FranXico
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Calm down, Jon.
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xacto
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You could also say "goodbye", usually this approach doesn't last long.
kyliethicc
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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I searched for other IGN tweets after I was told they run on copy/paste. Hoffen was correct and this points out to some kind of paid rotating advertising.
I have no doubt that they are running these kind of ads for sony, microsoft, or whoever else pays them to do so. Thats their point of existence.
zaitsu
Banned
I did that with XOX. Ive just come to thinking that Im not rich enough to burn money by having setup like this.
kyliethicc
Member
I'm calling it now God of War will be delayed and release March 2022. But I hope I'm wrong.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
One X was much better than the Pro so there was nothing wrong with that. Series X isn't so much better than the PS5 that this is anything but a silly decision.
kyliethicc
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The important factor is games.
Buying an XSX for 3rd party game over a PS5, despite the PS5 exclusives,, would only make sense if the PS5 was far far less powerful... like the Sbox is.
But thats not the case.
B_Boss
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I definitely did not fall asleep lol. I think Cerny explains quite well the heating issues in the presentation. You really should at least check that portion of it since you seem quite concerned and almost presumptuous about the PS5’s heating and cooling.
I have absolutely no idea why the teardown hasn’t been shown nor do I know why the actual console hasn’t been shown and powered on, etc, if that’s the case anyway. There could be many, many reasons. Speculation aside, we just don’t know.
Well I was curious as to your repeatedly calling him a PS fanboy and it’s relevance to his content. I also mean this in a non-sarcastic way.
What do I mean by “trusted”? I’d say trusting his reporting/discussing of any facts or scientific/technical data and analysis not being inaccurate due to his gaming choices and preferences. My words in no way meant or implied “trust blindly” and there is a time and place for critical thought and analysis for sure.
In gaming, critical thought and analysis isn’t necessary all the time. Context is key I think and If, for example, someone tells me that the Legend of Zelda is their first gaming love, I don’t see the need to be critical of that as I’m sure you understand.
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Games Bookstore
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My point being is you wouldn't buy a 1080p blu-ray disc only for 2 years later expect a free upgrade to UHD Bluray disc with directors cut, additional developers commentary, deleted scenes etc. just because you decided to buy a new UHD Bluray player.
If a company gives it to you for free that should be seen as a bonus, not an expectation, hence my comment about entitlement.
BGs
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You could say that currently you can squeeze more to PS5. And you can work at a lower level if you want. That helps balance the starting scale. The difference in performance will depend on the work, time and budget invested. I cannot and do not have the ability to give an exact figure. Equally theoretical data is not lived. In practice the difference would be less than this ... (Preview video image example only)Let's ask sir @HeisenbergFX4 andBGs .
What I do know is that the layer has to be thick in order for it to work for both PC and Xbox. They are basically treating Xbox as PC now.
Visual difference that you could practically eliminate by altering the filters of your TV.
In practical performance it depends on the effort invested. Both could reach the same rate of french per second*. But obviously a work is needed behind, the difference of the complaints depends on the base machine with which you have started to work. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
*French per second = frames per second. (I was going to edit it but I was quite amused by the Google auto-corrector error).
I think I've been around the bush ...
In summary, you will see the palpable differences in the exclusives, there yes, the difference could be something more evident such as TLOU2 on PS4 compared to the best of X1. In this regard I would not bet against PS5. It is a more human than mechanical factor.
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B_Boss
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The article has some interesting bits such as this:
Some of the same sentiment as yourself
. If it’s damage control I don’t see how it’ll help in light of the thinking you (and the article) have presented here but you could be on the money.
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Mr Moose
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I do sometimes lol and don't have Netflix, no one to chill with. 98% of my games (non-PS+) are physical, fuck the all digital future *shakes fist like an old man*
Vae_Victis
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Also, I want to pick what I watch/play, rather than throw money at service and eat up whatever I'm fed. It's the very concept that I absolutely hate, over time a lot of people become complacent, lose curiosity and start consuming media just out of habit, even if it does nothing for them other than keeping their mind busy on something. It's like TV, 95% of the time you don't watch it because you genuinely like it, but because "that's what is on". I don't want to treat entertainment like fast food, where the whole strategy relies on offering the lowest price of entry for a quality that is conciously being kept just high enough to be considered acceptable.
The only subscription service of any kind I have is PS Plus, mainly because I want to be able to play online on PS4, and over the course of a year there usually are at least 2-3 games I was interested in to begin with, so I don't feel completely ripped off.
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Snowdonhoffen
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I think GOW could be used as the title that makes people go "Wow, this IS next gen" and convince them to buy PS5. The potential is there, wether or not Sony is planning to do it... that's another story, but I'm sure that's what everyone is expecting, maybe even the more casual gamers interested in the franchise.
Md Ray
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Really? Got any examples of his fanboyism?
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T-Cake
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I'm kind of in the same boat but if it means I'm eating beans on toast throughout 2021, I'll still get both consoles.
Lethal01
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See I agree Sony fucked up majorly by flat out lying about Horizon Zero Dawn. However,you can't really discuss anything if you just answer to Demon's Souls with "SONY COULD BE LYING". I understand where you are coming from but I could say the same thing about the Xbox games and then we would go nowhere.
Right now currently Sony has shown more games they say are next gen exclusives, I'm not purely about their big first part games.
But even without that in mind where did you hear that Microsoft has more Exclusives shown than Sony? Mind throwing together a list because I'm not seeing the numbers add up here.
If this ends up being true then that's great.
Although, I do have to mention putting out a name and a CGI Trailer for Next Gen Exclusives that are coming "eventually" doesn't seem as big as Sony announcing a several Next Gen Exclusives coming in the next year. Since they've shown something coming soon there is a lot less need to reveal things coming in 3~4 years right now.
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lepermessiah
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Mr Moose
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Add cheese and you've got yourself a delicious mealI'm kind of in the same boat but if it means I'm eating beans on toast throughout 2021, I'll still get both consoles.
Lethal01
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Agreed, it will definitely be held back.
I'm just hoping that the upgrades to the PS5 version still end up being very impressive.
Seeing Cross-Gen games that looking amazing on the new consoles compared to the old one would get me more excited for Xbox games as well
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IllegalLemon
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Remember. There are still many events Sony could attend to showcase even more games on PS5. There's the Eurogamer Expo and Tokyo Game Show(TGS) all in the same month and then there's Paris Games Week in late October which I'm sure Sony will attend this year as it's set nearly 3 weeks before the PS5 launches and they can do a massive blowout there to promote the console. God Of War can be shown there much like they did with Ghost Of Tsushima in the same event nearly 3 years ago. Sony has loads of opportunities.
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Deleted member 775630
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Good for you, but let's not pretend that this is the opinion of the general public. Most people eat this stuff up with no problem at all. Hence the XSS and Game Pass won't have trouble getting traction.
Md Ray
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Where is this from?
Gediminas
Banned
don't widen the goal post. i am in gaming, not in movie or music. and no, i don't subscribe to those services. those services are on the same value as torrent.
Gediminas
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don't pretend like xbox games looking good and you need next gen PC rig. that next gen Halo Infinite could run even mobile.
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Deleted member 775630
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Thing is you are saying that you want to own games. Sure, YOU want to own your games. Just like other people want to own their movies and music. Point I'm making is that most people don't care, which is why Spotify and Netflix do so well, and which is why Game Pass can also be a success. PSNow too, btw.
Mahavastu
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But in the end he does not discuss secrets protected by an NDA but rather explains what Cerny said with different words.
lepermessiah
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Matt seems to be saying that thiccer and faster caches will essentially mitigate any small flops delta. I don't need to waste extra fuel on trips back home for each parcel when I can take em all and drop them off in one trip.
geordiemp
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Bumped into this a while back, some interesting stuff, maybe related to how the PS5 APU functions. Can’t seem to find the orignal tweet, he may have deleted it.
Its getting into the feeding of CUs efficeintly and fast can make more of a difference than having more hungry CUs.
He is getting into ps5 architecture benefits. Everyone doubts Cerny fast Caches and fast CUs approach, never doubt him when he is smiling......
The games will show whats up. CUs are like
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BlueXImpulse
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THE:MILKMAN
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demigod
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People should really stop blaming Jim Ryan for cross gen. Yeah it sucks that he had to lie to us, but he was put in this position. How about blaming Kodera instead? How the hell did they not have a next gen only launch title ready? Kaz Hirai would’ve gotten this act together.
megreotsugua
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John definitely leans more towards Playstation, but he is not a fanboy. I am a ps fanboy, he is not.
Richard is an xbox guy, but he is not a fanboy either. Alex is a fucking douchebag.
Snowdonhoffen
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Well, I've seen people like AngryJoe saying he's just buying the console just to review it, so there must be people that are just getting the XSX just to have one.
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This is all beside your point but your comment was spot on because there is something wrong with that video. The Xbox side of that video is crushing blacks and missing shadow detail so it must not be matching the color range with whatever recorded the video.
It's one of those weird settings where it's wrong but a large portion of the population still prefer how it looks due to the increased contrast at the cost of detail. The PS4 Pro could have had mostly the same look if they switched its color range from RGB Full to limited.
Mahavastu
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No, its just the lighting !!I have a PS4 and a PS4 pro and I generally love Sony because of the great ps exclusives, but man the PS5 is one ugly motherfucker !
PSX
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HDMI 2.1 isn’t necessary for PS5, says Sony product manager
Sony's new projectors don't have HDMI 2.1, but is that really a problem?
Nickolaidas
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It's PushSquare. Reading this was like reading PureXbox back when Infinite showed its outdated visuals and just ok gameplay in the trailer. They're trying to make us believe that Horizon 2 will take full advantage of the PS5 (which is utter horseshit) in order to help Sony ensure sales.The article has some interesting bits such as this:
Some of the same sentiment as yourself
I have no idea how X Series X games are going to look because I haven't seen a single next-gen only X Series X game yet. Halo Infinite is cross-gen and made by a dev team which obviously has issues with its development. Its hardly an objective measure of the console's potential and people who think all next-gen X Series X games are going to look like Halo Infinite are Sony fanboys fooling themselves.
Physiognomonics
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John is very slightly biased towards Xbox (because of his Sega roots), but usually very neutral and is actively avoiding any fanboy arguments. Richard is one of the biggest Xbox fanboy on the planet (but he hides it very well), And Alex is the usual PC fanboy (so by default leaning towards Xbox and anti-Sony consoles) and he can't hide his bias, yet, but he will learn to do it if he wants to replace Richard at DF.
I really hope John would replace Richard at the helm but I'd be very surprised if it happens.
sircaw
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Gediminas
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i am sorry, but official xbox statement was that Halo was build up from ground up to series x. you can not spin it however you want.
THE:MILKMAN
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Sure he can't be blamed for everything but I do think with Kodera suddenly wanting to return to his previous role (couldn't take the pressure?) they needed a quick replacement that had experience willing to jump in and Jim fit that at short notice. I'm guessing he thought his opportunity to be at the top had gone and so he has taken the bull by the horns.
Problem (for me) with this is it comes across has Jim is running the show singlehandedly. There doesn't appear to be a Sony PR/exec team like there was with House/Shu/Boyes etc even if there is behind the scenes. Jim is an old school exec. Will be an interesting aside to keep an eye on.
thurnishaleygw
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I think, when talking about subscription models and their value and so on, we're leaving out a major factor that could cause them to eventually implode.
I will take Spotify as an example, since, as some of you might know, I stated it a couple of times, I work within the music industry as a mixing/sound engineer/producer and it's something I have some kind of direct knowledge of, by working with artists affected.
The money the creators/artists make out of these subscription models is absolutely ridiculous, Spotify pays between $0.00331 and $0.00437 per stream, and if I remember correctly, 70% of that goes to the publisher, which usually is not the artist itself. So, this begs the question: even if successful in the eyes of the general public, for how long is it sustainable for artists before they realize other ways to share their music/content that works better for them when it comes to monetization? Sure, consumers won't care about this fact, but artists got to make a living, and while right now a lot of them rely on making it on the road, well, 2020 had a surprise for them all. I know quite a lot of bands struggling right now, trying their luck by doing live-streamed concerts with fairly low priced "tickets" and guess what? That's working quite well for some of them. They take a higher cut of the pie, and they're starting to reconsider their usual business model.
Now, obviously this might not be something that affects big artists that are supported by huge record company deals, but those kind of artists are an absolute minority in the industry. I can assure you that, a lot of artists/bands that you might think are big and have a big deal going on with some record company, they probably are not in that situation. And again, given that 2020 has left them without their number one source of income, they're looking for other strategies and realizing that a more direct approach, cutting out the middleman as much as they can, it's working for them.
I'm not saying with this that Spotify or services like that will disappear, that would be disingenuous, but surely artists are going to find ways to bypass them and offer more compelling content to the consumer in another manner that creates a win-win situation for both parties, leading to something I feel would be better and more fair to both artist and consumer.
To extrapolate this to the Gamepass/PSNow situation, first of all I gotta admit that I don't know how much publishers and devs get back from being on those services, but going by what I know with Spotify, it's very likely not enough. So yeah, I guess the deal upfront may seem positive, the reach you potentially have is bigger than what you could have by simply publishing and selling your game, but in the long run, if the industry oversteers towards subscription models and actual sales become more and more negligible, devs and publishers are not going to be happy and they will, as it's happening in the music industry right now, look out for ways to reach the customer in another manner. So I think that's something to consider in the whole Gamepass/PSNow equation. It's not a simple situation, and exponential growth doesn't neccesarily mean staying power, particularly if, as it happens in the music industry, you mistreat the sources of the content that goes on to the services.
I will take Spotify as an example, since, as some of you might know, I stated it a couple of times, I work within the music industry as a mixing/sound engineer/producer and it's something I have some kind of direct knowledge of, by working with artists affected.
The money the creators/artists make out of these subscription models is absolutely ridiculous, Spotify pays between $0.00331 and $0.00437 per stream, and if I remember correctly, 70% of that goes to the publisher, which usually is not the artist itself. So, this begs the question: even if successful in the eyes of the general public, for how long is it sustainable for artists before they realize other ways to share their music/content that works better for them when it comes to monetization? Sure, consumers won't care about this fact, but artists got to make a living, and while right now a lot of them rely on making it on the road, well, 2020 had a surprise for them all. I know quite a lot of bands struggling right now, trying their luck by doing live-streamed concerts with fairly low priced "tickets" and guess what? That's working quite well for some of them. They take a higher cut of the pie, and they're starting to reconsider their usual business model.
Now, obviously this might not be something that affects big artists that are supported by huge record company deals, but those kind of artists are an absolute minority in the industry. I can assure you that, a lot of artists/bands that you might think are big and have a big deal going on with some record company, they probably are not in that situation. And again, given that 2020 has left them without their number one source of income, they're looking for other strategies and realizing that a more direct approach, cutting out the middleman as much as they can, it's working for them.
I'm not saying with this that Spotify or services like that will disappear, that would be disingenuous, but surely artists are going to find ways to bypass them and offer more compelling content to the consumer in another manner that creates a win-win situation for both parties, leading to something I feel would be better and more fair to both artist and consumer.
To extrapolate this to the Gamepass/PSNow situation, first of all I gotta admit that I don't know how much publishers and devs get back from being on those services, but going by what I know with Spotify, it's very likely not enough. So yeah, I guess the deal upfront may seem positive, the reach you potentially have is bigger than what you could have by simply publishing and selling your game, but in the long run, if the industry oversteers towards subscription models and actual sales become more and more negligible, devs and publishers are not going to be happy and they will, as it's happening in the music industry right now, look out for ways to reach the customer in another manner. So I think that's something to consider in the whole Gamepass/PSNow equation. It's not a simple situation, and exponential growth doesn't neccesarily mean staying power, particularly if, as it happens in the music industry, you mistreat the sources of the content that goes on to the services.
I know, I know, that fucking wall of text.
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sircaw
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Its crazy people want to splash out all that cash just to see an extra few blades of grass, that's if the game developers even decide to bother with that console, they might just put all their effort in the most popular console instead.
The dual sense is a true next-generation experience, people are going to miss out on one of the best innovations.. WHY.
Madness.
BGs
Industry Professional
I have not seen the video and I am not really interested in its content, I have searched for a comparative visual example of two images quickly in Google from the smartphone and it is the example that I have put as a plausible comparison. In parentheses I have already said that you only had to look at the preview image of the video and not at the video itself.
zaitsu
Banned
Of course you can eat 3KG potatoes over a steak. It means you just dont have good taste and respect for yourself.
CrysisFreak
Banned
Whatever just let them maybe they like the supposed resolution bump or something lmao.
Btw can anyone tell me if I buy Valhalla Gold Edition on PS4 digitally do I get the same thang on PS5 yeah?
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