zaitsu
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But horizon 2 will be probably 30 fps game. Still i think we'll getting the graphic from trailer.
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Metroiddarks
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The Medium prerequisites:
- MINIMUM:
- Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
- OS: Windows 10 (64bit version only)
- Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-6600 / AMD Ryzen™ 5 2500X
- Memory: 8 GB RAM
- Graphics: @1080p NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1060 6GB / AMD Radeon™ R9 390X (or equivalent with 4 GB VRAM)
- DirectX: Version 11
- Storage: 30 GB available space
- Sound Card: DirectX compatible, headphones recommended
- RECOMMENDED:
- Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
- OS: Windows 10 (64bit version only)
- Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-9600 / AMD Ryzen™ 7 3700X
- Memory: 16 GB RAM
- Graphics: @1080p NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 1660 Ti / Radeon™ RX Vega 56 | @4K NVIDIA GeForce® RTX 2070 / Radeon™ RX 5700 XT
- DirectX: Version 12
- Storage: 30 GB available space
- Sound Card: DirectX compatible, headphones recommended
- Additional Notes: NVIDIA GeForce® RTX 2080 ror 4K with ray tracing on
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FeiRR
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There's absolutely nothing in the gameplay of Medium that can't be done on this gen, even on Switch. You have small rooms, slow camera movement. There's no switching between worlds but two camera views side by side. It's exactly how splitscreen games work. Think of Mario Kart, for example.
Makes me wonder how much TLOU2 was. I'd say pretty close.
I watched it twice because I couldn't believe it was so bad. Second time I saw even more texture pops and low quality assets. It's a sky-high dumpster fire. I'm also sharing it with other people to show them how bad Xbox situation is and warn them against losing their money on it.
This was my Shadowfall moment of next gen. Very few people realize how incredibly difficult the scene is and that without SSD it wouldn't be possible at all.Yeah, this scene in particular looks like something out of a Pixar movie.
Real competition is great. Xbox is no competition at this point. They are just making things more difficult for Sony and Nintendo.
That's good because anti-aliasing algorithms are exactly trying to achieve it.
zaitsu
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Here we are, devs wasting usage of SSD for just loading times beacuse of PC market.
Cant be done on XoNe yet minimal requirments are hints that it can be done.
Long story short they didnt want to bother with optimization, ive got some insides about CP2077 base consoles optimization being huge pain in the ass. There were some meeting only about abandoning current generation becaue of how poorly its running right now/past few months. Dynamic resolution is common droping as low as 720p on regular xbox one.
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SlimySnake
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lol i meant there is no anti-aliasing in the game.
Metroiddarks
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But also they are an small team with its first game for the new gen, probably they still using RAM approach as always.
3liteDragon
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A side-by-side comparison of the PlayStation 5 and the Xbox Series X - CNN
www.cnn.com
How the PlayStation 5 compares to the Xbox Series X
This holiday season will see a showdown between new consoles from two of the biggest names in gaming: Sony and Microsoft.
www.cnn.com
ZywyPL
Banned
What? The whole game needs just 30GB of space, some people have more RAM than that, what do you need SSD for? And it's still one of the three games in existence so far that uses any sort of world shifting. So where is the SSD being wasted? And does the SSD needs to be leveraged to begin with for the games to be great and fun to play? I don't think so, far from it.
zaitsu
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Very poor articleA side-by-side comparison of the PlayStation 5 and the Xbox Series X - CNN
How the PlayStation 5 compares to the Xbox Series X
This holiday season will see a showdown between new consoles from two of the biggest names in gaming: Sony and Microsoft.
zaitsu
Banned
Probably both worlds are in RAM in the same time.
So 16 GB for both worlds in the same time is giving us 8 GB per world.
With SSD swaping they could go for 16 GB per just one world, then use higher assets and maybe game would be 60 GB.
Metroiddarks
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They have use a much less of 16 GB remember you still need space for the OS and other background process.
The GPU requirements are beautiful ..... yes I love to see high requirements in the beginning of the gen for AA game.
Finem Orientis
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zaitsu
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Yeah i know, more like 12.5 GB, i just wanted to show how can SSD be used in game like that.
bitbydeath
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A side-by-side comparison of the PlayStation 5 and the Xbox Series X - CNN
How the PlayStation 5 compares to the Xbox Series X
This holiday season will see a showdown between new consoles from two of the biggest names in gaming: Sony and Microsoft.
CNN gets it.
ZywyPL
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Rea
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Then why is he not tired for nitpicking ps5 trailers( gt7 and Hfw)??Agree, is not like we don't think XSX is not able to deliver stunning graphics but they have a couple of problems for that:
-Xbox one generation is an anchor for any game of Xbox studios until end of 2022 at least Xbox break its promise.
-Gamepass is great for players but most of your games cannot take 5 years to be dev as your need to fill the catalog
so you have to reduce the ambition of your game or make as service. Of course this will not affect all the games but
will have an impact when the engagement care more than anything else just see how Fornite and Destiny just looks
good but not more.
So for now the studios of Xbox which looks are able to deliver that kind of experience or its games adapt to do that are:
-The Coalition which just release a game
-Playground Games probably Fable is a 2022 or later
-Turn 10 another 2022 title possible
-Initiative looks will be is new AAA studio
-Ninja Theory another 2022 or later
In theory should be also Obsidian but I need more than 5 sec of "in game" between CGIs to see if is true.
So looks like XSX generation start in 2022 not this year and also we need to see if lockhart is really going to match the CPU and SSD
of its big brother because if not the anchor will be just little lighter but will be still there.
343 well after of Halo 5 they need a big Halo but now after that demonstration and became a game as service the future doesn't looks good
for Halo.
Alex was just too tired to be nitpicky
zaitsu
Banned
It's not straight forward as that, but you probably know what i ment.
That's not how it works...
pasterpl
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So I wouldn't be surprised if 343i was sabotaging Halo Infinite on purpose. Look at the official screenshots they released. I thought these were taken from a bad youtube feed to make the game look awful but this was actually released by 343i in their press kit to be distributed.
Halo Infinite XGS Press Kit 2020 | Halo Infinite | Forums | Halo - Official Site
www.halowaypoint.com
Yes, the last screenshot came from 343i. This has to be 343i trying to tell us something.
this looks like xb360 game at 4K
what I think is “funny” is that I am sure that gears 5 will look better on xbsex via enhanced edition that halo infinite and will also run, just like halo infinite at 4K 60fps. Good gameplay, music and story can help But It will not save halo infinite From being a big disappointmen (this is based on people expectations for flagship ips).
Metroiddarks
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Agree.
Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 will be the most gorgeus games of XSX this holiday because 343 has cerebral embolism or something.
AeneaGames
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AeneaGames
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Also, let’s not try and spin things around with “their FUD” as an excuse because certain fanatical sects out there want to try and sow discord to the tiniest microcosm of the gaming community on the internet like their livelihood depends on it.
Pun intended!???
yewles1
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*looks at Alex's damage control* HELP!!! I can't see anymore, I rolled my eyes back too far this time from all the scoff, I need medical attention!Agree, is not like we don't think XSX is not able to deliver stunning graphics but they have a couple of problems for that:
-Xbox one generation is an anchor for any game of Xbox studios until end of 2022 at least Xbox break its promise.
-Gamepass is great for players but most of your games cannot take 5 years to be dev as your need to fill the catalog
so you have to reduce the ambition of your game or make as service. Of course this will not affect all the games but
will have an impact when the engagement care more than anything else just see how Fornite and Destiny just looks
good but not more.
So for now the studios of Xbox which looks are able to deliver that kind of experience or its games adapt to do that are:
-The Coalition which just release a game
-Playground Games probably Fable is a 2022 or later
-Turn 10 another 2022 title possible
-Initiative looks will be is new AAA studio
-Ninja Theory another 2022 or later
In theory should be also Obsidian but I need more than 5 sec of "in game" between CGIs to see if is true.
So looks like XSX generation start in 2022 not this year and also we need to see if lockhart is really going to match the CPU and SSD
of its big brother because if not the anchor will be just little lighter but will be still there.
343 well after of Halo 5 they need a big Halo but now after that demonstration and became a game as service the future doesn't looks good
for Halo.
Alex was just too tired to be nitpicky
Snowdonhoffen
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geordiemp
Member
Yeah medium went from interesting to dead ito me the first time I realised it was split screen.
I was excited it was like titanfall where you skip between worlds.
Split screen views are claustrophobic feeling when playing, no thanks.
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Rea
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Not to mention it looks like a glorified Ps1 resident evil gameplay.
FeiRR
Banned
If true, this is big and means a few things:
1. Sony aims for very fast adoption, which suggests low RRP
2. Much shorter console cycle or a mid-gen refresh
3. They are super confident, 120M in 5 years is more than PS2, the best selling console of all time
Chankoras
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Would be nice to check some of your samples in the photography thread.
DeltaPolarBear
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I suspect the estimate assumes PS5 eating into the Xbox customer base, because there isn't that many untapped sources of console gamers left.
FeiRR
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Console gaming isn't even 10% of all gamers in the world. There's a lot of room for expansion.
DeltaPolarBear
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The number of people willing to sit in front of a TV to play games is not as many as you think. Japan, for example, is the extreme example where the ability to play while on a moving train is a selling point. Next Gen consoles can't beat that.
Assuming consoles are kept where they currently are, which is the case for Playstation's strategy, then the main source of new gamers is those of their direct competitor. Most other gamers in the world are happy to play on their phones.
Killer Sakoman
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Don't be hyped. Wait and see. What you saw is a CGI trailer of a first person RPG concept. We don't even know if this is a single player or MMO.
Finem Orientis
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PS5 shipments may challenge 120-170 million units when its 5-year cycle expires
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20200727PD211.html
FeiRR
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One quarter of those 2.5 bn (and it's a growing number) are PC gamers so they don't play on mobile. I'm quoting publicly available data. What's your source?
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ThisIsMyDog
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A large part of the players outside the first world cannot afford consoles and games for it. They play mainly on smartphones, if at all, because these have become dirty cheap.
3liteDragon
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PS5 shipments may reach at least 120 million units in next 5 years - DigiTimes
Looks like Phison is Sony's SSD flash controller supplier.
I also found another article from DigiTimes from 3 days ago that talks about a 10-layer PCB (Printed Circuit Board) being used for the PS5.
Sounds like 3D stacking to me.
PS5 shipments may reach at least 120 million units in next 5 years
Sony's new-generation PS5 game console shipments are estimated to reach at least 120 million units in the next five years after launch in fourth-quarter 2020, roughly double those for Microsoft's Xbox series X, according to sources of its backend supply chain in Taiwan.
www.digitimes.com
Looks like Phison is Sony's SSD flash controller supplier.
I also found another article from DigiTimes from 3 days ago that talks about a 10-layer PCB (Printed Circuit Board) being used for the PS5.
Taiwan PCB makers to step up shipments for PS5 in late 3Q20
Taiwan's PCB makers in the supply chain of Sony's new-generation PS5 games console are expected to step up their shipments of rigid mainboards for the new device in the latter half of the third quarter, according to industry sources.
www.digitimes.com
Sounds like 3D stacking to me.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Wait so The Medium doesn't actually do any seamless transitions between worlds? You're playing in both worlds at the same time?
Jose92
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Well that just feels like a bait and switch
gullideckel
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Handy Fake
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Bait and split screen.
MastaKiiLA
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Console gamers might be a bit of a dying breed. There are generations of new gamers in Asia who are strictly mobile gamers, because a mobile phone is a must for personal communication, so using it for games is a natural next step. They consume all their media through their phones already, so why not games too? I don't really see the console market expanding, but plateauing in the not so distant future, if not already. I think adult gamers might constitute a much larger portion of the gaming community than it did when I was young. Like arcades, the writing might be on the wall, which is why we've seen outsiders like Amazon and Google take a stab at cloud gaming. They might anticipate that the days of the standalone console are drawing to a close, and they can tap into the ever-expanding phone gamer market via GaaS.
Killer Sakoman
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People do something called sex and make babies everyday. Those babies grow up and play Video games. Some of those babies that were made 12 -18 years ago are now called potential customers ( or new target Audience). Some of them will play on PC, some on mobile, some on Switch and some PlayStation. All of them saw Halo Infinate are decided not to buy XSX
BatSu
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ZywyPL
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How do they want to achieve that? 299$ for the digital-only model or what? The consoles were never selling that fast, even at a mere 399$, PS4 sold ~90M in its first 5 years, plus the world's economy is in terrible shape now, so how on earth do they want achieve such numbers in such short period of time?
user1337
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Agreed, the numbers seem way too high considering the situation we are all in.
kyliethicc
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The only way Sony could sell 120 million PS5s in 5 years is if they have:
1. a $400 price or even lower
2. lots of great games early and often
3. expand the console game market worldwide
4. cut the price ~ 2 years in
Idk... maybe they have some crazy upgrade plan they haven’t announced yet, like trade in your PS4 and get a PS5 at a discount? It seems impossible to sell more than 100m in less than 6 years. 120m in 5 years is 24m a year, that’s crazy high. Even selling 20m a year is very hard to do. I’m skeptical of that optimistic estimate.
1. a $400 price or even lower
2. lots of great games early and often
3. expand the console game market worldwide
4. cut the price ~ 2 years in
Idk... maybe they have some crazy upgrade plan they haven’t announced yet, like trade in your PS4 and get a PS5 at a discount? It seems impossible to sell more than 100m in less than 6 years. 120m in 5 years is 24m a year, that’s crazy high. Even selling 20m a year is very hard to do. I’m skeptical of that optimistic estimate.
Dodkrake
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