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[hemo memo]

You are paying just $399 to 499 for a full fledged gaming system with ssd.
Please be mindful.

If you cant add extra ssd storage if need be, who is piss poor?

Would you please get out of your ass and stop defending a multibillion company over an obvious negative news like you are a fucking employee?

 

[EverydayBeast]

Imagine thinking 664GB isn’t enough

 

[Warnen]

Xbox already demonstrated their transfer solution. You can literally find it on YouTube.

and? said both

 

[longdi]

Would you please get out of your ass and stop defending a multibillion company over an obvious negative news like you are a fucking employee?

it is the hard truth though.
I even say the 800-1TB ssd inside these consoles are generous, especially a $399 PS5DE, totally pleasant surprise. Thanks Jim!

 

[I'm nobody]

Make a jumper from the dust on that telly yak

 

[Insane Metal]

Like I said... I expected <700.

 

[Bluemaster77]

it is the hard truth though.
I even say the 800-1TB ssd inside these consoles are generous, especially a $399 PS5DE, totally pleasant surprise. Thanks Jim!

You have to love yourself more than you Love sony. Please my good fellow.

 

[Godzilla Emu]

The only good thing about PS5 storage solution, you can add 2TB of fast nvme storage in a few months time

Whereas poor Series gamers are stuck at their 1TB, unless you constantly swap memory cards

Uh...What? The Xbox Series of consoles can store all games on a cheap, external USB 3.5 inch hard drive. Educate yourself.

 

[Warnen]

Imagine thinking 664GB isn’t enough

2 years of Cod what more do you need!

 

[Armorian]

SSD capacity is going to be the 'shitty jaguar cores' of gen 9.

It won't affect games in any way, just gamers LOL

3 Call of Duty games will fit on this thicc boi.

 

[The Hamburglar]

why bring series even into this thread? Is this thread about series? Lol

also, this is only for the Launch. Later on there will be bigger cards. And At least MS has a solution ready at launch so that anyone can get 2TB in total at launch.
How about Sony? Can you show me where and when I can buy a compatible drive for my PS5? 1TB is enough. Thanks. Would love to buy one actually.

You’re replying to the biggest Xboy, Xbox console warrior on the forum,he can’t help himself.

 

[Concern]

Well there it is.

The bad news just keeps on rolling out. Considering how expensive ssds will be, you're better off holding out a year or two, for a price drop.

And we haven't even had the embargo lifted for the Japanese youtubers.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Why is Ps5's SSD 825GB and not 1TB?

 

[blastprocessor]

Pretty terrible really let's be honest.

 

[BlackTron]

The only good thing about PS5 storage solution, you can add 2TB of fast nvme storage in a few months time

Whereas poor Series gamers are stuck at their 1TB, unless you constantly swap memory cards

Right, because when a Series owner inserts a 1TB memory card into the front of their console, what they will be saying is "Man, I wish this had the convenience of PS5 so I could open up the system and install a drive instead".

Also, one mistake you're making is that to swap memory cards "constantly", Xbox would need to have games.

 

[DavidGzz]

I only need space for the exclusives so this is fine.

 

[MrS]

Lower than I'd hoped. Looks like forking out for extra SSD space is going to be a necessity unless you want to do a monthly purge.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I’m generally a big Sony fan (and I think that actually makes me more likely to be critical), but I can’t help but to feel like they are repeating “arrogant Sony” again like with the PS3.

I’m all for SSDs. Hell, I’ll probably upgrade my MB in my PC just to take advantage of Gen 4 SSDs in the near future but I don’t think having a drive this fast will actually give them any sort of advantage over the Xbox ssd. Yeah it’s cool to have this blazing fast ssd that even PCs are just starting to get. But consoles are about compromising to get a reasonably priced box. I don’t think third parties are going to cater to the SSD to a point where you are actually getting the 2x benefit over the Xbox.

If the useable storage is true for both then as it stands now I’d rather have the extra ~200 GB then have speeds I can’t take advantage of in the majority of games.

And with the $200 price gave of that Samsung drive which should be compatible I’m not going to expand my storage, especially when the prospect of refresh consoles are still on the table.

 

[Dogman]

Why is Ps5's SSD 825GB and not 1TB?

The SSD uses a 12 channel interface, meaning 825 is the natural size for it. The next step up would be 1650gb

12 channel, 512Gib Nand Chip / channel

512 x 12 = 6,144 Gib = 768 GiB = 824.633720832‬ GB = 825GB

 

[Black_Stride]

The only good thing about PS5 storage solution, you can add 2TB of fast nvme storage in a few months time

Whereas poor Series gamers are stuck at their 1TB, unless you constantly swap memory cards

2TB Final Flash NVme?

Might as well just buy another PS5.

On a serious note....remember we can still transfer to HDD cold storage, it isnt that big a deal if you are willing to wait a few minutes to play that game that isnt good enough to be kept on your main storage.
So the 600GB is fine.....not idea but fine.

you do know that Sony will have to tell us if it’s supported or not right? You can’t just pop in any random storage solution, it’s not only about speed. Also about size and Heat dissipation etc.

I wouldn’t buy anything before Sony confirms that it will work otherwise you might waste your money.

They will have a min speed limit and thats it.

All 2280 NVmes are the same size (Physically), the PS5 can likely support smaller 2242 and 2230 too if any at the right speed show up.
And if you mean storage size.....1TB and 2TB are all but guaranteed to be allowed....unless you think Sony is going to say you need to have an SSD that 825GB for it to work in the PS5.

They were just waiting for final flash Gen4s to hit the market so they could actually tells us what min speed will be allowed to work.

Most of the final flash will have 6.5GB+ read speeds so they will all make the mark.
Sony isnt going to check and test every single SSD that gets produced....likely the system will just look at the controller and know if that controller allows speeds needed and allow it to run games or not.

Otherwise the System would need constant updates to "allow" newer SSDs and Controllers.


P.S

The 980 Pro is the more expensive Samsung Drive so that 220 price isnt going to refelct what normal people will buy....normal people will get the 980 Evo, smart people will buy something from Sabrent, SK Hynix or Adata.

 

[ManaByte]

2TB Final Flash NVme?

Might as well just buy another PS5.

On a serious note....remember we can still transfer to HDD cold storage, it isnt that big a deal if you are willing to wait a few minutes to play that game that isnt good enough to be kept on your main storage.
So the 600GB is fine.....not idea but fine.



They will have a min speed limit and thats it.

All 2280 NVmes are the same size (Physically), the PS5 can likely support smaller 2242 and 2230 too if any at the right speed show up.
And if you mean storage size.....1TB and 2TB are all but guaranteed to be allowed....unless you think Sony is going to say you need to have an SSD that 825GB for it to work in the PS5.

They were just waiting for final flash Gen4s to hit the market so they could actually tells us what min speed will be allowed to work.

Most of the final flash will have 6.5GB+ read speeds so they will all make the mark.
Sony isnt going to check and test every single SSD that gets produced....likely the system will just look at the controller and know if that controller allows speeds needed and allow it to run games or not.

Otherwise the System would need constant updates to "allow" newer SSDs and Controllers.


P.S

The 980 Pro is the more expensive Samsung Drive so that 220 price isnt going to refelct what normal people will buy....normal people will get the 980 Evo, smart people will buy something from Sabrent, SK Hynix or Adata.

Imagine the average idiot who keeps his PS4 on his shag carpet and has it filled with roaches and dust trying to plug this into their PS5's system board:

 

[hemo memo]

2TB Final Flash NVme?

Might as well just buy another PS5.

On a serious note....remember we can still transfer to HDD cold storage, it isnt that big a deal if you are willing to wait a few minutes to play that game that isnt good enough to be kept on your main storage.
So the 600GB is fine.....not idea but fine.



They will have a min speed limit and thats it.

All 2280 NVmes are the same size (Physically), the PS5 can likely support smaller 2242 and 2230 too if any at the right speed show up.
And if you mean storage size.....1TB and 2TB are all but guaranteed to be allowed....unless you think Sony is going to say you need to have an SSD that 825GB for it to work in the PS5.

They were just waiting for final flash Gen4s to hit the market so they could actually tells us what min speed will be allowed to work.

Most of the final flash will have 6.5GB+ read speeds so they will all make the mark.
Sony isnt going to check and test every single SSD that gets produced....likely the system will just look at the controller and know if that controller allows speeds needed and allow it to run games or not.

Otherwise the System would need constant updates to "allow" newer SSDs and Controllers.


P.S

The 980 Pro is the more expensive Samsung Drive so that 220 price isnt going to refelct what normal people will buy....normal people will get the 980 Evo, smart people will buy something from Sabrent, SK Hynix or Adata.

What about priority levels and the SSD to be faster to accommodate that?

 

[AphexTwunt]

If the SSD size is being dictated by the 12 lanes, will this restriction also apply to 3rd party drives?

 

[captainraincoat]

One of these bad boys set me back $400 aud......2tb will probably be more than the ps5

 

[Ulysses 31]

One of these bad boys set me back $400 aud......2tb will probably be more than the ps5

Waiting for Samsung to releases a 2TB Plus version or something with 7GB write.

 

[Goncas2]

It can hold one or two less next-gen games compared to the Series X.

Fortunately, the PS5 will have the more affordable storage expansion solutions in just 6 to 12 months.

 

[Breakage]

I think it's pretty clear some form of external storage is gonna be a must have sooner rather than later.

 

[Hayriko]

Like the vita, Sony Will find a way to sell their custom ssd seperately for a really high price

 

[chigstoke]

Imagine thinking 664GB isn’t enough

I'm going to assume you're baiting on that one.

IF 664GB for game storage ends up being the true figure, do you honestly think that is fine for a next gen system? When the XOX and PS4 Pro had more storage space in the end after OS, formatting etc...?

It's a pittance.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Like the vita, Sony Will find a way to sell their custom ssd seperately for a really high price

Seems MS are the ones who did that.

 

[ZywyPL]

So about 10-12 AA/AAA games, more than enough for most people.

 

[mr.dilya]

looks like ps3 interface.

 

[Black_Stride]

Imagine the average idiot who keeps his PS4 on his shag carpet and has it filled with roaches and dust trying to plug this into their PS5's system board:

Itll work.....they just wont be able to boot games from it.

What about priority levels and the SSD to be faster to accommodate that?

PCIE4 maxes out at 7GB.
So unless Sony just pulled a switcharooo on everyone and there literally will never be an SSD that can work in the PS5 except the one made by Sony thats actually using SonyExpress.....then 6 - 7GB read is going to be the minspeed Sony allows an SSD to be a game drive.

Final Flash Gen4 drives are now hitting the 6 - 7GB read speed limit of the standard.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

What about priority levels and the SSD to be faster to accommodate that?

What about them?

The 970 Pro is 7GB read

The cheaper 970 Evo should also be 7GB or just slightly slower

Edit - Meant 980 not 970

 

[PaintTinJr]

Why are you acting as if i know the actual price? I just threw out an estimate based on what i remember of the Xbox SSD price, i was a bit off. I'm not aware if the proprietary nature of the Xbox card makes it cost more to manufacture and sell, but it's safe to assume that a PS5 type SSD will either cost a little bit more, to a lot more. Are there even any PS5 compatible SSD's available yet that can match the spec and meet the requirements needed?

All that aside, we can all admit that both 600+ & 800+ gb's of storage is piss poor all in.

It isn't poor - at least on the PS5 solution as described in Road to PS5 by Cerny - if reducing data redundancy by a factor of x2-x4 is reducing storage requirements on AAA games.

The proprietary nature of the Series S|X solution is because the plugin drive doesn't provide its own cache, so generic USB3.0 ssd solutions on Series S|X interface differently, hence why only BC games are supported on the USB solution. Cacheless should be more profitable, easier to fight piracy, but harder to keep cool, which might also be reason for the high proprietary SSD prices.

On PS5, an expandable nvme option will probably offer additional storage for all software for whitelisted drives, and just cold storage space -like a usb drive option - for non-whitelisted drives. But it is expected that even mechanical HDDs (via usb) will be able to provide slow cold storage too - in the normal JBOD mode that consoles as far back as the 360/wiiU supported.

It appears the PS5's internal storage is premium and sized accordingly to store just what you need for what you are playing at the time, with games hopefully being about 20GB at install. The question is whether this is the same setup for both consoles, and how cost effective and performance effective transferring from cold storage will be for each. IMHO early BC tests on Series S|X suggest it is costly and not that quick. Whether the PS5 has the same performance will be the real question, because it's costs will be lower in the long run by avoiding proprietary solutions.

I suspect the PS5 IO complex will be unravelling and removing data redundancy on BC games, so they do minimal wear on the internal drive and occupy minimal space, and provide at least the simple speed benefit(if not the extreme benefit) of the IO complex that Cerny described in the Road to PS5.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Sony fanboys up in arms with less space than xbox and slower booting that xbox as well it seems....dayum.

 

[Black_Stride]

What about them?

The 970 Pro is 7GB read

The cheaper 970 Evo should also be 7GB or just slightly slower

980

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I'm going to assume you're baiting on that one.

IF 664GB for game storage ends up being the true figure, do you honestly think that is fine for a next gen system? When the XOX and PS4 Pro had more storage space in the end after OS, formatting etc...?

It's a pittance.

I'll take the next-gen tech over storage capacity

Especially since most people including myself actually delete games when they're finished and don't horde them on their system

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

980

Right yeah thanks

 

[longdi]

I'll take the next-gen tech over storage capacity

Especially since most people including myself actually delete games when they're finished and don't horde them on their system

Yes stop whinning, delete games, move over to external hdd or buy add on ssd.

Im still shock and grateful the next gen consoles all have ssd and starts at $399 to $499.

Thank lord Spencer and Jim

 

[Journey]

Plenty of space by the sound of things.

Ok Craig

 

[Musky_Cheese]

That is a very balanced number

 

[HeresJohnny]

I'm thinking I may just wait for a revision. That seems to be what the industry rewards people for doing: better library, cheaper hardware, cheaper games, more complete games, less bugs, better features. I've been an early adopter my whole life, but I gotta say, waiting looks real attractive.

 

[Hayriko]

Seems MS are the ones who did that.

Oh yeah they beat them, ms won

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Ok Craig

There is no need to be....happy.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

you do know that Sony will have to tell us if it’s supported or not right? You can’t just pop in any random storage solution, it’s not only about speed. Also about size and Heat dissipation etc.

I wouldn’t buy anything before Sony confirms that it will work otherwise you might waste your money.

Right, Cerny said we shouldn't buy a storage before they confirm. He said this could happen as late as post launch.

 

[Andodalf]

Even though games have to be downloaded either way, a digital console with 660 GB in 2020 is a bit of a yikes

 

[Aguero9320]

Yes stop whinning, delete games, move over to external hdd or buy add on ssd.

Im still shock and grateful the next gen consoles all have ssd and starts at $399 to $499.

Thank lord Spencer and Jim

I’m totally okay with what you say about moving games back and forth, but I don’t think it’s whining to complain about this... I’d rather pay more for a better solution - it’s precisely the whining about (and subsequent celebrating as above) about the price that has ended us up in this unfortunate situation.

For comparison, it’s like if they only sold an amazing but really small frying pan that could only cook bacon one piece at a time - no one would say ‘stop whining, cook bacon one piece at a time and keep the rest warm!’. Gamers are weird (as was my analogy )

 

[Fuz]

2GB short.

 

[longdi]

I’m totally okay with what you say about moving games back and forth, but I don’t think it’s whining to complain about this... I’d rather pay more for a better solution - it’s precisely the whining about (and subsequent celebrating as above) about the price that has ended us up in this unfortunate situation.

For comparison, it’s like if they only sold an amazing but really small frying pan that could only cook bacon one piece at a time - no one would say ‘stop whining, cook bacon one piece at a time and keep the rest warm!’. Gamers are weird (as was my analogy )

Thats what i said earlier, at least with PS5, the option for 2TB or more expansion is more readily available. Please pay more over there at Samsung or Corsair or WD.