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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Garani

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So, you can't steal your $500 XBox, that you can't hide even if you want to, but a $200+ drive that you can put into your pocket is right there for the taking.

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Better not be just the Astrobot game. We already seen that with Geoff.

Deal with it: it's going to be Astrobot only :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Neo Blaster

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How?

Let's set up a scenario. Sony allows the DS4 to work for all games, since they enable games to fall-back to legacy rumble if DualSense isn't detected, while presenting a warning to the player "Warning: Legacy controller discovered. Some features may be disabled or downgraded."

It doesn't hurt the games, since they play as-is for those with the next-gen controllers.
It doesn't hurt the devs, since there's no extra work for them.
It doesn't hurt the players, since they can still play their games without shelling out $70 for additional controllers for their buddies.
If a dev is designing their game around haptic feedback features, so they're part of the gameplay, how supporting a legacy controller is not extra work for them and not hurting the game? They would have to redesign all gameplay to support DS4.
 

ksdixon

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Are you broke XBots actually complaining about last gen controllers not moving forward?

PS5 controllers actually have new features in them. Not just a generation-late copied share button for a dead Mixer platform.

We might not like it, but we understand why it's happening, to make sure new features are used by as many devs as possible. Since, ya know, lazy multiplat devs likely won't use them, because ya know, XB holding back the industry again.

Instead of faking outrage against Sony about controllers, go demand some actual games off Uncle Phill. Pathetic asses.

Edit: Banned from this thread for this post. Ok. Just get annoyed with fake outrage all the time thrown at Sony for anything and everything. Like controllers for God's sake. If even 1/10th of that effort went to pressuring Phill for current-gen XB games, then y'all wouldn't have as much free time to troll Sony, you'd be happy playing XB exclusive games. Which is largely how Sony fans view XB anyway.
 
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Notice my 3 examples? Heres everything I could find captured on Series X besides back compat. Obviously Minecraft & Gears are old, but they are sorta new demos.

It'd be like if all we had captured on PS5 so far was Bugsnax, Uncharted 4 port at 4K60, and a Dreams demo w/ RT.









Microsoft just needs to have their Demon Souls / Ratchett moment. They just need games that will make people turn their heads and say "that's what next gen looks like". I'm sure they are coming but I'm not sure when we will see them.
 
I thought the same thing. So far, everything else shown gave me the impression that it was like the first Destiny, and the story would be kind of secondary to the loot and gameplay. It's almost like they showed off all of the trailers in reverse of what they should have.

Well the first trailers were poor. The 15 minute PC gamer showcase was not great. How it looks now till now on PC is crazy. The dual sense will be interesting with that game.

The head to head comparisons PC vs PS5 will be popcorn watch.
 

kyliethicc

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Microsoft just needs to have their Demon Souls / Ratchett moment. They just need games that will make people turn their heads and say "that's what next gen looks like". I'm sure they are coming but I'm not sure when we will see them.
Long after the console is shipped and sold to customers. Its like Game Pass, you pay now for the promise of what is to come.
 

sircaw

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Just a quick update on @bo_hazam.

He is back tomorrow and wants to assure everyone that he is done with Waring. The line i spoke to him on had a lot of static on it so the word could of been whoring, so just keep that in mind. "lollipop_disappointed:

He has been learning Japenese none stop for the last week, no idea why, but he said it's important

Remember
Fish rule
xxxx.
 
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Just a quick update on @bo_hazam.

He is back tomorrow and wants to assure everyone that he is done with Waring. The line i spoke to him on had a lot of static on it so the world could of been whoring, so just keep that in mind. "lollipop_disappointed:

He has been learning Japenese none stop for the last week, no idea why, but he said it's important

Remember
Fish rule
xxxx.
He is planning to date an underage, big titty anime girl
 

Vae_Victis

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Notice my 3 examples? Heres everything I could find captured on Series X besides back compat. Obviously Minecraft & Gears are old, but they are sorta new demos.

It'd be like if all we had captured on PS5 so far was Bugsnax, Uncharted 4 port at 4K60, and a Dreams demo w/ RT.








Haven is a cross-gen game, it also releases on PS4 (apart from being obviously not demanding at all on a technical level).

I think literally the only game that is coming out on XSX in 2020 and isn't also on current gen console is The Medium. Even though it's possible that some cross-gen AAA games like Assassin's Creed will actually push the new consoles a bit more than just playing a current gen game at double the framerate and resolution.
 

Mahavastu

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Then the question is, why did MS take so long to get their dev kits out?
I thought about this for a while, and my guess is simply "time".
Both teams have limited resources for developing their hardware. The PS4 Pro (and PSVR) were released about a year before the XBox One X, which means that the Playstation team could start full steam earlier.
The PS4Pro is very similar to the OG PS4 (doubling the amount CUs, add some features from the newer AMD chips), while the XBox One X is very different to the OG XBox (the ESRAM was dumped, going from DDR3 to GDDR, way more and more modern CUs, way higher clockspeeds then Sony with same manufacturing and a lot of other things I currently do not remember which are quite challenging. I expect that Playstation could put some of its teams to the PS5 development very early on, while Microsoft had to put a lot of resources to the XBox One X development.

This are just guesses of course, but they could explain that Playstation devs got their DevKits quite early. I think first rumours appeared in early 2018 (just a few months after XOX release), and we heard about problems with them getting too hot and too loud. But Playstation had a lot of time to fix these problems and could send stable devkits hardware way earlier to devs then XBox.
 

kyliethicc

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Haven is a cross-gen game, it also releases on PS4 (apart from being obviously not demanding at all on a technical level).

I think literally the only game that is coming out on XSX in 2020 and isn't also on current gen console is The Medium. Even though it's possible that some cross-gen AAA games like Assassin's Creed will actually push the new consoles a bit more than just playing a current gen game at double the framerate and resolution.
And yet we haven't seen The Medium footage captured on XSX yet. Weird. Or AC Vikings either. What's Ubisoft waiting for?
 
Nice thread from William Salyers (Octavius from Marvel's Spider-Man) about the Peter Parker face swap controversy:



His thread goes on for about 8 tweets explaining who he believes is the real Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Hint: It's not John Bubniak or Ben Jordan)

It's not Tom Holland, so it's bad anyways.
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IntentionalPun

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Based on the description, it is captured on series x

That's Gamespot writing that, and the video is from the Xbox Game Showcase, which had the warning about things running on PC.

That would be odd if the extended footage was XSX and the stuff shown in the Showcase was running on PC.

edit: On the bloober team channel they don't make the same claim:

 
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mckmas8808

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I thought about this for a while, and my guess is simply "time".
Both teams have limited resources for developing their hardware. The PS4 Pro (and PSVR) were released about a year before the XBox One X, which means that the Playstation team could start full steam earlier.
The PS4Pro is very similar to the OG PS4 (doubling the amount CUs, add some features from the newer AMD chips), while the XBox One X is very different to the OG XBox (the ESRAM was dumped, going from DDR3 to GDDR, way more and more modern CUs, way higher clockspeeds then Sony with same manufacturing and a lot of other things I currently do not remember which are quite challenging. I expect that Playstation could put some of its teams to the PS5 development very early on, while Microsoft had to put a lot of resources to the XBox One X development.

This are just guesses of course, but they could explain that Playstation devs got their DevKits quite early. I think first rumours appeared in early 2018 (just a few months after XOX release), and we heard about problems with them getting too hot and too loud. But Playstation had a lot of time to fix these problems and could send stable devkits hardware way earlier to devs then XBox.

"IF" you are correct, you goes to show how much the Xbox One X was a waste of time in my opinion. It didn't really move the needle much at all "AND" it could have potentially screwed them up on their next-gen console release too? I don't know, but looking back the XBX just seems so out of place.
 

Neo Blaster

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Hitman, RE8, and many others. Sony's play this time around was paying third-parties to show software only at their events, and they've done it on a wide scale.
Like MS have done for years on their E3 presentations? Were they paying 3rds to show footage only there too?

Or maybe it's just old marketing deal?
 
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mckmas8808

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LOL Tom Holland looks older than the new Peter, even if he is a bit baby faced. The new Peter doesn't look a day over 16 in the footage shown. Maybe in other scenes that's not the case.

Then you clearly haven't spent time with any guys that are college-aged.
 

hemo memo

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It's official folks, Mary Jane is a pedo.

It's not super important to me, but I think the original look fits the mid 20s vibe I get from the character/story. Peter being 16 kind of makes the Miles story funny.

Do you think this is more of a Marvel/Sony Pictures decision seeing how big the first game became? Because it doesn’t make sense to go from good to bad. He looks like a 16 years old.
 

reksveks

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I just watched the trailer and it doesn't say its running on XSX. Weird. But if so... its not exactly impressing me with its 12 Tflops.
The video doesn't say it but description does.

If it's actually rendering two worlds at the same time and not doing a loading trick, it could be impressive technically. Might be overkill for some people until it effects the gameplay.
 

ethomaz

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Do you think this is more of a Marvel/Sony Pictures decision seeing how big the first game became? Because it doesn’t make sense to go from good to bad. He looks like a 16 years old.
The new one face is way better than the old one.

If people not tell me I should never realize it was Peter Parker in the PS4 version... just a random scientist.
 
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Vae_Victis

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That's Gamespot writing that, and the video is from the Xbox Game Showcase, which had the warning about things running on PC.

That would be odd if the extended footage was XSX and the stuff shown in the Showcase was running on PC.

edit: On the bloober team channel they don't make the same claim:


I'm fairly certain when this came out it was written somewhere it was on PC, because people were looking for XSX gameplay everywhere after the Xbox Show but couldn't find it. I don't know if they changed the video description in the meantime, or if it was written in some press release on Bloober or Microsoft's website.

EDIT: if somebody really feels like it, they can dig back in this very thread to those days and they will probably find references to the video and the fact it was said it was captured on PC.
 
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The video doesn't say it but description does.

If it's actually rendering two worlds at the same time and not doing a loading trick, it could be impressive technically. Might be overkill for some people until it effects the gameplay.

The problem with that is that those two worlds are taking up resources like the ram for example. But then again I don't know if they could use the PS5s I/O and skip rendering the two worlds at once.

Basically unloading one world from ram and loading the other from the SSD while only keeping shared assets in the ram (like the character for example).

Edit: This is what I thought would be done before they confirmed the rendering of the two worlds.
 
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Notice my 3 examples? Heres everything I could find captured on Series X besides back compat. Obviously Minecraft & Gears are old, but they are sorta new demos.

It'd be like if all we had captured on PS5 so far was Bugsnax, Uncharted 4 port at 4K60, and a Dreams demo w/ RT.









Cernys GDC talk & UE5 demo. Sent them into hiding. Xbox engineers have been trying to replicate PS5 hardware features with software. Xbox will be relying on downscaled PC ports to work on XSX. Hence GDK crap.

I was convinced long ago XSX is a suped up 1x. It will do all current gen stuff well. But they ain't reaching Next gen level fidelity like demon souls. The I/O is in 17gb territory. XSX aint doing that. If xbox had the goods they would of flaunted it just like they do with quick resume,acquisitions ,etc. Xbox aint got the goods. They don't want to show footage because they have nothing to match PS5. They will just wait it out , Then show games later when gamers are locked into buys.

Better multiplat talk went out the window quick huh? One side will have RT whilst the other waits for a patch in an unknown time frame. Well at least there is 500 BC games to play for xbox guys..
 

IntentionalPun

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This is just dumb...there's probably no next-gen stuff published to the store yet for them to even download.

And beyond that most of what is coming is 3rd party...they aren't going to let some random YouTuber's play shit before release in beta.. nor would they deploy a beta to the store.
 
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Evilms

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~Better resolution on XOX, better texture on PRO...

And take into considereation the delta between those two in GPU (40%), CPU and RAM (4 gigs more)

Will be funny to see much more of that in PS5/XSX compariosions due XSS


1080p on PS4 / Pro / X
900p on XBO


60 fps with rares drops on Pro / X
40~45 fps on PS4
35~40 fps on XBO

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Dynamic 1080p on Pro & X according to VG Tech
 
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