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[Craig of War]

PS5 Is Not Being Held Back, PS4 Is Too Successful to Ignore

PS4 success has PS5 early adopters feeling burned by PlayStation and cross-generation exclusive video games, but it only helps PS5 early adopters.

www.dualshockers.com

"Since the PS5 Showcase aired, the PlayStation nation has been acting out. Upset over what’s being described as deceptive marketing and outright lies on Sony’s part, the PlayStation faithful took to social media to voice their concerns. With the news of games like Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales and Horizon Forbidden West also making their way to to the PS4, vocal PS5 early adopters are upset claiming that first-party exclusives are being held back on the new PS5 as development for both titles was completed with 7-year-old PS4 hardware as the baseline.

"This is not the first time that video games cross generations though, so why all the rage? Many are citing a specific interview in which PlayStation boss Jim Ryan lays claimed to believe in “generations.” Alluding to the idea that jumping from PS3 to PS4 and now PS5, the experience and games should be unique and built primarily for such hardware and its feature set.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[killatopak]

TL;DR

Sony wants you to give them money in order to make it worthwhile to invest in actual PS5 exclusives. You give them money via cross gen exclusive sales.

Not saying I don‘t agree with that but they straight up lied. Man fuck these corporations.

 

[Thabass]

Surely there is no bias in an article about PlayStation from a site name Dualshockers.

 

[killatopak]

Surely there is no bias in an article about PlayStation from a site name Dualshockers.

Maybe there is some but in that same article is a tweet from them trashing and clowning Sony about the quote We believe in generations.

 

[OnThePathToWisdom]

Should say "Sure, Jim" instead.

 

[lachesis]

Surely there is no bias in an article about PlayStation from a site name Dualshockers.

Some one ought to have to put some sense in them... like two times.

As much as I like my PS4 pro, but what they said and being done are quite different.

 

[Panajev2001a]

PS5 Is Not Being Held Back, PS4 Is Too Successful to Ignore

PS4 success has PS5 early adopters feeling burned by PlayStation and cross-generation exclusive video games, but it only helps PS5 early adopters.

www.dualshockers.com

"Since the PS5 Showcase aired, the PlayStation nation has been acting out. Upset over what’s being described as deceptive marketing and outright lies on Sony’s part, the PlayStation faithful took to social media to voice their concerns. With the news of games like Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales and Horizon Forbidden West also making their way to to the PS4, vocal PS5 early adopters are upset claiming that first-party exclusives are being held back on the new PS5 as development for both titles was completed with 7-year-old PS4 hardware as the baseline.

"This is not the first time that video games cross generations though, so why all the rage? Many are citing a specific interview in which PlayStation boss Jim Ryan lays claimed to believe in “generations.” Alluding to the idea that jumping from PS3 to PS4 and now PS5, the experience and games should be unique and built primarily for such hardware and its feature set.

Dualshockers please... shut up... for a bit. We can talk about this more, but not now. At this point wait for images of the games to come out and let’s hope there are some launch window Hanes that are truly PS5 only targeted games.

 

[GymWolf]

Oste com'è il vino?

 

[EverydayBeast]

Making the jump to PS5 from 4 will be easy

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

"It's not you, it's me."

 

[Nikana]

It all depends how you approach the ports and like Microsoft it seems they are not getting separate teams to handle the ports. This isn't a like Tomb Raider or Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal where completely different teams are trying to adapt the game to work on lesser hardware.

If you aren't approaching it this way then the game is most certainly "held back."

The issue here is now in hindsight people are now trying to look at Ryan's words and somehow extrapolate that "well what he really meant was...."

The guy said something they very clearly indicated that games like SMMM and HFW were ps5 games only and he said that statement because the competition was saying the exact opposite of how they would approach next gen and a lot of people were taking that as a negative.

This backtracking of trying to now interpret what he said as not lying is pure spin, another tactic used for PR.

Them making games cross platform makes total sense in terms of dollars and cents. I don't fault them for a minute, but Ryan tried to sell it as if they wouldn't do that.

 

[Allandor]

Surely there is no bias in an article about PlayStation from a site name Dualshockers.

Didn't they write an article how xb1 will hold back xbsx?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Oste com'è il vino?

Would we care if instead of the wine he gave us water? What would we say? What would we do?

 

[skneogaf]

110 million ps4 consoles/customers

 

[GymWolf]

Would we care if instead of the wine he gave us water? What would we say? What would we do?

He will still say that the water is good, better than wine even, in the end, he still has to sell you something.

 

[Antwix]

Didn't they write an article how xb1 will hold back xbsx?

"Xbox one gonna hold back next gen!!!"
Xbox badddddddd
"PS4 too successful to ignore. PS5 wont be held back!!"
Sony gooooodddd

 

[Lethal01]

Having to be Cross Gen will definitely hold back games, even if only a little.
They may not be as Xbox which will have every first party game in the next year or two be crossgen but they are still held back.

 

[Ataraxia]

How is this different from any other generation? Haven't developers always continued to make games for the older console well past the next gen's console release?

 

[Lethal01]

Making the jump to PS5 from 4 will be easy

It would be easier if they didn't stop you from using your old controller for no reason aside from making spend more money.

 

[FunkMiller]

Utter balls. And I say this as a PlayStation fan.

 

[GHG]

Very pro consumer.

 

[NEbeast]

Its a little disappointing, I'd love to see a quote of jim Ryan saying that games were going to be purely next gen. All people have posted are links to him saying next gen features, and we know MM and HFW are going to have RT, massively improved load times, taking advantage of the Duelsense and 3d audio. Those are all next gen features.

 

[JLB]

Sure, Dualshockers.

 

[megreotsugua]

How is this different from any other generation? Haven't developers always continued to make games for the older console well past the next gen's console release?

The decision to cross-gen is fine. It makes sense especially if the games started being developed on PS4 and it would take a year or two of delay to make it next-gen only. I'm sure they have a lot of games in development that are next-gen.

They should have just been upfront about it. And the article is wrong. It'll be definitely held back. That doesn't mean the game will look bad, but there will be game decisions that are made due to PS4 limitations.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

I legit bought a Pro(even though I had a vanilla PS4) and a 4k Tv when Horizon came out because I wanted it in the best format. Even if they support PS4s for a while, if the PS5 versions look and perform better early adopters will still jump in. As the gap in performance increases, so will the allure of next gen for everybody else.

 

[danielJackson]

TL;DR

Sony wants you to give them money in order to make it worthwhile to invest in actual PS5 exclusives. You give them money via cross gen exclusive sales.

Not saying I don‘t agree with that but they straight up lied. Man fuck these corporations.

We had ps3<->ps4 games last time too, like gta 5, black flag and so on.

If they said "0% of ps5 games are cross gen", then they lied.

Otherwise this is just childish rage, few cross gen titles means nothing.

If it would be "all our exclusives come to os4 for 2 years", then I would join the rage

 

[MrS]

110 million ps4 consoles/customers

Not really. That's PS4 unit sales. How many million bought OG PS4 then a Pro?

 

[N30RYU]

The problem isn't thay they come to PS4... the problem is that if you make a game compatible with ps4 you aren't really taking advantage of the ps5 ssd...


You can downgrade graphical effects, lower the resolution, limit fps... but not the way the game load it's assets.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Definitely an unbiased, informative piece from a publication named after the controller of a PlayStation console.

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

wait a second, wasn't everyone and their mother on GAF crying about Microsoft going cross gen?
Now Sony doing it too. Funny how everything comes together.
What Goes Around... Comes Around, doesn't it?

 

[The_Mike]

I love non biased sources.

Also, interesting that xbox One is holding Series X back, but the same is not for PlayStation. According to one of the biggest PlayStation sites.

 

[Bryank75]

PS5 launch is about to dwarf PS4's, there is no real reason to do this type of stuff.... especially since PS4 just had a great year full of games.

The only thing I can think of is, maybe they feel a bit guilty at not having enough PS5's for everyone before christmas and this is the best they can do. But that is me being super generous to them.

The mixed messaging will hurt, just as they have mixed messaging on exclusives now..... just be straight, try and keep exclusives....fully exclusive and not some bullshit multiplatform with a 'but'. (if you get what I mean)

 

[SlicedBread3]

How is this different from any other generation? Haven't developers always continued to make games for the older console well past the next gen's console release?

The difference is we've never seen first party studios do it to this extent before. Since normally they want to motivate people to move over to the new console. (Third party studios don't have as much of a reason to care, so it's never surprising when they make cross gen games)

 

[UnNamed]

Oste com'è il vino?

 

[CrysisFreak]

Tbf when the Miles gameplay was shown I did not think to myself "this looks so cross-gen lmao".
Thankfully Demon's Souls and Ratchet are not cross-gen.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Come to think of it but its pretty big that PS4 is still getting megatons like Spiderman MM and especially Horizon 2. Everyone thought GoT and TLOU2 were the swan songs but here we are.

PS4 might hit 150 million after all. The console isn't going anywhere yet, and I wouldn't rule out another revision.

 

[Keihart]

Has there ever being another gen where WWS pumps out cross gen games? i think this is a first one. I think everybody expects first parties to be the ones heading the march towards every new gen so when they are wishy washy about it, you can't blame third parties for not taking advantage nor people not wanting to upgrade.

 

[Humdinger]

It made no sense to believe that games developed years before the PS5 even existed would be developed only for the PS5. It made no sense to believe that PS5 would not have cross-gen exclusives. All previous console generations have had cross-gen exclusives for the first couple years. These games are too expensive and take too long to develop, for it to be otherwise. It made no sense to believe that Sony would leave all that money on the table.

Sony fanboys made an unrealistic, global assumption (that no PS5 exclusives would appear on PS4) based on a vague statement by Ryan, combined with the journalist's headline. Ryan and the journalist share some of the blame. Ryan could've been clearer, and the journalist could have checked his assumption rather than just printing it as a headline.

But the Sony fanboys share some of the blame, too, because instead of exercising a little critical thinking, they grabbed this assumption and ran headlong with it into the console wars, waving the banner of "PS5 games will be PS5-only." Even though Ryan never said that.

So why the lapse in critical thinking? Well, the answer is easy. Because it felt good. Because it scored Sony fanboys points in the console war. Because it was what they wanted to believe.

So they got burned. That's what happens when we make unrealistic assumptions. It's silly to blame mean ol' lyin' Jim Ryan, because the Sony fanboys are just as culpable. They made a global assumption based on a vague statement, they spread it like wildfire rather than exercising a little criticical thinking.

I say this as somewhat of a Sony fanboy myself. Early on, I said several times that most PS5 games would be cross gen for a couple years. I was told that no, Sony has confirmed that they'll all be exclusive to PS5. That didn't make much sense (given the massive install base of PS4, the costs of these games, and the fact that many, like Horizon, had been in development long before the PS5 existed). But everyone seemed so sure, so I just nodded my head and went along with it. I didn't check the sources either.

Oh well. You know what they say about making assumptions.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Halo Infinite's true potential is being held back due to X-Box One (X). If we think that this isn't the case with Horizon 2 and PS4, we're nothing less than total hypocrites.

 

[M1chl]

HOLY SHIT:

 

[Great Hair]

Not really. That's PS4 unit sales. How many million bought OG PS4 then a Pro?

Probably way less, comparatively with the poor suckers who had to buy multiple 360s. Not dis schittu egen!

 

[SlicedBread3]

It made no sense to believe that games developed years before the PS5 even existed would be developed only for the PS5. It made no sense to believe that PS5 would not have cross-gen exclusives. All previous console generations have had cross-gen exclusives for the first couple years.

Besides LBP3 I have a hard time thinking of any other examples from Sony. (Resogun I think got ported to PS3 if that counts)

Nintendo had BOTW but that was announced as a WiiU game first and the Switch was never hyped as being a generational leap power wise over it. So doesn't really feel comparable. Same with Twilight Princess.

Which past first party exclusives are you thinking of?

 

[Humdinger]

Besides LBP3 I have a hard time thinking of any other examples from Sony. (Resogun I think got ported to PS3 if that counts)

Which past first party exclusives are you thinking of?

I had to remind myself what the PS4 launch titles even were. It's been a while. Here's the list:

Flower
Killzone Shadow Fall
Knack
Resogun
Sound Shapes
Escape Plan
Flow

Pretty anemic. I guess Resogun was cross-gen, and of course Flow and Flower are cross-gen ports. Killzone and Knack were only on PS4. I don't know about Sound Shapes and Escape Plan, but they sound like indies that could've easily appeared on PS3 as well. So, kind of a mix.

I think the transition from PS3 to PS4 was a little different, too, because of the weird Cell architecture vs. the standard PS4 structure. It's not so easy to build two versions, with those choices. It would take more work, compared to PS4 and 5.

 

[Derktron]

Now it’s too popular to ignore when Sony said themselves that they believe in console generations and that what Xbox is doing isn’t what they believe in yet we have Sony backtracking their statements and are now being 3 major PS5 games to the PS4 in the coming years. I just wish Sony was upfront about this.

 

[tillbot8]

 

[Panajev2001a]

He will still say that the water is good, better than wine even, in the end, he still has to sell you something.

I thought the option not to pay him was also available.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I am not sure I got it then when he did not burst into song like I expected .

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Yea no shit, everyone with a brain knows they are gonna be held back. Just look at the DMC5 port, the first thing they said is we can increase the enemy count now that we don't have to worry about the last gen versions. That is a simple port to next gen and the first thing they did was point out a limitation the last gen consoles had on the game.

With how big and detailed the enemies are in Horizon you can bet your ass the enemy counts in that game are gonna be limited by the PS4 version.

 

[Razvedka]

Yeah I don't believe that for a single second. Miles Morales was probably going to be slightly constrained given it was building off of a pre-existing PS4 game. But Forbidden West... No matter how good that game looks, it will still not be at the quality that a made for PS5 title would be. Guerilla Games are technical wizards and it will certainly help, but I just don't see how you can support a 7 year old machine and then a brand new one and say 'the game was not held back due to the inclusion of this older piece of hardware'.