat which is a small percentage of what's sold locally that's mostly imported from Asia, mainly rice though. Rice/wheat/corn are pretty weak against such flocks but we moved on from depending on those locally, rice was a rarity to be farmed here though but most farms are coconuts, bananas, and other tropical fruits.

A photo I made 10 years ago, still relevant, grass is also critical business to sell for shepherds during dry season:

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Monsoon season:

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You have a beautiful country Bo
 

sircaw

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You have a beautiful country Bo

What, you do know there is 10 square miles of poppy fields behind that first picture.

LOOK AT ALL THAT GREEN IN THE DESERT. underwater pipe system i suspect., for what purpose., i will let you guys figure it out.

Remember how Bo was dressed, he is not some peasant, hes a baron, what kind of BARON you might ask.

#disappearing for a few days especially when the xbox conference was on, MIGHTY suspicious if you ask me.

Remember that picture he linked a few weeks back with the "Snow" all around the car, yer right, how gullible do you think i am.

Right off to listen to some more Dealer Podcast :messenger_grinning:
 
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Gamernyc78

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Very, very intriguing video. If he's right about the PS5's Geometry Engine being an RDNA 3 feature that mops the floor with VRS and about yields of the PS5's APU being good enough to enable 38 CUs on the GPU, then the system will more beastly than we've thought. He also mentioned that the PS5's ray tracing abilities are more customized than we've been told. How reliable are his claims, NeoGAF? Are his sources usually correct?

PS5 having better, more customizable ray tracing capabilities have been rumors and stated for over a year. As a matter of fact ps5 have better almost everything besides gpu and a cpu tht is almost identical to nextbox has always been the rumors.
 
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GRIEVEZ

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Hmm... I used to have an OG Xbox and had good times on Halo 1/2, I thought Bungie was synonymous with Xbox...

Why didnt they just buy Bungie?... No disrespect to 343, but I was wondering... (was mostly a PC gamer in Gen 7, so im out of the loop on this...).
 

YoodlePro

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Come here and I'll make you eat all kinds of meat/fish (chicken if you want). If you're a vegan I'll fetch you some grass.:lollipop_tears_of_joy:

That's in Saudi Arabia, I think. Every country has something somehow different, but a camel per big plate is overwhelming and it's a rare thing even in KSA and it only results massive wasted food or not 100% clean leftovers for the poor. Around 10-15 years now we've mostly shifted to buffets and it's much better to minimize food waste and provide clean food for the poor as weddings have people in hundreds and sometimes thousands depending on if you're socially active/known. It's funny that some tourists come and eat then try to pay thinking it's some kind of a traditional restaurant, of course anyone can come and eat and go during weddings/funerals.

This is me, the Omani Samurai, after coming back from my wedding in late 2016 if you're interested in our national outfit, mostly that's in special occasions.:lollipop_tears_of_joy:


That knife at your belt buckle, am I wrong or that was given in medieval times to all Lords (or equivalent thereof) of castles in the Muslim world?
 

Hobbygaming

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Now that we've seen both events (actually two from MS), it's pretty clear that Sony is much better prepared this time. They have games further along in development, they didn't have to sacrifice support for the PS4 to it, they even have the better exclusive deals.
I really thought MS was going to come out guns blazing yesterday but this is like the 3rd or 4th time I have fell for the hype smh
 

Shmunter

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Eurogamer : We should talk about how Halo Infinite looks

That's Halo Infinite, a game that must look okay on an OG Xbox One (ugh), PCs up and down the specifications list, an ultra powerful Xbox Series X, and when streamed on a phone. No matter how much I want it to be, Halo Infinite is not about selling Xbox Series X. It's about selling Xbox Game Pass. And its art style is just fine for that.

But it's not fine for me.


 
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It came right during early monsoon season, so it's not problematic although they were a lot. It could be devastating if we tend to be dependent on local wheat which is a small percentage of what's sold locally that's mostly imported from Asia, mainly rice though. Rice/wheat/corn are pretty weak against such flocks but we moved on from depending on those locally, rice was a rarity to be farmed here though but most farms are coconuts, bananas, and other tropical fruits.

A photo I made 10 years ago, still relevant, grass is also critical business to sell for shepherds during dry season:

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Monsoon season:

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Looks amazing, I would love to visit that side of the world one of these days, but unfortunately our country seems to enjoy pissing the whole world off so I am pretty sure we aren't welcome at many places right now...
 

Bo_Hazem

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As a Greek, I feel the need to flaunt my own
chest as well.


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We have some shared history by the way, regarding "Medusa" although it's most likely an exaggerated story of a witch here protecting the frankincense, as our frankincense was a weighed in gold during some old eras and still sacred in many religions like Christianity. The "probably" extinct black python (turns to brown/olive when hungry as color fades away like the Papuan python, which probably was attached to the regions before continental drift). Last 100% encounter in late 1980's twisted a man who got 2 rips punctured his lung, couldn't recover 100% after 4 visits to German hospitals and passed away few years back.

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Watch the movie "Clash of the Titans" when they pass through the Arabian desert heading to mysterious green hills. Although it's not how Greeks tried to reach it but through the sea, later settled down in Soqotra when failed to invade the region, I believe. Too many holes in the whole story and would love one day to sit down with a Greek historian and connect the dots.

Is it during the People of Aad? Not sure, Uncharted 3 was about Ubar, I personally reached them with all necessary details to start in 2009, I think, and was shocked few years later when it was released, and didn't put my email back then but was so happy they made the game about Ubar.


Journey touches Ubar as well in a silent approach though, would love more games about our region ;)

One day should pay that wonderful country, full of history, a visit.
 
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Freeman

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I really thought MS was going to come out guns blazing yesterday but this is like the 3rd or 4th time I have fell for the hype smh
Then you were not paying attention. Were would the games come from? Sure they could buy WB or something but even that wouldn't solve much and would require massive investment for a company that seem convinced that GaaS and moderate budget games are the future.

They just bought those studios 2 years ago and most had projects they were already working on (some still yet to release). 343i, The Coalition and Rare are what they are. What we saw is what they have for the foreseeable future.
 
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IntentionalPun

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MS is just gonna have to depend on the value GamePass brings... probably going to have to money-hat some bigger 3rd parties into GamePass to survive.

That conference yesterday was terrible news for them.

ALTHOUGH.. Halo Infinite is still supposed to be a massive game, bigger than 4 and 5 combined. If it's a great GAME.. and they can polish the graphics a bit, that could represent a bit of a comeback.

But it appears they have not much else in the works ready to go any time remotely soon. And some of what they do have in development is from unproven studios.
 

Sinthor

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With the Forza trailer being "in engine" on unspecified hardware and with unspecified frametimes (it wasn't even stated as realtime) and with the Halo Infinite demo being confirmed running on PC, we might very well have not seen a single game running on XSX in the whole showcase yesterday...

This is honestly very disappointing a few month before launch and with the wrong-messaging of the previous XSX showcase borderline offensive. But it actually fits to the rumour that the PS5 is further along in development and that Sony is a lot more open behind the scenes than Microsoft.

I don't understand how Microsoft could be behind in the development curve unless they had ended up having to scrap the XSX they were delivering and start from scratch? I mean, both companies have been targeting holiday 2020 for some time now. Are there any rumors or solid information that MS had to do this? I mean it kind of sounds like how some people had spread the rumor that SONY had to scramble and get things moving because the PS5 was initially a 8TF box and when they found out MS was 12 they had to "do something." THAT rumor was obviously BS and I haven't heard anything like that about MS, but I don't know how they could be behind the curve with the XSX unless something like that DID happen to them. ??
 

Hobbygaming

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PS5 having better, more customizable ray tracing capabilities have been rumors and stated for over a year. As a matter of fact ps5 have better almost everything besides gpu and a cpu tht is almost identical to nextbox has always been the rumors.
I think some of the same things will hurt Xbox exclusives like not being able to get closer to the metal because your games have to run on so many different things

A rumor mentioned that Sony updated their API even more for the PS5. You can get so much more from the hardware when you don't have to worry about it running on alarm clocks
 

Dodkrake

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I don't understand how Microsoft could be behind in the development curve unless they had ended up having to scrap the XSX they were delivering and start from scratch? I mean, both companies have been targeting holiday 2020 for some time now. Are there any rumors or solid information that MS had to do this? I mean it kind of sounds like how some people had spread the rumor that SONY had to scramble and get things moving because the PS5 was initially a 8TF box and when they found out MS was 12 they had to "do something." THAT rumor was obviously BS and I haven't heard anything like that about MS, but I don't know how they could be behind the curve with the XSX unless something like that DID happen to them. ??

They didn't scrap anything. They probably got delayed in delivering final spec dev kits and the platform isn't up to scratch. But all this is conjecture.
 

Anki

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Any Sony fan here will get free hotel and probably won't spend a penny during the stay (seriously speaking) 🥳 . Xbox fans...:lollipop_downcast_sweat: yeah they will get their free, special tour to the sinkhole.:lollipop_smirking:
Dammit, i used to live in Abu Dhabi 2-3 years ago, if i was still there i would come for a visit 😄
 
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