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Xsx and xss confirmed to be Wifi 5

CamHostage

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Agnostic2020 said:
The survey was not about WiFi 6. It was about how many users are using WiFi vs wired and for me it was weird that more than half just use WiFi and call it a day
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It's weird to me that people think so many homes have proper CAT5 wiring. Am I wrong, isn't it like not at all common?

I've never been to a regular-person's home where they have ethernet plugs in the walls. I know a few supergeeks who got professionally wired up when that was how you got internet into your house, but now it seems like most people I know are on WiFI, or they have the modem distribution box centralized in the house so they can wire to the main unit. Even a second cable modem is too much of a hassle for a lot of people. (You get ripped off by getting the modem on the devices list, or need to get a cablecard or whatever.) A good portion of people I know are renters too (in CA), so it's not like they're going to pay to get their apartment wired. I do know a few people who still have CAT5 cables running through the halls like a college dorm (the really fancy people have those conduit corners stapled into the walls,) or they have a cable strung up through a hole they drilled in the floor themselves, but I'm not sure I've ever come into a new friend's home and seen ethernet plugs at their desk or entertainment station.

I'm curious (if it's not too personal,) how do you have your house wired? I can't imagine not living with WiFi! There was a time I was desperate to get ethernet installed and was pricing around, but in the end I just never gamed online enough to justify it and eventually WiFi was good enough that the difference didn't matter.

Schmick said:
been using powerline adapters. they work amazingly well.
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That's good (I've been wanting to get some Powerline/WiFI hybrid devices to get the best of both solutions into rooms of my house,) but I don't know that this answers the wired/wireless debate... it's more of a side-road, I think? Powerline converts your power system into the wires for routing your internet signal throughout the house to client boxes, but it's not quite the same as direct-wiring. You've got an issue of interference/line noise, and then you're hoping the wires are all on the same circuit but that's unlikely and once the internet signal has to channel through a circuitbreaker you have problems (although it seems like there's ways around that to keep Powerlines effective?) I had a cheap Powerline 300 for a while and it was just fine, but eventually a new WiFi router came along and beat it so I never ended up upgrading.

(I foolishly "upgraded" to a WiFi Extender just a little while ago, and it has brought me zero joy, which seems common, so that's my advice there.)

By the way, I don't have any experience with it myself, but many people have recommended getting a MoCA device, which transfers Ethernet over Coax (which most homes/apartments do come wired up with F-connector coax.) Powerline is beautifully plug-and-play and often comes in bundles, while MoCA is more a mystery to me and seems to require some filters on the line, but it's really compelling in concept...

Powerline vs MoCA: Which alternative networking technology is the best?

Wi-Fi is great, except when it can’t reach where you need it to go. We measure the performance of two alternatives.
www.pcworld.com www.pcworld.com
 
Rolla

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FeiRR said:
WiFi 5 - up to 3.5 Gbps
WiFi 6 - up to 9.6 Gpbs
That's almost 300%. But the real benefit of WiFi 6 is the number of devices you can connect without having problems. In 5-6 years near the generation end this might be an important feature.
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This is a huge fucking deal? No?
 
dorkimoe

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WiFi 6 routers are extremely expensive right now. This isn’t a big deal. Most of you don’t have the internet speed or router anyway to make a diff
 
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THE DUCK

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LordOfChaos said:
15?? 802.11N came out in 2009, you're saying there's carrier modems that are still on G? Maybe, maybe in low speed developing markets where even a sub 20mbit (realistic after 54mbit rated) wifi connection does the job for the speed, but that would be a laughing stock almost everywhere, and they're probably not getting a PS5. Really depends on the carrier. The Home Hub 3000 that came with my Bell Fibe was beastly enough to almost utilize gigabit on wifi, that was pretty close to wifi AC's release iirc.
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OK so 15 might be stretching it, but do you really think once all the markets are saturated with AC after everything has been upgraded to gigabit, that they will go out and spend millions of dollars on Wifi 6 for a very tiny benefit to it's consumers? A lot of the most recent modem/router upgrades were only done as a result of the overall infrastructure upgrade. (Sasktel to Fiber Optic, Shaw to Fiber, etc)
 
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I use Wifi 6
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jimbojim

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Agnostic2020 said:
New informations from xbox website:


Xbox Series S | X has confirmed to be Wi-Fi 5 .
Weight 9.8 lbs. for Series X and 4.25 lbs for Series S

www.xbox.com

Xbox Series X | Xbox

Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.
www.xbox.com



For reference ps5 is WiFi 6
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And no USB-c on console ( both ). Damn, i had an intention to preorder XSX just because USB-c. So, because no USB-c on console, nothing then
 
LordOfChaos

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dvdvideo said:
OK so 15 might be stretching it, but do you really think once all the markets are saturated with AC after everything has been upgraded to gigabit, that they will go out and spend millions of dollars on Wifi 6 for a very tiny benefit to it's consumers? A lot of the most recent modem/router upgrades were only done as a result of the overall infrastructure upgrade. (Sasktel to Fiber Optic, Shaw to Fiber, etc)
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7 years is a long time man. If there was zero improvement offered on a premium ISP in that much time I'd have questions. Some even have a monthly subscription for Eero and other mesh routers, once those are all wifi 6 getting something like that would get it for you even if ISP combo boxes aren't. You may keep it for longer than 7, or the people who you pass it down to. Why NOT ask for the best, the difference is dollars, and they're going to round it to a retail friendly number anyways?

Besides all that, like I mentioned each generation comes with upgrades in mandatory processing power, the AX200 card in my laptop is by far better at keeping my AC routers signal than anything else in the house. At the very least, a newer standard ensures we get a newer wifi part.
 
TriSuit666

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mckmas8808 said:
It's a next-gen console so future proofing is good.
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It might shock you to learn some broadband users are at the mercy of their provider for the connection equipment, so might be waiting a fucking long time... :)

(Also, my PC already supports WiFi 6 and has a 5Gbps LAN controller. Yay me, I guess.)
 
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jshackles

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Rolla said:
This is a huge fucking deal? No?
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Don't believe the marketing hype. In reality it's

WiFi 5 - up to 3.5 Gbps (aggregated among all devices)
WiFi 6 - up to 9.6 Gpbs (aggregated among all devices)

WiFi 5 - up to 1.7 Gbps (under ideal conditions*)
WiFi 6 - up to 2.4 Gbps (under ideal conditions*)

Now in reality it actually looks like this:
WiFi 5 - up to 780 Mbps (real world conditions**)
WiFi 6 - up to 868 Mbps (real world conditions**)

* ideal conditions means having the device having a direct clear line of site to the router or access point with no obstructions and less than 3ft of distance between the two. Additionally, the client device would have a radio configuration that matches the router (ie. 4x4 MIMO connecting to 4x4 MIMO) and would not share the signal space with any other device that could cause interference.

** real world conditions assumes a typical mismatch in antenna configurations (2x2 MIMO device connecting to a 4x4 MIMO AP or router - this is very common) and a connection distance of 15 or more feet with multiple simultaneous clients.
 
Estocolmo

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laser_printer said:
I get that Wifi 6 is faster but who is honestly going to jump on a brand new router for faster speeds that may or may not even be beneficial to you on a personal level because most of the world doesn't even have internet fast enough to take advantage of it. I have 300/100 fiber connection and even plugged in directly PSN doesn't even take full advantage of that so what's the big deal exactly?
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Marketing?
 
mckmas8808

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jshackles said:
Don't believe the marketing hype. In reality it's

WiFi 5 - up to 3.5 Gbps (aggregated among all devices)
WiFi 6 - up to 9.6 Gpbs (aggregated among all devices)

WiFi 5 - up to 1.7 Gbps (under ideal conditions*)
WiFi 6 - up to 2.4 Gbps (under ideal conditions*)

Now in reality it actually looks like this:
WiFi 5 - up to 780 Mbps (real world conditions**)
WiFi 6 - up to 868 Mbps (real world conditions**)

* ideal conditions means having the device having a direct clear line of site to the router or access point with no obstructions and less than 3ft of distance between the two. Additionally, the client device would have a radio configuration that matches the router (ie. 4x4 MIMO connecting to 4x4 MIMO) and would not share the signal space with any other device that could cause interference.

** real world conditions assumes a typical mismatch in antenna configurations (2x2 MIMO device connecting to a 4x4 MIMO AP or router - this is very common) and a connection distance of 15 or more feet with multiple simultaneous clients.
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WiFi 6 is more than just about speed though. It's also about wifi efficiency.
 
CamHostage

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jshackles said:
Raise your hand if you have a router or access point capable of Wi-Fi 6
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Before everybody votes, just a quick note: if you have a new router and it is 802.11AX, you already have WiFI6; if it is 802.11AC, that is what's now called WiFi5.

That may not change the vote much, but just FYI...

dvdvideo said:
...do you really think once all the markets are saturated with AC after everything has been upgraded to gigabit, that they will go out and spend millions of dollars on Wifi 6 for a very tiny benefit to it's consumers? A lot of the most recent modem/router upgrades were only done as a result of the overall infrastructure upgrade.
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AC was a big deal and a lot of customers will be happy for a while just staying there, but with more and more WiFi devices being added to homes (even my grandmother has an Alexa and a smartplug for her nightlight,) AX/WiFi6 is the selling point to best accommodate the expansion of devices.

And lots of people have been wooed by the "Mesh Network" idea; it puts a strong signal source in every room of the house (conceivably), and it's this cute little knob device instead of some colossus central router with nine antenna jutting out of it like Stonehenge. (Unfortunately, Mesh Network providers didn't wait for AX and lots of them are just AC, but the new versions of Amazon Eero are 6s, the popular and less pricey TP-Link Deco are WiFi6, and we'll see if Google Nest routers add it into the next product cycle.) They're Alexa's little pal, and even if they're ultimately overkill (or as problematic as a WiFi Extender in houses with blockage,) the marketing has done a good job of making it clear why mesh makes life more comfortable...

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Your typical cable company will be slow to upgrade, as always, but I've just never seen a technology market say, "Nope, that's good enough, no need to sell new stuff to customers..." If it's not Comcast/Cox/Sonic/Spectrum forcing new stuff into your house (and they're interested in upselling you as many WiFi devices as they can, with security systems and TV adapters and thermostats and everything else they can "loan" out to customers since TV is a waning business,) it'll be the advertisements on TV and the perceived outdatedness of your phone that will eventually get the next thing into your home, one way or another, if you've got the family who demands
 
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onQ123

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I'll just drop this off here

https://www.techradar.com/news/wi-f...ting, Wi,than connecting via Gigabit Ethernet.

Wi-Fi 6 win where Ethernet falls short? The latest iteration of Wi-Fi connectivity has the ability to deliver faster speeds than Gigabit data transfer over wireless - presenting a huge advantage in the era of the smart home. When compared to WiFi 6, the standard Ethernet cables have - until now - provided the fastest form of Internet connectivity. For example, when you look at the theoretical top speed, Wi-Fi 6 reaches 9.6 Gbps (compared to Wi-Fi 5 which clocks in at 6.9 Gbps). In real world testing, Wi-Fi 6’s single stream speed has been raised to 1.2 Gbps - 20% faster than connecting via Gigabit Ethernet.
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thebigmanjosh

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Agnostic2020 said:
New informations from xbox website:


Xbox Series S | X has confirmed to be Wi-Fi 5 .
Weight 9.8 lbs. for Series X and 4.25 lbs for Series S

www.xbox.com

Xbox Series X | Xbox

Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.
www.xbox.com



For reference ps5 is WiFi 6
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Honestly, most homes probably don't have proper AC setups let alone WiFi 6, and for the range to even get those increased speeds you're better off plugging in an ethernet cable anyway.
 
Craig of War

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Unless your internet speed is 500 Mbps or more and you actually have a Wifi 6 router you won't even notice a difference between wifi 5 and wifi 6 and also always go wired it is still better than any wifi.
 
CAB_Life

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Powerline adapters are like $20 on Amazon and spare you any and all wifi hassles. Because you can usually plug them in right next to your console there’s minimal wiring too.
 
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SlimySnake

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Agnostic2020 said:
I m getting the feeling ps5 will be $599.

God help us 😂😂😔
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yeah, this is troubling. it seems MS made a lot of concessions to get to those prices and sony seems to be spending big on everything except for the thing that matters, tflops.

the xss has far too many concession imo with much lower ram and way fewer tflops, but even their premium product seems to have a lot of cost cutting. the controller is nearly identical, its still lacking a battery, the OS is identical, the SSD seems to be pretty standard, and now this wifi cost cutting decision. i guess thats the price you pay for 12 tflops.

or at least i hope so. otherwise the sony box is going to be super expensive like you said. i dont know if 20% in GPU savings gets them a better controller, way faster SSD and wifi 6.
 
Woffls

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Wifi5 is already in gigabit territory so good luck noticing with those PSN download speeds I guess?

Schmick said:
been using powerline adapters. they work amazingly well.
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Depends on your ac wiring - I had power line and got ~100ms additional latency; even wifi was better.

#EthernetAllTheThings
 
KiNeMz

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This only matter if PS5 is going to be transferring data around your house locally. Unless SpaceX internet becomes 10Gbps and free for all in 2 years. Its a nice to have, but even transferring data to your NAS or PC wouldnt hit these speeds.

But what it will do is improve Wifi performance where signal is not so great, through more denser environments and improve transfer rates through signal dense environments. But with all new standards are teething problems, so dont expect it to magical out of the gate.
 
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V4skunk said:
No ethernet cable is.

You had the cheap ass PS3.
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Wifi 6 is better than the 1G Ethernet in Xbox Series S/X


Besides the most obvious advantage of device mobility, where else does Wi-Fi 6 win where Ethernet falls short? The latest iteration of Wi-Fi connectivity has the ability to deliver faster speeds than Gigabit data transfer over wireless - presenting a huge advantage in the era of the smart home. When compared to WiFi 6, the standard Ethernet cables have - until now - provided the fastest form of Internet connectivity. For example, when you look at the theoretical top speed, Wi-Fi 6 reaches 9.6 Gbps (compared to Wi-Fi 5 which clocks in at 6.9 Gbps). In real world testing, Wi-Fi 6’s single stream speed has been raised to 1.2 Gbps - 20% faster than connecting via Gigabit Ethernet.
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www.techradar.com

Wi-Fi 6 vs Ethernet: who is taking the connectivity crown?

Finding which offers the best opportunities.
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com
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CrashNBurn_281

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Wired all the way. Reduced latency, reduced interference. No way I am dealing with wifi packet loss and higher ping.

That's aside, hmm. Xbox cheaped out in another area...interesting.
 
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LOLCats

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jshackles said:
Raise your hand if you have a router or access point capable of Wi-Fi 6

Now keep your hand up if you have any device in your home currently that can take advantage of it
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i have hands up

it makes no difference for internet connectivity
 
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Dnice1

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onQ123 said:
Wifi 6 is better than the 1G Ethernet in Xbox Series S/X




www.techradar.com

Wi-Fi 6 vs Ethernet: who is taking the connectivity crown?

Finding which offers the best opportunities.
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com
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Wifi 6 speeds seem to dramatically drop as distance increases. PCMag even had an AC router that was getting faster speeds when used with an wifi ac device.
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www.pcmag.com

How Fast Is Wi-Fi 6?

It's an 802.11ax versus 802.11ac speed showdown! We pit three Wi-Fi 6 routers against our top-performing Wi-Fi 5 router to see what you can gain by upgrading.
www.pcmag.com www.pcmag.com
 
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onQ123

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Dnice1 said:
Wifi 6 speeds seem to dramatically drop as distance increases. PCMag even had an AC router that was getting faster speeds when used with an wifi ac device.
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www.pcmag.com

How Fast Is Wi-Fi 6?

It's an 802.11ax versus 802.11ac speed showdown! We pit three Wi-Fi 6 routers against our top-performing Wi-Fi 5 router to see what you can gain by upgrading.
www.pcmag.com www.pcmag.com
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SMH that's when using it with a older router that isn't Wifi 6
 
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