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ToadMan
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MS didn't show a single second of gameplay running on an "xbox"....
That's fine - MS want to go down the platform agnostic path so just demo everything on PC.
But this thread, the MS marketing, the whole idea of new hardware and the purpose of the MS event was all expected to show Xbox hardware running a game and looking good.
We didn't get anything like that.
icerock
Member
Halo 3
Halo Infinite
Halo Infinite Pre-Downgrade
It'll be really interesting to hear about the development of this game once it's out. I can already imagine Schreier would be eager to sink his teeth into it.
This was shown a year before to demonstrate the engine
Also, this popped up in my feed. Man, CDPR really did us dirty when it came to graphics. They showcased it on main stage with the controller to make it feel like it was running on Xbox One.
It still remains T3 game of the generation for me, so there's still hope for Halo, if they can nail the gameplay, people will forget about graphics quick.
Ptarmiganx2
Member
Glad I had my breakfast after seeing the event or I might ruin my keyboard and mouse.I've had some quality days with Ghost of Tsushima, one of my best games of all time. I really expected a mediocre show, but this isn't good enough to be mediocre.
I can’t wait to start GOT. I waited a month to start TLOU2 so I didn‘t end up divorced fighting over who got to play GOT first. If you had to pick one between TLOU2 and GOT which one would it be? I’m digging the sequel, but I don’t think it will pass Horizon as my game of the generation.
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sircaw
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He will choose TLOU2... ONE REASON ABBY. BO like his chicks Buffed.
The stronger they are the more of his luggage they can carry. Simples.
JeloSWE
Member
I've finished TLOU2 and I liked it a lot and have no problem with the story and such. I'm currently about 60-75% through GoT.
TLOU2 is a hell of an emotional ride. It's way more of a cerebral experience than almost any game I've played. It's extremely good looking and beautiful in a melancholic way. Combat is very fun and you there is a lot of creativity in how you can approach each encounter.
GoT is distractingly beautiful, you'll spend time just gawking at sunsets and the densely vegetated landscapes, every where you look is another post card to send and around each hill is something new to discover. Combat is extremely fun once you get a hang of it. Stealth is good but nothing special. Story is serviceable, absolutely not bad but as all the main lines are broken up in parts and you travel all over the open world, doing many smaller side quests which are actually quite good and fun in their own right, you kind of loose the narrative focus compared to more linearly paced games. So for me the stories are there for game play opportunities and variation while a game such as TLOU2 is the main source to elicit emotions.
TLDR: TLOU2 = story and insane graphics, GoT = game plays and beautiful vistas.
So if I had to pick one game of the year it would have to be TLOU2 out of sheer production quality and emotional impact. And I think I prefer HZD over GoT a little bit.
But I have to give GoT some outstanding credits in the quality of life things it does: Navigating the menus are extremely fast and you can exit from any level by just pressing start again, fuck I hate games forcing me to tap back back back back to get out. Also fast traveling and re-spawn on death is unbelievably fast compared to other titles, this is very close to how it's going to feel on a next gen SSD. One minor caveat is that the mid tones of the HDR are a bit under exposed and shadows are way contrasty, I had to raise in-game brightness to 70-80 and then add some saturation on my TV to compensate for the loss of colors but now it looks quite good.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
these screenshots, so misleading.It'll be really interesting to hear about the development of this game once it's out. I can already imagine Schreier would be eager to sink his teeth into it.
This was shown a year before to demonstrate the engine
this has to be the worst downgrade ever. Watch dogs, witcher 3, rainbow six seige have nothing on this.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Okay so I made this brief list about the first/second party games presented at both events with their possible release dates:
PlayStation (In this case, I believe most of the games presented were targeting a 2020/2021 release date):
Spider-Man Miles Morales (Holiday 2020/ Launch game)
Destruction All Stars (I was thinking this one could be a launch game, but probably an early 2021 release)
Returnal (Probably 2021)
Demon's Souls Remake (Probably 2021)
Sackboy (I've got a feeling this one could be a launch day title too)
Astro's Playroom (Holiday 2020/ Free game installed on every console)
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart (Probably 2021)
Horizon II: Forbidden West (Probably mid 2021)
Xbox:
Halo Infinite (Holiday 2020, Launch game)
Forza Motorsport (most likely a 2022 release, Phil Spencer said it's "early in develpment")
State of Decay 3 (probably a 2022/2023 release)
Avowed (probably a 2023 release)
Grounded (Launching next week! and obviously it will be playable at launch too)
Phychonauts 2 (Recently delayed to 2021)
Hellblade 2 (most likely a 2022/2023 release date)
Fable (it seems this one is still an early in development trailer, 2023 is the most likely scenario)
Everwild (I'd say this one is targeting a 2022 release)
Tell Me Why (Launching on August 27, also available at launch)
PlayStation announced 9 games, Xbox announced 10, PlayStation has 2 confirmed games available at launch (Spider-Man Miles Morales and Astro's Playroom) while so far Xbox has 3 (Grounded, Tell Me Why and Halo Infinite). But on the PlayStation side I think we have some games that could be easily be launch titles (such as Destruction All Stars and Sackboy) and this could be confirmed (or not) on the next event and the other titles are probably releasing throughout the next year. While on the Xbox side we only have Psychonauts 2 throughout the entire 2021 while the other games are 2022 releases at the earliest. This makes me wonder if Xbox Series X can live only from Console Launch Exclusives.
PlayStation (In this case, I believe most of the games presented were targeting a 2020/2021 release date):
Spider-Man Miles Morales (Holiday 2020/ Launch game)
Destruction All Stars (I was thinking this one could be a launch game, but probably an early 2021 release)
Returnal (Probably 2021)
Demon's Souls Remake (Probably 2021)
Sackboy (I've got a feeling this one could be a launch day title too)
Astro's Playroom (Holiday 2020/ Free game installed on every console)
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart (Probably 2021)
Horizon II: Forbidden West (Probably mid 2021)
Xbox:
Halo Infinite (Holiday 2020, Launch game)
Forza Motorsport (most likely a 2022 release, Phil Spencer said it's "early in develpment")
State of Decay 3 (probably a 2022/2023 release)
Avowed (probably a 2023 release)
Grounded (Launching next week! and obviously it will be playable at launch too)
Phychonauts 2 (Recently delayed to 2021)
Hellblade 2 (most likely a 2022/2023 release date)
Fable (it seems this one is still an early in development trailer, 2023 is the most likely scenario)
Everwild (I'd say this one is targeting a 2022 release)
Tell Me Why (Launching on August 27, also available at launch)
PlayStation announced 9 games, Xbox announced 10, PlayStation has 2 confirmed games available at launch (Spider-Man Miles Morales and Astro's Playroom) while so far Xbox has 3 (Grounded, Tell Me Why and Halo Infinite). But on the PlayStation side I think we have some games that could be easily be launch titles (such as Destruction All Stars and Sackboy) and this could be confirmed (or not) on the next event and the other titles are probably releasing throughout the next year. While on the Xbox side we only have Psychonauts 2 throughout the entire 2021 while the other games are 2022 releases at the earliest. This makes me wonder if Xbox Series X can live only from Console Launch Exclusives.
Nickolaidas
Member
Nah, I can see Bo being a gentleman!He will choose TLOU2... ONE REASON ABBY. BO like his chicks Buffed.
The stronger they are the more of his luggage they can carry. Simples.
ToadMan
Member
It's over guys...
You know I'm coming round to this idea now.
I think actually there is no generational console competition at this stage.
MS aren't directly competing with Sony or Nintendo any more.
Xsex isn't being treated like a "next gen" console release. The way MS are treating it, the release of xsex this year is a coincidence not a focus of their strategy.
To be honest I think MS is pulling in 2 directions internally - one part, probably the business side - has seen the potential for a new revenue stream for gamepass, the opportunity to lead that segment, and wants all resources to go there. Thye want to be spotify/netflix and the opportunity is there at the moment.
That element probably doesn't want to spend money to develop/release custom hardware right now - the work is done so may as well press on - but xbox hardware isn't their priority and the custom hardware messaging conflicts with gamepass.
Somewhere else - probably inside the xbox division and the teams working on the hardware/ O/S - they still believe they're competing in the consumer electronics space with Sony and they're the ones pushing a new Xbox.
No one had the balls to straight up cancel the xsex project so they're continuing but clearly it's not the focus of MS efforts.
In the past I felt that if the xsex was a "sales failure" it'd be the last custom hardware xbox. Now I'm not sure it matters whether it's a "failure" or "success" assuming gamepass is winning/competing in the game "sampler" segment.
MS are making all their games run on low spec hardware and PC. Why produce custom hardware if you can just box up a PC and badge it as xbox and still run the games? Save a ton of money on custom hardware/OS and get the same result.
What this means for Sony is that while the PS5 is unopposed in the "traditional" console space, they'll be forced to respond to how the market is moving. Simple answer - let gamepass appear on playstation - but that's the thin end of a wedge - for gamepass to work on PS, the PS architecture also has to be/remain PC like going forward.
Sony could go the other way and try to compete with MS on something like gamepass in the cross platform world but here's where the visions of the companies diverge.
Sony have a different stake in the game - they're a consumer electronics company. Playstation fits with their other products in the home electronics space so it's in their interest to resist the PC crossover for as long as they can.
If PS stops being custom hardware and moves to a PC box with releases day/date in the PC space, Sony would be competing in a sector they have little presence in, and dilute the very consumer electronics focus that drives the sales across their product line.
TLDR Gamepass plays to MS strengths, Playstation plays to Sony's strengths - they're not directly comepting right now and neither should they.
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sircaw
Banned
You don't know Bo like i do, he beats me!
ToadMan
Member
Jesus fucking Christ...
And the graphics aren't even the best part of GOT. The gameplay was still entertaining at hour 60 or how ever many it was to get the plat.
It's really a unicorn game - looks great and plays great and even manages to innovate the genre in a few ways.
I hope there is a great GOT 2 but I don't think SP can ever match the impact of this one - coming on the heels of TLOU 2 it was a sleeper and that made its impact that much greater.
So maybe it's best to just let it breathe on PS5, add some DLC and then leave it as a perfect standalone experience rather than pollute it with sequels that can't match the impact of this one.
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JeloSWE
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They could do another country and warrior cast. Like AC but so much better
But they need to pick a location that is as beautiful as Japan and that is going to be difficult.
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Rea
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Damn! It took me 2 whole days to catch up to last page of this thread since Friday. Well, after watching MS game showcase 2020, i kinda feel depressed, although I'm a PS guy. Seriously, i pity for those xbox hardcore fans (not for xbox fanboys, they deserve it) Phill and his team just spat in the face of us. Yeah, they showed Halo 8 mins gameplay that looked like shit. Is it the way, how they treat their fans? Or potential customers? How are they selling a XSex when all games they were showing, were not running on Xsex? I have never seen a company selling their products without showing any demonstration of the features of their product. Sony on the other hand, have disclaimer that games were running real rime from ps5 hardware itself. Where is the power about 12 tflops and So Called ✌VA✌ Architecture?? And their direction is just selling the gamepass, which is a disaster for gaming industry. Man,, i really pray that sony won't follow their business model.
ToadMan
Member
Seems like Sony will at least announce price and preorder in August. I don't know if they bother to show any new games yet - they can just keep them in the chamber to counter whatever MS do next, if anything.
Sony probably clarify expected launch/launch window games though and maybe detail TLOU2 and GOT stuff for PS5 since those games are complete and ready to go on PS5. DLC and the TLOU 2 multiplayer could be quite big announcements for PS5 right now.
TLOU 2 might get a prequel DLC so everyone can play as Joel again...
To be honest, right now as things stand, TLOU 2 and GOT running enhanced on PS5 coupled with SM:MM and a couple of other exclusives at launch would be a big deal - enough to push me to get a PS5 at release.
For MS/xsex - what MUST come next is something - anything - running on an xsex (and looking good). When will this be? I don't know - but right now I don't have confidence MS can produce that in the next month. We may have to wait until after the xsex has launched to see a compelling reason to buy it.
ToadMan
Member
They could do another country and warrior cast. Like AC but so much better
But they need to pick a location that is as beautiful as Japan and that is going to be difficult.
Yeah maybe - there are hooks in the story that could allow it to branch out while maintaining at least a link to this stuff.
I don't know if I want an AC style total clearing down of the story and a new game but with the same mechanics. I don't mind if they do that but not to call it Ghost of ....
I guess kind of like FromSoft Soulsborne - take the mechanisms, adjust them for the new setting and release a new independent game/story.
I did read SP had considered a 3 musketeers style story setting. Could be interesting.
Then again - it would be interesting to see the rest of Jin's story. At least on my play through there was still a story to be told for Jin about what happens next.... but I think that could be DLC rather than a whole new GOT 2.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Come on that's not entirely fair
He mentioned he wanted to cross reference the info he had for quite some time before releasing it on a video. Most of this he had already hinted at in past shows but just like RGT, he waited until a few more independent sources corroborated the info.
The important thing was making sure that the RGT source was different than MLiD's other sources so it adds credibility to the claims.
And besides, I don't remember anything particularly bombastic being said. Cerny had already pretty much said certain features would likely appear in future AMD architectures, coming out of the Sony requirements and cooperation for the PS5. It's a case of 1+1=2
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Deleted member 775630
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XSX is vital for Microsoft because that shows that they are still a console gaming company, and that they have the "best place to play", and they aren't going to give that up.
bitbydeath
Member
Kena is a launch title too.
JeloSWE
Member
That still looks basic. The animals harsh right side shadows. All the trees looks so bad for a next gen. The weapon lacks self shadowing etc.Here's a quick mockup, a small reminder of how hard we were robbed with this presentation, this is what could've been:
ToadMan
Member
Well if xsex is "vital" for MS they're doing a good job of hiding that with the gamepass and "hardware sales not important" message. Not to mention not showing it running anything.
It seems to me that back when Xbox started, the internet of consumer electronics was only just starting. MS saw the opportunity to get into that space with a console and spread out into the "living room". It was a good strategy at the time - compete in the consumer electronics space leveraging software rather than hardware.
But one way or another, that space has moved on - smart TVs, small set top boxes like AppleTV and Sony with their product lineup have kept game consoles focused on gaming and the "all in one device" hasn't become ubiquitous. I don't know about anyone else but for me gaming is on the console - netflix is through the TV, others services are through Apple TV.
Gamepass is a natural way for MS to go - they shift the focus to a software/service they can dominate again rather than be a consumer electronics "bit player".
Sony want you to buy a TV, hifi, blu ray movies and play it all on PS- their message is similar to MS - "Sony electronics are the best way to consume entertainment content". And there's the difference - software vs hardware and the focus of each company.
Gamepass and software services are the wheelhouse for MS - but the logical conclusion is MS ditch the custom hardware and that's why I think we're seeing xsex marginalised in the messaging.
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Cutty Flam
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Considering switching to Sony Playstation and getting the PS5, tired of Microsoft fucking around. The main franchise, Halo, has been disgraced by 343i....
All they had to fucking do, was protect that one franchise, build that one franchise and make Halo: Infinite at least somewhat presentable and impressive. Dead Space on my Xbox 360 had better graphics ffs. I can't take 34i seriously any more. I respected Halo: CE heavily dspite not playing it; I only watched others play. Halo 2 is the GOAT Halo game and matchmaking IMO. Halo 3 was superb if not outstanding. And then, Bungie left and 343i took the wheel. Halo 4 was bland. I didn't support Halo 5 because I was so upset with Halo 4. And now they've made a mockery of Halo: Infinite. It's looking to be the same exact mistake as 343i made with the Halo: Master Chief Collection. They totally fucked that game up and released it completely bugged to death. It took years before it was decent enough to play with. I cannot believe this company....Nor Microsoft for letting these clowns operate the way they have been for so long. Fucking pathetic on their part. Not only do the let down their fans, they completely let down their fans, often
That's the vent I needed. I'm seriously considering not buying an Xbox360 (like 90% of my friends will buy) and seeing what the Playstation experience is like for the first time since the very original Playstation. I sort of don't want to because I've played Xbox360 from like 2007 all the way to 2019 pretty much; and I would be letting go of Gears of War and Halo, but it's to the point where I detest 343i and their practice. It's a poor showing all around
Not good with technology at all but maybe I'll read through this thread some and see what PS5 has to offer. The graphics are insane on PS4, and PS5 had some gorgeous looking games. Going to be looking at a lot of games Sony has to offer, and this time heavily weigh the two options. Microsoft is a fucking joke for not supervising Halo: Infinite properly. Who the fuck is keeping tabs on the studios that produce their games? Frank O'Conner should have been on a short leash after all his fuck ups in the past...
All they had to fucking do, was protect that one franchise, build that one franchise and make Halo: Infinite at least somewhat presentable and impressive. Dead Space on my Xbox 360 had better graphics ffs. I can't take 34i seriously any more. I respected Halo: CE heavily dspite not playing it; I only watched others play. Halo 2 is the GOAT Halo game and matchmaking IMO. Halo 3 was superb if not outstanding. And then, Bungie left and 343i took the wheel. Halo 4 was bland. I didn't support Halo 5 because I was so upset with Halo 4. And now they've made a mockery of Halo: Infinite. It's looking to be the same exact mistake as 343i made with the Halo: Master Chief Collection. They totally fucked that game up and released it completely bugged to death. It took years before it was decent enough to play with. I cannot believe this company....Nor Microsoft for letting these clowns operate the way they have been for so long. Fucking pathetic on their part. Not only do the let down their fans, they completely let down their fans, often
That's the vent I needed. I'm seriously considering not buying an Xbox360 (like 90% of my friends will buy) and seeing what the Playstation experience is like for the first time since the very original Playstation. I sort of don't want to because I've played Xbox360 from like 2007 all the way to 2019 pretty much; and I would be letting go of Gears of War and Halo, but it's to the point where I detest 343i and their practice. It's a poor showing all around
Not good with technology at all but maybe I'll read through this thread some and see what PS5 has to offer. The graphics are insane on PS4, and PS5 had some gorgeous looking games. Going to be looking at a lot of games Sony has to offer, and this time heavily weigh the two options. Microsoft is a fucking joke for not supervising Halo: Infinite properly. Who the fuck is keeping tabs on the studios that produce their games? Frank O'Conner should have been on a short leash after all his fuck ups in the past...
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Deleted member 775630
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They've been putting XSX in the forefront since December 2019 in their marketing. Just because this showcase didn't properly show it's power doesn't mean the whole console is marginalised in the messaging. I think Microsoft just believes in both. Best and most powerful console to play on, AND Game Pass best service to get your games. It's just not easy to market them both simultaneously when one is failing to show why it's needed. If Halo was a technical marvel everyone would see why XSX is a great console and is needed. Now we only see in Game Pass a positive, because Halo fell flat.
kensama
Member
So try to explain this please:
Xbox Series X: Microsoft tailors launch plans for the pandemic
Xbox chief Phil Spencer explains how coronavirus has affected the console's release strategy.
www.bbc.com
I think you should stop acting as Dictator and find any excuses for MS.
And don't answer COVId please. Cause if COVID affect Microsoft they had the choice to postponer the launch and wait better situation, but they absolutely want to launch at Holiday 2020.
So if Ms is straight for Holiday launch you must have all to be prepared.
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J_Gamer.exe
Member
The game will look like parts they showed us. You can see at parts its just the camera moved round.
Look at the first game on base ps4 and imagine what a system many more time more powerful could do.
Horizon will look out of this world.
Knitted Knight
Banned
I'll be the first to poke some fun at downgrade zoomers in games. A lot of games have downgrades, where the developer lessens details for an effect or this or that...but majority of the time it's not overly drastic and very minor ...even with the worse cases in the spectrum that should be called out. What we saw 2 days ago however, that's beyond downgrade.
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silent head
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Coulomb_Barrier
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After the Halo meme disaster, I think this messaging of 'the most powerful console' has been blown apart. To say it is one thing, to show it is another thing entirely. They can't show games that will look as good as PS5 first party as firstly, they don't have a culture creating them or the studios to do it (5 yr development and massive budget on Halo and it ends up with Xbox 360 geometry). The will to create AAAA visual experiences is also not there as Gamepass means first party are more focused on smaller or multiplayer titles.
Secondly, the biggest fail imo; cross gen with low end PCs the entirety of the gen and Lockhart, and also Xbox One for 2 years, is going to hold back their hardware.
I always believed PS5 exclusives are going to set the benchmark visually or deliver those AAA next-gen experiences this gen, but after that Xbox show casuals are starting to see it too.
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ToadMan
Member
Yeah agree - the xsex marketing and messaging is awful right now and MS aren't taking steps to turn that around - or at least not effective steps.
If that's the best MS "marketing" and the xbox division can do with a new console there's a problem - they either make a plan to move away from the custom hardware (and MS are a blue chip company so I believe that was/is the plan all the way back to the first use of x86, not an accident) or the market will force that on them unceremoniously.
Sinthor
Gold Member
It's definitely a rough one. I just can't buy all the spin right now. Saying that it's just lighting...clearly not the case with all the pop in and the object issues rampant throughout the demo. Not saying it can't be a fun game even as it is (and I'm sure it will be improved) but there's just no way that lighting changes would turn this into something even close to that initial trailer they showed. Likewise the OTHER claims now that this was a 4+ month old version of the game shown. There's just NO WAY you show that old of a game build for your flagship product. I mean, if true, then Microsoft has COMPLETELY lost all competence. In WHAT WORLD would you show THAT OLD of a build. Does that mean that newer builds are WORSE? Generally they get better as the game gets closer to ship date.......
I think in the end, 343 and Microsoft are having problems with this game. I think it's the scope along with having to make it run and viable on the OneX as well as XSX. I think that legacy support obviously IS going to cause them some issues. Maybe this is why they didn't have any other gameplay to show as other studios are having similar issues, but without having had a product in the works for 5 years already they are REALLY not ready to show something? I dunno.
I'm sure this will work out in the end for Xbox fans but right now...sure doesn't look pretty.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Yep, this hurt when game was first released. Now you can mod it to look way better than what was showed at E3 + at 4k / 60FPS...
Rea
Member
Microsoft is not a console gaming company though.
icerock
Member
Could you please link the mods? I'll be eager to test them out myself. Ty.
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pasterpl
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I don’t understand that doom and gloom posts about ms, yes, halo infinite presentation was a disgrace (but I am hoping it was alpha build), but ms just presented 22 games that will be console exclusives for xbox (some timed, but still something too look forward to), not all first party studios shown what they are working on so there is still something to wait for. I would say that before next gen launches we will have a list of 30-40 Xbox exclusives that will launch in the next 1-3 years, roughly 1 a month, all will be game pass day one, there is nice mix of various genres and everything from indie to AA and AAA titles. So what we know is that xbsex will be 12tf powerhouse, and that “there are no games on Xbox“ narrative can go away. One Halo Infinite should not define the console, event though it is a flagship franchise.
for me;
for me;
- sony event didnt convince me to buy ps5 day one (I will wait and buy it mid gen when there are enough Sony exclusives released, like I do every gen)
- ms event didn’t change my mind and I will get xbsex day one when it launches
- game pass value will be hard to ignore for casual gamers to dip into ms ecosystem and this seems to be the main objective for ms this coming generation
We‘ve also learned that 343i are not the greatest marketers.
Sinthor
Gold Member
That's what they should have done with TLOU after the PS4 remaster. They always SAID they hadn't planned on that being a series- it was designed as a one off. Should have stayed that way. Unlike TLOU, I can see there being room and STORY room for another GoT game or even 2. Yeah, wouldn't have the same impact as it would be more of the same for the most part but still. With the art style and flow of the game, I think I'd be ok with that.
Like you, I agree that this may well be the last custom hardware generation for Microsoft. I just think it will be dictated by how the Lockhart box does. I think it has the potential to severely cannibalize the sales of XSX. If that happen, I think MS will just go the gamepass and software route. Maybe continue offering a "low end" low cost box like Lockhart in the future. But if they sell a ton of lockhart and it kills their XSX sales... either they will stick with the low end or it might force them out of the hardware market altogether.
It's pretty obvious they've been schizophrenic with their strategy...getting rid of most of their development houses including Bungie before suddenly starting to acquire them again. As a result, they won't have many title until another couple of years have passed and that's going to hurt them sales wise as well. I just don't think they care overall so much. Their focus is on the platform, so gamers can run games on multiple systems and even their mobile devices. The XSX is going to be a higher margin product for them, so they NEED it to sell very well in order to stay in the hardware game, IMHO.
farmerboy
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FranXico
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Moore's Law Is Dead
Sinthor
Gold Member
You know what...I'd like to see a game like GoT or the Assassins Creed type of game but set in North America during the height of all the Native tribes. Their conflicts between tribes and Indian nations would give a lot of story and interactions with different enemy and ally types. I think it could be very cool, going from forest to the plains, deserts to the high mountain regions. Or, give us some story in the time of the Ottoman empire set in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. I think those are some areas and histories that haven't had much done with them yet and would be very interesting.
bhunachicken
Member
Hell of a lot of quality PS4 games you'll also be able to play. Definitely worth it, if you ask me.
farmerboy
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Obviously. Thanks.
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bellome
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They are competing.
Both companies try to satisfy the same need, but with slightly different strategies.
farmerboy
Member
Is he claiming MLID was appropriating RGTs work?
Not sure if I agree with that. MLID references RGT in his latest vid, doesn't he?
HAL-01
Member
It's just the visuals we were promised back in 2018. I for one would've been more than pleased if the actual game had looked like this
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Honest question, why do you feel the need to get xsx day one, but prefer to wait years for the ps5?
Why I ask?
Well, xsx won't have any exclusives for the first few years and I assume you already have either a x1x or a pc.
Historically Playstation exclusives and general first party output are not only output at higher volumes, but also generally at higher quality as well.
Apparently MS wants to release all their games on PC, so if you're an enthusiast and looking for the best hardware out there, wouldn't you just have a good pc instead?
Setsuna Mudou
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Yes, he did, so I'm not entirely sure what the issue was here.
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ToadMan
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This is true in the same way as Netflix competes with big theatrical movie releases. They're both competing for your entertainment money but the models are different and most people differentiate them in terms of spend and audience. I don't get netflix and not go to the movies for big releases - similarly I don't go watch a movie and decide not to pay a month or two of netflix to make up the cost difference.
In this sense they're not competing.
For me personally, netflix is what I put on when I'm not that interested in concetrating on anything. I don't really watch much stuff on netflix because it lacks value to me - not like going to a movie and being focused for 2 or 3 hours. Netflix also lacks a good library of seminal content so it's not a platform for people who are interested in the artistry of cinematography.
So that's my point - MS are moving to be the netflix of the gaming space. For that they just need a box to run on - they don't need to design and build the box any more than Netflix build TVs.
You'll be able to dabble in many types of game - they just have to be entertaining enough for an hour or so. When they're boring, close and move on to the next. Augment that filler with some bigger (and older) releases or MS 1P content and you've recreated the succesful netflix model in gaming.
But Sony seem more comfortable being the larger stage bigger impact platform - big theatrical releases need a "cinema" to show them in - that's what Sony sells for the home environment.
I just see what MS is doing now as playing to their strengths, what I don't want is Sony to try and follow MS down that road. Otherwise we'll have the equivalent of just netflix and no big cinema movies any more.
Gudji
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MS has no fucking clue of what they're doing in the gaming industry! They lack vision and insight, their marketing is deceiving and the PR people/execs are always lying or contradicting themselves. The show where they HAD to show something AMAZING was just as mediocre as any of their past E3 shows, if not worse. The only thing they managed to do is to ensure Sony will sell those 10 Million PS5's in a couple of months.
Gamepass is good value? Yes, for those that want to play for cheap and like GaaS games - Halo, Forza and Fable will all be GaaS titles too which is hilarious. The majority of the gamepass catalog is trash and I can count by the my hands the number of titles I've enjoyed from it. Until they start releasing incredible 1st party games it won't be more than a cheap way to play. But for me and many others, value is in playing memorable games and those I can find on sony's offerings, so I'll be picking up a PS5 as soon as I can!
Gamepass is good value? Yes, for those that want to play for cheap and like GaaS games - Halo, Forza and Fable will all be GaaS titles too which is hilarious. The majority of the gamepass catalog is trash and I can count by the my hands the number of titles I've enjoyed from it. Until they start releasing incredible 1st party games it won't be more than a cheap way to play. But for me and many others, value is in playing memorable games and those I can find on sony's offerings, so I'll be picking up a PS5 as soon as I can!
JeloSWE
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So I've worked with graphics my whole life and I think the demo and this original footage isn't that far off honestly. I think the backgrounds in the new demo was a poor choice of location as it's has too many flat surfaces and the trees just looks so out of place and scattered about, it's really lacking in art direction and landscape composition. The background mountains had perhaps a bit lower details in their texture work than this screen shot. But these trees looks like shit in 2020 and Halo was the think people thought would show of the capabilities of the 12FT machine they've been boasting about. Both the old and new shots looks to simple and plain as well as lacking in lighting. They really should have implemented some basic Global Illumination and screen space reflections. Also the trees and grass should sway a little bit and the trees them selves should use their LOD-1 further back so not to look so flat/billboard. I mean, even though they lighting need to work with dynamic night and day, GoT pulls both vegetation and lighting off better than this.It's just the visuals we were promised back in 2018. I for one would've been more than pleased if the actual game had looked like this
The two things I think would solve this is some form of GI so the shadowed side of objects would catch some indirect lighting in conjunction with better AO for darkening of crevices and for objects to cast indirect shadows when stuff are not in direct sunlight so they don't seem to float above the floor. And the vegetation needs more complexity and variation. But basically a better light solution wold go a very long way.
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Metroiddarks
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Halo Infinite is not only some game is your main game which looks bad and they became that game as service. Is not only 343 is bad in marketing looks like
they are not able to make a game running to 60 without looks worst that its last release,if I think game will be improve graphically in its release? yes but not
much compare than you see that demo, that build is not from the beginning of this year probably just have maximum little more of a month.
Regarding the missing studios well:
Compulsion Games has very regular last game so who cares
Coalition just release Gears less a year ago is insane wait another announcement this year
Initiative they say have few time working so is probably a 2022 game
Mojan just release minecraft dungeons, probably they only will implement RT in XSX for Minecraft
Inxile will release wasteland for all platforms the next month
World Edge is working in Age of empire 3 probably for the next year if we have luck
That is all the studios, I cannot recommend buy a console for use a service where the console is not necessary and less when is main exclusive is treated as game as service
with graphics worse than many current gen games.
We are talking about quality not quantity (this is not cellphone market) when we say Xbox doesn't have games and looks like for the missing Xbox One decal in many games,
the XSX will still be without be used as should be until 2022.
If I buy XSX is because I can but I will not recommended until Xbox have titles with at least the level of Forza horizon 4 and Ori because I know with PS4 I will have Spiderman and
Horizon,Kenna in its first year.
You were obvious will never buy a PS5 just looking your comments the last months, and for now house of graphics looks is PS5 you know the console which show gameplay
running in PS5 which doesn't looks as current gen.
I was expecting Halo prove me I was wrong but not looks like Microsoft still be the same.
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