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[iorek21]

Quero toda a praticidade, comodidade e beleza na minha sala de estar que só um console oferece, aliado a jogos de alta qualidade que vejo nos exclusivos da Sony que muito me interessam.

PC não é mais comigo. Abandonei.

Meu PC roda razoavelmente bem todos os jogos, mas desde que comecei a escrever minha dissertação de mestrado, to começando a pegar aversão de ficar no PC, então to preferindo jogar em console mesmo.

Talvez eu volte a empolgar quando acabar

 

[lock2k]

Meu PC roda razoavelmente bem todos os jogos, mas desde que comecei a escrever minha dissertação de mestrado, to começando a pegar aversão de ficar no PC, então to preferindo jogar em console mesmo.

Talvez eu volte a empolgar quando acabar

Eu costumo ter ciclos de ir pro PC depois volto pro console (desde 95 tem sido assim), então agora to numa fase de PC e 90% do que eu jogo é jogo de luta, então roda tudo quanto é jogo muito de boa. Até sair o Street Fighter 6 leva um tempo eu acho, então eu to de boa. Mas de repente mais pro meio do ciclo eu volto pra um console de novo kkkkkkkkkkkkk

 

[LaughingStock]

I was considering the digital only version. But the issue is digital games are too expensive. With physical media it's easier to find good deals and the prices drop eventually. And then there's the second hand market. The price gap isn't even significant between both versions. I'll buy the bul ray version when the time comes.

Quando surgir a vacina da Oxford creio que o povo vai sair pras ruas contra esse monstro sim.

Vai ser reeleito no primeiro turno. Sai dessa bolha menino.

 

[GAMETA]

Quero toda a praticidade, comodidade e beleza na minha sala de estar que só um console oferece, aliado a jogos de alta qualidade que vejo nos exclusivos da Sony que muito me interessam.

PC não é mais comigo. Abandonei.

Sei como é.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

Pra mim PC tá sendo uma ótima experiência. Isso tudo é relativo. Ninguém tá agindo como master race aqui, só pontuando inúmeras vantagens que o PC tem nesse mercado de merda chamado Brasil, só isso

O que me deixa indignado é o pessoal agindo como se a Sony fosse benevolente com os preços. Sabemos muito bem que se uma mágica acontecesse e amanhã o dólar fosse R$ 3, os preços iriam continuar sendo os mesmos, pois eles veem que é praticável. Os retailers sempre estão testando os limites dos brasileiros e essa porra sempre dá certo, então a gente tá fodido pra eternidade.

Entendo perfeitamente seu ponto de vista.

Tudo bem que existe o fator novidade, mas o fato de que um console como op róprio PS4 Pro, vendido oficialmente nos EUA por esse mesmo preço de 399, pode ser comprado por 3000, isso sem dúvidas é um indicio que tal valor também poderia ser mto bem uma realidade para o ps5 DE.

Eu aposto minhas fichas de que não será tão cedo nesse valor justamente pq o povo compra de qualquer jeito. Talvez se nos negassemos a comprar nesses valores, quem sabe assim mais rapidamente a Sony teria que fazer um reajuste de valores. Ocorre que a pré venda também esgotou no BR rapidamente, então não há motivos para diminuir mesmo o valor.

 

[Gp1]

I had a gaming store for almost 5 years. I believe I know at least a little about this market.

If you had a game store for 5 years you know that our games MSRP is more an agreement between all the parts involved than correct cost/accounting.

This became even more evident with the recent changes in our exchange rate, the last year changes in game taxes and how close are the prices when you compare physical vs. digital / console vs. pcs where the tax incidences are completely different, but the MSRP are exactly the same.

 

[lock2k]

If you had a game store for 5 years you know that our games MSRP is more an agreement between all the parts involved than correct cost/accounting.

This became even more evident with the recent changes in our exchange rate, the last year changes in game taxes and how close are the prices when you compare physical vs. digital / console vs. pcs where the tax incidences are completely different, but the MSRP are exactly the same.

I also know that I paid more for an Xbox 360 from the same distributor of Americanas and Americanas sold it to the public for less than the price I paid for it as a retailer. To the point where I stopped selling consoles altogether and I started selling games and accessories only and I told my customers to but their consoles at Americanas. I know all that stuff you said but we have a lot of hidden factors and bad faith involved. This country is a goldmine for companies. Since 2015 I've been working in the automotive industry and it's another scummy industry that makes its biggest profits of the world in Brazil. Lucro Brasil is real and it will always exist even of the exchange rate goes down because brasileiros = trouxas.

 

[lock2k]

Entendo perfeitamente seu ponto de vista.

Tudo bem que existe o fator novidade, mas o fato de que um console como op róprio PS4 Pro, vendido oficialmente nos EUA por esse mesmo preço de 399, pode ser comprado por 3000, isso sem dúvidas é um indicio que tal valor também poderia ser mto bem uma realidade para o ps5 DE.

Eu aposto minhas fichas de que não será tão cedo nesse valor justamente pq o povo compra de qualquer jeito. Talvez se nos negassemos a comprar nesses valores, quem sabe assim mais rapidamente a Sony teria que fazer um reajuste de valores. Ocorre que a pré venda também esgotou no BR rapidamente, então não há motivos para diminuir mesmo o valor.

Sim, concordo com os seus pontos totalmente!

 

[lock2k]

I was considering the digital only version. But the issue is digital games are too expensive. With physical media it's easier to find good deals and the prices drop eventually. And then there's the second hand market. The price gap isn't even significant between both versions. I'll buy the bul ray version when the time comes.



Vai ser reeleito no primeiro turno. Sai dessa bolha menino.

Porra, será que vai? Não conheço um fdp que goste dele. E olha que meu circulo é cheio de gente de direita que odeia ela kkkkkkkk

 

[Noblevoice]

I already pre-ordered my PS5.

It's one of the most friendly console launch in Brazil's history, taking into account price and official support.

I don't know why some people are complaining, last Nintendo consoles and handhelds had terrible prices and official support, and even PS4 launch was turbulent, with an official price of R$4.000,00 and resealed PS4s from Paraguay being sold in the gray market.

And most people that uses PC as an argument in Brazil generally doesn't have neither a current gen console nor a powerful enough PC to run new releases. Good luck building a PC for R$5.000,00 that will last for the next 7 years allowing you to play new releases in good enough configurations. Not even talking about exclusives.

i do have the current generation, i just no willing with R$70 adjust for the games, plus the console price

 

[Gp1]

I also know that I paid more for an Xbox 360 from the same distributor of Americanas and Americanas sold it to the public for less than the price I paid for it as a retailer. To the point where I stopped selling consoles altogether and I started selling games and accessories only and I told my customers to but their consoles at Americanas. I know all that stuff you said but we have a lot of hidden factors and bad faith involved. This country is a goldmine for companies. Since 2015 I've been working in the automotive industry and it's another scummy industry that makes its biggest profits of the world in Brazil. Lucro Brasil is real and it will always exist even of the exchange rate goes down because brasileiros = trouxas.

We are saying almost the same thing but that's why i said that it simply doesn't matter if the games are burned here or not. That ain't going to be passed to the end-consumer at all.

That's one of the reasons i don't go back to consoles. At least on PC you have a illusion that the market isn't as closed and monopolistic as it is on the consoles. And you have the supply/demand price correction that only piracy can give .

Meu PC roda razoavelmente bem todos os jogos, mas desde que comecei a escrever minha dissertação de mestrado, to começando a pegar aversão de ficar no PC, então to preferindo jogar em console mesmo.

Talvez eu volte a empolgar quando acabar

Por isso que eu tenho um notebook separado para trabalho e academia. rs

 

[Faithless83]

In the next two years, the price of these graphic cards will sink a lot since it won't be the best in the market anymore. It will probably play every next gen game until the end, like my 970 can for the current gen.

And there are the games. The PC game cost increased these last months but I very much doubt we will have something as good as Steam/GOG discounts or Epic Free games on consoles. Free online helps also.

I don't think this will be the case this gen. But we'll see after the ports start to roll out.

The RTX 3080 is R$5300. A RTX 3060 should be equivalent to next-gen consoles and will propably cost less than R$3000. With free online and cheaper game prices, PC gaming is definitely cheaper than getting a PS5 in Brazil. Maybe the PS5 ends up being cheaper if you get it in Paraguay though

Next gen is 3070 equivalent and people are underestimating how much difference the PS5 SSD will bring. Besides, it's not just the GPU, you'll still need motherboard, RAM, SSD and CPU.
Good luck expending less than R$6k total to match PS5/XSX.

 

[ethomaz]

Between PS5 and 14 Services Dishwashers I spent R$ 4499 + R$ 3476 today
It was basically the money I saved for PS5.

Wife is very happy after we lose few weeks ago a deal with the Eletrolux 14 Services Dishwashers at R$ 3199 because the credit card company thought it was a suspicious transaction lol when we contacted them to confirm it was a legit purchase the deal got sold out.

This time we got a deal with Brastemp 14 Services Dishwasher... a bit more costly but it was our first option... these products here costs around R$5000.

 

[lock2k]

Between PS5 and 14 Services Dishwashers I spent R$ 4499 + R$ 3476 today
It was basically the money I saved for PS5.

Wife is very happy after we lose few weeks ago a deal with the Eletrolux 14 Services Dishwashers at R$ 3199 because the credit card company thought it was a suspicious transaction lol when we contacted them to confirm it was a legit purchase the deal got sold out.

This time we got a deal with Brastemp 15 Services Dishwasher... a bit more costly but it was our first option... these products here costs around R$5000.

Funny that I'm about to buy a 14 services dishwasher as well because mine is broken as fuck after 8 years of continuous use. lol

 

[ZZZZ]

Even at that price the PS5 is sold out in Brasil Amazon....the thirst is real.

https://auxilio.caixa.gov.br/#/inicio

 

[nikolino840]

And how much Xbox series x/s?

 

[lock2k]

And how much Xbox series x/s?

They still haven't said.

 

[ZZZZ]

Pra mim PC tá sendo uma ótima experiência. Isso tudo é relativo. Ninguém tá agindo como master race aqui, só pontuando inúmeras vantagens que o PC tem nesse mercado de merda chamado Brasil, só isso

O que me deixa indignado é o pessoal agindo como se a Sony fosse benevolente com os preços. Sabemos muito bem que se uma mágica acontecesse e amanhã o dólar fosse R$ 3, os preços iriam continuar sendo os mesmos, pois eles veem que é praticável. Os retailers sempre estão testando os limites dos brasileiros e essa porra sempre dá certo, então a gente tá fodido pra eternidade.

Cyberpunk ta R$199,99 no PC enquanto Demons Souls Remake vai custar R$350,00.

Brasileiro gosta de um anal sem lubrificante, nao tem jeito.

 

[ethomaz]

Funny that I'm about to buy a 14 services dishwasher as well because mine is broken as fuck after 8 years of continuous use. lol

The price almost doubled compared with last year when we are building our home... we have a bit of regret to not have brought everything last year.... we could have used the credit cards in 10x or 12x to buy it instead we brought most of the things (Refrigerator, Air Conditioner, Cooker, couch, wardrobe, etc) all in 1x... and we said to each other to wait a bit more to buy the dishwashers and the robot vacuum cleaner but since early this year with COVID-9 the prices spiked due the dolar at R$5.

We could have tighten a little in the expenses and brought everything last year

 

[ZZZZ]

The price almost doubled compared with last year when we are building our home... we have a bit of regret to not have brought everything last year.... we could have used the credit cards in 10x or 12x to buy it instead we brought most of the things (Refrigerator, Air Conditioner, Cooker, couch, wardrobe, etc) all in 1x... and we said to each other to wait a bit more to buy the dishwashers and the robot vacuum cleaner but since early this year with COVID-9 the prices spiked due the dolar at R$5.

Is there a decent dishwasher out there? i tried 2 of them but they broke so fucking much i just gave up on it.

 

[Lokaum D+]

preço melhor que o esperado, considerando que o ps3 chegou aqui por quase 7k e o ps4 por 5k em uma época que o dolar estava abaixo dos RS2,50


better price than expected, considering that the ps3 arrived here for almost 7k ( almost 3k U$ ) and the ps4 for 5k ( 2k U$) at a time when the dollar was below RS2.50

 

[lock2k]

Is there a decent dishwasher out there? i tried 2 of them but they broke so fucking much i just gave up on it.

My mother in law has a Brastemp one that is 25years+ and it still works like a champ. I don't know about the ones made today. I'll have to try it out.

 

[ethomaz]

Is there a decent dishwasher out there? i tried 2 of them but they broke so fucking much i just gave up on it.

From what I did research there are 3 companies selling them here: Eletrolux, Brastemp and Philco.
Philco seems to be the worst... it very cheap too (you can find the 14 Services at R$2300).
Brastemp and Eletrolux are the best... some prefer the Eletrolux and others the Brastemp the feeling I have is that both are equal with some advantages and disadvantages for both sides.

The company have 2 Brastemp... while my wife's business partner has an Eletrolux 10 Services... she tells very good things about it when she comes home to dinner.
I lost the Eletrolux deal so I brought the Brastemp.

 

[Fake]

Cyberpunk ta R$199,99 no PC enquanto Demons Souls Remake vai custar R$350,00.

Brasileiro gosta de um anal sem lubrificante, nao tem jeito.

Preço no PC sempre foi diferente do console cara.

 

[ethomaz]

Preço no PC sempre foi diferente do console cara.

People needs to understand that PC related products (and that include gaming) have less tax from government than toys/gaming related products.

The government has tax incentive for PC business here and PC games enter in the PC software incentives.
Gaming machines and gaming software enters in toys category.

 

[ZZZZ]

People needs to understand that PC related products (and that include gaming) have less tax from government than toys/gaming related products.

The government has tax incentive for PC business here.

And the regional pricing as well, at least from the companies that actually give a fuck about their costumers.

 

[Belmonte]

Translation:

BRAZIL PLAYSTATION SALE:
Buy two and give one for the government in taxes.

* Conversion $1,00 = R$ 5,24

Brazil= R$ 4.999,00
USA= R$ 2.615,00

Edit: Not sure how much are taxes and how much is "custo Brasil". But it is a really stupid price either way.

 

[Faithless83]

Translation:

BRAZIL PLAYSTATION SALE:
Buy two and give one for the government in taxes.

* Conversion $1,00 = R$ 5,24

Brazil= R$ 4.999,00
USA= R$ 2.615,00

Edit: Not sure how much are taxes and how much is "custo Brasil". But it is a really stupid price either way.

People were hoping for it to be BRL5000 in grey market. We now have the price as the official version with warranty . "But it's not the same price as the US versions".

Were any of you truly expecting us to pay BRL2600 in it? Like seriously?
Let me save you some rage inducing shit, don't look at car prices in the US.

 

[Dane]

Só deve rolar isso se a Microsoft não montar o bicho aqui. Não é impossível, mas só seria algo estratégico se eles soltassem um "iremos lançar esse ano por R$5k, mas ano que vem será fabricado e terá desconto", mais ou menos como foi com o PS4

O Xbox One não é mais montado aqui faz tempo, PS4 mesma coisa, mas 5K é de fudê, MS aqui sempre foi mais amigavel, meu chute é 4k no XSX e uns 2,5k no XSS.

 

[Belmonte]

People were hoping for it to be BRL5000 in grey market. We now have the price as the official version with warranty . "But it's not the same price as the US versions".

Were any of you truly expecting us to pay BRL2600 in it? Like seriously?
Let me save you some rage inducing shit, don't look at car prices in the US.

I wager nobody here was expecting fair prices. We were expecting a ridiculous price tag and this is what we get.

We are disappointed not surprised.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Preço no PC sempre foi diferente do console cara.

PQP tinha esquecido que você era brasileiro também kkk REVELAÇÕES INTENSAS NESSE TÓPICO

Entendo perfeitamente seu ponto de vista.

Now you I had flat out no idea!

 

[LOLCats]

Can you read brazillian portuguese?

google does.

Land of the same bandit.

 

[Faithless83]

I wager nobody here was expecting fair prices. We were expecting a ridiculous price tag and this is what we get.

We are disappointed not surprised.

No, everyone expected an outrageous price, yet when we missed the mark on "The most expensive PS in the world" people complained anyway, like nobody saw it coming.

All things considered (import taxes, profit, logistics and so on), I don't think this is a bad price at all. People are freaking out about the games price tag, but did you know it will cost 80 euros in Europe? Everybody is screwed (not equally by any means, but they are).

"Bu...but phones" Different taxation, different sizes.

By the look of it, people were expecting PS4PRO prices (BRL3k) somehow.

Overall be glad that current government reduced the taxes slightly, it was supposed to be even worse.

 

[celsowmbr]

Trouxe meu ps4 de Miami um ano depois do lançamento (fat ainda mas com Batman). Mesmo se o dolar tivesse o que tava, não vou cometer mais esse erro. E ser um early adopter então, pior ainda.... Vou me recolher a minha insignificância e ficar jogando steam e ps4 e tá bom demais. Daqui uns 4 anos a gente vê

 

[baberunisei]

I was expecting the price situation to be way worse, in fact. This is the first time I haven't bought a console in the gray market. Already pre-ordered the digital edition on Amazon for 4049 BRL, plus one extra dualsense and a pulse headset. Given the uncertainty about the exchange rate, thought this was the best thing to do because, for me, there's no guarantee prices are going down from those 4049 BRL. In fact, I suspect they will rise because of the exchange rate situation.

I also got surprised by how well the pre-order process went, compared to the problems people in the USA are facing. It's a little cruel to say this, but there are some advantages in living in one of the countries with the highest levels of inequality in the world. In this case, less people trying to preorder

 

[Belmonte]

No, everyone expected an outrageous price, yet when we missed the mark on "The most expensive PS in the world" people complained anyway, like nobody saw it coming.

All things considered (import taxes, profit, logistics and so on), I don't think this is a bad price at all. People are freaking out about the games price tag, but did you know it will cost 80 euros in Europe? Everybody is screwed (not equally by any means, but they are).

"Bu...but phones" Different taxation, different sizes.

By the look of it, people were expecting PS4PRO prices (BRL3k) somehow.

Overall be glad that current government reduced the taxes slightly, it was supposed to be even worse.

You will have your fun playing your PS5. Let us have ours making fun of its retail price! Don't deny the God-Given Right of the ZUERA for your fellow Brazillians!

The Zueira should never end! It is the only thing we have my dude.

 

[Roni]

Our currency is worthless right now and Sony is betting people will still buy it in the long run... That's risky given just how much tougher life has become for the average person in the country.

 

[lock2k]

People were hoping for it to be BRL5000 in grey market. We now have the price as the official version with warranty . "But it's not the same price as the US versions".

Were any of you truly expecting us to pay BRL2600 in it? Like seriously?
Let me save you some rage inducing shit, don't look at car prices in the US.

I work in the auto industry and I don't buy new cars precisely because of that. Buying carro zero in Brazil is the stupidest thing a person can do (of course I can't say that in the open as my job depends on it). lol

The fact that a p.o.s. Land Rover is considered a luxury car here speaks volumes.

 

[Lionel Richie]

The Zueira should never end! It is the only thing we have my dude.

We also have this!

 

[xcalibersa]

Not as bad as Brazil. (hello fellow brics)

Paid $740 for my PS5 preorder. (All sold out in SA)

 

[Dargor]

Yeah, nope. I have many reasons to wait and the price actually reinforces all of them.

 

[Faithless83]

I was expecting the price situation to be way worse, in fact. This is the first time I haven't bought a console in the gray market. Already pre-ordered the digital edition on Amazon for 4049 BRL, plus one extra dualsense and a pulse headset. Given the uncertainty about the exchange rate, thought this was the best thing to do because, for me, there's no guarantee prices are going down from those 4049 BRL. In fact, I suspect they will rise because of the exchange rate situation.

I also got surprised by how well the pre-order process went, compared to the problems people in the USA are facing. It's a little cruel to say this, but there are some advantages in living in one of the countries with the highest levels of inequality in the world. In this case, less people trying to preorder

Someone that's actually listening to reason. I don't agree with the inequality part (and don't think this is the place to discuss this), but I see your point about it.

You will have your fun playing your PS5. Let us have ours making fun of its retail price! Don't deny the God-Given Right of the ZUERA for your fellow Brazillians!

The Zueira should never end! It is the only thing we have my dude.

Even though I can pay for the official one, I didn't bought it yet. I was currently organizing a trip to Paraguay with a couple of friends to grab one early next year. I'm betting that even with the trip costs we can still save at least BRL1k but the silly dream of having a console at launch for the first time is tempting. I blame Cyberpunk and Demon's Souls for this.

As for the "zueira", I constantly joke around in other threads. My problem is that people are unreasonably salty about a situation that was pretty much expected to be a LOT worse.

That said, the zueira is what makes things bearable for a lot of us, it should never end.

I work in the auto industry and I don't buy new cars precisely because of that. Buying carro zero in Brazil is the stupidest thing a person can do (of course I can't say that in the open as my job depends on it). lol

The fact that a p.o.s. Land Rover is considered a luxury car here speaks volumes.

I agree, but used cars are still not cheap at all around here. Divorce took my last car (women, right?) and I just use uber lately.

 

[MasterDerico]

(For non Brazilians, the guy got ps5 digital and 2 disc games lmao)

 

[lock2k]

(For non Brazilians, the guy got ps5 digital and 2 disc games lmao)

 

[iorek21]

(For non Brazilians, the guy got ps5 digital and 2 disc games lmao)

 

[Komatsu]

In many ways the industry in Brazil has regressed to where it was in the 80s, prior to Tec Toy and Gradiente rep'ing SEGA and Nintendo, respectively. When I lived in Brazil as a kid, I actually mailed a 32x to my cousins in Boston as it was frankly easier to get it and, if memory serves me well, it came out a bit earlier as well. The Brazilian edition of Knuckles Chaotix also came in a sturdier box.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

Para quem já adquiriu o seu, seria interessante se todos compartilhássemos a data prevista para a entrega.

Adquiri o meu na MagazineLuiza e a data prevista para a entrega é 30 de novembro.

Sei que as empresas daqui tem essa prática de extender o prazo previsto para entrega até para evitar transtornos judiciais, mas em se tratando de um lançamento como esse, não estou muito confiante de que entregarão no dia 19 mesmo.

 

[shenmue mugen]

já fiz minha preorder da edição standard.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

já fiz minha preorder da edição standard.

Fez onde?
Qual a previsão de entrega da loja?

 

[iorek21]

Para quem já adquiriu o seu, seria interessante se todos compartilhássemos a data prevista para a entrega.

Adquiri o meu na MagazineLuiza e a data prevista para a entrega é 30 de novembro.

Sei que as empresas daqui tem essa prática de extender o prazo previsto para entrega até para evitar transtornos judiciais, mas em se tratando de um lançamento como esse, não estou muito confiante de que entregarão no dia 19 mesmo.

Comprei na Amazon, o prazo aqui consta dia 23-27, pro Demons Souls tb

Mas duvido, a Amazon sempre entrega perto do lançamento, devem ter botado uma data acima pra evitar choradeira